Eagle eye Philip MOULD looks at a portrait far across a crowded room and says: "It's a TOM LAWRENCE" That's all the evidence I need. This is a fabulous episode. BRAVO 👏!!!
@persebra
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, great job Philip!!!
@lynnaliya1
3 күн бұрын
why would you give it away?!
@MrQbenDanny
Жыл бұрын
The Peniston portrait is magical. It has a Diamondtine crystal clear alive alertness, the eyes, and the standout lips in particular. Out of curiosity, I went to the Lawrence gallery and found that for Lawrence, lips were a very serious feature in his paintings. It's a masterpiece.
@acmebrainsurgery
Жыл бұрын
I knew and loved someone who looked very much like Peniston and so found this episode especially enjoyable.💗
@pjlewisful
Жыл бұрын
agreed
@CharlotteFairchild
Жыл бұрын
The sketch under the painting was not as beautiful. It makes me wonder if the young man was less appealing than his portrait?
@Roheryn100
Жыл бұрын
@@CharlotteFairchild If you watch Portrait Artist of the Year, you will see that the underlying work is not always flattering to the sitter. Nor does it need to be.
@CharlotteFairchild
Жыл бұрын
@@Roheryn100 the x-ray of the portrait was not flattering in the work under the paint, right?
@borge2014
Жыл бұрын
Gorgeous portrait. This show never disappoints.
@CharlotteFairchild
Жыл бұрын
I am disappointed that a woman artist was not valued in her time nor in our time. Was her art less than inspired, this woman who showed 30 times in the Royal Academy? Her art may be worth 8,000 pounds, but since it is rare, these evaluators discount her art as less than Lawrence, who was prolific, and today some would say over done since his art is around every corner. I am impressed that he did such meticulous art for a teacher and not only a patron. Where is the art that Cosway did for the family as they were such good friends?
@dorotapogubila4427
Жыл бұрын
I find that there is resemblance between gentleman in the portrait and descendants. 2 million would put smile on my face too. Fascinating.
@FavoriteThemeSong
Жыл бұрын
What an amazing journey. Bravo to Philip Mould and congratulations to the family.
@josephpetrino1741
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for spoiling it.
@FavoriteThemeSong
Жыл бұрын
@@josephpetrino1741 if you don’t want to know, you’re not supposed to read the comments first lol.
@lovingmayberry307
Жыл бұрын
I have to say I agreed with Phillip from the start. The hair and scarf were so much like Lawrence, and i found Cosway's portraits to be much less mature. Great episode!
@Dr10Jeeps
Жыл бұрын
What a gripping show! Fake or Fortune always delivers an artistic thriller.
@katmandudawn8417
Жыл бұрын
The Caroline Lamb mentioned in connection with the painting was the erratic and infamous one who pursued Lord Byron. Her husband, Peniston’s brother , seemed to have put up with a lot but been very good to her despite all her antics.
@justkiddin84
Жыл бұрын
Ooo! Thanks for that! Things always get spicy when Byron enters the room!😂
@CharlotteFairchild
Жыл бұрын
@@justkiddin84 I am sure her husband, Peniston's brother, never pursued anyone? Oh, the Dangerous Liaisons.
@saltinawenchito898
Жыл бұрын
I love reading about the naughty elites from the past! I care nothing for the Kardashians but I am obsessed with researching the Mitford sisters. Lord Byron and his group of buddies are eternally fascinating.
@katmandudawn8417
Жыл бұрын
@@saltinawenchito898 Caro Lamb was mockingly nicknamed “Silence” by the Ton. Apparently, she was very voluble and prattled incessantly. She ruined herself with her pursuit of Byron but her husband stood by her. I think she may have been bi polar or something.
@CharlotteFairchild
Жыл бұрын
@@saltinawenchito898 Do you read his poetry as well? Lord Byron's poetry?
@time4clocks
Жыл бұрын
What a delightful show. My first time seeing this. Not really an art fan per se but found the whole episode riveting and insightful. Thank you! 🌷🌷
@katharper655
Жыл бұрын
How Lovely to have the Delightful Cedric bless us with his Handsome Self! Thank you, Philip!
@brahmburgers
Жыл бұрын
Another great chapter. Fully entertaining and educational. It also had me thinking how brief each life is, even if lived into one's eighties (I just turned 71). A reminder to live each day to its fullest.
@malcolmscrivener8750
Жыл бұрын
Why not read your Bible and find out how to make peace with Almighty God , your creator ? I’m turning 69 soon and believe me , although life is great now , I can’t wait until the Lord calls me home to be with Him , and His family in heaven , forever .
@susanmercurio1060
11 ай бұрын
I'm 77 and I'm thinking about this more.
@susanmercurio1060
11 ай бұрын
@@malcolmscrivener8750I don't share your religion, but I agree with your ideas. When Patrick Swayze(?) was dying of pancreatic cancer, his fans kept telling him to "fight on." I thought that they should have encouraged him to accept his death and make peace with his maker.
@malcolmscrivener8750
11 ай бұрын
@@susanmercurio1060 I’m with you on that , for sure Susan . And not only Patrick , but everyone !
@malcolmscrivener8750
11 ай бұрын
@@susanmercurio1060 The Boy Scouts motto “ Be Prepared “ is a good one to embrace for life , and also for ones own death . The Bible is the oldest book in the world , and explains where we came from , why we are here , and what happens to us after we die . There is wisdom for us in it , and it shows us the way to salvation and eternal happiness with the Lord God Almighty , our Creator . Susan , if you read your Bible , be sure to simply ask the Lord to bless you and guide you into the truth and knowledge of Himself . You can speak to Him aloud or quietly in your heart , and He promises He will never turn away anyone who seeks Him sincerely .
@marvellousmarvin
Жыл бұрын
I’m so enjoying the history of these paintings. I’ve always been a bit of a dreamer with regards to the past 😊
@bessofhardwick9311
Жыл бұрын
A really interesting documentary and a beautiful portrait. Thanks for uploading :)
@silverymoon5516
11 ай бұрын
Listening to you describe the artwork is a verbal masterpiece for my ears. I have an even greater appreciation for the piece after hearing your description of it. Thank-you
@darlene2662
Жыл бұрын
Bravo! Guys you did a great job uncovering the true origins of this painting! Philip you really do have a keen eye for portrait details! Both of you are excellent sleuths! This show never disappoints. 👏🏼
@staceyduncanbts486
Жыл бұрын
What an exciting mystery and an exciting conclusion. The clues were very compelling.
@RS-bn9rx
Жыл бұрын
Splendid work.. I am enthralled by the investigation
@Schlei602
Жыл бұрын
It's a Lawrence, definitely....the style! I write this long before the video has finished.
@monkeygraborange
Жыл бұрын
Having spent the past 42 years working in the art world, I have said on countless occasions that a world of bother could easily be avoided if only artists bothered to sign their goddamned work!
@rosehawke2577
Жыл бұрын
I was an Art Studio major at college (the only major that didn't require any math,) way back in the early 80's and we were taught *not* to sign. I don't remember exactly why. I didn't sign my pieces for class, but I always signed my pieces otherwise.
@alanlawrence2954
Жыл бұрын
I worked for a Bond Street gallery in my youth. A senior buyer said to me... If a painting has not got a signature, it might be a fake... If it has a signature, it's definitely a fake.
@CharlotteFairchild
Жыл бұрын
Florence Seymour signed with an exotic name or a man’s name to command more money.
@sharongaristo9759
Жыл бұрын
Please stop the blasphemy, how would you like someone saying that about your father.
@caittails
Жыл бұрын
@@sharongaristo9759 Lol go touch grass.
@KGTiberius
Жыл бұрын
Genealogy, validation, certification… love genuine research.
@diahannkanich1747
Жыл бұрын
I love all the shows, but especially this one. He was and is beautiful....
@v.g.r.l.4072
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful research and entertainment! Thank you.
@grokeffer6226
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff. Good job. 🎨🖌
@marvellousmarvin
Жыл бұрын
I love watching this type of content. 👍
@judyjudy51
Жыл бұрын
Love the red velvet coat from the late 18th century. And the portrait.
@kyleanuar9090
Жыл бұрын
Obvious difference in stylistics between the two artists.
@Roheryn100
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Cosway was competent but conventional.Lawrence was a firecracker from the start.
@samanthasmith61
Жыл бұрын
@@Roheryn100 Cosway was boring, Lawrence was genius
@marlenekingdon482
Жыл бұрын
Such a marvellous painting. 😊
@Lambert7785
Жыл бұрын
just a marvelous story of an excellent investigation :)
@hannawagenknecht6378
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful documentary,thank you!
@maryjordan7649
Жыл бұрын
Portrait art of the last centuries tell us so much. This was very informative...I didn't know the amount of portraits done by Sir Thomas was so large. I always thought Moriah Cosway painted miniatures. It's not surprising this young man died young. Tb was a very communicable disease in the 19th and 20th centuries. My own great aunt spent time in a tb sanatorium. Good film on painting and related history.
@dmarcouxbeatty374
Жыл бұрын
My parents were Diplomatic during the Cold War Era. In 1965, we lived in New Delhi. My father's houseman was a Nepalese Gurkha. His name was Charlie, and the whole family adored him! He was very small, reed thin, and looked old enough to have babysat God. He had a wonderful, wise face. My parents commissioned an artist to do an oil portrait of him. My brother and I watched it being done. This portrait has had an honourable place in my parents' home right up to their passing. All of us said good morning, goodnight. As we walked out the door. We said. We're off Charlie. Watch the house. Coming in. Hey Charlie, we're home. I have Charlie's portrait now. My parents' urn sits on a table under it. My parents passed 2 weeks about. I was with them both. I cleared the house. I hand carried their urn to my home. It was not until I was looking at Charlie in my home that their deaths really hit me. As I said, my brother and I watched the artist. I was 5/6, my brother is 5 years older. We didn't care who the guy was. He used a trawl, not a brush. It was cool! We would like to know now. We would like to know if it needs to be cleaned. It will never ever be sold! To us it is priceless. I live in Europe. I have no idea who to ask. Not to mention trust! Can anyone give me any idea's? I would appreciate it. Thank you.
@Jigger2361
Жыл бұрын
...great to see Cedric again!
@dollimelaine
Жыл бұрын
riveting...loved this episode.
@deborahdavis6801
Жыл бұрын
Congrats to Phillip again for his keen eye and extensive knowledge!!!
@Brutally-Honest
Жыл бұрын
One of the best of the series, I truly enjoyed the ride to find the truth. Lovely, truly lovely. THANK YOU
@glennpenrose5646
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic episode. Thank you.
@craigbarron3706
Жыл бұрын
To believe that it was by anyone other than Lawrence is farcical!!.....I watched this episode, and 5 minutes in, I could see the obvious difference in technical skill between this painting and Cosway's featured examples......Totally different renditions of skill.....I watched the episode to the end, but I knew what the outcome would be!!
@deansparks6753
11 ай бұрын
I enjoy this show very much. Thank you!
@robinbohn7478
Жыл бұрын
my favorite episode yet, good job
@grandidea2085
Жыл бұрын
Cosway has a cartoonish bent to her faces. The portrait doesn't. I would have thought it was a Lawrence too!
@dgcaz1
Жыл бұрын
The clouds did it for me. Lawrence always did sultry simmering skies. They always look as if a torrent could burst forth at any moment.
@terrybuckwalter2340
11 ай бұрын
What a joy to watch this beautiful presentation of art history!
@islandkatgranbyridgestudio
Жыл бұрын
Excellent episode Going to do a deep dive on Lawrence, the ability to just catch that moment in the painting is jaw dropping
@StarSwarm.
Жыл бұрын
48:37 This is some Sixth Sense level goose bumps right here! Wow! What a fantastic episode!
@couchphotography8861
Жыл бұрын
Just loved all the twists and turns in this, brilliant sleuthing! But the two pictures featured at the end of Pen? To which one was Emily referring in her handwritten book, the one with the red coat, or the subject of this investigation? Presumably both were by Laurence...
@angelabby2379
Жыл бұрын
very likely this one lol, because the other painting looked far more depressing. and the other clue was this was the painting given to the tutor and the tutor gave back this painting on his death to the family, hence once again hung in the house.
@angelabby2379
11 ай бұрын
and both record was kept in Melbourne hall, the record that the teacher gave it back and probably hung back at Melbourne hall and then Emily requested the same painting from Melbourne hall to be transferred to brocket hall. we knew the painting at Melbourne Hall was the younger painting that was bequeathed back because it was painted when he just finished Eton
@cyndeewenzel6439
11 ай бұрын
Wow! Great show I've never seen it before! I personally love the painting and Pennistone! He died so young. It's nice to think that a part of him still remains in this beautiful portrait.
@MCBRUCE76
6 ай бұрын
Philip Mould has an eye to immediately spot out unique qualities and characteristics in any art, which normal people can't do.
@chrisrea7347
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I get. enormous pleasure from your episodes!! Wonderful detective work to find that it was by Lawerence.
@debl9957
11 ай бұрын
I 've just found this show on YT and really enjoy watching!!
@suaimhneas123
11 ай бұрын
FABULOUS - thank you for posting this - just wonderful - it's actually moved me to tears.
@costrow3100
Жыл бұрын
It appears Cosway was influenced by Vigee LeBrun. Cosway’s self portrait looks quite a bit like LeBrun’s. I don’t know if the women ever met but they had to see each others art. Cosway was born 5 years after LeBrun. They were contemporaries albeit from different countries. They both used hats as props for female sitters including LeBrun’s paintings of Marie Antoinette. Perhaps the value of Cosway’s paintings should be reassessed.
@juliadagnall5816
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t know the artists had a connection, but I thought of LeBrun while watching this because I saw a documentary on her a little while ago and they mentioned that most of her surviving works are in very good condition because she was very particular about the pigments she chose and how she prepared her paints. I have a real respect for artists who take the trouble to understand their medium and how to make the best of it.
@sinclairlanier4081
Жыл бұрын
Such a beautiful work of art! It glows!
@KOOLBadger
25 күн бұрын
Ladies and gentlemen, I love this channel!😊
@alexrichardson9125
Жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thank you.
@lwaliz
Жыл бұрын
Great episode!
@normanmerrill1241
Жыл бұрын
Completely taken by your presentation and the story…another smashing show…well done…stay safe..
@sylviekoenig9960
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating story of a magnificent portrait
@guiart4728
Жыл бұрын
Good on Phillip! As an artist and not a historian I could not pick out the painting as a Lawrence but I knew at the beginning as soon as I saw the two examples that it wasn’t a Cosway.
@paulabibb1116
Жыл бұрын
I have never seen this portrait. She is a somewhat distant relative. Lovely...
@stephaniemontor1567
Жыл бұрын
A great episode to learn about 2 wonderful artists!
@ozquinn5348
Жыл бұрын
I've been watching for 2 weeks quite enjoyable wish you great success from Fresno California ❤❤❤ Oz.
@bethbartlett5692
Жыл бұрын
I suspect Peter underestimated the value of this portrait, for the renowned Lawrence Art Experts, without hesitation, compared it to the Portrait of Queen Charlotte in the National Gallery, and in the same era, 1790. I would expect the portrait, in a friendly market, would actually fetch 2 Million Pounds. What's more overtly amazing in this video, is the Human Mind, specifically our Lower Mind aka Ego Mind, which is the keeper of our learned idea, thus the "Social Mentality", and how observably evident the right points make sway to our *perspective ". ... but then, that's my more experienced "gig". Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian
@Satu-zs7gm
10 ай бұрын
oh yes! this painting is so beautiful too it def can fetch more than 500k. Lawrence's more stunning painting always fetch more. he did mentioned that Lady Selina meade painting fetch 2 million, her brother's painting while beautiful didn't have the same color and beauty sold for 600k
@julieisthatart
Жыл бұрын
I wish more had been said about the older version of his face that showed in the forensic photos. It made me wonder if perhaps the younger prettier face was a paint over so that both artists actually were involved?
@justkiddin84
Жыл бұрын
No, it was just Lawrence evolving the paintings-if you look at Queen Charlotte (a beauty, she was) there is some transitioning also. Perhaps she saw that first (and more truthful) version and that’s why she wouldn’t sit for him again. He prettied them up a bit, romanticized them. But he had to start with reality for it to favor them. Even though he was young man, drinking and smoking too much, maybe already having the TB, would have made him look a bit puffy and hungover.
@samanthasmith61
Жыл бұрын
@@justkiddin84 what? Queen Charlotte was famous for being homely and Lawrence painting depict her as she was, she was not a fan! she probably want a more beautify painting of herself more than usual I might add
@ISIO-George
11 ай бұрын
@@justkiddin84 It seems much more than evolving. If it was painted in early 1790s, when Penniston was an adult (or recently deceased?), it is as though he painted the subject as he knew him as an adult and then complete changed his mind and completely reworked the picture to a younger age. (To me, examples of evolving are changing a pose slightly, or making the dog at the feet of Blue Boy's disappear, not completely changing the age of the subject. JMO)
@RolandRittmaster
Ай бұрын
Awesome show !
@jamesbrien1944
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating detective work!
@christinedlgRGV
Жыл бұрын
At the very first look at a Cosway vs Lawrence... it was so obvious that Cosway was not the painter of the Lamb portrait. It was so incredibly obvious that the Cosway's style is not anywhere near Lawrence' ...
@sarahhudleston832
Жыл бұрын
Such a great episode!
@mikejohnson3247
Жыл бұрын
Very much Appreciate the Art Work an amazing pieces in this show an the divulging of the information and the details are extremely intriguing Thanks for sharing an Congratulation to Philip Mould and the Family of course
@GigiStar01
Жыл бұрын
Cedric is so well behaved and elegant!
@VernaSelander
Жыл бұрын
With the x-ray and that splash at the top right he might’ve been comparing colors
@Joedebengaluru
Жыл бұрын
The best who done it so far.
@terryt.1643
7 ай бұрын
It is a remarkable portrait, whoever painted it. Sad Lamb was a wastrel but he was dashing indeed. He would have made an impish god if Cosway painted him.
@kevinparkin3322
Жыл бұрын
Greg B: Your comment gave away the punchline before I watched the Mystery Video. THANKS ALOT.
@Karl-Benny
11 ай бұрын
watching this is as good as a intense Movie
@ellenmadsen7308
10 ай бұрын
Of course Mould has a whippet named Cedric!
@Crossword131
Жыл бұрын
Could we see more than just Georgiana as Diana for a portrait by Cosway? They compared with numerous other artists, but just one cartoonish example of Cosway.
@Satu-zs7gm
10 ай бұрын
so? it's pretty clear it's not cosway lmao.
@TheEudaemonicPlague
Жыл бұрын
Watching this is making me feel like getting my studio set up and doing some painting. Trouble is, the room is in a horrible mess and will require the sort of work that my bad back will complain about...it's already sat as is for ten years, and I can't even set up my drawing table.
@justkiddin84
Жыл бұрын
This sounds sadly familiar. Set a clock for half an hour a day, work your way in slowly. It will clear up faster than you think!
@mak7587
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure if you review cosways portrait style including the texture, that would definitely expose the artist.
@bythehandofbob
Жыл бұрын
Very sporting of the family, they want the painting to be worth 10% of what it could be potentially worth.
@chantalspruill774
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t know that women were painting and exhibiting their works during this time period. It’s not by Maria but her other work shown is fascinating.
@stevenseltzer3589
Жыл бұрын
That was cool.
@wandapease-gi8yo
Ай бұрын
The Lawrence has the Sam black splotches in the hair.
@emmettoransky5088
11 ай бұрын
What is the name of the background music that repeat plays??
@viz8746
Жыл бұрын
57:25 spitting image😃
@philmorton4590
Жыл бұрын
Why was this paint commissioned for his tutor? A friend, a mentor, family?
@Jude74
Жыл бұрын
What’s interesting is that the daughter will be the first of her family to inherit the picture from a father as opposed to the female line. I get the impression from what she was saying and the look on her face that when her parents are gone, so is that picture.
@lorisewsstuff1607
Жыл бұрын
I noticed her rolling her eyes. She just doesn't care at all.
@gregb6469
Жыл бұрын
If she doesn't appreciate the picture, better that it be sold into the hands of someone who does.
@Roheryn100
Жыл бұрын
@@lorisewsstuff1607 To be fair, there are security and insurance costs involved in owning a painting like this. Keeping it in a bank vault is not an option.
@Jude74
Жыл бұрын
@@Roheryn100 I agree. If the picture costs more money to keep then it should go.
@tracysalari5741
Жыл бұрын
Both sitters for lawrence alike, sitting facing both the same direction and rendered uncannily alike! And I can't even see it that well on my phone video!! To bad talented women were so ignored!
@acebaker3623
11 ай бұрын
So, what happened to the fourth portrait? The one that in the velvet coat? Was that actually a Cosway? Or someone else?
@Satu-zs7gm
2 ай бұрын
it's lawrence and sold to a museum
@leafpeeper98
11 ай бұрын
Would there possibly be invoice and payments to the airtist from the archives of the Marlborough/Lamb estate?
@muffin6369
Жыл бұрын
Anjelica Kaufman did a a beautiful portrait of Lady Bessborough Harriet.
@BrendaAnderson
6 ай бұрын
I can't be the only one who wonders if all the 'evidence' they gathered actually applies to other Lawrence portrait of Peniston done at the same time (and which conveniently isn't mentioned (and then, only in passing) until the last 10 minutes. I saw that *that one* sold at Christies in 1998 and the provenance was via Emily Lamb and also mentioned the book by that art history lady Boyle.
@Satu-zs7gm
2 ай бұрын
the explanation could be that there was 2 painting, one when he was fresh and one where he was a bit wasted. wasn't there an evidence that this fresh painting was given to the tutor to remember his student, then he did another sitting after some time with Lawrence again because presumably he still need a Lawrence painting in their several houses, as we know the tutor later died and he gave the painting back to the family, so no doubt there was now 2 painting of Lawrence in their house. The fashion etc also made sense, the first painting fashion seemed more young colourful also the evidence was on the painting themselves, this one was given to Viscountess Joselyn and then Earl Arran, so if the other painting have different provenance given to Emily's other descendants then it would make sense, because painting sometimes can go to different people especially if you have a lot of paintings of the same person. another evidence, Emily lamb said the painting that she crosses was done when Peniston and William were leaving eton, basically if they were still at Eton they can't be older than 18-19, this for sure work for the painting in which he looked younger here i found the red painting was "Presumably by inheritance through the sitter's sister Amelia, wife of Peter, 5th Earl Cowper, to Francis, 7th Earl Cowper, by whom bequeathed Panshanger and its contents to his niece Ethel, Lady Desborough (1867-1952), Panshanger, Hertfordshire, and by inheritance to her daughter The Hon. Lady Salmond (b. 1893), and by inheritance." yep it's another painting given to other descendants confirmed my theory
@sheilagibson982
Жыл бұрын
I had high tea at Fortum and Mason.
@Rebelartist83
11 ай бұрын
Even though I'm in the states I absolutely love this program and Phillip and miss Fiona and in general BBC shows tend to be more imaginative and smart and idk more engaging than U.S. shows our Tv isn't good anymore sadly..and as a artist myself with a mild degree of sucess .im not as prolific as when I was younger im in my 40s and had to switch to being a part time artist due to health and disabilities..so I dare say when I die my art will ever be on Roadshow or a show like this lol..but I always sign my art in the corner small and again on the back and date it..and I never sell them more than what I put into them and only to get my daily bread..lol but I admire the greats..and unheard of artists that were talented.. anyway great show and please excuse my lack of punctuation my eyesights isn't the best and take care and God bless and have a wonderful day and much love from Tx
@tomjoelberglind1924
Жыл бұрын
Well done by Phillip and Fiona 😊
@johnjacobs1625
11 ай бұрын
kool story
@1mmickk
Жыл бұрын
I can see why its attributed to the woman, as she can only paint one pair of eyes and she has done so repeatedly. Lets see where this goes. Edit Well well well. I have a theory, why was a much older and uglier Peniston painted over? how can this be? I think after his death it was redone to match the other one. Perhaps the family wanted another for one of their houses. I think the two shown have been mixed up with one another over the years.
@samanthasmith61
Жыл бұрын
coping mechanism I see well well! also you were WRONG
@CharlotteFairchild
Жыл бұрын
The Story of Art Without Men by Katy Hessel is a good investment for anyone interested in art.
@ChrisHyde537
Жыл бұрын
Cosway was obviously gifted and her portrait shows that she was also a robobabe.
@bima1234ful
Жыл бұрын
wonderful!! did they sell? if they did what amount did they get???
@Satu-zs7gm
2 ай бұрын
they haven't but at least 1 mill if it went under auction
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