It is a curious crappy alloy not found on the periodic table, only found in China...called Chinesium!
@SilverHeist
4 жыл бұрын
Number two failed the rotation test. 2:25
@vincentvictory7204
4 жыл бұрын
I think it fails based on looks alone
@magickiddscoincollecting4273
4 жыл бұрын
I agree e he missed that
@anthonyh7286
3 жыл бұрын
Also the letter U
@Michael-Philip
3 жыл бұрын
Why did he not mention this ??
@mistercomple7241
4 жыл бұрын
A little surprised you didn't mention the obv/rev orientation is wrong. The fake uses medal alignment and not coin alignment. Granted, some fakes will have the correct orientation so this is not a fool proof check (albeit an obvious one if wrong). Also, be careful using calipers in that fashion as you could easily get a false negative (or positive). You want the prongs of the calipers to be on the same plane as the coin and not perpendicular to it.
@JWsCoinsandHobbies
4 жыл бұрын
Shhhhhhhh, he didn't notice! hahahah
@papagiorgio5894
4 жыл бұрын
@@JWsCoinsandHobbies I noticed that right away and I was going to comment but I see someone did already. Speg, I'm surprised you missed that.
@JWsCoinsandHobbies
4 жыл бұрын
I don't truly believe he missed it. He's too good for that. I just think he's running a social experiment to see how many people will point it out.
@papagiorgio5894
4 жыл бұрын
@@JWsCoinsandHobbies Probably, but it's always fun to rib him about it. Nothing says lov'in like abuse from your own subscriber posse.
@formulafish1536
4 жыл бұрын
If it was Australian it would work, as our coins are flipped like that, rather than upside down obverse to reverse
@jeffreybutts1916
4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s #2! And why does China get away with this? Their dishonesty has gone too far
@mikesloothaak679
4 жыл бұрын
I have an aged mother, and she is constantly under threat by domestic scam artists of all sorts, the US phone companies know who they are, and sometimes even the local cops, but for some reason or other nothing is ever done. Corruption and rip-offs are a world-wide problem, but it isn't "China" that is being dishonest, just some criminals in China.
@ngantnier
4 жыл бұрын
@@mikesloothaak679 Sure, but it is China in that it is sanctioned by the Chinese government. Not the Chinese people, but their "communist" totalitarian regime. Tyrants shall fall, Sic semper tyrannis.
@sparcx86channel42
3 жыл бұрын
they say its replicas...
@Cougelly1999
2 жыл бұрын
I think it is either one or two, so that means it will be number three
@cliffordrandell735
2 жыл бұрын
We are being sold down the river to China by the Dems and the RINOs :(
@chrisfantasm3542
4 жыл бұрын
first hint : from China
@chipper6323
4 жыл бұрын
I bought one of these from China and when I received it, it was the size of a half dollar. I appealed to E-Bay and they refunded my money. God bless E-Bay.
@meteoman7958
4 жыл бұрын
Two points Speg, you didn't mention the medal orientation and when you used the calipers to measure the diameter, you should keep the calipers in the plane of the coin to catch the full width.
@4ninesfinesilver315
4 жыл бұрын
When your face-to-face with the coins it’s fairly obvious but when you’re buying online it is extremely difficult until after you have received it by then it’s too late thanks for the video👍
@darthsilversith667
4 жыл бұрын
4nines Fine Often in situations like that.. they will take pictures of legit ones and then when people buy them, they mail the fakes.
@dijidal
4 жыл бұрын
Unless these fools used images of real Silver Eagles you could zoom in and see with a good eye or a real one to match it up with.
@dijidal
4 жыл бұрын
@@darthsilversith667 Never-go by the photo!
@darthsilversith667
4 жыл бұрын
mm ix I know.. I don’t buy online anyway. Not on sites like EBay anyway. If I have to resort to buying online, then I will buy from a large, reputable dealer.
@moekayse683
4 жыл бұрын
That's how scammers get you, you need silver bad, and you need it cheaper, never trust eBay, or pictures, trust the authorized dealers only who receive your coins directly from the mint.
@nephisilver3051
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't buy anything from China that minted in America that would be ridiculous
@oldschoolrr6077
4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with you. And the amount of fakes coming from Communist China are increasing. No collector, stacker or dealer should have anything to do with buying from there, for that matter.
@jimritzheimer7465
4 жыл бұрын
Lord Grime I agree, they need to pay for what they have done
@mlj1111
4 жыл бұрын
"Just the tip" That's what she said.
@rayk126
4 жыл бұрын
My dad bought counterfeit Chinese silver twice on Ebay. He has learned is lesson not to buy Chinese silver again. I heard that there are companies in China licensed by the government to produce Counterfeit American Silver coins.
@locostacks8243
4 жыл бұрын
Ray K he should also learn not to buy from eBay
@igibon8
3 жыл бұрын
Fake coins are from all over the world, right now the majority of fake coins are from Ebay’s venues. So I think EBay should take part of the blame, and not buying silver or gold merchandise from China if I were you.
@NicholasKon9
4 жыл бұрын
fastest way to test is to get a magnet and a ping test.
@sarahnewell3827
4 жыл бұрын
you dont ping proof coins :D
@NicholasKon9
4 жыл бұрын
@@sarahnewell3827 if it is not numismatics that is ok to ping.
@Silber47
4 жыл бұрын
Only from the eye 2 is visible...also the flipping (orientation) of the coin was very revealing! 😅😅😅 ⭐⭐⭐ Love the 'cutting'!!
@SilverRipples.
4 жыл бұрын
Speg #2 is as Real as any of the Kardashians....
@oregonstacker2878
4 жыл бұрын
This is what I like with my LCS shops and most pawn shops here in Oregon they test them! You can buy peace of mind.
@christofour217
4 жыл бұрын
If you look at the width the fake one will have a wider width.
@silvertaniwha1314
4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Speg. Lol that magnet was messing with your mic. Thank you for sharing
@williamsmith8333
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Speg and to Mark who willingly gave up his coin to educate others! But be aware that some people/dealers will be clever and buy coins from non-American counties then repack them in boxes/plastic and say they are legit.
@biskit7
4 жыл бұрын
It looks so small compared to the others, also you need to learn how to use calipers, you can't pick 2 random points like that...
@911VideoNews
4 жыл бұрын
The color on #1 seems really off
@idunnoalaska5071
3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s an enhanced proof with added sparkle.
@oahuhawaii2141
3 жыл бұрын
That's a reverse proof coin. It looks real. The details on the second coin is off. Plus, he flipped the coin along the x-axis and the tails (reverse side) is upside down. That's a dead giveaway for a fake: US coins flip in the horizontal axis; US medals and foreign coins (such as UK) flip in the vertical axis. The details of the third coin matches the first, so it is authentic, like the first.
@chesterjohnson8290
4 жыл бұрын
Good video Speg! I noticed the one in the middle looked a little “wavy” right away, and the surface looked plated. I bet if you rub your finger over the plated one & a real one they’ll feel different too, I notice that with karat gold jewelry vs. plated jewelry all the time. 👍👍👍
@cerealaugher
4 жыл бұрын
2:26 I already knew it was #2 before you flipped the coin, but when you flipped the coin, it just confirmed it for me.
@Ontario100
4 жыл бұрын
Destroy Fakes! Thanks!! 👍😃
@Jetmech145
4 жыл бұрын
#2 is the fake. The "U" is wrong. It does not have a tail.
@LordMugo
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. This is the first thing I noticed. The typeface overall is close but incorrect. The U is the easiest to spot. Also, the crossbars on the A's are too thin and the C narrows too much at the top and bottom. In general, the stokes are all wrong. On the real coin, the width of the letters is much more consistent.
@michaelladd7123
4 жыл бұрын
I for one am sick of China ripping off our coins and basically everything of value that’s American. Even Silver eagles are technically legal tender and it’s considered an act of war for a country to make counterfeit money from another country. The Chinese government doesn’t make them themselves.. but they sell permits for companies to make them and that’s just as bad. Our government needs to take the gloves off with China and pick our pride up off the floor!!
@7up835
4 жыл бұрын
I like your intro in the first minute it was excellent. I'd like to see the Clippers to the fake silver on display.👍
@samspade7753
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs to be aware that fakes such as this are being sold on e-bay all the time . Before you buy make sure to do a little review of the seller's information and their feedback.
@SM77785
4 жыл бұрын
It might be a good idea to never buy coins on ebay. No matter what.
@swmovan
4 жыл бұрын
@@SM77785 Buy from a reputable seller, & you should not have any problems.
@MeekSpirit1
4 жыл бұрын
Don't buy on eBay and the small sellers. Go to the reputable dealers, or buy from the Mint directly
@blitheringrando1410
Жыл бұрын
Great video, very educational, there's just one thing I noticed. When measuring with the calipers you should be aligning them with the coin longways, that way you know youre touching the furthest distance across. Of course you knew it was off before that anyway so it's of little importance.
@chadwolfeschledgelsteinhau9697
4 жыл бұрын
Number 2! The flip, gave it away
@senya7196
4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful coins. Great investment! Thanks for the review!
@silversteeler2851
4 жыл бұрын
2. Now going to watch the rest. I'm back...The diameter seemed smaller to me as soon as I saw it. Sort of impressed myself that i saw it so fast. Great video buddy. Thanks.
@tomfeldbruegge8744
4 жыл бұрын
From the start I thought #2 was fake. The diameter looked small. Great video thanks!
@nickoliver3223
4 жыл бұрын
1. It was smaller 2 it had a weird line down the right side of the back 3. When you flipped it around it was inverted.
@Ronb-en6bi
3 жыл бұрын
i knew the middle one was fake because of the lettering and the thickness and style of font it is... very easy to spot to any real collector
@jadenephrite
4 жыл бұрын
You should have also demonstrated the ping ringing sound test as you did on your Fake Morgan Silver Dollar from a flea market video.
@Spegtacular
4 жыл бұрын
There's several times I could do but there's no need to do every single test in every single video. That would get a little repetitive wouldn't it? When one or two of these tests are such a "nail in the coffee", we can generally stop there. After all, this is not a "how many tests can you do to test silver" video.
@silversax5697
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you and Mark, we all are a little wiser
@Mike215PA
4 жыл бұрын
Great video... EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS!!!
@ekummel
4 жыл бұрын
The give-away for me was that the obverse wasn't a flip over. American coins the back is upside down to the front.
@cupidfox9997
4 жыл бұрын
For me I was really lucky to find a silver dollar coin at work. And the customer used it at face value, and I asked my boss if I can trade it with my dollar and he said yes. And seeing your video it confirms that it's real, thank you!
@starbuckJeffNcoins
4 жыл бұрын
Number 2 cause of the way it flipped! Thanks for the info!
@MenGrowingTOWin
4 жыл бұрын
People are fed up with China and their ways. Honestly.
@Spegtacular
4 жыл бұрын
Never in my entire life have I said “I wish I got some stuff from China”
@dshiznit148
4 жыл бұрын
@@Spegtacular you my friend never bought a cheap chinese dirtbike
@justinakajc
3 жыл бұрын
My dog won’t stop barking after that door bell 🤣
@Spegtacular
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry.. but I’m not really ;)
@justinakajc
3 жыл бұрын
@@Spegtacular dont worry I replayed it about 5 times to bother her 😛
@michaeljohnson7103
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if someone else said this cause I have not read all the comments. But on a real silver eagle the head and the tail are inverted just like every U.S coin. On the Chinese fake the the head and the tail are both facing the same direction
@Mr.QuacktasticVR
4 жыл бұрын
I have never found a magnetic coin. . . Welcome to china boy😂🤣😂 another good video Speg!
@paul8158
4 жыл бұрын
One can do the "soundcheck" with silvercoins. Put it on a fingertip and hit it slightly with another coin. If it does a nice vibrating "pling" sound it is silver, if it does a kind of short "smack"-sound, than it's most likely fake. Silver, and gold also, "ring" like only eternal money can do!
@darkhorse6770
4 жыл бұрын
Ebay continues to allow these fakes to be sold into the market. I dont know how they get away with it...
@bco63d
4 жыл бұрын
dark horse Some of it might be that when a fake is discovered, as seen here, nothing is mentioned of the seller. That would be a great final step in educating dummies like myself. Let me see for myself what these sellers are doing and how they do it without spending money and then learn. Speg’s videos are very helpful.
@tindoortailgator
4 жыл бұрын
Don't Buy It Off Ebay - Dumbash
@larrysammobench4529
4 жыл бұрын
The fake ones reverse is upside down. When you flipped the coins at the beginning of the video, you shouldn't have had to rotate the center one. On U.S. Coins you only have to rotate them to orient the coin if you flip it left to right or right to left, not not top to bottom or bottom to top.
@vinhennessy3885
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Speg for this information.
@rickyhall7514
4 жыл бұрын
😂 I thought it was #1, until you flipped over #2.
@THEDRAGONBOOSTER8
4 жыл бұрын
Also when you flipped over.
@andreg3912
4 жыл бұрын
If you see them side by side you see immediately that the diameter of the 2nd "coin" is smaller. If you see it online it's possible so see the differences but it's much harder if you have a good fake.
@BrownStain_Silver
3 жыл бұрын
This video has me laughing. Either i'm becoming a coin expert (unlikely) or that is a horrible fake silver eagle.
@kking5652
4 жыл бұрын
#2, as soon as you said one was fake. Thank you for this.
@guyazbell7437
4 жыл бұрын
I only buy from JMBULLION or APMEX or ModernCoinMart
@mikesloothaak679
4 жыл бұрын
If I may: when you want to cut a notch into a coin like you do, I suggest you shove the coin as deep as you can into the cutter's jaws. You get much better leverage that way. Such would be better both for the tool and your hand, and probably reduce the chance of the coin going flying as well.
@MurrayHerts
4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that your nails are short and clean
@hillaryclinton2415
4 жыл бұрын
to determine proof of DENSITY ala Archimedes... precision weight, then using distilled water, see how much water it displaces. divide the volume by the weight and get a number for apparent density. compare that to silver. eureka
@rosebud3971
4 жыл бұрын
Very instructive, thanks! If you are an avid ASE collector, carry a real one in your pocket for comparison.
@dataexpunged2827
4 жыл бұрын
You can get really good deals on eBay, but NEVER buy premium silver or gold products off there.
@igibon8
3 жыл бұрын
I think some reputable US companies selling gold and silver coins also have shops set up on EBay. Just need to go to buy those coins from reputable sellers.
@goldmaple4360
4 жыл бұрын
I was right. I guess anybody could get fooled who was going on initial appearance. If you bought a lot of American Eagles then you would be able to tell the difference. . Lady Liberty on the coin is not as shiny or frosted. That was what was the dead giveaway which is why I chose coin 2.. The other thing was the stars on the flag draped around Lady Liberty. I noticed it was not clear on coin 2. However, to be sure it's not fake, it's a good idea to have a weighing machine and examine the fine details under a magnifying glass.
@oahuhawaii2141
3 жыл бұрын
The first coin is a reverse proof coin. It looks real. Its details match the third coin, but in reverse proof: field frosted, design elements mirror-like. The details on the second coin is off. Plus, he flipped the coin along the x-axis and the tails (reverse side) is upside down. That's a dead giveaway for a fake: US coins flip in the horizontal axis; US medals and foreign coins (such as UK) flip in the vertical axis. The details of the third coin matches the first, so it is authentic, like the first.
@marley20ful
4 жыл бұрын
Speg's, Nice video my friend. Good PSA. Hope you are well. Thanks for the Info! Cheers.
@2trips850
6 күн бұрын
Your red book does not list it, but thickness should be 3mm for genuine coins. Fakes are usually 3.5+mm.
@brandonburdette7547
4 жыл бұрын
I have bought Fake Pamp Sussies 1/2 gold on eBay. Even online with actual pictures doesn’t mean that what you will actually receive.
@DP-yr8vb
4 жыл бұрын
The centre one.... I got one from America to.. my friend bought it from Amazon :( such a bummer
@allanrscott
4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! So informative. Thanks bud!
@ronaldwells1805
4 жыл бұрын
Good job I like how you zoomed in on the camera and show the difference good job thanks
@ronaldwells1805
4 жыл бұрын
What size is that big magnet you have and where did you buy it
@provocanyon8564
4 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend the Sigma Metalytics precious metals verifier. I almost bought a 20g Gold bar from the Perth Mint in 'original' packaging but when I tried to verify it the Sigma determined that it was an undetermined metal plated with 24k gold. I did an internet search on these bars and found numerous high-quality Chinese fakes available. The seller claimed he had purchased it from APMEX and it was guaranteed by them. I did purchase a PAMP 1oz gold bar from this seller that passed the Sigma verification.
@davidcassidy5868
4 жыл бұрын
one other thing not pointed out was how noticeably further away the writing on the reverse was from the edge of the fake Eagle; most noticeable w/ the naked eye @ the "1oz FINE SILVER" area. Much easier to see IF You have a US Mint purchased Eagle to compare it to.
@JW52654
3 жыл бұрын
I knew right away it was the one in the middle, number 2. when you flipped it from the bottom the other side was not upright.
@kienhwengtai8113
3 жыл бұрын
So that's where all the Australian iron goes!
@erwincornel2650
4 жыл бұрын
I have the same fake coin. Keeping it for educational purposes. I was surprised on how great it look after I took a picture of it.
@tomatosnaps6250
4 жыл бұрын
I would check for contamination.
@christopherjordan9398
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. This helped me verify 11 fake Eagles.
@Spegtacular
3 жыл бұрын
Holy smokes 11? Where’d they come from?
@clintondemoss9805
4 жыл бұрын
Speg Tacular, I got burned on a 1893 CC Morgan dollar, let me know if you want to make a video on it and I will send it to you, had it checked out at my LCS.
@jasonparkes601
4 жыл бұрын
One use for fake coins is to have them on display as copies in your house in case you get robbed.
@connormonnery6998
4 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Thanks for teaching us awareness of a fake. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😀
@marioamayaflamenco
4 жыл бұрын
I got 50 of them. They weigh 26 grams each, not 31.1. I cut one in half expecting to find copper, but it is uniform throughout; non-magnetic. The four websites that I bought them from did not look Chinese. Chinese characters on the order confirmation emails though. I think yours is the second, middle, one. The U gives it away. By the way, Paypal was no help in getting my money back. My bank stepped in though. Too bad the Secret Service isn't interested; they only care about paper currency.
@paulvincent3825
Жыл бұрын
How many people watched just to see the fake cut in half. 😱😱😱😱
@lwilton
4 жыл бұрын
It would sure be interesting to know what alloy or amalgamation that coin was made of. The weight was very close to that of silver, but all of the magnetic elements are notably less dense than silver. In the light the cut looked copper-colored, but maybe that was just some sort of lighting artifact in the video, since nickle, cobalt, and iron are all somewhat silverish in color.
@The1zaney2
4 жыл бұрын
Number 2 because I noticed that it is on the wrong way up when turned over
@sctpc
4 жыл бұрын
Center No 2 as its smaller
@battleshipnewjerseysailor4738
4 жыл бұрын
For me, it was easy to spot due to the way the Chrome plating was reflecting off the "rays"
@Jabarten
4 жыл бұрын
I stand corrected...they exist...
@mongosafariadventure
4 жыл бұрын
I'm curious why Customs and Border Protection (formerly US Customs) allows this counterfeit US currency into the country. If it is imported as a decoration why would it appear so realistic? Complete with US currency markings. To me fraud is intended.
@themacz1671
4 жыл бұрын
👋🏼👋🏼 thank you for sharing speg
@jackiebridges6217
4 жыл бұрын
I was cracking up watching you messing with fake silver OMG thanks for sharing went through my stack all real.wow terrible how many fakes..
@AJustmenow
4 жыл бұрын
I called two, probably because I have very good eyesight, I also collect silver coins.
@jamesleadabrand7986
4 жыл бұрын
I guessed no 2 before he even picked them up!
@andrewfannin2795
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I just found out that a 2020 westpoint silver eagle is a fake thanks to you video.
@dciimho2798
4 жыл бұрын
The minute you flipped the center coin and it had a medallion die orientation it was a no brainer.
@Silverholic
4 жыл бұрын
I am getting really tempted to buy a sigma tester everytime I see you use it. If it wasn't so expensive I would already have one ;)
@JWsCoinsandHobbies
4 жыл бұрын
Your talents with a magnet are unmatched good sir. :)
@sickofthissh
4 жыл бұрын
Howdy SpegTacular. I ordered two 2 oz Scottsdale Sunday and they are out for shipment today. APMEX won't be out until 7/19/2020. I am a patient man.
@Spegtacular
4 жыл бұрын
It’s a virtue :) people had rumored that Scottsdale was going out of business, stealing money, etc. in truth, they were just extremely busy.
@nadien1958
4 жыл бұрын
there's a lot of advertisements on Facebook that sell these fakes for under $10 bucks a piece.very few will give any "contact" information. the day I checked silver was selling for just over $17 bucks an once. that alone told me they were fake.
@PoliticalprisonUK
4 жыл бұрын
Just imagine trying to be a genuine bullion seller in China . Or a Chinese American stacker. With these fakes coming out of China it has to be a business and trading destroyer. It would be great to hear from any stacker or dealer who's American of Chinese descent to hear of the grief they get because of these fakes.
@unlockeduk
2 жыл бұрын
i imagine the Chinese stack the Chinese silver as faking the yuan is the death penalty but in china most people invest in property there are whole citys of empty houses where people bought houses to keep their money safe
@mikebarrett8572
4 жыл бұрын
Dead give away for me was the letter U in United. The mint changed the design of the U a few years back.
@ferebeefamily
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe drill a small hole through the fakes to permanently mark them yet saving them for our training? Good video. Thank you.
@robertimler8283
4 жыл бұрын
You can see that number 2 is smaller
@silverbanky9596
4 жыл бұрын
Of course 2. Doesn’t flip correctly obverse to reverse.
Пікірлер: 672