Thank you for the season! It’s been nice to spend it with you guys. We’ll see again next year! Oh, and your reaction video for Cha Cha Cha is now the most viewed video of your channel. That’s great!
@ganapatikamesh
Жыл бұрын
This year was my mom's first time watching Eurovision. She only watched the first semifinal and the final because she was still at work when the second semifinal aired (idk if she watched it later or not, she didn't say). She mostly took an interest because last year it was all over the news that Ukraine won and when I explained Eurovision is what the American Song Contest was supposed to be based on, and she liked ASC, she said she wanted to watch this year. This was my sister's second year watching and I think a lot of her interest was because it was being held in the UK. It was her first time watching the semifinals, last year she only watched the final. My niece missed the semifinals because she was sick and so was resting, but she did watch the final with all of us. She's usually the one that watches Eurovision with me and whenever I go over for dinner from January to May she and I usually end up talking about Eurovision news to each other (April is always a fun month because that's when Star Wars news comes out due to Star Wars Celebration and so the conversations in April are dominated between Eurovision and Star Wars. LOL). After all the performances of the final I asked everyone to write down their five favorites in no particular order. My mom (whose a Boomer) liked: Czechia, Lithuania, Estonia, Cyprus, and Poland. My sister (a Millennial) liked: Israel, Ukraine, Cyprus, Belgium, and Austria. I (a GenXer) wrote down Finland, Switzerland, Slovenia, Cyprus, and Servia. My niece (a Zoomer/GenZ) wrote down: Slovenia, Serbia, Germany, Finland, and Cyprus. There are some rules for how the jury works, etc. I've been digging into the rules, etc (reading a lot on the EBU website including how membership and other finances are calculated....super complex algorithm...and other such things). Apparently the same people can't serve on a jury consecutively and a person who serves on a jury say in 2020 can't serve again until 2023 because there's a rule by the EBU that a person must wait two years before they can be invited to serve as a juror again. The jurors also don't have to be from the country the jury they serve on is....which I'll admit kinda surprised me. And the EBU doesn't define what it means to be a music industry professional, it just uses that wording without any further clarification. During the American Song Contest a lot of the jurors were radio DJs and I can't help but wonder if that's who the broadcasters in these countries get to serve on the juries. The juries have four criteria they're supposed to judge on and then they're given a score sheet where the only thing the jurors are asked to do is to rank all 26 songs from 1-26. Then the score sheets are given to someone with the broadcaster and it is the broadcaster who tallies up the rankings of the five members of the juries and assigns the points to the top ten and submits them. I've suggested two different things to folks who have complained about the system: do like the ASC did and have regional juries instead of national juries. Europe has six regions: Northern, Southern, Western, Eastern, Central, and Southeastern according to geographers. So then the 1-8/10/12 points would be given out as a region instead of per country. My other suggestion was to increase the points so that it's like how the jury ranks the songs. If not wanting to have points above 12, then use intermediate numbers so that it's 12 points, 10.9 points, 10.8 points, 10.7-10.0, 8.9-8.0, 7.9-7.0, and so on. Because I feel like people think that when songs don't get points or are low on the scoreboard that it means no juror or person watching liked those songs and yet that's not the case. Just reading through online groups and forums reveals that there were people who voted for the songs and the jurors literally rank the songs. It's just that currently points only go to the songs that make it in the top ten per country so if a song is 11th or 12th or whatever per country jury/tv votes we don't know that because there's no data given to us (it's probably known internally and shared between broadcasters and the EBU, but officially there's no way for those of us watching to know). So I agree with everyone's decision that it just all needs to be more transparent. I'm not saying that the transparency will cease complaints by fans, but it might help reduce the conspiracy theories that sometimes pop up after every show. Heck, if they wanted to they could do like actual music competitions here in the US do and have the juries leave a brief remark about the song next to their rankings and release those publicly. I mean, when I served as a judge for a local music contest that's what I was required to do. I was given a sheet that had specific criteria I was to judge on (some of it technical like did the kid hit all the right notes, did they do the decrescendo where they were supposed to, were they in the right time and key, etc and some of it was subjective like were they dressed well, did they have good stage presence, etc) and we ranked those on a scale of 1-5 and then wrote a brief note at the end of the score sheet for us to leave a brief thought about their overall performance like "great vocals" or "unique technique" or something that wasn't negative. The only difference between that and Eurovision is that our scores were tabulated into an overall score and then the scores are on a sliding scale which assigns a I, II, III, IV, or V. Folks who earn a I get a medal. Folks who earn a II get a ribbon. Folks who earn a III get a certificate. But that's because it's not a trophy, single winner type of contest like Eurovision. But the rankings and scores are all known and the kids participating get a copy of all our score sheets with those notes and all of that is made public to anyone wanting to see (kinda like how in my state the full voter tabulation is placed on a window or door at polling places and is there for 24 hours after an election for anyone who wanted to go back and see the results; I've been a pollworker in my state in the past..it was fun, totall recomment everyone try it once). Great discussion and look back on ESC 2023! It's been a fun year! And if any of the artists from ESC want to come to the ESC and go to Minneapolis, it's an 11 hour drive from where I live so I'd make it if they don't come closer to me. I've driven to Minneapolis before and spent a week there so would be happy to go there again. I stayed in Plymouth and drove into Minneapolis and St Paul and other areas to visit different places like the science museum, the state capitol, Mall of America, Valleyfair, University of Minnesota, and more with friends that lived there at the time). I know that this fall Maneskin is going to be in Dallas (a 4 hour drive from me) and Netta is going to be in Denver (a 9 hour drive from me). I prefer Dallas as it's closer and I go there more often (I'm literally going in two weeks for the FanExpo there), but a little further is okay. If it's along either coast I'd probably just fly because I know it's a long drive (been there, done that, not a fan of that long of a drive...especially when gas prices are high).
@EmoBearRights
Жыл бұрын
Tyler - Maneskin were 4th with the juries less than 5 points behind Malta whose jury did not give them a single point. They now have the 10th highest televote of all time. However Italy in 2015 have the third highest now and they didn't win. Finland now have the second highest televote in history and Sweden have the highest since the juries came back. You have to have been living under a rock not to see that Finland were going to win the televote by loads by the audience reaction and ergo it looks like a deliberate nerf by the juries to do down Finland and give Sweden the historic win. Its also always Sweden who wins the jury and not the televote where the televote is very high. Also Sweden is a huge player in the pop music industry - the two are probably not unrelated. I like Heroes a lot but at least there Italy rhe country with the big televote was a big 5 country so the juries couldn't have known it was going to go that big in the televote. The juries are too focused on pop bops and underate ethnic songs, rock songs and anything out of the box. They overate the pop songs and ballads. They need to be diversified - in age (too many middle aged Xers) and in areas of music they come from.
@patrikiosvatemanopoulos
Жыл бұрын
Cha Cha Cha!
@k.l.7788
Жыл бұрын
I love Mic Mac. 😊🇫🇮💚
@sanhay4197
Жыл бұрын
It is understandable people are a bit upset considering (based on the comments I've seen in different places) many people used a lot of money to vote for Finland. To my understanding jurys voted already a day before the show so the outcome was decided before we gave any votes during the actual show. Yes we could still vote for spots 2-26, but how many would use their real money to vote if they knew the winner was already decided on Friday. I think Eurovision should address this problem somehow. I know there were alot of people tuning in for the first time and voting for the first time. Not sure this was great marketing for ESC.
@kaoLimunada
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great year, spent with you guys. This video was the one I needed to wrap up this ESC year for me.❤❤❤❤ See you next year, and that are just 7 months from now. Bye
@dk240996
Жыл бұрын
I really wish we got to see you guys on here more than not at all between now and next ESC season, but a) I absolutely respect if you have no interest in doing so, that's fine, wouldn't want this to turn into something you dread doing and b) the only form of content I was able to think of and could've seen you actually trying is very sparse reactions to select songs from before some or all of you became fans, cause I know I'd love to watch those. Regardless of that mini spiel though, I will still absolutely keep you guys as part of my ESC season experience as long as you guys feel like doing reactions, I love your whole vibe together and your reactions always feel very genuine, without much biting your tongue just out of some wanting to avoid fandoms outrage, which I respect the hell out of. So in any case, see you next season.
@maver1ck432
Жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts as well
@theguy2503
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for an awesome year! Loved all your videos and random ramblings your videos are very high in my Eurovision content sphere so thanks!
@piktasvaikasvid
Жыл бұрын
see you next year! it's always a pleasure to follow your videos!
@leog6554
Жыл бұрын
In regards to jury composition, in Spain for instance we had one artist, Marta Sango, no disrespect meant towards her, but her claim to fame is that she was in a talent show and then entered the Spanish selection for ESC 2022, where she failed to make the final after failing to hit a single note right in her live performance. And now she gets to judge people like Marco Mengoni. It's just one example, but I think it shows how ridiculous the system is. It's always a bummer to see that most juries reward either basic radio-friendly pop in English (hello Sweden basically every year) or lame ballads of the kind that you only see in Eurovision (hello Estonia this year), and adding Finland's record breaking televote (only beaten by Ukraine last year, and surely we all know that got a major boost for non-music reasons), it left a very bitter taste in my mouth...
@dk240996
Жыл бұрын
I'll put this in another comment since it's on a totally unrelated topic to the other comment, but my idea for slightly retooling the jury votes borrows from ski jumping. Let me explain: In ski jumping, there are 5 judges who rate the jumps style based on form in flight, landing, etc., essentially set criteria just like Eurovision and rating subjectively (though conforming a bit more to a universal set of criteria than Eurovision). But to get to the part I want to borrow for ESC, after the 5 judges rate the jump, the highest and lowest scores are removed as outliers (if it's 5 equal scores, 3 random ones are taken, etc.). So, with countries having 5 member jury squads, and the outliers being much more extreme, removing the two most outlying ranks for every song would make the possibility of a single juror tanking someone's score in that jury completely impossible, which it's very likely to happen under the current system.
@greeneagle1919
Жыл бұрын
Great job this year guys! Really enjoyed your reactions as always. Looking forward to next year... or as I now call it "my annual simp for Carlena" ❤🤣
@Leifdk1
Жыл бұрын
I do think the system needs tweaking. Looking at the juries seems an option. Better instructions, maybe they need to be bigger, whatever. And yes, transparency would be nice. Also, I think the power balance between juries and the public needs to be changed, giving juries a little less power. But I would not get rid of them - they do serve a purpose.
@ConlangKrishna
Жыл бұрын
As far as I am informed, the indivdual participating tv stations choose their jury of 5 people, often composed of media people and artists. I know in the German jury, there were singers some of which had taken part in the ESC or some preselection in the past. The EBU actually has a list of categories - that the juries should be presented - that they are supposed to rate all the songs by. If you ask me, the more rules/guidelines you introduce, the more the winning songs will be streamlined, because all crazy unique songs will be voted out be the majority using the same voting categories. I actually like the unpredictability of a few people giving their votes. The televotes streamline votes already sooo much.
@joebloggs396
Жыл бұрын
George's chance of qualifying will likely have increased had there had been juries. Possibly the same for Latvia.
@ERG11
Жыл бұрын
At this point, we need to believe that Maya has a connection with the juries and the EBU, and that is how she always win!
@SheReadsAndSings
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@theguy2503
Жыл бұрын
19:55 Sorry Tyler, but Bulgaria in 2017 had over 600 points, not only did he not win he was STILL over 100 points from Portugal
@sav0001
Жыл бұрын
Dami Im in 2016 also had over 500 points, finishing 23 points behind Jamala
@thedirtcrew
Жыл бұрын
Grats on another fun year from a fellow Minnesotan! Glad you were able to outsmart the Cypriot copyright ninjas and scored a mini viral hit with the Cha Cha Cha reaction. If Estonia wins sometime soon (it could happen!) I hope you get to go! Wishing you all a nice summer, it's already getting too hot for me :/
@joebloggs396
Жыл бұрын
Juries don't dare go against hype and betting odds. Ideally part of their scores should be on a blind listen, but that's probably impossible now. The running order is based around betting odds too. And favourites are often based around reputation, Sweden and Italy will always be expected to finish high. Some others won't really be expected to even qualify for the final. I haven't considered placings to be my primary interest in Eurovision for many years. And, for what it's worth, I think the Austrian song was much better than the Finnish. Though I would have been happy with Cha Cha Cha beating Loreen. Also you speak highly of Maneskin, I didn't like it. They've done better songs. And I don't think they were that obscure, in some places at least. Plus the power of San Remo hype. I wouldn't say the influence was that good with San Marino last year or Romania this year either. I feel their winning song was limited. Maybe it was even more about visuals, but aren't winners always as much about that than simply the music anyway? A good reason not to concentrate on them.
@ehmzed
8 ай бұрын
15:45 Having people who don't follow Eurovision be the judges actually makes some sense. In Italy's Sanremo there's been a demoscopic jury for many years, made up of a few hundred random people of diverse age, class, ethnic groups, who statistically make up what the Italian population will think of each songs. That way it's not only Sanremo fans willing to spend their money to vote that get to express their preference. This demoscopic jury and the media professionals weigh 33% of the votes, and the televote makes up 34% of the votes so fans still have the majority. So far this voting system has almost always led to a winner that everyone is happy with, and luckily does well at Eurovision too. Ironically, they are going to ditch the demoscopic jury next year and they will replace it with a radio professionals jury. They'll vote on what's going to be popular on the radio, which is essentially somewhat similar to what the average Italian's taste would be anyway. But idk, I liked the idea of the demoscopic jury, so we'll see. I think it could be cool in Eurovision, but it would mess up the iconic voting process of 50-50 split and the going country by country with the 12 points.
@denniskronholm9179
2 ай бұрын
It doesn’t make any sense since the public are voting in the televote. The jurors should be professional singers, artists, song writers, producers, from radio and television and the music industry because they are assessing what possibilities a song has to survive after that one night. Neither Loreen nor Duncan Lawrence were the number one of the public, but the juries clearly chose a song that lasted after the grand final and went on to become huge hits. It’s important for the legitimacy of the contest that it produces winners which last. Otherwise it’s a stage show song contest.
@rastadude12
Жыл бұрын
Kalush Orchestra from Ukraine has the record for the most points from the televote
@noahpleing2.0
Жыл бұрын
Yes but due to a Argument with Russia so Käärijä should be mentioned to
@ZakhadWOW
Жыл бұрын
there will ALWAYS be a huge asterisk next to that score, because no way in hell they get that level of televote with the sympathy factor. As much as people scream about so and so being robbed, it's clear that Sam Ryder and Chanel were both massively robbed by something completely irrelevant to the actual competition.
@Ninterd2
Жыл бұрын
Argument lol
@JJSFC
Жыл бұрын
@@noahpleing2.0 argument?
@noahpleing2.0
Жыл бұрын
@@JJSFC yes Argument Russia and Ukraine are fighting each Other Sry im Not wanted to write war
@inesvbm1
Жыл бұрын
I think juries from each country should disclosure the rating each gave to each category. It just not transparent and considering there is no monetary price it should not be based on music industry and neighbors. At best they could give extra points due to cultural and music similarities but shouldn’t influence vocal and performance judgements
@ericforsyth
Жыл бұрын
"Spain only got 2 points from the televote, that's WRONG!" "Anyway, the jury sucks and only goes for radio friendly stuff, and only the televote should count"
@sweetgirl070707
Жыл бұрын
I was looking forward to this video! I liked both Sweden and Finland from the first moment I heard them, they were my two favorites of the year, so I'm happy with the results. People are gonna get over it. Loreen deserved to win. Her performances was on another level. She had the second highest televote results, so it's not just the juries who liked her. Finland was also deserving and in another year would've easily won. It's not such a big deal for me. Imo the problem with the juries is block voting and nothing else. They were introduced to combat that, so it looks really ugly when they do it regardless. I think it was a great Eurovision, there were a ton of songs I loved, probably more than any other year. I've even been hearing a few of them on the radio here. Thanks for all the videos and see you next year!
@SheReadsAndSings
Жыл бұрын
I’m in MINNESOTA! 😂😂😂😂
@muddyfeet69
Жыл бұрын
I want to say 'thank you' for your good (and funny) work. I think that I can say in the name of all ESC fans, that your reaction videos made our life better. Maybe you will overthink your decision and you will react to the Junior ESC songs (they will be releases in September) too. Greetings from Germany to you in the USA ❤.
@dv2483
Жыл бұрын
i find the controversy very strange because what we knew was going to happen already for months, actually happened. there is nothing wrong with the first two spots: Loreen won jury, second in televote. It is a deserved win. Germany and Spain deserved a bit more love from both jury and televote. Poland maybe a bit less, but that's how it goes. The televote turns into diaspora and bloc voting outside the top 5 so that is also not the holy grail....
@mio.vision
Жыл бұрын
Bulgaria 2017 placed 2nd with 615 points .
@cassio2999
Жыл бұрын
Agree with Tylor the jury I just say Norwegian and Swedish jury gave Finland 12 point it naboug voting
@kiwisvideos0
Жыл бұрын
Not to be Mr numbers here, but here's my rant. To me, the fact that Finland got the same amount of points as Salvador Sobral (they're both behind only Kalush Orchestra) and still couldn't catch up to Sweden shows how biased the juries were. In past years, the top 3 or so would all end up with around 200 points. Last year both Spain, Sweden and the UK got around 200 points each from the juries. And people say "well, Finland got 4th from the juries" YEAH, Finland got 150 points from the juries, Italy got 176 and Israel 177, SWEDEN GOT 340 POINTS. In recent years I can't remember such a big gap. Maybe Salvador Sobral when he won the jury by like 100 points. Even Maneskin got more than 200 points, around 60 points behind Switzerland, the jury winner. I'm just sad. I've had a week to get my love goggles off, and tried to just consider numbers and patterns and it still bothers me. Last year the cheating scandal happened, there were no repercussions, Greece and Cyprus are common knowledge, so... Will we even get a tiny bit of change?
@kiwisvideos0
Жыл бұрын
I am excited for 2024 and I do like Tattoo and Loreen so whatever, it's not that deep. Just wanted to rant since the topic keeps coming up. Televote fucks up too, Poland was a disgrace and I can't believe they did Slovenia so dirty. At least Norway got a good score. I'm happy for that 🥰 Also Sweden got like 200 points so whatever the public liked it too. It's just a shame the favoritism for Sweden usually comes from the juries.
@kiwisvideos0
Жыл бұрын
Also sorry if anything I said doesn't make sense. My first language is Spanish and sometimes my English breaks a lot.
@Chanelistap
Жыл бұрын
2016 tapping on your door. Australia won the juries with 320 points, while Russia (televote winner) got only 130 points so we had almost 200 point difference. Funny enough - none of them won the show, it went to Ukraine who was 2nd in both. Was it fair? Why weren't we talking about it then? Sergiey got 361 points from televote, almost the exact same as Kaarija. The more people moan the more it shows lots of you are new here and wanted Finland so badly to win that now yall coming up with bunch of conspiracy theories to dull the pain. Just for the record- I love Kaarija, he was my number 2 this year but the guy c a n t sing and he was lucky enough to get so many points from the professional juries (many more than eg Ukraine 2021 who were original and Caterina could sing.)
@kiwisvideos0
Жыл бұрын
@@Chanelistap I wrote a lot, sorry. I understand if you don't want to respond lol holy sheesh. I'm here from 2016, yes I am new and I've been rewatching past eurovisions, reading about it and listening to the music cause I like it. Just cause I'm new doesn't mean I don't know stuff, specially when the voting system has changed with time. Australia won the jury vote with 320, Ukraine came second with 211. 109 point difference, which is fucking ridiculous too. Again, juries trying to make generic repetitive pop ballad more than it is (even if Dami Im's voice is amazing). France third, Malta fourth and then Russia fifth with 130. Russia won the televote with 361 points, Ukraine was second with 323. Ukraine was second both times. Australia got fourth in the televote, 191 so she couldn't hold up. maybe too boring for the audience, contrary as Loreen who had a more engaging staging and moved and did the thing with her long nails. We aren't talking about Sergey here cause all people remember is Ukraine and Australia. (Although idkr if you asked me why Sergey didn't get as many points. I would say, it was as generic but not as big of a vocal as Australia or Ukraine, and the whole screen special effects made the judges angy cause it wasn't a serious pop ballad, it was a fun staging that got people's attention). I also wished Australia could win, but she didn't. I would guess people at the time seriously complained too, and I remember the amount of discourse on twitter about it ("inviting a non European country and them winning would be embarrassing" type stuff) but I was happy with the winner, just as I'm content with Loreen now. It's not a conspiracy theory when the numbers are publicly available and it's not conspiracy theory that countries would vote for their neighbours or do political type voting, or would vote for radio friendly, or classy or professional. Salvador Sobral was like 50s - 70s eurovision, of course judges would eat that up, and people liked that it was different, while Bulgaria was a powerful generic pop ballad. Perfect Eurovision. I understand Käärijä not getting more points based on all that, but be fr, Israel and Italy got barely half of Sweden's score. It's still a very big difference and so when it came to televote it felt like it was already over. Also the juries are supposed to judge more than the singing. A song is made by composition, melody, genres, production, voice, and whatever feeling it has to portray. Afaik? they also have guidelines that say to judge the performance and creativity/originality. Tattoo is a generic pop song with a great singer behind it, and creative staging. Käärijä was my favorite, yes, but I started the show prepared for his eventual 2nd place. It may be due to the love goggles I'm still trying to take off (I was so tempted to fall into the whole "they rigged it for Abba bla bla") and i get it. It's ok. If I sat down and seriously tried to rationalize why a song won when they won, why a song got less points, more points, jury, televote, polls, etc, I could argue about it all, just like Loreen fans say "Loreen sang perfectly and käärijä can't sing" and käärijä fans say "Käärijä was fun and original and Loreen was boring and generic" (me, hey). Whatever we argue it won't change anything, though I appreciate your point of view. So, to resume, yeah, but no, but yea?
@kiwisvideos0
Жыл бұрын
Me when I write what could be an essay. About Eurovisión. Holy shit
@kevytmelankolia3395
Жыл бұрын
If there is no change in tele/juryvote balance next year, I would like to hear one country's points announced at the same time. You know like: The public has given you 12 points! Aaand our jury has given you...Zero points. Let's see how the audience is going to react to THAT.
@carolaandersson6382
Жыл бұрын
Thank you as always for sharing your Eurovision journey. I confess that I felt directly ”hit” when you talked about Spain not getting points this year (even though I don’t vote), but the song honestly gives me a headache so I cannot listen to it. Anyway, hope you all get a lovely summer, see you again next year! Greetings from Sweden
@theobenkaya
Жыл бұрын
UK 12th Czechia 7th Georgia 15th Cyprus 18th and Switzerland 20th = 421 points for me... I chose the countries from what's left of you and I almost took down Tyler :D And "my Ranking 1. Maia 2. Bekah 3. Carlena and 4. Tyler" almost got that right :D
@friswing
Жыл бұрын
I love Flamenco, Blanca Paloma was GREAT, but Europe just never vote for Flamenco-ish music, it has happened before, when Spain has compeeted with flamenco- -- Finland had their second best result 'ever', why be angry? he did a Verka Serdutcha, 2nd place, and will never be forgotten.
@Querviinho
Жыл бұрын
19:43 Bulgaria 2017 made 615 points in the final and didn't win Australia 2016 made 511 points
@witchmonkey8745
Жыл бұрын
No surprise really guys, in regards the Jury vote. 50 years of Waterloo next year, and Sweden winning via the jury vote isn't surprising, it's sad, but not surprising.
@inesvbm1
Жыл бұрын
I have another idea. 3 sets of votes 😂 public (50%) country music producers (25%) country musicians (25%)
@user7434
11 ай бұрын
esc france 1997
@jorgebarros397
Жыл бұрын
Bulgaria 2017 got over 600 points and didn’t win
@denniskronholm9179
2 ай бұрын
The juries were actually re-introduced because Eurovision in the 00’s had started to turn into a freak show with lots of joke songs. Eurovision had a big drop of viewers when the music quality failed. The juries will obviously have an impact on the final results, but do we really wanna go back to 100 % televoting and have all of the problems we had before? No thanks.
@davidhall7744
Жыл бұрын
As a European who has grown up watching Eurovision, I disagree with you in that it is a ‘song’ contest and not a singing competition. For me, the juries tend to vote the way they do because they are directed toward ‘vocal capacity’, however this disadvantages certain types of music - regardless of how good the song is, which is a shame. PS - Finland (and the millions of televoters who paid to vote) were robbed 😉
@ristoravela652
Жыл бұрын
They should use the UMK system for televote, where each song gets a share of the points that's equal to their share of the votes. So if a winner of a country gets 50% of the televote they get 29 points instead of 12, and if the second place gets 25% they get 14 points, and everyone who gets at least 1.4% of the votes gets at least a point. (Each country should still go separately of course.) This would much better represent the actual opinion of the people, and also make sure that the real runaway crowd favorites would always have a chance despite what the juries think.
@alipanroosendaal9503
Жыл бұрын
This was a weak year, so mainstreamers voted Sweden and alternativers voted Finland. It ended up close-ish and ultimately the better voice won.
@lenariuse
Жыл бұрын
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@Chanelistap
Жыл бұрын
Well, imho the juries saved this years show. If it was purely up to public Austria and Spain would have come dead last and that would have been RIDICULOUS. The juries actually prevent going back to the kitsch era of the 2000s and Sweden did deserve those points. (I mean where were these moaners back in 2018 when Portugal got almost 400(!!!) jury points?? No one said anything. So to bring this up now is just either sour grapes bc someone's fave didnt win or someones completely new to the contest and have no idea how this works. Loreen deserved those points mostly (I guess) because of the way she was able to sing and hit those high notes (singing laying down/turning around/squatting then standing up, this was madness and vocals still were amazing, the vast majority of us wouldn't pull this off in one standing position😂 So happy Sweden won because they're definitely the most objective and professional esc country. Giving Finland 24 points even tho they knew he was their biggest competition- pure class. And they do know how to host an amazing show so im thrilled for 2024🎉
@anilatac488
Жыл бұрын
idk if your comment is bait (?) but people are mad at the amount of points given by the jury to sweden because they almost DOUBLED (!!) their 2nd place (1st sweden 340, 2nd israel 177), and that certainly didn't happen back in 2017 (jury voting: 1st portugal 382, 2nd bulgaria 278). with the amount of points their 2nd place had with the jury, bulgaria could've won with televote points (but they didn't because salvador sobral got 1st place with public too). this time it was almost impossible to surpass the gap imposed by the juries, so much that finland having insane historic televote didn't get him there. like, don't get me wrong, tattoo had a great performance, but not great enough to justify that huge gap between them and the rest of the contestants. also i would argue that we are very far away from the campy era of eurovision in the 2000's, so much so that i fear the contest would be progressively losing that culturally relevant identifier; just look at the fact that this year 4 songs made it to the UK music charts, and only one country sent a joke entry (croatia). now i know that that's subjective and maybe you want the contest to be billboard top 100 material, but i'd say that's not why people turn on the tv to watch eurovision imo.
@Chanelistap
Жыл бұрын
@anilatac no bait, pure facts - in 2016 Australia got almost 200 points more than Russia (televote winner) who happened to get almost the exact same number of votes as kaarija. He didn't even manage to finish 2nd that year (and Australia didn't win because they were 4th in the televote) If people hadn't voted for Sweden Loreen wouldn't have won even with the juries "help" (Dami Im 2016) She got 2nd and it was enough. Pure maths. Period. I'm happy these songs made top 10 in the UK but it's also thanks to streams and Loreen was 2nd, the highest one on the chart so people like the song and support it🤷
@anilatac488
Жыл бұрын
@@Chanelistap im not sure how is the 2016 edition relevant?? i don't think they're comparable since both 1st places in jury and in televote didn't win, it seemed more like an middle ground with the 2nd place in both rankings winning. nobody on the internet is disagreeing with maths, we are disagreeing with the potential reasonings the jury could've given loreen such a massive amount of points. take for example spain. blanca paloma ticked all of the checks you can imagine a professional jury might approve, yet she only got 95 points, compare them to the imposing 340 loreen got, with a song much more lacking in the writing area. it's very hard to understand, so we turn to asume that these juries don't actually care for the artistic merit of a performance, but rather the marketability. also charting high doesnt equal public support. no one pays to stream a single song, but we sure as hell pay for the televote.
@Chanelistap
Жыл бұрын
@anilatac its relevant because its the same voting system. Someone who wasnt neither juries favorite nor the public won the whole thing (2019 was even worse in that aspect) people voting in masses for kaarija, knowing he was the only one who could stop loreen from winning,by doing so couldn't vote for other entries and hurt them badly with extremely low scores (a bunch of 40-5 points which is ridiculous) Streaming does count a lot, kaarija was 6th and its a fantastic news for a Finnish song, chachacha is gaining tons of millions of streams which is a REAL support for him as an artist. A lot of people pay for Spotify memberships. And people who voted for Sweden didn't do it for free either🤷
@zsedzz
Жыл бұрын
In 2018, Portugal sent a song that was completely unique in the contest that year and has already become a modern legend of an ESC-song. In 2023, Sweden sent a polished pop song written by Swedes. No offense, but we get at least a few of those every year... some years even more! Whilst I agree Tattoo was among the better pop songs this year, it's hard to imagine it would've got the jury landslide win if it was performed by any other country/artist. It certainly isn't as special as Portugal 2018
@ParsnipBurger
Жыл бұрын
6. Måneskin - ‘Zitti e buoni’ (524 points) 5. Netta - ‘Toy’ (529 points) 4. Jamala - ‘1944’ (534 points) 3. Kristian Kostov - ‘Beautiful Mess’ (615 points) 2. Kalush Orchestra - ‘Stefania’ (631 points) 1. Salvador Sobral - ‘Amar pelos dois’ (758 points) Tyler said Måneskin was behind Salvador Sobral as the second highest point total in history, but there are at least four others in between, one of which never even won the contest.
@annalyon2729
Жыл бұрын
Also The number of countries varies Every year, so that shows in televote points too. There were fewer countries this year than last couples of years.
@trildi
Жыл бұрын
In terms of the *televote* he meant, which is Kalush, then Salvador/Kaarija, then Maneskin, so this is the Top 3, as they were discussing the televote at that point in the video unless I'm wrong.
@markus_ch
Жыл бұрын
If you want Eurovision full of cheap bangers, dance numbers with a „song“ break (…) or silly ethno-kitsch, you definitely have to abolish the juries.
@inesvbm1
Жыл бұрын
If you want to watch generic pop songs done by same artists with similar songs and have nothing new and different continue with juries
@markus_ch
Жыл бұрын
@@inesvbm1 I know, tastes can be different, and if I hate something about Eurovision, it’s generic pop songs from Sweden and from other countries, that mostly do well. But would you consider Norway, Poland or Moldova as „new and different“, which were all top ten by public votes? And Spain, that came last by public vote, was „generic“?
@inesvbm1
Жыл бұрын
@@markus_ch I wouldn’t actually remove jury’s for the reasons you mentioned above (specifically Spain). But at least make it transparent and publish their ratings by category.
@Veri183
Жыл бұрын
This year ruined Eurovision for me. I know, that a lot of the mechanics (like the juries and points system) are in place since a couple of years, so it's nothing new. But this year was the first time it felt wrong for me. (1) The juries have always been biased and not objective at all, but it was never so obvious and blunt as this year. They literally rubbed it in everyones' face that they want Sweden to win this, not matter what. Other acts, which usually perform well with the juries received a lot less points, so the judges failed big time in supporting quality acts, which may not perfom so well with the general audience. It has never been so clear that the juries simply don't do the job they are supposed to do. The fact they ignore, even punish, anything that is not sung in English, is not radio pop, or has ethnic elements that do not seem to fit Western taste, is just a disgrace. (2) There is clearly a problem with the televote, too. There are the odds, which more or less predict who's going to win and causual viewers don't have the capacity to watch 26 acts with the same level of attention and tend to vote for what they know. Even people who show no deeper interest in the contest and only tune in for the final, see online aticles saying that Sweden is high in the odds and a former winner will perform. So, of course, people will think it's good before they even hear it. This year also showed the flaws in the points system with the televotes, which explains why so many people have been surprised that certain acts received only few points from the televote. Here is an (extreme) example: Germanys' final place in the televote: 24/26 vs. Albanias' final place in the televote: 10/26. However, Germanys' average televote place per country was 16 vs. Albania only achieved an average place of 22 in the televote. So Germany got way more votes per country on average than Albania but received way less points in total. This is really an extreme example, of course, but it could explain why people have the feeling something is somehow off. "Why did Australia receive only few points from the televote?", "I would have expected, that Germany would perform much better in the televote. Why haven't they?" - well, that's why.
@TiagoSilvaESC
Жыл бұрын
I prefer the jury results over the televote...the televote literally put 3 ethnic songs in the bottom, its not like they valorize original songs. Like having Spain and Portugal in the bottom with Croatia and Poland in the top 10?? What kind of garbage is that lmao
@jamslam5641
Жыл бұрын
Even with no interest, ended up watching the Grand Finals to root for Finland since Sweden was a big betting favorite. Listened to most of the songs for the first time and did not like them at all. 2023 will rank right up there with 2019 as one of the worst ESC ever. But I will start watching your reactions since the banter is usually more entertaining than the songs anyways.
@EmoBearRights
Жыл бұрын
I completely disagree I thought this year had a lot of good songs and in a lot of variety and I showed it a friend. Besides 86 although not as bad as I remember is full of indifferent songs, 60 was mostly boring with a horribly twee winner and 01-02 were bad unless you especially like Schlarger music sung over an EDM beat.
@joebloggs396
Жыл бұрын
It was worse than 22, and 22 was worse than 21. But clearly not among the worst, there's still variety.
@ZakhadWOW
Жыл бұрын
"... as one of the worst ever..." IN YOUR DAMN OPINION. Voting totals and viewership numbers say you clearly don't know what the bleep you are talking about. Stop acting as though you are somehow representative of all of Europe.. The insane arrogance of your statement is astounding.
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