The "Gun Worm" you showed is actually a patch worm and is used for retrieving lost cleaning patches, you'd use a different device that looks more like a screw called a Ball Puller. The patch worms you showed would not be able to hold onto the lead very well for reliable removal, and even the Ball Puller sometimes came out of the ball due to the softness of the lead.
@TheGamingScout_
10 ай бұрын
Source: I am a life-long muzzleloader user and I worked in a muzzle-loading specific gun store.
@robertkalinic335
10 ай бұрын
Do people really just pull bullet out instead of shooting it, i understand why but for hunter i would think there is no difference.
@TheGamingScout_
10 ай бұрын
@@robertkalinic335 No, not usually. It is far more common (and easier) to discharge the firearm than to pull out the ball. Where I worked we'd pull balls out all the time, usually when the flash channel would get plugged so the gun wouldn't go off, or sometimes people forgot to pour in their powder charge.
@jaredpeterson380
10 ай бұрын
I've loaded balls twice in a percussion gun. If you unscrew the nipple. You can shake enough powder into the touch hole to fire the ball.
@TheGamingScout_
10 ай бұрын
@@jaredpeterson380 Yes!! That’s a technique I’ve seen used before!
@potatoradio
10 ай бұрын
These have been used for over 160 years (Smiths Carbine...) and been in legal in reproductions, and 1862 Gatling gun that used muzzle-loaded reusable cartridges. Still, the ATF does change their mind at will on long-settled things all the time now.
@D_Boone
10 ай бұрын
This has nothing to do with the ATF though...
@OverkillTASF
10 ай бұрын
@@D_Boone It does - because many federal regulations on firearms do not apply to muzzle loaders. Felons can own them, no background check requirements, you can sell them across state lines without federal government involvement, etc. Maybe the video focuses on local/state regulations, but the ATF definitely factors in. For instance, suppressors/silencers are heavily regulated by the ATF. But they're defined as things meant to / easily adaptable to reducing the report of a firearm. A suppressor on a muzzle loader isn't a suppressor to the ATF, unless it's removable and easily adaptable to a firearm. Sooooo, we had some pretty fun black powder rifles that had suppressors built in as part of the barrel. ATF couldn't do anything about it (well, without ignoring or redefining the law like they usually do). All that to say... Making sure it has nothing to do with the ATF is sometimes the point.
@Jok3r00
10 ай бұрын
@@D_Booneanything firearm related is atf responsibility according to them even laws
@christianterrill3503
10 ай бұрын
It's fucked up the ATF just changes their minds they aren't even legally supposed to be able to set up guidelines or laws they are simple to enforce laws and taxes. They shouldn't even be making these regulations just enforcing them.
@sinappanis
10 ай бұрын
The Smith carbine was a rifle. It was a breach loaded rifle. This is claiming to be a muzzle loader. These are 2 different things. The whole point of this video is talking about it being classified as a muzzle loader.
@ditchdigger93
2 жыл бұрын
As long as you have to ram the bullet down the barrel from the (Muzzle) it is a Muzzleloader. I don't think you're going to have to worry about the new Firestick propellent charges very long, if it bothers you. They are stupid expensive and really not all that much easier or practical and I'll be willing to bet they go away very soon.
@myrlc4623
11 ай бұрын
I guess you're surprised to see that the Traditions Nitrofire muzzleloader is still around a year later since you said it wouldn't be around long. As a matter of fact, they're so popular they're on back order in most stores.
@ditchdigger93
11 ай бұрын
@@myrlc4623 I guess I stand corrected. I'm sure not against them. Just pretty expensive to feed them was my point.
@leecrumble3921
11 ай бұрын
@@ditchdigger93 I personally don't like them you can't tailor loads and only have the 1 brand of firestick. It's not any easier to load then a couple pellets down the barrel, I mean you are already putting the bullet in the muzzle anyways.
@ditchdigger93
11 ай бұрын
@@leecrumble3921 Just saw an add for them priced at $28.00 per five rounds. That's my main reason for not going for that. Makes for an awful expensive day at the range.
@leecrumble3921
11 ай бұрын
@ditchdigger93 I hear you. I use t7 powder $55 canadian a pound.
@rre9121
11 ай бұрын
9:02 Anything more than minimum compliance is self regulation.
@qoph1988
10 ай бұрын
Words to live by
@spartus1128
10 ай бұрын
Amen
@psibug565
10 ай бұрын
Funny how being an adult is self regulation. I’d like to see more self regulation and less actual regulation but maybe that’s just me?
@arthurmoore9488
10 ай бұрын
@@psibug565 True, but one of the large problems is when you have actual regulation that doesn't make sense. The "assault weapons ban" mentioned in the video is an excellent example. There are always three parts to any regulation. Rules as written, what the drafter said it would do, and what the drafter wants it to do. Ideally all three are the same, but firearms and technology seem to always have none of them match. Either through ignorance or ulterior motives.
@DanielLCarrier
10 ай бұрын
@@arthurmoore9488 The problem here is that it makes sense. It's just arbitrary. They don't want too many people hunting during that time, so they limit them to inconvenient weapons. But the details of why it's inconvenient don't matter, and exactly how inconvenient it needs to be isn't obvious. So now they're wondering if the most convenient form of a generally inconvenient weapon is sufficiently inconvenient.
@dennisb1224
Жыл бұрын
There are decreasing numbers of hunters and not enough deer are being taken each year. Michigan, for example, is allowing modern firearms use during muzzleloading season in 1/3 of the state just to get more hunters out in the field. Although I don’t use these, this makes cleaning much easier, especially if no shot is taken. The cleaning process is the biggest reason hunters don’t like muzzleloading.
@nerd1000ify
11 ай бұрын
People killed off most of the natural predators (i.e. wolves) so we find ourselves with our ecosystems out of balance. While re-introducing them is a lofty goal, it's also not possible in a lot of cases e.g. because they have too much impact on agriculture. In places without much of a hunting culture or commercial harvest (e.g. Australia, where I live) it's often necessary for the government to pay contractors to go out and do population control on the larger grazers, especially if they are introduced species (like deer and horses, in our case).
@CaptRR
10 ай бұрын
I use to hunt when I was younger. We were a poor rural family and dear fed us through the winter. As I have gotten older, and more financially secure, its not something that really interests me. I don't enjoy shooting other living things, and preparing the carcus is defiantly not something I ever got any pleasure out of. For me it was just something that had to be done in order to have meat January - April. I don't begrudge someone who enjoys it, or even gets utility out of it, and I always encourage responsible hunters whenever I see them, but as we have become a more city orientated country I think you will continue to see hunting decline as a recreation.
@sinisterthoughts2896
10 ай бұрын
@@CaptRR it's a shame, but i agree.
@caseyb1346
10 ай бұрын
The other issue is the lack of public land that you can hunt on in general. If you live in a city (like 80% of Americans do now) you'd have to drive up to 100 miles to go hunt. With the cost of gas you could've just went and bought some venison from the butcher.
@nicmainville9954
10 ай бұрын
Hunting predators and bucks only are the two biggest reasons for exploding deer populations. Every state I've been to has an unhealthy ratio of does to bucks and few predators to speak of to deal with the excess number of does and fawns.
@dustyak79
11 ай бұрын
I’m a traditionalist muzzleloader hunter. But when I hear “loophole “ that just illicits a negative tone to most audiences these days. They had breech loading non metallic cap or flint ignited firearms back in the day. It’s not my cup of tea but I’m not going to drag someone else’s rights away just cause I don’t like it. I don’t see those engineers thinking about “how do I work around this law?” to me they just took up where the old inventor’s left off .
@sinisterthoughts2896
10 ай бұрын
agreed on all points.
@kynaston1474
10 ай бұрын
This guy is what we call in the business "controlled opposition".
@raidzeromatt
10 ай бұрын
I don't care what kind of technology muzzle loader use, but they should still have a separate season for bows only Just more proof that F&G never know wtf they're doing
@dragonhealer7588
10 ай бұрын
"Loophole" triggers me too. You tell us what that law is, and we engineer to comply with the law, and Karen's scream "we don't want you making that, we passed a law!" We show how we complied and they call it a "loophole" SMH
@dustyak79
10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhealer7588 “Gun show loop hole” is my biggest peeve. I’m 43 and have gone to gun shows since I could walk with my dad. The vast vast majority of people taking guns to sell/trade are hunting rifles maybe a few ar 15s since they are more common but they make it sound like any felon can easily buy gun of their choice in minutes. The ATF is routinely at every show as well
@JoeSyxpack
10 ай бұрын
So far as I'm aware most inline muzzleloaders can be unloaded through the breach. It's one of the advantages of the design. The Firestick is just a complication, not to mention an added expense. As far as I'm aware it offers no real advantage over standard inline other than to get people huffy about what appears to be a cartridge that gets inserted in the breach. Also, the "gun worm" images you showed aren't for removing the projectile, they're for removing the patch. You need a bullet puller to remove the projectile, the patch worm will just break if you try to screw it into lead. I'm adverse to your use of the term "loophole". If gun manufacturers alter their designs to make them compliant with the law they're not abusing anything, they're simply following the law.
@Kyle-sr6jm
10 ай бұрын
...and we all know how once the ATF approves a design they NEVER reverse their opinion later.
@johncaccamo
10 ай бұрын
“Loopholes”… the term has unfortunately been morphed into a negative and pejorative term used to describe “getting away with breaking the law on a technicality”, when this isnt what it used to mean. In this case, the firestick, like the forearm brace, forced reset trigger, and other otherwise creative innovations were all specifically designed to fit legally inside the letter and spirit of firearms laws, making them indeed, loopholes.
@WarblesOnALot
10 ай бұрын
@@johncaccamo G'day, You're almost correct. A Loophole Was/is the Concealed/camouflaged Orifice..., through which and behind from whence Snipers endeavour to Kill their Targets. Between WW-1 and WW-2, the idea arose of Carefully Crafting a Legal Theory, Aiming to make a finely calculated Claim, at Law, by Utilising some perceived Gap in any Legislation, which Enables one to Remain within the LETTER of the Law, While Shitting from a great height, Onto the SPIRIT, of Whatever Legislation, the "Loophole" is Perceived to exist Within. Hence "Loophole Theory"..., Arose & became popular. And if one considers the Biblical Prohibition against Usury..., There is always the Deuteronomy Loophole....(!). Whereby Godtheory prohibits Charging or paying Interest on Loans, because "No man should charge Interest against their Brother..." To which the Talmudic Chamber of Commerce replied, Fine, all Jews can have Interest-free Loans, But all the Goyim will pay through the nose... And then Jesus said, "All men are brothers, The Deuteronomy Loophole is Bullshit !" And Mohamed agreed with Jesus. But then the Christians wanted to be Different to the Moslems, so they Adopted the Deuteronomy Loophole..., too. Bump-Stock Triggers, which Enable Semi-Sutomatic Firearms to Operate at Cyclic-Fire rates Equivalent to those of the Mil.Spec. Fully Automatic versions of the Same Weapons.... Shoot through Loopholes in the Law. This Breech-fed "Muzzle-Loader" Appears to be A fairly Typical example of AmeriKan Loophole Marketing Jism. Talking arrant nonsense & pure Bullshit, wall to wall And ten feet tall, Then Affecting confected Pearl-clutching "Outrage" When called out on their Bullshit Content. These things are Designed to Permit Breechloading Gunners to Continue to Hunt after the Breechloading "Season" Finishes...; Without the Breach loading "Hunter" ever needing to Learn How to safely use an Actual Muzzle-Loader, in order to actually Comply with the SPIRIT of the Law. Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@rokronroff
10 ай бұрын
@@WarblesOnALotWhy would you format your comment like this? It's sadistic.
@WarblesOnALot
10 ай бұрын
@@rokronroff G'day, Nope, Not "sadistic' At all. Look up "Free Verse" & "Blank Verse". And if ye Thunk that ALL Poetry must rhyme All the thyme With purrrfuct rhythm & metre, Then please feel free To backtrack Moi....(!), Unto my "Warbles In The Wilderness...." Playlist. Fair warning...., In 1997, the Environment Centre, Armidale Appointed me To be Their Poet-In-Residence.... Whereinat, a month later, I was made aware that Thus, I had literally Replaced Judith Wright.... (Australia's first Recognised (White) Poet, To address Aboriginal Land Rights, Dispossession, & Environmental Destruction.... You, Whinging about Me Expressing myself via Poetry....; Has all the "Impact", of King Canute trying to Command the Tide to cease to Rise.... Stand down, ye Pathetic Pusillanimous Pissant.... And ponder what other people have to say, Rather than Whining because your considering the PRESENTATION of my Ponderings, is a burdensome Strain, Upon your Brain... Is that Right ? There there, Nivertheemoind... Perhaps, One day, Ye MIGHT Grow out of such Ignorant arrogant hubristic Delusions...(?). Thyme will tell, And the Thymes, they be A' Changeling...(!). Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368
3 жыл бұрын
I love how varied the topics are on this channel.
@alancranford3398
10 ай бұрын
Speaking of rule breakers, the original Sharps breechloaders using linen or paper cartridges and separate caps are "muzzle loaders" in some US states, but not all.
@wampuscat1831
10 ай бұрын
😅It will be buy tags ,pick up a box of deer meat .
@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus
10 ай бұрын
@@wampuscat1831 do you know how much they charge for deer meat? I know families that survive off of hunting, even more so these days.
@off6848
10 ай бұрын
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus I'm from Louisiana hunting and fishing all my life and I had a gf from Philly one time wanted to hunt and skin a Muskrat and it dawned on me that I had never done that whole process before I just killed shit and gave it to someone else. I felt a deep sense of shame come over me like I wasn't primitive and manly enough to be with this chick.
@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus
10 ай бұрын
@@off6848 sounds like that girl could bare you some fine off spring, even if she’s a yankee. I’ve got family that’s been hunting down where you are at for generations, they still speak a little French even. They showed me how to gut, clean and butcher just about anything on this planet, I was always more of a cook than a hunter compared to them. I was always big into charcuterie like my great uncle and grand father were, it’s funny since Iam the first in a generation to take it up and be interested in the subject, funnier still since I’ve been told I take after my grandfather in a lot of ways apparently. The guy LOVED fine cheese like I do while most of my kin can’t stand most of it. That being said, my time down there and my time doing all that has taught me that the two things folk tend to shy away from if they hunt is processing and finer cooking for some reason. Iam glad you are getting into it. If I have my say in anything I’ll have a smoking shed and a dry shed built by this time next year. Learned a lot of tricks for hunting up in Wisconsin and Illinois back in the early 2000s, it nearly cost my a couple finger tips mid winter but I’d say it was worth it, they got families that have been pretty much subsistence hunting and gathering for generations up there, same as Louisiana and Mississippi.
@jonathonschram3429
10 ай бұрын
I bought one of these for my son. It's much, much easier for him to unload then digging a 209 primer out...and it's super easy for me to see that it is indeed clear/safe at a glance. Haven't taken a deer with it yet (muzzleloader season here in Nebraska doesn't open for a few more weeks. No worries about leaving it loaded and the corrosion/misfires that can come about from this practice during our 1 month long ML season either. I'm going to use my .58 flinter and he's going to use the Traditions. Called Nebraska Game & Parks...and they just seemed excited that someone under 40 was getting into muzzleloading and they told me not to worry even though it hadn't been 'approved yet. Seems like a worthwhile 'innovation' to get people affeild, even if the technology is really about 150 years old. It's not even what I would consider a loophole as you still have to seat the bullet in the traditional manner. Same people b****ing about the firestick are the same people who railed against in-lines 30 years ago. Those in-lines have probably driven more people into traditional muzzleloaders then anything else in the last 70 years.
@Coconut-219
11 ай бұрын
The engineers accidentally 're-invented' two part ammunition. Didn't know about firesticks, but I was aware of this sort of concept from the self-contained propellant blocks separate from the projectile used in alot of modern British tanks.
@magnemoe1
11 ай бұрын
Many tanks and 155 mm guns uses it today. modern 5" naval guns are one piece because of auto-loaders wile the WW 2 5" was two parts. Tanks with auto-loaders tend to go the other way. because they are cramped.
@oneproudbrowncoat
10 ай бұрын
Paper cartridges.
@allangibson8494
10 ай бұрын
Paper cartridges… paper replaced with plastic…
@5roundsrapid263
11 ай бұрын
Some states allow single-shot rifles chambered in straight-walled cartridges for primitive hunting.
@johncaccamo
10 ай бұрын
Ohio has “gun hunting” and “archery hunting”, where “gun” means straight walled cartridges above .357 or shotgun and “archery” means bow or crossbow. But there are different dates for gun, archery, and muzzleloading hunts.
@geneard639
11 ай бұрын
Southern, family has a few guns and cannon that are all muzzle loading. Its easy to make a loading block. Makes reloading a gun easy and quick, and if you use some good grease its rain resistant.
@211212112
9 ай бұрын
The way we unloaded an unused charge was by looking for a target and firing at it. One gets practice shooting and loading that way, gets to test the gun and shot regularly, and it unloads the gun. 😊
@williammagoffin9324
11 ай бұрын
Reminds me a bit of the Weihrauch EL-54 gas boosted air rifle. Rather than spraying an aerosol in to the firing chamber you inserted a glass ampule of ether in to a reservoir on the side, pulled back on the charging lever with filled the firing chamber with gas so when pulled the trigger a spring piston would ignite the gas and fire the rifle.
@erict3728
10 ай бұрын
Hmm, reminds me of the concept of "dieseling" with a pellet gun. The disadvantage of dieseling is the unpredictable combustion and therefore pressure, sending your projectile on an unpredictable arc. I wonder if the ether ampoule suffered the same drawback
@williammagoffin9324
10 ай бұрын
@@erict3728 No idea. Possible it used some kind of regulator to keep the amount of gas in the chamber equal for each shot. The optimal way to keep consistency would be to use a solid propellant rather than a gas, as in the Daisy VL. The home made gas guns used in Myanmar years ago didn't seem to have any kind of regulator. It kinda comes down to do you want power or do you want consistency?
@iotaje1
10 ай бұрын
@@erict3728Knowing Weihrauch it was accurate.
@Sgt_SealCluber
11 ай бұрын
"Black Powder vs Smokeless", "Rifled vs Smooth Bore." These have a greater effect on the firing characteristics of a firearm than "Muzzleloader vs Breach Loader." I would imagine the "Primitive Hunting" season regulations generally care more about rate of fire and effective range of a firearm than it being a "Muzzleloader". (Edit) By "Rate of fire" I'm talking about what the regulators (somewhat ignorant) intent is, not what actually matters for hunting since hunters want to take down game in a single shot.
@alexsawicki
10 ай бұрын
You assume the people making the regulations actually understand hunting or firearms, even a little bit. Given the way that most firearm regulations work... That's probably a rather generous assumption.
@rustyshakleford5230
10 ай бұрын
My state of New York has some of the most stringent regulations in the world when it comes to firearms. We actually just introduced background checks for ammunition so you have to pay $5 for a background check to buy a $3 box of 22s. That being said we have some of the most lax hunting regulations in regards to muzzleloaders. My muzzleloader started life as a Thompson Center encore in 45/70 and I had a guy named Jeff Hankins tap the chamber for a breechplug converting it into a smokeless muzzleloader. With that simple conversion that only costs about $500 I now have a muzzleloader that has more than 500 yards of range and because of the smokeless powder and bullets sized exactly to my bore I can reload within 15 seconds sitting at the bench. A lot of states don't allow modern muzzleloaders in their primitive seasons but New York allows scopes and just about anything else as long as it's a muzzleloader.
@qoph1988
10 ай бұрын
Regulations are dumb as hell, more at 7:00
@alphakevin687
10 ай бұрын
Maybe, but muzzle loading has the benefit that it can be defined very clearly (bullet enters the same hole that it exits from).
@Sgt_SealCluber
10 ай бұрын
@@alphakevin687 The problem is, the only thing being muzzle loaded affects is fire rate., which is a fine distinction if that's all a special hunting season rules care about. But I'm positive that's not the case since hunters aim to take down game in 1 clean (ethical) shot. I'm positive the special hunting seasons actually care about the accuracy of the firearm, as less accurate firearms will naturally limit the amount of game hunted. Like he states in the video, black powder is susceptible to moisture and inconsistent powder load, thus lowering it's effective accuracy. A clear and simple definition that meets the goal of the special hunting season would be: "A firearm that uses non-cased black powder." There isn't really a good way around that definition in terms of preventing the drawbacks of black powder like there is with "muzzle loader" or "black powder muzzle loader".
@BertRowe-b3l
10 ай бұрын
@ 4:55: Potassium nitrate is NOT hygroscopic. However, cheap or poorly refined potassium nitrate may be contaminated with sodium nitrate and/or calcium nitrate, both of which ARE hygroscopic. It is unlikely that any modern commercial black powder is hygroscopic.
@gregkerr725
10 ай бұрын
I retailed and later wholesaled muzzloaders from the mid 80's through the early 2000's. In watching the development of technology over the years to in-line slam fired rifles, break barrel guns, recessed muzzles for ease of loader, primer tech going from no. 11 cap...musket cap, 209 shotgun primers, real black powder to synthetics like Pyrodex to pelletized synthetic powder and finally lead round balls and minie balls to sabotted bullets, I used to joke that it was only a matter of time until someone re-invented the self contained primed cartridge that loaded from the breech! We're getting closer!!!
@Parents_of_Twins
9 ай бұрын
Why is the 54 cal no longer as common?
@TheActionBastard
10 ай бұрын
The most important questions I have are "what are we doing" and "why are we doing it" in regards to laws governing this thing. It seems like the "what" is obvious: handicap the shooter to increase challenge. If this is the case then I would question those who feel the firestick is somehow wrong. Paper cartridge. The process of using other measuring devices is similarly rapid. The whole charge powder and slap primer on does not feel like the bit that's handicapping anyone. In every demonstration I've ever seen of someone remotely proficient with a powder measuring system beyond "dump about ye much in" the powder dump segment takes up a few seconds at most and the bullet ramming bit of that whole thing is the hard part. I'm not going to be persuaded that the firestick dramatically changes the equation the way a self contained cartridge would, but... to be fair... even that difference is fairly small in the scheme of things it just removes skill from the equation.
@TheCharleseye
10 ай бұрын
Pre-measured powder pellets have been around for awhile, now. Measuring already doesn't have to exist if you don't want it to. Drop the number of pellets needed to hit your charge number, ram the projectile home, and prime. It's plenty quick. Dare I say, as fast as loading this rifle.
@callsignapollo_
10 ай бұрын
@@TheCharleseyemy thoughts exactly. My father used to carry pre-measured charges in film canisters, as a slightly more resilient form of paper charges. Said the tiny amount of prep went a long way and at the end of the day, he felt that if he had missed his shot more than 4 times in a day he wasn't getting that buck anyway. The handicap is still very much there and there's not much mechanical skill lost in not guessing your powder charge in the field. He stopped deer hunting in favor of hunting birds with the rest of the family, and never fails to mention how much less hassle it is to unload shells instead of pulling a ball when you lose your shot and call it a day lol
@justforever96
10 ай бұрын
Small correction, i believe they had conical bullets available before the minie style, they were just much harder to load and had to be engraved to the rifling. They could only be used in rifled arms, while balls would work in either, but not as well in a rifled gun. The minie was only a thing in the mid 19th century. Before that it was morally just round ball.
@x00xero00x
10 ай бұрын
I don't know if I would call it a loophole. It is similar to a flintlock, but instead of loading gun power at both ends, the fire stick is only loaded at the rear.
@WapTek123
2 жыл бұрын
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@Walter-wo5sz
10 ай бұрын
This system is very similar to the Smith calvary carbine used in the 1860s. It used a rubber tube that held powder and bullet. It used a traditional percussion cap on a side hammer nipple. A small hole in the tube allowed it to fire. Since this dates to the civil war I'd call it a traditional weapon not a loophole.
@wingracer1614
10 ай бұрын
That's not a muzzle loader, it's a breech loader. This is sort of a loophole because while powder and primer are breach loaded, you still have to ram the bullet down the muzzle, thus a muzzle loader.
@Walter-wo5sz
10 ай бұрын
Technically correct, but the ATF allows reproductions of this gun to be sold as a muzzleloader. Im not going to tell them any different.@@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614
10 ай бұрын
@@Walter-wo5sz oops, nevermind. Thought you were talking about something else.
@WillyK51
10 ай бұрын
If you use a 40 cal CVA break barrel, ream out/chamber reamer, the rear of the barrel for 410 shotshell. load the 410 shell with blackpowder/wad/carboard. After chambered, ram a 40 cal down the bore. It's a muzzleloader
@crayolascents
10 ай бұрын
I thought the point of muzzle loading was doing a nostalgia hunt? Once they started making inlines quite a few years ago I wondered where it was all going. I've never fired a muzzle loader but have always wanted to; something about a Kentucky Rifle or Hawkins using flintlock that I'd really groove to.
@discodan3367
9 ай бұрын
I just want to say that I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL. The "Great Gate of Kiev" opening combined with your presentation and how you put the videos together, in addition to the subject matter is absolutely fantastic. BRAVO, good sir. The Cabinet of Curiosities most certainly has my attention. I wish I would have found it sooner, but I am glad to have found it regardless.
@lohikarhu734
11 ай бұрын
"Primitive " - that compound bow has more pulleys and cables than one of those old bucket loaders!
@Treblaine
11 ай бұрын
I do like that you can load a projectile down a bore that has absolutely no powder or even primer. It's very dangerous working around the front of the muzzle, I know you can theoretically make it safe with the presumption that the powder charge could never ignite but it's not absolutely safe.
@sinisterthoughts2896
10 ай бұрын
that seems like a mighty fine hair your trying to split. powder does not spontaneously detonate, so, yeah, it is safe, as long as you don't prime the gun first, which user error and the same level of stupid could be applied to the firestick or anything else.
@Treblaine
10 ай бұрын
@@sinisterthoughts2896 I'm not talking about anything as spurious as "spontaneous" ignition, only unintended ignition. I don't think you know much about this, you refer to the burning of black powder as a detonation. I am well aware that it can often be hard to intentionally ignite black powder, I also know from fatal fireworks explosions they absolutely can ignite despite no apparent source of ignition. I have worked with industry experts and while they do everything to prevent an ignition the plan you need to plan for a fire and the plan cannot be "well if there is a fire death is certain" Look, I am not criticising you for using a traditional muzzle loader, but when you are loading the bullet down the bore above a full load of black powder you don't have the muzzle pointed at your head the entire time do you? You try at least to keep as most of your body parts away from the line of fire were there to be an inadvertent ignition... RIGHT?!?
@PilotTed
10 ай бұрын
@@sinisterthoughts2896Not necessarily, as if you had fired before loading, the powder could ignite from ant remaining burning embers in the bore. It's why you need to clean out the bore before reloading.
@HiredGun5
10 ай бұрын
Please show me anything that is absolutely 100% safe after getting out of your recliner. Walking across the room your recliner is in? NOPE! Might accidentally kick something and break a toe. Got kids around the house? Might step on or trip over one of their small toys. The ONLY thing that is absolutely 100% safe is staying where you are and never moving.
@Treblaine
10 ай бұрын
@@HiredGun5 We're not talking about a non-zero chance of you banging your toe (which won't break at walking speed) we're talking about blowing a body part off instantly with no chance to respond to escalating danger. Now if you get out of your recliner and find you're staring down the barrel of a gun, can the perpetrator excuse themselves "i put you at no greater risk, you were also at risk of kicking something hard" is that a valid excuse??!? NO! If you can't do it to other people how can it be okay to do it to yourself. PS: it is absolutely NOT safe to never move, I've had relatives who did that and they ended up severely disabled as their muscles waste away and bones atrophy. Movement is necessary for the basic level of health needed for healthy function.
@Darthdoodoo
10 ай бұрын
You can get muzzle loader shotgun conversions that are basically a thick milled steel shotgun shell brass section that takes primers to make a break action shotgun into a muzzle loader. They also have sleeves that convert the 12 guage shotgun to other calibers like 9mm or 22. U would have to get the expensive long ones with rifling to be accurate but its fine for survival situations but its a good idea
@rollotomasislawyer3405
10 ай бұрын
Why couldn’t you use a high brass 3.5 inch 12ga. Or 10ga. case, and a patched 70 cal. round ball loaded over it from the muzzle?
@bensigl3766
10 ай бұрын
@rollotomasislawyer3405 I believe Dave Canterbury has a VERY similar strategy tjat he's done several videos on if you're interested. He converts a 12ga break-action into a muzzleloader and also shows how to load standard shells with black powder for them as well.
@dj1NM3
10 ай бұрын
I guess that this is what happens when laws are prescriptive, rather than descriptive, so there is a "black and white" written list of features something can (or can't) have to fit into a category? Something similar happened with "firearms" (not defined as pistols, shotguns, nor rifles) which are (what I would describe as) pistol shotguns which are at least 26 inches in length, which have no way to attach any sort of shoulder stock and somehow meet the letter of USA firearms laws for non-NFA items, but are obviously "thumbing their nose" at them. The Mossberg Shockwave and Fostech Origin-12 are examples of these "Honestly Guv, it's not a pistol/short-barrelled shotgun and regulated under the NFA." type of firearms.
@bigghoss762
10 ай бұрын
First we need to focus on why muzzleloader season exists and what it's trying to accomplish. My understanding is it's essentially removing the chance of taking follow-up shots on an animal if you miss. They also limit your effective range. Is this reducing your reload time enough that you would miss and be able to reload and take another shot before the animal runs away. I doubt it but I'm not very informed on the topic so I can't answer it for certain. It doesn't seem like it offers a whole lot over the old paper cartridges other than being more weather resistant.
@Nebsgame
10 ай бұрын
It’s not a loophole because the original law or regulations allow it, a bullet will only ever be loaded from the muzzle of the muzzle loader
@wendillowen7891
10 ай бұрын
At that point it takes the enjoyment and nostalgia oof using a muzzle loader they can keep their firestix thank you very much
@widowmaker7831
10 ай бұрын
Something you may or may not know about muzzle loaders. A muzzleloader is not considered a firearm because it does not use an ignition system to fire projectiles. Instead, it relies on manual loading of gunpowder and projectiles into the muzzle of the barrel before each shot, thereby distinguishing it from modern firearms. This is why they are not regulated like firearms also.
@JasonMitchellofcompsci
10 ай бұрын
The assault weapons ban was a case where the law was loopholeing more than the people in terms of using technicalities to skirt around any reasonable intent. It made guns that were functionally identical either an item with especial legal protections or an item with especial legal ramifications.
@randallhoward3231
10 ай бұрын
That's a pretty cool idea, but I like my Remington 700ML. I had a job operating a mini end mill machine. The little milling tools came clear plastic tubes with vinyl push on caps. I saved about twenty of them. I weigh my Triple 7 powder on a scale and pour it in the tubes. I can put four .44 XTP bullets in .50 cal. sabots in a tube.They fit like that was the original purpose of the tube. When I get ready to hunt, I drop all my ammo in a shirt pocket and "do like a cabbage and head". By the way, my Remington 700ML has a 209 conversion kit from Badger Ridge, in Fostoria, Michigan. They also have a kit for the Ruger 77. You can order the kit and instructions or send your bolt to them and let them do the conversion. Tubes similar to the ones I mentioned can be ordered from U.S. Plastic Corp. Thanks for letting me use your platform for giving fellow hunters some info.
@helbent4
10 ай бұрын
Not being an expert I would say for a muzzle-loader the bullet and powder must be inserted through the muzzle and maybe the primer needs to be completely separate from the powder? Like, not in line?
@DanielLCarrier
10 ай бұрын
If you really want a technicality, Bullet Storm comes to mind. It's technically a muzzleloader, but you can load multiple rounds at once and fire them at whatever rate you want. I have a feeling they wouldn't allow that though.
@Zbigniew_Nowak
11 ай бұрын
An interesting system, but it is a classic example of an "invention" that was created due to legal constraints rather than to solve a real engineering problem. :D I also once invented a "small arms" to help bypass legal restrictions. Even the weapons manufacturer said my idea was good. But I'm not particularly proud of it, because it's just the "ingenuity" dictated to overcome the regulations ;)
@sinisterthoughts2896
10 ай бұрын
I think it's purely a gimmick. it does not in any way get near let alone around any legal issue. it's just a way to sell an "easy" muzzleloader to people who are afraid of muzzleloading. they are just selling prepackaged measured powder, which is what scares a lot of novices, measuring the powder wrong, it also takes out capping, which makes neophytes flinch. it's basically babies first muzzleloader, or the easy bake muzzle loader. it isn't really any faster than most in-lines, and the only edge you will gain over a tradition sidelock is the time to cap the nipples, which is a couple of seconds. it isn't like people are going to get follow up shots with this rifle they couldn't have with any other muzzleloader. there is nothing wrong with introductory models, but these rifles would be a handicap to anybody who wanted to learn about muzzleloaders and provide no real advantages over other models. they just lock people into a very overpriced proprietary ecosystem.
@derrickbonsell
10 ай бұрын
Breechloading firearms are actually almost as old as muzzleloaders. The reason they never took off in mass usage until the 19th century is because manufacturing techniques were quite primitive. You had to ensure that the breech wouldn't explode in the face of the user and in most cases having a fixed breech, and thus a muzzleloader, was more useful than marginally faster reloading.
@jasonchatham4170
10 ай бұрын
‘This is my BOOMSTICK!!’ 😅. Today I learned this exists
@mikehenthorn79
10 ай бұрын
It is not abusing a loop hole. It is taking advantage of a loop hole.
@idaho_girl
8 ай бұрын
Idaho requirements for muzzle loading seasons is that the power must be loose and poured in through the muzzle. There is also a requirement for non-optical/telescopic sights. Several years ago, there was a push to go further to allow only traditional sidelock percussion cap or flint-lock mechanisms but that was rescinded after one season. I prefer to hunt with my sidelock percussion cap Kentucky rifle.
@coffeegator6033
10 ай бұрын
I never knew "flash in the pan" came from that. I always assumed it was a reference to panning gold as just being a flash in the pan rather than gold.
@davidgipson7140
10 ай бұрын
I thought i heard someone state that as well. They both could line up in time. Considering the time its hard to prove since many things were passed by word of mouth instead of writing. Meaning written proof doesnt mean first or only use... both make sense.
@trioptimum9027
10 ай бұрын
@@davidgipson7140 The trouble with that theory is that we do have lots of early citations, and the earliest are describing something that happens with firearms. It's technical jargon first, and *then* it becomes a figure of speech. So we know pretty clearly where that figure of speech comes from. (Now, your more poetical sort of writer on mining absolutely does go and apply the already-existing figure of speech to a different kind of flash in a different kind of pan, once panning for gold becomes a matter of interest to the English-speaking public, yes! Your instincts are good there. But we can be quite certain that the term comes from flintlocks, not from mining.)
@davidgipson7140
9 ай бұрын
@trioptimum9027 why didn't you cite any documents since you absolutely know? When I know for sure I back it up.
@Jett-dd9tk
4 ай бұрын
@@davidgipson7140The term has been used liberally in print for centuries, perhaps you should read more.
@Dr_Wrong
9 ай бұрын
"Breaking the Law" with firearms, is using a firearm in the commission of a crime. There is no rational relationship between 'possession' and 'criminal intent'.
@RT42069
9 ай бұрын
Here in PA there are actually 2 seperate muzzleloader seasons. One in the fall, where any muzzleloader can be used (caplock, inline, etc) and one in winter where only flintlocks are allowed
@OpenCarryUSMC
10 ай бұрын
It’s NOT “loophole abuse” it’s FOLLOWING THE LAW
@calvingreene90
11 ай бұрын
I'll continue using my waxed paper cartridges.
@Subgunman
10 ай бұрын
I would worry about the charge and bullet. When loading a muzzle loader one is to ram the bullet tight up against the powder charge. With this fire stick technology there is actually a gap between the powder charge and bullet. As for my personal black powder arm, it a Thompson Center Encore. It is a break open barrel that has a breech plug and a hole for a shotgun 209 style primer. I use Pyrodex pellets so there is no loose powder and the bullet sits on top of the charge. Should I have the need to disarm the charge, all that is required is to remove the primer, unscrew the breach plug, drop out the pellets and ram out the bullet from the breech. Even with the max recommended load of 150 grains of RS Black powder or pellets, I have no issue with accuracy. It’s perfect for deer out to about 75 yards which I have tested. Another advantage of this frame is that since it was originally registered as a pistol frame I can disassemble the black powder barrel from the frame and attach a shotgun barrel and use it as a shotgun or by replacing the stock with a pistol grip and then attaching a pistol barrel to the frame it’s a single shot pistol. One of the few frames that can legally be assembled to the configuration I need. If it was originally registered as a shotgun or rifle, no bueno, no pistola. This information I obtained directly from Thompson Center Arms customer support when I provided them with the serial number. Way before they sold out to S&W.
@chinablue1699
10 ай бұрын
There is just no comparison , the flintlock is so much more awesome to look at .
@sgtrock68
10 ай бұрын
It may not be "traditional", I may agree with that statement, but as far as what it actually changes or if there is an unfair advantage...unless your game is mentally defective or you are in the middle of a pre Civil War sized herd, you're not going to get a second shot on your game. Solid charge pellets have been around long enough that they're kinda on their way to being traditional. Making prefab paper powder/patch/ball/patch is historically accurate and I would say just as fast and very traditional...except where I use Jumbo hand rolling papers, probably. Also, as a final note, I would say that it was the "assault weapons ban" that was an abuse of the second amendment of The Constitution.
@SavageFoxProductions
10 ай бұрын
Say you're an anti-gunner without actually saying you're an anti-gunner. Host: loopholes, pushing the boundaries of illegal, skirting the law.
@guillermoelnino
9 ай бұрын
Also known as perfectly legal.
@tinkertalksguns7289
10 ай бұрын
This reminds me of a project I did a few years back that I called the 'post-modern muzzle-loader.' It uses a .312 bore but the chamber accepts a Ramset .22 blank. The cartridge is breech-loaded but the ball has to be rammed down the bore. Since the propellant and primer are self-contained this is not considered a 'primitive weapon' for hunting purposes (even if it were powerful enough for any but the smallest game.) Anyway I did not make it for any practical purpose; I just wanted to see how it worked. There's a video on my channel if you are interested.
@scottybell2060
10 ай бұрын
This is a classic case of everybody wanting to call something a loophole. This is in no way shape or form a loophole. Not even close. This is simply legal 100% legal. The inventors found a way to get other people involved in the sport of muzzleloading. The round to this rifle is still loaded through the muzzle. This is not a loophole at all not one bit
@jacobstaten2366
10 ай бұрын
There's really nothing stopping you from buying two, drilling out that ring, and thin gluing the bullet to the end of the fire stick. You can always produce the unaltered rifle if someone suspects you have tampered with it.
@rustygunner8282
10 ай бұрын
Or, quit trying to outsmart yourself, spend less money on a centerfire rifle, and just hunt with the appropriate legal weapon for each season.
@jacobstaten2366
10 ай бұрын
@@rustygunner8282 I didn't say I was going to do it, just that it was possible and pretty cheap. The animals they're trying to handicap hunters for are overpopulating as it is, and if someone intends to eat the meat, I don't see anything wrong with it. There are also people who could benefit from a breach loading center fire rifle for other purposes.
@wingracer1614
10 ай бұрын
But why would anyone do it? Why risk a long time in jail over it? You would be way better off hunting illegally with a legal rifle than hunting legally but with an illegal rifle.
@jacobstaten2366
10 ай бұрын
@@wingracer1614 in both scenarios, it's hunting illegally. The likelihood that you would be stopped in the first place and to have someone question the weapon is slim to none. Telling them what it was when you bought it should be enough to deter them. Barring that, presenting them with the unaltered extra would probably satisfy a nosy game warden. The reason why it's illegal is the only difference. When it comes to the why for hunting only, it's simple convenience. It's highly unlikely that the amount of time it takes to reload would be the difference between catching or losing a wounded/missed animal. Depending on how expensive a given product is, the legal restrictions on buying a particular type of firearm versus another, or you plan on using the barrel for something else, it may actually be worth buying one of these and altering it. It's a workaround for a silly law in the first place, I'm just thinking of ways that it could be useful to someone else. Most states would require some kind of background check for a regular rifle, but not black powder. I'm not suggesting prohibited people should build their own firearms. However, it is legal to make your own firearms, and this alteration would bypass a background check and record of you owning a firearm. I'm not suggesting someone would do anything harmful with it, just that it's none of the government's business.
@wingracer1614
10 ай бұрын
@@jacobstaten2366 This is classified by ATF as a rifle, not a black powder muzzle loader so the purchasing requirements are exactly the same as a bolt action or lever action rifle. The only question is how is it classified by state hunting regulations.
@theoriginalOSOK
10 ай бұрын
The whole point of having a black powder - muzzle loader season is to allow for a challenge - an enjoyable retro way of hunting to extend the season. Trying to cheat and basically make the muzzle loader into a modern cartridge arm defeats the purpose and doesn't make sense to me for hunting. Now if you use these for recreation and just like more unique ways of shooting, the more power to you. I feel the same way about bows and cross bows.
@joshacollins84
10 ай бұрын
0:33 Thank you for that opening! That is the perfect way to start this video.
@SoloRenegade
10 ай бұрын
it doesn't matter if it's not a muzzle loader, it's legal to use and own either way.
@michaelbates1861
10 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t describe it as abusing a loophole as much as it is utilizing every angle of liberty still afforded American citizens.
@phillhuddleston9445
10 ай бұрын
If you have to load the bullet down the barrel it's a muzzle loader this isn't a loophole at all!
@Tanya-g6h
10 ай бұрын
The dates are not reserved for modern ammunition and arms, the dates reserved are for muzzle loaders. Muzzle loaders are still permitted during open season.
@TrapperAaron
5 ай бұрын
Just a note the worm is used to pull patches. The screw is the bullet puller. There is no way ur getting the thin wires of a worm into a lead ball.
@rong1924
10 ай бұрын
In a generally over regulated society, I appreciate the spirit of giving a middle finger to the regulatory agencies.
@CogentConsult
9 ай бұрын
“Weapon” is a term used by the military to describe a firearm that is used for killing human beings. When you talk about “firearms” that are used to hunt animals, the term “firearm” is preferred by those of us who hunt.
@boomstick4054
10 ай бұрын
It’s all about selling something, not a vast improvement. The inline Remington 700ML, keep your blackpowder premeasured in superglue tubes or kwik-shot tubes. Dump in the powder/chase with a bullet or patched ball/push on a cap. The shroud keeps the primer dry if you’ll use one. Not slower or less dependable than the Federal system, if you’re meticulous enough,,,, as you should be when upkeeping a blackpowder rifle or revolver. A Hawken or Kentucky Rifle is no different really, except the primer cap isn’t shrouded. I use grease on those.
@dleland71
9 ай бұрын
I have a CVA .50 cal in line which uses 209 shotgun primers OR a nipple/primer setup so it can be mad to shoot "primitive". it is also drilled for a rail (scope) or comes with iron sights parts. It is my first black powder rifle and being made of stainless steel was very easy to shoot and clean. The only 'bad' thing is it has a 1 in 28 twist, great for sabo slugs, but not so much for ball and patch. Recovered patches show how the ball is slow to start spin and it tears four little hols in the patch. Just for the record, rifles like the Hawken .50 used a 1 in 17 twist. Thanks for the video.
@donwyoming1936
10 ай бұрын
I feel like a dinosaur out there in primitive hunting season with a traditional. 54 cal Hawken. Everyone else has in-line rifles with scopes & sabot ammo. 🤠
@CaptRR
10 ай бұрын
Imagine how the traditional bow guys feel. They see everyone around with their carbon fiber, compound bows, with scopes, and probably wonder where the challenge is in that.
@CaptRR
10 ай бұрын
Is it a loophole? Yeah, probably, but I am not sure it really matters. Whats the goal of primitive hunting laws anyways? Usually its to increase the challenge, and/or slow down shooting speed. These things still slow you down, if you don't hit your first shot your going to have a hard time reloading in time to get a second. Also like someone else said, the rifled barrel, probably has a greater effect on difficulty than anything else.
@JoeSmith-cy9wj
10 ай бұрын
It comes to mind that why not a small load of appropriately regulated cordite without rim, loaded from the muzzle, would negate the moisture problems.
@callsignapollo_
10 ай бұрын
Check out things like pyrodex pellets, we very much have recreated the ww2 powder charges for artillery but in plasticized form
@greenlikeseafoamaaron3798
9 ай бұрын
I have no experience with muzzle loading or blackpowder, but in my mind, being able to remove the powder from the projectile before cleaning sounds much safer than sticking any sort of body part in front of a live barrel. As far as safety goes, these sound much safer. While it could potentially be an advantage in hunting, my perception on increased safety out weighs the potential cost of injury/life. Also just sounds like a fantastic entry method into the muzzle-loading scene. Would love to get some feedback from others.
@JamesHurlburt
9 ай бұрын
It's not really new either. Harry Pope built offhand match rifles around 1900-15 that used a cartridge for the powder and loaded the bullet from the muzzle. The rifles would have a false muzzle to get the bullet started to keep from damaging the rifling at the muzzle, and a slightly tapered bore, a teensy bit smaller at the muzzle than the breach. The rational was that the bullet would push any power fouling from the previous shot out of the rifling, making the later shots in the match more accurate. I doubt very much that those rifles had the ring to restrict the bullet, more likely either seated the bullet on the mouth of the cartridge or had a stop on the ramrod to put the bullet in the correct position. Pope wasn't the only really good gunsmith doing that, there was at least one more that used a different form of rifling and was a significant competitor. I believe they both used standard brass cases, probably with a carefully measured bit of wadding in the mouth of the cartridge to hold the powder in place. Just another example of a new twist on an old idea. Thanks for your videos Jim
@mackaygary
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information I think the best purpose for this type of technology is that if you could only have one rifle this would bridge the gap between modern cartridge and traditional muzzle loaders . only one powder but could be used as a rifle or shotgun with various projectiles for different game.
@jaywhittemore5878
9 ай бұрын
I don’t understand the debate. It’s called a muzzle loader but the gun is a breach loader other than the actual projectile.
@silvermediastudio
9 ай бұрын
I have always said "nay" on the Firestick for primitive/muzzleloader season. The spirit of this portion of the season is to maintain fair chase principles and promote the use of shorter range, non-modern weapons for hunting. Modern inline black powder rifles with pellets, sabots, and scopes have reached a point of being more accurate and equally as reliable as centerfire rifles from the early 20th century. I believe it is time we reel this back.
@lolihitler4198
9 ай бұрын
if youve got a problem with this you should have a problem with people using polymer composite bows instead of yew longbows
@silvermediastudio
9 ай бұрын
@@lolihitler4198 In some ways, yes I do -- *during primitive season.* I wouldn't exactly consider sporting a $3,000 Matthews carbon fiber Lift rig that has been expertly designed in CAD, refined and tuned using the greatest computational fluid dynamics methods, outfitted with range-finder/inclination sights, wearing Sitka's top of the line noise-reduction thermal gear that's been optimized in $50million-dollar anechoic chambers... "primitive." Everybody draws the line at spot lighting deer. Some people draw the line for fair chase at using thermal scopes and night vision (illegal in most states other than pest control). I draw the line for primitive a bit further towards using equipment that is actually old, or a faithful reproduction thereof.
@jagpilotohio
9 ай бұрын
Reminds me a bit of the “brace vs. stock” loophole. Those braces get damn close to a stock, but aren’t.
@StevenMayberry
10 ай бұрын
I do not like the term "loophole abuse". That has a negative connotation. Exploitation or another similar term would be more neutral. This is a great innovation, and I'm excited to see what future developments produce.
@skipmage
10 ай бұрын
If tax or fraud loophole abuse was pursued with the regularity and zeal firearms are we would be living in a much better world.
@fredrossi1334
9 ай бұрын
A whole new way to initiate a nap. Thanks for the information.
@tray22
10 ай бұрын
Totally missed a marketing opportunity by not calling this an F-Stick.
@samuelsullivan1574
10 ай бұрын
Call me a purist, but I feel like you are missing one of the most fun parts of black powder with the fire stick. The ability to change your entire round, piece by piece. Most of the black powder guys I hang out with are all from similar backgrounds I am. General contractors, mechanics, machinists... Tinkerers. I have a colt walker that has been modified to shoot powerbelts over 50 grains of pyrodex and uses #11 caps because thats what's more readily available in my area. Is it any more reliable, accurate, better or worse? Nope. Not really. But the local Walmart sells cheap muzzle loaders. The closest place that sells .454 round ball and real black powder is a gun store three towns away. But it's black powder. So you can pretty much shoot whatever the hell you want. So pyrodex and powerbelts. I can also load it up with triple seven and rock salt. Or black powder and a plug of all purpose flower (makes a big fireball) The fun part is: it doesn't matter. I feel like you lose all of that with the federal firestick, because now you have to go out and find a proprietary cartridge for this thing. And apparently the cartridge isn't reusable.
@gethmord
10 ай бұрын
It's going to depend on your state and how the law is written, in Texas the gun would be legal for the regular deer season but not the muzzle loader season. Quote from the Texas parks and wild life website. "Muzzleloader Only White-tailed Deer Season A muzzleloader is any firearm that is loaded only through the muzzle. Note: A cap and ball firearm in which the powder and ball are loaded into a cylinder is not a muzzleloader. Muzzleloader deer seasons are restricted to muzzleloading firearms only."
@wingracer1614
10 ай бұрын
The bullet is still loaded from the muzzle, thus it is a muzzle loader that would be legal in texas unless there is some other definition of muzzle loaded in that law.
@WilliamHunterII
10 ай бұрын
That is a peculiar development in muzzle loading. I can't see myself spending money on that kind of weapon. I understand the frustration of wet powder, but that's part of muzzle loading, learning to keep your powder dry.
@silvermediastudio
9 ай бұрын
Agreed. They have gotten so far from the intent of fair chase, and the promotion of maintaining a tradition with primitive arms. There's nothing wrong with these modern black powder guns, but they are as accurate, at range, as a modern center fire. Sometimes, more accurate at typical hunting distances.
@eliinthewolverinestate6729
10 ай бұрын
A muzzleloader is not a breech loader. A muzzleloader is any firearm in which the user loads the projectile and the propellant charge into the muzzle end of the gun. Modern mortars use a shell with the propelling charge and primer attached at the base. What we see here is clearly a breech loading cartridge which means it is a cartridge firearm or a mortar.
@spyker_aileron
10 ай бұрын
i hate it when people refer to it as a "loophole" it's not a loophole it's a legal firearm. the lawmakers are just incompetent. why should i be the one painted as the bad guy for following the exact letter of the law. if it ISN'T expressly "illegal" then that means it's legal.
@ludditeneaderthal
10 ай бұрын
So many of you miss the point. It has NOTHING to do with "classification by the ATF". The point is "does it qualify for primitive hunting seasons, and does it do so legitimately?". THAT depends on how a "primitive rifle" is defined in STATE hunting regs (as the feds only have a say in hunting migratory game birds, and endangered species). If they define as "projectile loaded only from the muzzle", firestick qualifies. If they define as "closed breech end of barrel, loaded from muzzle", it will not. I dont really see it as "attempting to skirt a loophole", it's "making the game easier to play to attract more players" as well as reducing the load of junk that one needs to carry afield to play. For the manufacturer, its also "they HAVE to buy our expensive junk, so every sale is locked in market share". Dumping powder from a pre-measured caddy gives up about a second to a firestick (time afield), the other steps are the same. The convenience, and perception of "safer ramming" (you can stuff a sabot to an uncharged breech), and the ability to "safe" the arm by pulling the tube. Even if approved by states universally, i doubt it becomes popular, "proprietary systems" rarely do.
@wingracer1614
10 ай бұрын
Don't bring logic to a gunfight.
@Stroopwaffe1
10 ай бұрын
I Love that Intro musuc sounds like we should be seeing a paper boy streaking down a steep cobbled street somewhere in the Industrial Black Country, Wolverhampton or somewhere equally as quaint yet Ghastly.....
@TheBlueGeebee
10 ай бұрын
I like this for the practical safety of being able to insert the charge after the bullet so you can't have an accidental discharge with the ramrod down the barrel. I assume you would be able to pull a loaded firestick as well to safe the rifle without a discharge - I wonder if these could be designed to use recycled 50bmg brass, assuming the breach is cut for it and the case volume is sufficient for the black powder, that would make this much more economical per shot.
@damienthomas6655
10 ай бұрын
❤If black powder is super sensitive are not all powders as im pretty sure all gunpowder is moisture sensitive ?????? 20 plus years ago i used to load most of my centerfire hunting cartridges and i found i was getting a huge differance in my summer to winter loads,i used to load out in the back shed ,i figured out after three years that it must be to moisture in the air as summer was extremely humid and winter very dry ,i moved all my reloading into a room in the center of my house and would run a fan heater in the room for a couple of hours with window cracked the day prior to loading and found my loads came good and were now same all year round ,now if i lived in Texas say i would buy a dehumidifier and run it in my loading room as a friend of mine does in his winter ,its very wet winter time where he lives ,cold winters but rain not snow ,,out of the one room he runs the dehumidifier he will draws two and a half of water out of the air every 12 hours ,this is in a fairly new home which also is built of the ground 6 foot on steel c channel stilts and this is a dry home yet two and a half pints is allot when you think you are living in a dry home ,must come up thru the floor and thru the walls ,,,yeah so if you live in a wet or humid zone spend $400 dollars on a good quality electric portable de humidifier if you can't work out why your loads are different .
@StonedOli
9 ай бұрын
The law that matters... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
@sharpfang
10 ай бұрын
Note there was a phase in the gun development, where so called "patrons" were used, which were a precursor to the modern cartridge: no primer, and just thin paper instead of brass packaging the black powder charge, a wad, and the projectile into one compact package to be either muzzle-loaded or breech-loaded, to be used with first manually loaded percussion caps, and later with automatic primer systems like Maynard tape primer. At this point, would replacing paper with plastic make a significant difference? Or were patrons too advanced to count as "primitive hunting" ammo?
@okboomer6201
10 ай бұрын
The music at the beginning literally hurt my ears.
@bluecollar58
10 ай бұрын
The only real advantage seems to be the consistency of the charge to me. You still have to use a ramrod and then open the breach to replace the cartridge. I would think a shooter proficient with a traditional muzzle loader just might cycle faster.
@rollotomasislawyer3405
10 ай бұрын
It doesn’t break open almost like a shotgun, it breaks open exactly like a shotgun!
@ChristnThms
10 ай бұрын
Your closing statements really demonstrate how limited your understanding of firearms is, in general. The primary limitation with a muzzleloader is rate of fire. The accuracy of even the more basic cap lock rifles is sufficient to demand scopes... in other words, the gun is accurate to a distance greater than a naked eye can see. That means that these "loopholes" you're talking about are addressing safety and reliability, not accuracy or rate of fire. As long as the bullet has to be rammed down the barrel, the ROF if effectively limiting you to a single shot at any particular target. The really telling part was when you brought up "assault rifles". The original assault rifle ban, I believe from Reagan, addressed the sale and resale of select-fire weapons. This means that they were capable of full auto fire, and were legitimately military weapons. They were also ALREADY heavily regulated. The only real effect of that ban was to almost entirely stop the issuance of new licenses for those weapons. Licenses already existing were still valid. This also only effected a tiny number of weapons, since they were already heavily restricted. What is frequently referred to as an assault rifle these days is nothing more than a semiautomatic rifle with modern externals. They're not functionally any different than other semiautomatic rifles that you'd call hunting rifles. Labeling them assault rifles is just advertising your ignorance and your political prejudices... ...which I am genuinely grateful for. Now I know that nothing you say can be trusted without independent verification. If your politics will make you repeat one lie, they'll make you repeat any number of other lies. Thank you for labeling yourself for us.
@BWGPEI
9 ай бұрын
The ability to get "pill bottles" with snap on caps allowed me to pre-measure powder charges very accurately. This worked very well in target matches, and kept my powder reasonably dry in hunting situations. Oh yes, it was cheap too, grin.
@robertdancho9671
10 ай бұрын
“…shall not be infringed.”
@danieljob3184
10 ай бұрын
They said I was mad when I designed a bolt-action muzzle loader... How Mad Am I NOW?! *Insane laughter* 🤪
@bl7355
10 ай бұрын
Your videos are excellent! BTW, doesanybody know what the piece of music on the intro is?
@omnivore2220
10 ай бұрын
I just don't see any benefit over the decades-old, plastic quick-load tubes which contain a pre-measured amount of powder at one end, and a projectile at the other. The tube is opened, the powder is poured down the bore from the muzzle, the projectile is inserted and seated with a ramrod, and now you don't have an action to open and a thing t shove into the breech because you're already done and ready to prime. Seems to be the extra step of opening a breech would actually be a hindrance. In the field, I always carried my hunting rifle loaded and primed. But my reloading process evolved. I started out carrying a powder horn and measure, plus a possibles bag with a short starter. It ended up with nothing but two quick load tubes in a pocket and a capping tool on a lanyard around my neck. The only possibles I took with me on day hunts (ramrod tips, and a few cleaning patches) were carried in a patch box which I cut into the rifle's but stock. It seems to me that loading from one end with a pre-measured powder charge is faster and simpler than having to load from both ends.
@davefletch3063
10 ай бұрын
Muzzleloader = putting the round in from the muzzle…this isn’t a loophole
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