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@djdamagedome
Жыл бұрын
Well, where is the Slash signature LP you promised me on Wickr? /s
@theplaneimage
Жыл бұрын
Can't even remember the last time we received a telegram... must have been about 1968
@endezeichengrimm
Жыл бұрын
So.... are you not sending me a prize?
@thechamp9696
Жыл бұрын
Still waiting on that carrier pigeon to deliver my new custom shop strat
@djmichaels4735
Жыл бұрын
You mean to tell me my Korg Miku is not on its way
@danishpete
Жыл бұрын
Just here for the comments 😎
@adamricard9410
Жыл бұрын
Read these laughable breakdowns from all the sound engineers in the comments 😂. Both rock and sound great.
@fastjazz
Жыл бұрын
Skip the Fenders and go right to the Mesa/Boogie Fillmore…
@Shaffc71
Жыл бұрын
$900 for a solid state combo With a 10 inch speaker? Umm no thanks
@pugforce8315
Жыл бұрын
Pine cab, jensen speaker, great amp emulation built in to feel like a real amp and not a line 6 spider. Plus fender markup, about right for the price.
@StephenMarkTurner
Жыл бұрын
Do a fake comparison, where the switch lowers the output on the same amp by .25 dB. Then wait for the comments by the golden eared. :-)
@mr.b4444
Жыл бұрын
I got rid of my late model valve Twin and replaced it with a Tone Master Twin. I play jazz with a mostly clean sound and for my purpose the Tone Master sounds as good or better and won't break my back. You can also update or change the firmware. I don't regret the purchase.
@emmanuelleroy2915
Жыл бұрын
Rage Against The Machine won their first Grammy with a 20watt solid state amp….. only people that care is bedroom warriors that probably never played a gig….. it’s still about how well you can play 🤷🏽♂️
@pads-zr9ln
Жыл бұрын
fender must be allergic to money or they would release a bassman tone master
@rickhawkins218
11 ай бұрын
You saw the price on Tonemaster Pro? They like money.
@incredifunk
9 ай бұрын
Screw tone masters.. they need a rerelease of the original valve amp
@didamnesia3575
3 ай бұрын
As a trumpet player who just started playing guitar, I agree 100% 2 models: hand wired, the reissue style.
@AlexanderSchwend
3 ай бұрын
Already did 👍🏼
@pads-zr9ln
3 ай бұрын
@@AlexanderSchwend yeah I heard, not happy with the price,ust be the star aligning because I can buy a tube one today for £1000 but there's no way I can crank that
@tdunster2011
Жыл бұрын
Drive pedals don't work the same on Tone Master amps as they do with tube amps. That's the problem and it doesn't appear that a solution is possible.
@austinyankunas8278
Жыл бұрын
The Tone Master Super also has "real" Jensens in it, and if I didn't have that amp I would be buying this Princeton. I've had the super for just over a year as my main gigging amp, this series is a back saver!
@thseed7
Жыл бұрын
I love the attenuation availability. You can't always crank the volume and being able to have the amp sound good sub 90 db is convenient. Hope other amp companies follow suit and make digital models that focus on a couple iterations of specific models.
@DudeMcGuybro
Жыл бұрын
Not only that, it makes the volume knob less of a nuclear detonation device. I have a 120W head and I can't use it without one, because the literal weight of your finger goes from 90db to 120db, and I swear I'm not exaggerating in the slightest, if anything I'm underselling here
@finishin.my.coffee8780
Жыл бұрын
@@DudeMcGuybro Like a hair trigger? I think I see what you're saying. You guys both have a point. In some instances, tube amps would be ideal. But if your circumstances don't lend themselves, a tube amp can create more problems than it would solve. I wish Marshall in particular would follow suit and create an amp in the same vein as these Tonemasters. Sound is not the only factor, I like looking over at it and seeing that I'm actually using a real amp as opposed to something that more resembles a blu-ray player.
@davestagner
Жыл бұрын
That also turns into producing a consistent sound at any venue. And it’s enhanced more by the speaker impulse XLR out, so you’re no longer at the mercy of how well the live sound engineer knows how to mic a guitar amp. So you can monitor for your own pleasure onstage, at the gain level you want, and be confident the audience is hearing what you’re hearing.
@milesharris335
2 ай бұрын
I could absolutely tell the difference and guessed correctly. Both sound really good though. That said I have never heard a non valve amp that throws sound the way a valve amp does. I think that is the part that is truly impossible to replicate. Valve amps kick out sound in such a physical and visceral way.
@chriswalsh2337
Жыл бұрын
I could tell which was which but honestly I was really impressed with the tone master. Definitely one I’d like to try in person!
@skypekai
Жыл бұрын
Sure you did
@bthellam
Жыл бұрын
One thing I want to point out about modelling: the manufacturer making the algorithm is capturing a specific single amplifier, not every amp of that model. A person could put two old valve Princetons side by side and A/B them and hear differences depending on parts or amp/speaker condition. The Tonemaster might sound exactly like the Princeton used for the model profile.
@Bobby-wn5yr
2 ай бұрын
But as the fuzz pedal highlighted - once you go outside of the parameters it was programmed to replicate, things can get very different
@bthellam
2 ай бұрын
@@Bobby-wn5yrVery good point!
@DisappearingNightly
27 күн бұрын
I've had mine for over a year now, and to your point, the Princeton they modeled it after was apparently a damn good one. It's pretty much the Fender tone I've always wanted.
@CL_Audio_Tuning
Жыл бұрын
What an awesome comparison! And hands down Danish Pete is one HELUVA guitar player!! Great video guys! Cheers!
@bridge500t
Жыл бұрын
They both sound really similar in the clean channel. The dead giveaway was when the overdrive was used. You definitely could hear the difference between the digital and the tube.
@ipullstuffapart
Жыл бұрын
From what I understand, it's just the reverb that is digital. The amplification stage is likely still an analogue circuit, albeit solid state.
@deluxeg
Жыл бұрын
@@ipullstuffapart nope it’s all digital
@ipullstuffapart
Жыл бұрын
@@deluxeg fair call! I was looking at the wrong spec sheet.
@NintenDub
Жыл бұрын
@ghost mall it just comes down to that they're different amps,speaker aside. If you swapped the exact same speaker back an forth, it's still be different. They tweak these designs and circuits.and they'll never put one out that's 100% the exact same spec,board,schematic, and parts. If they did, it'd basically be a custom shop amp at that point an it'd be 5000$£¢€¥
@niclastname
Жыл бұрын
@@NintenDub 5000 Yen would be like 30$. I'll take it!
@larsflugge7582
Жыл бұрын
They sound slightly different but I think you can dial them to a very similar sound; the Tonemaster just needs to be tweaked differently on the EQ setting. It's the same with my Super Reverb TM. You can make it sound very valvy!
@Soul-d5m
10 ай бұрын
Best comment I've ever seen because it is so true. I have a TMSR aswell.
@brianwalker7417
Жыл бұрын
Great comparison, but for the cost difference I would go tube amp. I bought a 68 custom princeton reverb for $800 used in mint condition. At least the tube amp can be repaired. The digital amp would be a complete board and how long is Fender gonna make those? If the digital was $300 that would be way better option.
@stratsouldier
Жыл бұрын
Your modern tube amp can barely be repaired. If anything goes wrong often times the traces get burned on PCB amps. That’s why vintage amps are still so valuable. One is because there’s a finite number left and the other is that they are actually repairable and built to last unlike any reissue amp Fender makes unless you buy the “hand wired” variant
@brianwalker7417
Жыл бұрын
@@stratsouldier totally agree, but then you get the fun of gutting it and doing a hand wire amp..lol
@Chemist1076
Жыл бұрын
Play it a band situation and tell me if there is a difference... digital one can go-to PA if needed....
@TurfShifter
Жыл бұрын
Hard to tell with KZitem compression but I actually preferred the digital although there was not much in it. Just sounded a little warmer which is a personal preference for me.
@MrBossei
Жыл бұрын
Agree!
@erpece
Жыл бұрын
+1 Digital amp actually sounded warmer to me... 🙂
@TurfShifter
Жыл бұрын
@@erpece I have old ears....
@damiancafarella4086
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree! Except for the overdriven bridge humbucker! That was a dead giveaway….went fizzy…..all other intro tones were definitely fatter on the digital amp! Crazy!
@ornleifs
Жыл бұрын
Same here.
@cuerdas2279
Жыл бұрын
Digital is the future, tubes are past, doesn't matter what you like most, it's a fact, so stop complaining about Tone Masters and digital amps and enjoy them, they are more usable in all contexts, and more environment friendly. And if they break, you can fix them the same way as a laptop, a computer or a TV, so don't worry, be happy. Congratulations to Pete and the Captain for the video!!!
@stevep1941
Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison and really, not much difference between the two. I've been gigging a TMDR Blonde over the last year, and cranked up in a club, it sounds great, and pretty much like any Deluxe Reverb I've used over the last 45 years. The Princeton TM might be on the shopping list next.
@craig1976
Жыл бұрын
Um SS/Digital amps always sound good when clean 😐
@ClintCurtis
Жыл бұрын
Without reading any comments, Amp B sounds better. So maybe that’s the valve?
@ClintCurtis
Жыл бұрын
Actually B sounds better with the drive pedal to me. They are different sounding that’s for sure
@jameslewis2635
Жыл бұрын
Both these amps sound great. Honestly, from the intro, I couldn't tell which was the valve am and which was solid state. My initial guess was Amp B being the valve one as it had a slightly warmer sound when played with a Tele but it was a point that I considered it might just have the bass up slightly more.
@sordel5866
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm terrible on the difference between tube and digital (never having owned a tube amp) but I was fairly certain that B was the tube amp ... and it's also the one I preferred. Oddly, the tube amp sounded cleaner, almost digitally clean. Go figure.
@derektassie1479
Жыл бұрын
I liked the solid state for the cleaner tones and the tube amp for the dirt tones. It's just my preference, which is pretty interesting.
@johnrawkstaugh
Жыл бұрын
As I listen to the fuzz pedals being compared, I feel like the TM digests the pedal in a way that is more friendly for production, whereas the tube amp translates the pedal the way we naturally love to hear it and feel it. Plus, the tube version sounds 'wider' with pedals, and the TM kind of compresses them and focuses them in a very tight and centered way.
@Big_Coil
Жыл бұрын
I think that you are right. I feel like in a band and/or recording context I think the Tone Master would be cutting more and be easier to use as it's stage volume and the front of house volume can be different and won't be influenced by you turning up the amp. Sound Engineers will like these.
@MichaelHattem
Жыл бұрын
That's what I was hearing too. All that low end in the tube version with the fuzz sounds good on its own in the room but would actually be problematic in a live or recorded mix.
@vincentl.9469
Жыл бұрын
@@Big_Coil Could it set a precedent for the other big 2 to follow? A DSP '59 Marshall-or JCM , DSP Vox AC30..or 15 ..the small AC10 would work in digital . A DSP Tone King ..the list is long
@jonathanlyerly8501
Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. There is more spread on the tube version. I think if you were to put a little widening effect on the TM, it would close the gap!
@Stratplayer76
Жыл бұрын
I actually thought there was a little bit more clarity with the TM and fuzz. I liked it a bit more but I may be the minority.
@robbaskerville253
Жыл бұрын
Amp B sounds much better to me, but don't know which is which yet. Edit: Well, that surprised me!
@rlago123
Жыл бұрын
To me, the digital sound way better. Creamier and warmer. Also, I've been choosing digital reverb for decades. I have 2 all tube amps custom made purchased long ago. Today, I would go for digital.
@arnumorales
Жыл бұрын
In room and wearing headphones, I had problems catching the differences between the amps (and by the comments I know I'm not the only one). On a live presentation, with a drummer and such, I think pretty much no one would notice any difference. On a studio recording? That's what I would like to know! Speaking as a hobbyist guitar player, it is awesome to have such great options at affordable prices.
@dancompton1728
Жыл бұрын
If you stack a low gain overdrive pedal after the fuzz, it solves that harsh fizzy sound when using a fuzz in the Tone Master. I prefer stacking it with the Wampler Pantheon on the low gain soft clipping setting. I'm sure any blues breaker type circuit will work fine.
@aperezdeal
Жыл бұрын
Or add an eq before it.
@400_billion_suns
Жыл бұрын
@ghost mall That’s sure sounds plausible. There’s nothing inherent in the Tone Master’s modeling that should make it perform so poorly with fuzz, except for the fact it has an A/D converter on the input which WILL clip if the signal gets too hot. And clipping an A/D will behave a lot differently than overdriving the input on a tube preamp. Probably just needs some attenuation after the fuzz to keep its signal in the right range.
@scottanderson4175
Жыл бұрын
What most people don’t understand is we don’t need a Ferrari to get back and forth to work we don’t need a Custom Shop 59 Les Paul to play in our living rooms and tube amps are awesome but we don’t actually need them either 🤦🏻♂️ Can you imagine if there were no $5,400 PRS guitars or no Custom Shop Les Paul imagine if we all had to play a Player series Fender instead of a 57 replica 😐 personally I can’t justify a $5,400 PRS so I must be happy with my SE 24 Standard 🥂
@404err0r
Жыл бұрын
Find the cheapest instrument you love and play the crap out of it. The fact that expensive guitars exist shouldn't spoil your passion for music, lol.
@scottanderson4175
Жыл бұрын
@@404err0r same to you 👏
@christopher.hallissy
Жыл бұрын
Reliability and feel are such tired arguments at this point. If anything, solid state / digital is going to be more reliable than tubes, but regardless, any tech is going to be able to repair either amp. Additionally, most people I know don’t own their amps for 50 years, so who really cares whether my grandchildren will be able to use my tube amp in the future or not? 😂 I also think it’s funny that most people don’t like the DRRI / PRRI when compared to true vintage, but they make concessions here just based on the fact that they don’t like digital. This is the future of mainstream amplification.
@void0094
Жыл бұрын
I was surprised by how close they got the reverb!
@baldyhead
Жыл бұрын
They are really similar, but I guessed correctly because the digital amp had a bit more clarity, which I actually preferred, until the fuzz showed up the digital amp and the valve amp was so much better.
@Bobby_Digital37
Жыл бұрын
The tone master definitely sounds better to me!!!!
@kennyjohnson336
Жыл бұрын
Same as the other Tone Masters... and most digital amps. Its going great until you use a fuzz or distortion pedal.
@camielkotte
8 ай бұрын
Shit. I preferred the B by hearing because of some break-up I could hear.
@denmar355
Жыл бұрын
They’re a bit different, but both very good! The DI out sounded like it needed a tad more bass and reverb. I agree with Pete that the Tonemaster inherently has a bit more mids. So turn up the bass and treble to keep it in perspective. I will be buying this amp!
@olifilipe
Жыл бұрын
Could be just a mismatched pot. If you set both on 6 (or any other), the resistance level will always be different. Even two pedals or amps of the same model will sound different if you set them to the same "visual settings". But, if you have a decent QC department that measures every component individually, those differences are minimized.
@mrcoatsworth429
Жыл бұрын
@@olifilipe The Tone Master doesn't have pots, I think. Since it's all digital, those are probably rotary encoders. So it should be always the same in this model. But what you're saying is still true for the 65 Princeton, of course.
@johnspataro801
Жыл бұрын
@@mrcoatsworth429 Having opened the Tonemaster amps, they are in fact potentiometers
@arildhartvigsen3491
Жыл бұрын
Dont know the answer yet. But like B amp best. on my computer speakers. in the room can be different
@vldor
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it offers that many "features". Sure it's a copy but quite an expensive one. A good comparison would be with the Fender Super Champ X2 Ragin Cajun. It's much cheaper and you get tubes with many digital modeling amps.
@billr8276
Жыл бұрын
In a live performance, no one in the audience would care. All plusses and no minuses for gigging. Line out, attenuation, light weight. Awesome.
@liamwagner9160
Жыл бұрын
The cleans were spot on but the tone master reminded me of a BOSS metal zone when they first started messing with the overdrive
@deckert618
Жыл бұрын
I want one! My very first amp, back in 1981, was a Princeton, purchased used from a pawn shop for about $50. I foolishly traded it away for a more "metal" 100W Crate SS head in about 1985.
@ShredBrosLTD
Жыл бұрын
That is P A I N
@metalliholic
Жыл бұрын
I’d be down for the digital versions if they were cheaper. I’d rather spend a little more for the real Thing.
@zer0tzer0
Жыл бұрын
When you give it the gain the Valve Amp has that Tube Compression that the Solid State just doesn't do, like a Kemper.
@stolenlaptop
8 ай бұрын
Listening to the a/b i think a is the valve but i like b better, more chimey. Let's see how weong i am... Weee
@raphexe
9 ай бұрын
I liked B better through the demo and was convinced B was the tube amp
@Yannplaysguitar
Жыл бұрын
I play a 65 Princeton Reverb every single day of my life since 2012… and I got it wrong! Very impressed by the tone master.
@sethbecker4542
Жыл бұрын
Same!! And I’m so happy I did
@danabiondo9243
Жыл бұрын
Meaning ?
@Yannplaysguitar
Жыл бұрын
Well I mean that Fender did a good job at emulating the 65 Princeton Reverb. I think the part where the difference is more noticeable is when the pedals are on, but honestly with the embedded attenuator, you have a great option for home/bedroom use.
@pads-zr9ln
Жыл бұрын
would love to see what a mustang gtx 100 sounded like next to their amp modes
@cmet8280
Жыл бұрын
Once I swapped out the stock speaker on my Champ 40 with a old Jenson it does everything I need. I've been playing since 1963 and I've played lots of amps and currently own four both tube and SS. The champ gives me great tone at low volumes so it's my go too amp now.
@Rick5150
Жыл бұрын
You have proven both amps can handle the pentatonic scale.
@timmotel5804
Жыл бұрын
Good review and some great playing too. Loved That "riff". I bought the TM Twin three months ago and for all my practical purposes I'm completely satisfied. Tubes are great and I might buy another one someday, just to have one. Thanks guys. Loved it as always.
@pads-zr9ln
3 ай бұрын
I'm tempted with the twin or deluxe due to the attenuation, I don't see the point with the Princeton, apart from being half the price of a 65
@zeo5008
Жыл бұрын
I had 2 Princeton reverb Reissues. Great amps, but they had at least 8 tubes in them. One of them started having a squealing noise when at a certain volume. It was a tube issue. I had to figure out which tube was the issue. My point is that for someone like me, who plays at home, the tonemaster is all I really need: Good tones with less maintenance concerns, and other options as well. I do also own a 57 ri champ and 70's champ. Great amps as well, but simple, only 3 tubes.
@Soul-d5m
10 ай бұрын
Same here. I had the same issue with 65 deluxe reissue. Went through two of those amps brand new in three months!!! Both tube issues. Been cranking my TMSR for over a year now with absolutely no issues at all.
@FunkyELF
Жыл бұрын
After watching Jim Lill's latest video what I'd like to see instead of modeling or capturing would be an all analog amp that can be digitally controlled. He was able to mimick a variety of amps just by being able to move the tone circuit around.
@myturningpoint
Жыл бұрын
Was just about to comment that every time Andertons put out an 'amp' marketing video, just going to drop the Jim Lill video remark. The cat is well and truly out of the bag after decades of marketing BS.
@Paul-D
Жыл бұрын
Yeh it was quite eye opening that video in fairness! I reckon it will catch the eye of quite a few companies too
@Drtydeeds
Жыл бұрын
No way they'll acknowledge Jim Lill, but it goes without saying that video is very illuminating.
@400_billion_suns
Жыл бұрын
Amps like that have existed in the past. They didn’t sell very well.
@mikedr1549
Жыл бұрын
@@400_billion_suns I don't know what the sales numbers are - but I do see real gigging musicians using them so I assume they're doing pretty well. I love my Digital Reverb Tone Master - it's perfect for my needs and I got it on sale for $750 so the numbers worked out pretty well.
@GitShiddy
Жыл бұрын
I play a Princeton and am a fan of the Tonemaster concept however, I don't know why they did a Princeton Tonemaster. It's priced the same as the 68 Vibro Champ, which would be excellent for loud home amp, a week or two extra saving for a new 68 Princeton (which absolutely needs attenuation at home) perfect for pubs, and used Tonemaster Deluxes are louder, cheaper, & have the same great features. Frankly Fender picked the wrong 12w amp to Tonemaster. They should have done the Tweed Deluxe. All that moaning said for posterity, this sounds great & I'll bet they sell millions.
@mossstephen1066
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a TM tweed deluxe but I think they won't do it because the driven sound/feel is too difficult to emulate. Clean tones are easier to copy digitally ib would think.
@joshuabenton3785
Жыл бұрын
I was definitely rooting for the modeling tech! But the moment that the drive and gain was boosted, I knew it was a lost game
@joshuabenton3785
Жыл бұрын
@ghost mall I hear you and I believe you are right. The loss of the low end though completely changed the EQ balance the Princeton provides and to my ears didn't sound too good. Not to say it can't be dialed in differently or that it sounds like rubbish. On the contrary, it sounds just as good as any other amp in certain scenarios.
@joshuabenton3785
Жыл бұрын
@ghost mall I have the might Axe FX3 Turbo and love it to death. I believe it has the best modeling on the market....but if I COULD I would be an analog guy all day just because its more fun at times. Although digital definitely has its advantages.
@danabiondo9243
Жыл бұрын
@ghost mall Happy Wife Happy Life :)
@maybeyoureright4334
Жыл бұрын
I am really starting to think I can get equally or even more consistently great sounding tube tones with the right digital amp modeling. In this case, however, I'm not sold. When you kick in a little overdrive, the digital amp is noticeably thinner sounding.
@TroyNaumu808
Жыл бұрын
There is not much different. Either one is just as good.
@ffbai
Жыл бұрын
One of these will be a paperweight when it breaks and the other will be somewhat repairable.
@TheChinovnik
Жыл бұрын
An AC30 tonemaster would be great!
@nanideckard
Жыл бұрын
Funny enough, I liked the B amp much better...
@themoo7803
Жыл бұрын
3 mins in and I don’t care which is valve, but I defo prefer B
@jeffcookdotau
Жыл бұрын
The Tone Masters are great amps. The only real "flaw" is that they don't behave the same as their valve counterparts when you boost the front end. Even though I have the hand-wired '64 Custom, I'd consider grabbing a Princeton Tone Master when I see one at the right price.
@tomdijk5549
Жыл бұрын
But why? Just curious, or you mean you'll sell the 64'?
@jeffcookdotau
Жыл бұрын
@@tomdijk5549 I'd keep the '64. The Tone Master would be an amp that I could take with me when I visit someone or go on holidays because it's cheaper and there's less to break.
@SkyBrotherBortz
Жыл бұрын
I love the Tonemaster stuff but I question how long they’ll last. If the price was lower I’d be much more interested.
@patrickkagan5377
Жыл бұрын
Solid state electronics last a hell of a lot longer than analogue when they are properly engineered
@SkyBrotherBortz
Жыл бұрын
@@patrickkagan5377 Understood; key words being properly engineered. Hopefully these are built as well as Peavey gear.
@BluesCover
Жыл бұрын
Did you ever asked yourself why all the knobs on the guitar and guitar pedals and amps? Well that the reason why! The Tonemaster feel to me more ready to mix in a full band scenario. When the bass guitar fill the low end and the drums fill the high end. The fuzz need some tweaking and maybe low overdrive pedal after it to smooth it out. It will not sound identical to the tube version but it will sound good and fun and convincing.
@geminidreamno2
Жыл бұрын
I thought the ToneMaster sounded better!
@VeitLehmann
Жыл бұрын
Without any pedals added, both sound really similar and very nice. But with overdrive/distortion/fuzz pedals added, I heard some nasty high frequency artifacts on the digital amp, in addition to being more boxy and less smooth and warm. So my choice would still be the tube version. Very nice comparison, guys!
@denglertodd
Жыл бұрын
did i miss where they toggled between the cabinet emulators?
@GearGasms
Жыл бұрын
No cigar.
@Joormode
Жыл бұрын
Fuzz sounded like shit - fender you can do better !
@lf170
Жыл бұрын
"Favorite use of digital technology"... That Roland had been doing years before with the Blues Cube (including attenuation). I agree though, I prefer this style of modeling over the typical tons of f/x and amp/cabinet simulations with 20 knobs where most of the selections sound just "ok" and you might have only have one or two really good sounds in the end.
@harrywhitleyofficial
Жыл бұрын
They both sound fab! Buy with your gut! Idea for a rig challenge: function gig rig, pick a set list of uk function band staples and pick a rig that will serve the gig and get as giggable as possible in relation to the set list.
@Guitarooster52
Жыл бұрын
Oh I could hear a difference but had them mixed up!
@Paul-D
Жыл бұрын
I played a few tone masters a few weeks back, I did really love the sound and all the practical aspects. But I just can't get over the pricing - and im not usually too shy with spending on gear lol. I just think Fender know if the sound is right, and the look is right people will suck up the cost - which they do. And in conjunction with a fair bit of fenders piss taking of late... I just can't swallow this one.
@RiffKrsna
Жыл бұрын
Solid state amps are better. BUT the most important thing is convincing people who will never play anywhere but in their house, that they need an expensive tube amp.
@benlogan430
Жыл бұрын
The tone master is a digital amp not a solid state amp. I like SS amps like Transtube Peavey amps.
@daveduncan9005
Жыл бұрын
Tube amps will always give you a warmer, deeper bottom end while the digital will always give you a sharper, more defined high end. The difference is subtle but definitely there. If these were used without the other in a side by side comparison, it would be difficult to tell the difference. Technology has come a long way but not enough to replace a tube / valve.
@martyshwaartz971
Жыл бұрын
IMO the only digital gear that actually beats valve amps for sound is the Kemper. And even then, it's a profiler (and you really can't tweak it all), so you still need valve amps to capture sounds if you want a different tone. Gotta have both.
@LeStraTele
Жыл бұрын
Hey Fender, In this modern, post 1984 world, amp have effects loops.
@pedalporn6640
Жыл бұрын
Another person who does get it...
@frankcarter6427
Жыл бұрын
the question is - what will the local tech do when a tone master malfunctions - the tech is still brand new and longer term function isn't known
@sergioserramusic
Жыл бұрын
They sound similar, but the valve one is so much bigger sounding... I love this amp I need to get one
@vincezab1
Жыл бұрын
On the clean sounds I had the opposite reaction, like the digital amp was trying too hard to sound like a valve amp, which actually sounded pretty "big" to me. But on the fuzz hands-down the valve amp was better.
@ChiliMcFly1
Жыл бұрын
amp B sounds warmer amp A has more crunch.
@Dogsrule777
Жыл бұрын
I love how Pete discovers new licks mid demo. ✊🏽😌 20:28 🔥
@Mr3DBob
Жыл бұрын
Does anyone have words to express approximately how good an all-around guitar player Pete is? It's way beyond me. Cappers is good, but Danish Pete is phenomenal.
@unclejondale
Жыл бұрын
Captain has come a long way since videos with Chappers. he ain't no slouch
@flummib4427
Жыл бұрын
I Love to hear and See Pete Play His Tele. Sounds much more authentic than Pete with another guitar. You can hear the emotions of guitar and master! And both amps Sound absolutely playable.
@jemandthemystery
Жыл бұрын
The biggest (pleasant) surprise on the Tonemaster is (for home recording in particular) the emulated output sound. That, through my headphones at least, sounded better than it did miced up in the room and at least as good as 65 Princeton. That was impressive. The fuzz/OD argument doesn’t affect my opinion as I would almost exclusively use a Princeton for those beautiful Fender cleans. Given that the DI sound is so impressive, it would be interesting to see how it plays with different IRs in software. Summary: with an attenuator, headphone out an Direct Out to your sound card/computer/ DAW/Speaker simulations, the Tonemaster version looks perfect for home playing and recording or easy lugging to a studio. Of course, the tone romantic in many of us would LIKE a valve version but, from this demo at least, the Tonemaster is probably better suited to the applications I’ve listed above. Love to hear from actual owners as I’ve yet to see one in the wild.
@frankpratte8358
Жыл бұрын
I can't tell which is which (on the initial example). Maybe I liked B a bit more, but I think it was a little louder so it may just be that. They did sound different, Amp A was brighter like a Princeton, with Amp B being a bit warmer. Tube amps are a bit like fingerprints in that no two are identical, so unless you have the actual Princeton used for the emulation... Speaker emulation, could hear more of a difference. Also, the fuzz, big difference.
@FayyazAhmed
Жыл бұрын
No point without a blind test!
@redstrat1234
Жыл бұрын
Sounds great but christ ! - 800 quid for a digital amp ? - no thanks
@pedalporn6640
Жыл бұрын
People happily pay more for an electric car than a petrol car :-)
@drawingdrumming
Жыл бұрын
I've rented the deluxe versions as backline and for that purpose they're great. Otherwise, as a purchase, I would spend a bit more for the tube models as I honestly think the tone masters in general are overpriced for what they are.
@JPMonstie
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I had the TM Twin and sold it due to, in part, the quality of materials used and construction. They’re simply too expensive for a Chinese made box. These amps are not hardware upgradeable either so when the chips take their next big leap, these will be left behind like a mobile phone. Fender also has this schizo attitude to not utilising some modern features like fx loop but adding others like volume attenuation to keep the amp true to vintage…illogical. They do sound good and are very light, but I was glad to sell mine.
@drawingdrumming
Жыл бұрын
@@JPMonstie right - no efx loop! forgot to mention that. I was using a wet/dry setup but yeah if only one amp, definitely annoying and really makes them non-expandable one-trick ponies.
@23905970
Жыл бұрын
I’d probably still save up go for the valve one, not for the sound but I feel like it’s gonna be more of an item that I’ll treasure in the future, and if I want a modelling amp I probably would’ve get something that’s more versatile than the tonemaster, but just my personal preference though
@TheDilligan
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I agree on this one, even as a proud owner of the deluxe tonemaster. I do plan on getting a classic princeton reissue. With the Deluxe or twin, you are getting a major benefit for practicality with the attenaution, DI out and weight. But the princeton as is, is already lighter weight, smaller, and lower wattage. And you can still simply mic it. And I think the fact that it is repairable and will never become obsolete out does the benefits of the tonemaster. It makes more sense to go with the tonemaster if you are considering something like a Twin, because the original Twin is so heavy and loud and inconvenient that it's absolutely worth it to go for the tonemaster. The ONLY downside I have found with the tonemaster after almost 2 years is that someday it will be obsolete and lose it's value, and someday it could break and it won't be able to be repaired.
@martyshwaartz971
Жыл бұрын
Fender make great valve amps but can't compete with the likes of Neural and Kemper yet in my opinion. Unsure who this amp is targeted at since digital while valve guys want valve.
@ferraridinoman
Жыл бұрын
19 against 34 pounds!!? The difference in sound to these old ears is minimal, and as most guitarist are going to be playing through god knows how many pedals before signal gets to the amp anyway, I would think of my back first!!😊
@guitmansam
Жыл бұрын
To me it's always been about matching the correct gear together. I had a guitar come to life in cheaper solid state amp, but not sound as good in an old tube amp. The Protien distortion sounded good in the solid state, the fuzz sounded good in the valve amp. Find the correct match to your ear and you'll be all good
@justmehere6094
Жыл бұрын
In the intro A vs B. I liked the Amp B, as it sounded a bit thicker and rich, particularly when crunching. But then you set them the same, which may not be the right thing to do.
@IrishBog
Жыл бұрын
Weird I thought the opposite. The B sounded brittle and thin to me
@digitalchris6681
Жыл бұрын
Close, but not close enough (especially with a bit of gain upfront). I vote for the good 'ol valve one. And of course this'll keep its resale value better.
@markslist1542
Жыл бұрын
They've finally done it. I've been waiting for the tone master princeton.
@void_snw
Жыл бұрын
I feel like you should have TWO of the real ones, just to show how different the same settings on the real ones can be! ;D
@stuminnis4050
Жыл бұрын
This is my beef with nearly all amp shootouts…they all have slight variations between individual amps.
@paulhudson2293
Жыл бұрын
Danish Pete really does play beautifully. I wish I could play like that!
@jackduxbury1632
Жыл бұрын
Killer playing Pete 🫡
@404err0r
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I wish the Tone Masters were full analog instead of going through digital. Bet they'd play a lot nicer with pedals. Oh well, there's always Peavey Transtube.
@benlogan430
Жыл бұрын
The Transtube is one of the few Solid State amps that does crunch and overdrive tones well. My Nextone is close, but…it’s SS and Digi. The super champ x2 and mustang amps have trouble with crunch too.
@404err0r
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't help that almost everyone confuses digital and solid state nowadays. Analog, Class A(/B) amplification sounds AWESOME ... doesn't matter if you're using vacuum tubes or transistors. Digital has some serious issues when it comes to the initial amplification. Once you sum that signal up to do your digital processing, you're losing a lot of the hidden characteristics of the signal, phase and impedance shifts, etc, which will have unique effects at the speaker. Then you also introduce quantization errors, crispiness at clipping, the inherent issues with quick low-latency digital processing. It's just so frustrating that Fender could literally make a Princeton, replace the valves with FETs and I bet it'd sound ballistic, maybe even BETTER than the original. Instead they're reverse engineering a great analog circuit with a microprocessor because they can? Head-scratcher.
@MarcoRaaphorst
Жыл бұрын
I prefer B in the opening bit
@SergeiVlassov
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why to put an attenuator on a class D amp? Why not just overall master volume like on other modelers? P.S. For those, who don't understand the technical side - attenuators are used for tube amps so we can push output tubes into an often desirable non-linear mode (compression or even clipping) at more reasonable volumes. But in a modeler, the output amp is a class D amp that anyway should not be pushed into clipping. The master volume on the class D amp is just a volume, it just regulates loudness, without additional shaping of the tone. I wonder what schematics Fender has in this attenuator that they put on a tone master.
@atlejohnnyrygg7124
Жыл бұрын
The Katana and the Catalyst has attenuation too. I think it's just steps in their power section to make it easier to adjust volume at different levels. If you only have one volume it can be a bit touchy when you are playing at low volumes as you're at the very minimum of what the volume pot can do
@SergeiVlassov
Жыл бұрын
@@atlejohnnyrygg7124 maybe, but I would prefer just the usual master volume.
@christianboddum8783
Жыл бұрын
I thought B was tube, but the reverb was the revealing detail. Digital is getting good!!
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