UPDATE: Cody from Fierce commented on this video in order to make sure Fierce's position was represented. Here's an excerpt: "The offer still stands that was presented to Hunting Dad. The offer that was presented, was to get the rifle in to our facility and check it out for any issues, on our dime. The first email I sent in response included a prepaid shipping label for Hunting Dad to use to send the rifle back in. The only point I wanted to make, is that we wanted the rifle in our possession to examine and test it before any decision was made. Once we had the rifle and was able to examine and test it, then we could have a conversation based on those results. I am still happy to work with Hunting Dad on his rifle, the label I sent is still valid and may be used to ship the rifle to us on our dime." I mentioned this response at the end of the video. My issue with it was that, while they were willing to pay for shipping to their facility, they weren't willing to promise not to charge me for their time and shipping back from their facility. I had every reason to believe that my rifle would pass their tests (as it had twice before) and if it did, I would be on the hook for another $200 or so. So, I told them that I'd be happy to ship it back if they agreed to 1) not charge me any more money and 2) adjust their tests to accommodate the issues I identified. I thought this was fair and a great opportunity for Fierce to satisfy an unhappy customer and incorporate some free product research. Cody's response: "...we cannot find common ground here. We will not be able to meet the requirements you have presented." He changed his tune after this video started getting some traction. Cody commented again, to say, "If you want to take down the video, I will issue you a refund as you wanted previously. Let me know." $2,100 is a lot of money, but not enough to buy my soul. I decided to keep the video up.
@te1168
26 күн бұрын
How can you bash a company when they want to make it right in the end. No one is perfect in this world. I had the same experience you had with Weatherby Vanguard except their guarantee is only 1” and not .5 like fierce. Who wants a guarantee of only 1”. Fierce is making it right and you’re here trying to gain traction. Send the rifle back and let them make it right for you. You won’t be disappointed when you get the rifle back. I can guarantee that! I’m sure if you asked they may even put the carbon Barrel on. Sounds like that’s what you really want but didn’t want to pay the extra cost. Choice is yours.
@TheRealReidMeister
21 күн бұрын
It’s not about making it right. If Fierce does not have the processes in place to verify a “good” gun (I.e discounting cold bore shots or having quality issues that create an undesirable gun that they can not identify through inspection or testing) then they have no real standard to send anything “good” out to the customer. This is a potential quality issue that they clearly do not care to rectify or lack the capability of rectifying. My dad just recently bought a Fierce in 7 PRC and it is not able to hold groups (anywhere from 1.5-4in). We are going through extensive ammo testing at the moment and we hope to find something it likes. If this continues to be a problem that people see, Fierce really needs to look at their inspection and testing process (as well as customer service standards) to solve these issues.
@te1168
21 күн бұрын
@@TheRealReidMeister It’s all about customer service in the end. They are here to make it right. If you’re not satisfied, they will make it right. I can speak first hand. Be a respectful citizen instead of doing rest what the rest of America does and complain about everything bad in this world.
@TheRealReidMeister
21 күн бұрын
@@te1168 it’s not all about customer service. Yes customer service is important. Not sending out bad product in the first place (if it’s a reoccurring issue) is more important
@te1168
21 күн бұрын
@@TheRealReidMeister I don’t know your situation nor do I care, all I’m saying is they make it right in the end.
@chucklowry1622
Ай бұрын
man after reading a lot of these comment all of us guys that have bought 400 dollar scope include rugers that consentingly .50 moa out of the box shot after shot with no barrel cooling time got a bargain
@sc6802
2 ай бұрын
the junk company never thought they’d meet you. thanks for posting and all the $ and work you did
@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast
3 ай бұрын
Fair and thorough review! You went above and beyond your obligations to try to make this perform. Add up the ammo costs and whoo boy. You could have purchased a new rifle of another make that likely would have shot sub MOA with multiple loads -- cold and hot barrel. A hunting rifle must shoot a tight 3 shot group, the 2nd and 3rd striking within about 1/2" of the first on either extreme. One rarely gets or needs more than 3 shots when hunting. One even more rarely gets 2nd and 3rd shots 7 minutes after the previous shot!
@huntingdad
3 ай бұрын
Thanks, Ron! You're right when you say that I spent a lot on this test! Probably shoulda moved on much sooner. But I will say that it was interesting and satisfying to finally figure out what the issue was. Glad you confirmed that any rifle should shoot a 3-shot, MOA group. After Fierce suggested that this rifle was performing within specs, I was beginning think I was crazy.
@ryanglass3570
2 ай бұрын
Yep your right Ron, good barrels usually aren't picky.
@JaredBaker-r7c
2 ай бұрын
@huntingdad Ya know, I never comment on videos. But this kind of BS is over the top. You guys are on a witch hunt like a bunch of folks with pitchforks. Entitled group of people that agree with stiff arming people into getting what you want through social media. Wow, barrel heat causes larger group dispersion, this guy is a genius. Get a heavier gun then, don’t buy lightweight hunting rifles. Fair and thorough review, what is Ron Spomer puffing on? Rickety bench, plywood thrown on the grass, come on. Maybe Hornady should hire you for their new lead ballistician. This is sad to see, any company can have issues. If you are buying something, wouldn’t you want to see what you’re buying first before making an agreement? Fierce is buying the gun back from you, so why not let them see it first? This is your third hunting rifle? Now you are the foremost expert on ballistics and rifles? I can only speak on one Firece rifle, and that is the one I own. It has done nothing but put a smile on my face when I pull the trigger. But I also have reasonable expectations for a light weight hunting rifle. You folks need to work for the Washington post.
@JaredBaker-r7c
2 ай бұрын
@huntingdad Ya know, I never comment on videos. But this kind of BS is over the top. You guys are on a witch hunt like a bunch of folks with pitchforks. Entitled group of people that agree with stiff arming people into getting what you want through social media. Wow, barrel heat causes larger group dispersion, this guy is a genius. Get a heavier gun then, don’t buy lightweight hunting rifles. Fair and thorough review, what is Ron Spomer puffing on? Rickety bench, plywood thrown on the grass, come on. Maybe Hornady should hire you for their new lead ballistician. This is sad to see, any company can have issues. If you are buying something, wouldn’t you want to see what you’re buying first before making an agreement? Fierce is buying the gun back from you, so why not let them see it first? This is your third hunting rifle? Now you are the foremost expert on ballistics and rifles? I can only speak on one Firece rifle, and that is the one I own. It has done nothing but put a smile on my face when I pull the trigger. But I also have reasonable expectations for a light weight hunting rifle. You folks need to work for the Washington post.
@JaredBaker-r7c
2 ай бұрын
@huntingdad Ya know, I never comment on videos. But this is over the top. You guys are on a witch hunt like a bunch of folks with pitchforks. Entitled group of people that agree with stiff arming people into getting what you want through social media. Wow, barrel heat causes larger group dispersion, this guy is a genius. Get a heavier gun then, don’t buy lightweight hunting rifles. “Fair and thorough review”what is Ron Spomer puffing on? Rickety bench, plywood thrown on the grass, come on. Maybe Hornady should hire you for their new lead ballistician. This is sad to see, any company can have issues. If you are buying something, wouldn’t you want to see what you’re buying first before making an agreement? Fierce is buying the gun back from you, so why not let them see it first? This is your third hunting rifle? Now you are the foremost expert on ballistics and rifles? I can only speak on one Firece rifle, and that is the one I own. It has done nothing but put a smile on my face when I pull the trigger. But I also have reasonable expectations for a light weight hunting rifle. You folks need to work for the Washington post.
@DJ-rx4et
2 ай бұрын
Super clear and fair analysis! Really cool to see this breakdown and hunt for the problem!
@JaredBaker-r7c
2 ай бұрын
@DJ-rx4et Junk bench and plywood thrown on the grass. Oh yeah, fair analysis for sure.
@shawnmessina8731
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for saving me the headache. Was very close to snagging this exact same rifle from my local shop.
@long-range-eliminator
5 күн бұрын
I have the carbon model, and it's junk
@bcextremeoutdoorsman
2 ай бұрын
I had a Fierce, like I said had and I know of three other friends of mine that had issues with there's as well and they all sold they're rifles as well. I will never own another one and neither will they, I am glad you did this video.
@foonus406
2 ай бұрын
Hey not so fast... don't let the cat out of the bag before I can sell mine too!
@allanburton9385
2 ай бұрын
I have purchased three Fierce rifles. Two I’m happy with. The third, a titanium action, I couldn’t open the bolt after shots. Sent it back for repair. Fierce said it was a pressure issue. After a few shots it has the same problem.
@Accuracy1st
2 ай бұрын
I've gone back and forth on Fierce for the last 18 months. I've put multiple Fierce rifles on watch on gun broker but never ended up buying one. Thankfully I saw something recently where an individual (who would know) stated that Fierce is the next Christensen Arms, which is NOT good. I'll continue to keep getting rifle built or use a Tikka action to build something with. My custom Tikka was less than this Fierce, weighs less, and shoots half to quarter minute with 3 factory ammo so far.
@jamessammann9183
2 ай бұрын
Seekins way better
@Accuracy1st
2 ай бұрын
@@jamessammann9183 They don't make left hand. I checked. Thus, they won't get any money from me
@michaelhill6451
2 ай бұрын
5:39 I've never heard of discounting the cold bore shot when measuring a group like this. That's not a 0.244 MOA group. It is really a ~1.3 MOA group. Lol. That's the secret the small groups (on a rifle that is a piece of junk), just ignore the shots you don't like. The fact they think that's acceptable for a $2000+ rifle is absolutely absurd. Thanks for letting us know. I will definitely steer clear of these clowns.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
I agree. The cold bore shot is the most important one! I don't get a mulligan when when I'm hunting.
@michaelhill6451
2 ай бұрын
@@huntingdad Exactly! The first shot can’t be discounted, especially with a hunting rifle.
@ArpexOfficial
2 ай бұрын
@@huntingdadI wonder how many boxes of ammo they go through to produce a group under the .75 moa for the Rogue and .5 moa for yours lol
@michaelhill6451
2 ай бұрын
@@ArpexOfficial Great question. I mean, they actually didn't even produce a group under 0.5 MOA. They just discounted the shot that they didn't like and moved on.
@TaitKnutson-w3x
2 ай бұрын
I'm not convinced the group isn't shot at 40 or 50 yards to get it within compliance.
@BadoreksDailys
2 ай бұрын
With Fierce and Christensen what I’ve observed is this: They build a lot of guns overall. 95-99ish out of a batch of 100 are INCREDIBLE. Absolutely worth every dollar, and a huge step up from your standard brands. 1-5ish of that batch (I’m of course just picking numbers, what I’m getting at is the vast majority are great, a small percentage are REALLY bad) will be terrible. At the price point these rifles sell, that is not acceptable. If a rifle of this category is found to be unacceptable, the manufacturer should ABSOLUTELY handle it for you, not find reasons and technicality’s that they don’t “have” to.
@caseyjones5549
4 күн бұрын
Always hate to see issues like this happen to anyone, but they do and will happen with all guns. I own two Fierce CT EDGE and Carbon Fury in 6.5 PRC both are 1/2 to 1/4 MOA all day long. I also have Browning, Winchester, Remington, In several calibers that shoot good as well. My CT Edge had a problem with bullet sticking inside the bore after I first got it; I called and talked with John he asked me to send the rifle to him and how I-shipped to him he would ship back the same way. I was called back and was told that they found and fixed the problem, I believe it had something to do with the reaming. Long story short got it back never had another problem, shoots lights out, and harvested many hogs and deer! That was 4.5 years ago. Thanks John and Cody! For what this is worth I will say you don’t make the best rifles; no one does, but you make an awesome rifle; that shoots well for me! Thanks again!
@vettepicking
Ай бұрын
When you use barrel blanks with stress in them you get movement on target. When you dont bed the action you get movement on target. You have both. Also the chambers are done in high production on a cnc and they dont test fire them for groups...
@deandaxdusty
2 ай бұрын
Last year I purchased the CT Rival FP in 300PRC. Was struggling to shoot under 1 MOA. After 100 rounds of Hornady ELDM ammo, started reloading with H1000 and tried Nosler 210ABLR, 215 Speer impact's and 212 ELDX. After 100 more rounds of reloaded ammo, I finally took it to a local Gunsmith, and he recommended bedding the stock as the action was sliding in the stock. after the bedding job, it consistently shot 1 MOA, even though it is a .5MOA Guarantee. Found some Nosler 200gr Accubond's, and now its shooting .25MOA. Was not easy, but at least it shoots good now.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Glad that worked out for you! I might do something similar. I don't trust this barrel, so that'll probably be the first thing to go.
@randysmith8604
2 ай бұрын
Your lucky most 300 prc are lucky to moa groups. 1.25 is more normal. Just my opinion nothing more to light of rifle for the kick they have is the issue. Only a guess.
@deandaxdusty
2 ай бұрын
@@huntingdad My gunsmith said, that if I couldn't figure it out and Fierce did not fix the MOA guarantee issue, he recommended having a Proof barrel installed and he felt confident that would fix the issue, said he sees similar issues with Christensen Arms.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
@@deandaxdusty Hmmm... that's really tempting. I might do that.
@ArpexOfficial
2 ай бұрын
@@huntingdadhave a smith bed the recoil area, it solved my problems
@lon9Ran9er
2 ай бұрын
Excellent honest review. You've done everything possible to rectify the issue at a large expense. I'd put a good quality barrel on it if everything else is okay on it All the best in getting it to shoot. Subscribed.
@foonus406
2 ай бұрын
I heard it said somewhere that Fierce uses a Remington 700 action footprint.. I'm wondering if this is true and if a guy could simply put it in a superior MDT chassis. Really not all to happy with my $4000 dud, cheek riser is too short, no adjustable LOP, and a sloppy lock on the folding mechanism.. and that's without even mentioning the terrible groups.
@chrischimits6313
2 ай бұрын
I am in awe of your patience and willingness to chase the accuracy issue down to the granular level. I'm grateful that I have not purchased a Fierce rifle. I got a chance to look at several at a local dealer and quickly noticed the sloppy fit and finish to them. I have also read where their guns are consistantly inconsistant. One guy thinks they're great, the next is like you. I ended up buying an Allterra Arms Mountain Steel in 6.5 PRC. After shooting the heck out of it with ELD-X and my own handloads, I bought a Mountain Carbon in 7PRC. It shoots even better! Both are consistantly .25" moa, but they cost quite a bit more than a Fierce does. Maybe the old saying "you get what you pay for" could be true?
@kennethmyers613
2 ай бұрын
Thanks much, you just saved me $2K because I had Fierce as one of my favorites for a purchase this year. I expect the rifle to shoot at same POI whether cold bore, clean bore, or fairly warm and fouled. I do have two rifles that shoot a little slow with a clean barrel, but still group well with all other shots. Very disappointing but very enlightening that Fierce actually sent you a target with a cold bore flyer as if that is okay. My guess is the rifle has a bedding problem.
@dr.viethoddsms8284
27 күн бұрын
i have an exact problem with my Fierce Carbon Rival FP. I emailed about the issue and they told me again $200 to test ammo. Im glad i see this video before putting more money into the riffle. I wish you publised this video sooner. I would not buy anything from them and will spread the words. I wont even sell my riffle, I will be bad for the next person. I will carry it to the gun range every week and let it sit there for a discussion. This company can not produce quality riffle at all.
@justinsalzl1517
2 ай бұрын
Very interesting to see! I had similar issues with Christensen - the Mesa and Ridgeline - in 6.5CM. And funny enough, my buddy had a Ridgeline that we shot as well. We both shot each rifle, different factory loads, and we always got good groups with his, and we always had 1 flyer with both of mine. I got rid of both of those, switched to a Bergera in 6.5PRC, and it shoots good groups. I didn’t want to mess around with shipping them back and having them perform tests. I’m not a hand loader, so factory ammo needs to perform for me. And it didn’t perform. Time to move on. Thanks for your efforts putting this all together.
@foonus406
2 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear you are having these problems, I know exactly how it feels to have sunk so much time and ammo into one of these things to try and get it to perform reliably. Mine is the Mountain Reaper in 7PRC - an even more expensive model with the carbon fiber barrel and folding stock. The observation you made about barrel quality is definitely on point, my chamber looks like yours when scoped. I put 11 boxes of factory match and eldx that they claim the half MOA groups with.. I got 2 groups under 1 MOA. I started to hand load a few of them and groups shrunk a bit but still nowhere near what is sold as a half MOA rifle. On top of these issues that were consistent with yours, the extra money I spent for the folding stock ended up being an additional handicap. There is no way to eliminate the sloppy vertical movement in the locking mechanism, which introduces even more inconsistency when shooting and eventually starts to wear down getting even sloppier. As for 300PRC I went with Bergara - a known barrel manufacturer - and I have never had these problems and it cost a fraction of the price. Thanks for sharing!
@gonzaloalatorre9452
2 ай бұрын
Exactly the same experience with the Carbon CT Edge in 6.5 PRC. Only a handful of times shot as promised. The rest of the shots were wildly unpredictable. Threw all kinds of ammo at it, and noticed no difference. Sold it, never looked back. Thanks for the review. Very very comprehensive.
@vincebelmonte7710
2 ай бұрын
Thank u was planning to also get 300 win mag or 300 PRC saved me a headache thanks a punch good luck on your next purchase
@johngipson3140
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. A couple things to check: Fire 3 rounds no more than 30 seconds apart. Set the rifle down for 10 to 15 minutes. Fire another 3 rounds. That would be 3 rounds through an ambient barrel. If the second group is satisfactory I would start looking at the joint in the recoil lug area. I had this issue with a sub moa I had. I've never owned a fierce but I've troubleshot a couple for friends. Neither were bad but both consistently shot better groups from ambient barrels. Curious to hear.
@tgriffith45
2 ай бұрын
I bought one of the carbon barreled rifles from Fierce after the Western Hunting Expo this year and it’s no joke one of the best shooting rifles that I own. I’m really shocked that you are having all these issues. You definitely put the work in to try and figure out what the issue is.
@JaredBaker-r7c
2 ай бұрын
@tgriffiths45, That is how Firece rifles shoot normally. Even if someone truly has an issue they will back it up. These guys are chapped because they can’t shoot. Or they want performance on a 20 pound bench rest rifle, from a lightweight hunting rifle. Or they just gave up after trying one box of bullets. Cheers
@scotttaylor3258
2 ай бұрын
@@JaredBaker-r7c Hey they guarantee a 1/2" gun. They are not
@scottiewallis-yew4176
2 ай бұрын
I'm a firm believer in the old saying, "you get what you pay for". Fierce firearms and Christensen Arms are good examples of exceptions to that saying. This isn't the first time I've heard of people having issues with Fierce rifles, which is unacceptable for the price that they're asking for their rifles.
@jwint563
2 ай бұрын
When the folks from Fierce came to hunt in Colorado, they impressed no body with their behavior and I’m pretty sure were told not to come back.
@charleschenet2336
2 ай бұрын
This is not the way a manufacture should handle a problem. It's on them not you to remedy your complaint. It's not the fact that you had a problem with their product, it's how "Fierce" handled that problem. They "Fierce" failed miserably. I will not buy anything from them. Something tells me this isn't the first time this has happened. There are other manufactures that would be happy to sell you a good rifle. On the other hand, you did a fantastic job analyzing that rifles issues. Good luck!
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. I'm inclined to agree that the larger issue is with the way they handled (or avoided) the issue. Not a good sign.
@MarkDesmond-q5x
2 ай бұрын
How can they help if you won’t send the rifle in?
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
@@MarkDesmond-q5x Good question. I was willing to send the rifle back, but only if they were willing to assure me that the bargain had changed from the last time I sent it in. There would be no reason for me to blindly send the rifle in to go through the same tests that the rifle had already passed. Especially when I had demonstrated in the video that their tests didn't account for critical flaws that I had identified in the video. So, I told Fierce that I'd be happy to send it back if they could assure me that they would cover costs and that they would adjust their testing to account for the issues I showed in the video. I think that the video was convincing enough to merit at least that much, but Fierce disagreed. They told me "We will not be able to meet the requirements you have presented." That being the case, it made no sense for me to exercise yet more faith in a company that had failed me to that point, hoping that they would adjust their tests, and not charge me yet more money. I decided to move on. I think I made the correct decision.
@michaelhill6451
2 ай бұрын
I agree. So many manufacturers step over dollars to pick up dimes. Even if he didn't make this video, if he told a buddy who was considering buying a Fierce rifle about this experience, that would cost them a sale. If his buddy told someone else it would cost them multiple sales. If the rifle had performed well or they had made it right, hunting dad might buy one or more of these rifles in the future. My point is, by leaving a customer holding the bag on a defective rifle, they are likely losing more than one rifle sale.
@LuculentSpoon27
2 ай бұрын
I am lucky and my gun shoots extremely well, but I am worried about the long term reliability of it and hope I can keep it shooting well. Sad how fierce handles quality control and I definitely won’t be gambling with them in the future. Hope more people get as lucky as me and get a good shooting gum but definitely seems like there is a lot of people that aren’t getting what they pay for 🤷♂️ (shoulda got the 2020 waypoint)
@brucemiddleton6697
2 ай бұрын
A good friend just sold his. Many, many issues. It was a carbon barrel. They replaced the barrel, and he could still not get it to zero. Multiple scopes and multiple scope mounts, different brakes, suppressor etc. NO combination of gear could make it work.
@elkhuntr2816
2 ай бұрын
This is why 3 shot MOA guarantees from manufacturers are worthless. A rifle needs to be able to shoot 20-30 shots (with appropriate cooling) all under 1-1.5 inches to be sure it will perform at long range in the field. And the cold bore shots are the most important.
@10dannyp89
2 ай бұрын
I think 10 shots into 3” at 300y should be the test for “premium” rifles. I mean sako is 5 shots into 1moa which is still a better test than 3 shots.
@TheMclevela
2 ай бұрын
Well done review with going the distance with due diligence to source the problem. That factory test target speaks volumes, possibly their barrel mfg stress relieving is inadequate
@rudolphferdinand3634
2 ай бұрын
I learned many years ago, that I would shoot one shot, and I would wait a minute or two minutes, thin barrels seemed to move around when heated up from firing. A Browning X-Bolt in 6.5 Creedmoor.
@timsretired8675
2 ай бұрын
As a Mogle I would never let a barrel leave my shop with a chamber that looked like that.. inexcusable
@glundgren2097
21 күн бұрын
I've developed loads for OTC rifles and had .78 and .82 w/ 5 shot groups after epoxy bedding the actions. I did fire about every minute and then let it cool down completely before another 5 shot group with a different powder charge. I expected more from your semi-custom rifle. You put a bunch of time, money, and effort into working out the kinks. I hoped you would find the sweet spot.
@joejas22
2 ай бұрын
Just have a custom gun made on a Remington 700 action. When I did that, my world changed. If I’m spending 2k it will be on a custom rig. They just shoot everything good. If you want a long range rig, stay away from the thin profile barrels. Just my experience with guns since about 1970. I owned 3 custom guns and everyone shot good with any load. They just don’t have fliers like production guns but my barrels were a little on the heavy side. I hate pencil barrels because I went through the same thing you did. Waste of time, ammo and money. Also just shoot with a front rest and a bag or just sand bags at both ends. I hate sleds of any kind because you don’t use them hunting. Sleds also mask problems so we never learn to shoot better naturally. That is important when hunting. Sorry for the hassle you went through but it was a very good video. You really tried to make it shoot.
@RanchTop
2 ай бұрын
The barrel manufacturers' stress relief (or lack thereof) after rifling plays a huge role in shots walking. Sorry to see your frustrating results. My guess is that if you had a good aftermarket barrel chambered and screwed on, that you would see significantly better results. My last 7 barrels have all been cut rifled (4 Barlein, 3 Krieger, and 1 Brux) and I have ZERO cold bore or thermal shift. Best of luck man, and I'm glad that this video is taking off on you.
@rosalindstewart7013
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review on your rifle, I feel sorry for ya mate, with all the evidence why fierce just didn’t replace it or offer you a refund baffles me, hoping you much better luck with whatever you replace it with, subbed, cheers Yogi ✌️🇦🇺
@masonmcneill3969
Ай бұрын
I conducted a test with 4 of my buddies, three 300 PRC’s and a 300 win mag. Hand loads, factory ammo, different bullets and different skill levels among us. I used brain Litz’s top gun theory to predict their group size, made them all shoot a 10 shot group with as much cooling as they wanted (it took a long time) and boy did everyone’s guns not shoot the way they claimed and worked out really close to the top gun theory, the smallest group was 1.5” from a rifle that shot “0.5 MOA” 😂
@americansafarico
Ай бұрын
Súper disappointed in Fierce. You’re a smart and honest guy who spent 9 months working the problem. They should’ve made it right. Thanks for helping the rest of us cross them off our list.
@LiquidColourDesignBallycarry
2 ай бұрын
Had a very similar issue with a European rifle manufacturer, they where terrible to deal with and the main importer into the UK was extremely hard to deal with. Never again and I feel your pain. Best thing is you will never deal with them again you have informed all us that watch KZitem. Good on ye
@lenzadlberger
2 ай бұрын
Wich manufacturer was it? I had several German Rifles from different Manufacturers and never had Problems or Problems with their Support?
@LiquidColourDesignBallycarry
20 күн бұрын
@@lenzadlberger it wasn’t a German manufacturer but not to far away from Germany. They where really bad and the main importer was worst…
@CodyFiercearms
2 ай бұрын
Hey KZitemrs, my name is Cody. I am the customer service rep at Fierce Firearms that was corresponding with Hunting Dad on this rifle. Just wanted to share what was discussed from our point of view. The offer still stands that was presented to Hunting Dad. The offer that was presented, was to get the rifle in to our facility and check it out for any issues, on our dime. The first email I sent in response included a prepaid shipping label for Hunting Dad to use to send the rifle back in. The only point I wanted to make, is that we wanted the rifle in our possession to examine and test it before any decision was made. Once we had the rifle and was able to examine and test it, then we could have a conversation based on those results. I am still happy to work with Hunting Dad on his rifle, the label I sent is still valid and may be used to ship the rifle to us on our dime. Thanks
@loganmorton9304
2 ай бұрын
Give the man his money back
@Rockwell24-i5c
2 ай бұрын
did you read the comment? Fierce offered to get the rifle back. Never denied him a refund just wanted to look at the rifle
@RonJacobson-i7i
2 ай бұрын
@loganmorton9304 Looks like they were trying to get in to test first
@IRishbuck58
2 ай бұрын
$2000 plus rifle should not be a headache for the consumer. I would send it back if it’s on their dime. Bad reviews will cost them customers in the long run. Thanks for the info
@TaitKnutson-w3x
2 ай бұрын
At a cost of $200 + dollars + the cost of ammo if they can shoot one group. Not the first group but a group and then you pay for return shipping also.
@barts208
5 күн бұрын
Thanks for posting this, I was just about to buy a Fierce rifle and found this during my research. I am not so much concerned you got a lemon as to how you were treated. Cheers.
@Accuracy1st
2 ай бұрын
Regarding going back and forth from a monolithic bullet to a jacketed bullet, what I can tell you is, I've been doing this a LONG time. I've determined that the need to clean to bare metal is a myth. Not once have I ever noticed it make a difference and I shoot a lot of round robin style groups. As far as cleaning to bare metal, no patch will tell you if this has occurred. Only a borescope will do that. After a deer season and probably 80 rounds through his 30-06 Browning, a buddy of mine cleaned his rifle until patches were coming out white. I showed him the bore with a borescope and he was far from bare metal. Black carbon fouling was still heavy and slight copper streaks on the lands. Thanks for posting this video. It is the last straw and an important piece of intel for me to not move forward with a Fierce rifle. I've had superior luck with cheap used Remington 700 actions that I used as a foundation to build something with a quality barrel like a Brux, Benchmark, K&P, Krieger, Bartlein, etc. Yes they cost more but still worth it Rem 700 used: $400 Blueprint: $200 avg Barrel: $400 Cut, crown, chamber, blast, thread: $350 to 500 Stock: as low as $325 carbon fiber Replacement trigger: $125 is what I just paid for Independence day Trigger Tech at 1.5 pounds Bed stock: $200 Bottom metal kit - floor plate ~ $229 $2300 roughly for a superior rifle
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Interesting. I suspected that the monolithic / lead core thing was hooey, but thought it was worth a shot. Good point about cleaning too. I think you're probably right about that too. Sweet setup man! Do you put everything together yourself?
@Accuracy1st
2 ай бұрын
@@huntingdad No. I pay professional rifle builders to build for me. I have considered an apprenticeship with a rifle builder, if and when I can afford to retire. Right now I have to work until at least 40 years after I die.
@Accuracy1st
2 ай бұрын
@@huntingdad I got my flexible Teslon bore scope on amazon for $55. worth every penny
@phild9813
2 ай бұрын
Definitely not a myth. I’ve experienced this degradation of accuracy with an AR15 trying to go back and forth between 77 grain match loads and 70 grain TSXs. My TSX groups went from about 1.5” at 100 yards to about 4” at 100, while several 77 grain lead core loads remained sub MOA.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
@@phild9813 Interesting. Thanks for sharing! Any idea what's going on there to make accuracy change so much?
@richardmartinek3467
11 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the heads up I will not be pulling the trigger lol on the Fierce rifle.
@jsum74
2 ай бұрын
I have to agree. When you spend that kind of money and the barrel looks like that? That's disappointing. I have Howas, Christensen MPR, Ruger Precision rifle Bergaras. The only rifle that shot consistently bad was the Howa stainless varmint 223 which I rebarreled. Definitely will not tolerate the quality in an expensive gun. The barrel should be hand lapped.
@garetcomer
2 ай бұрын
A few years ago I was looking for a new hunting rifle and the Fierce Mountain Reaper seemed like what I was looking for. Just a modicum of research on forums taught me to STAY AWAY FROM FIERCE. I went with a Bergara Mg Lite and never looked back.
@ArpexOfficial
2 ай бұрын
I was in the same boat with a Carbon Rogue in 300 PRC! I sent it twice and they never got it right! I shot 200+ shots between 1-2 barrels, I don’t trust them when they said they changed the barrel😂😂😂😂 I paid Short Action Customs to troubleshoot and fix it. They fixed it by skim bedding it and removing one of the ejector plungers. It now shoots .5-1 MOA groups with hand loads using Lapua brass, Match 215, 79.7 gr H1000, Badlands precision Bulldozer 195 gr and a COAL of 3.670. AVG is 3006 FPS in 97 degree weather. I still wouldn’t buy another Fierce. Seekins on the other hand is a great company to do business with.
@woodywoodpecker3643
29 күн бұрын
Have a fierce carbon rival in 300 wsm. After about 60 shots (trying to shrink my groups under 1moa with different loads) the extractor broke off. Sent it back to fierce for repair and it took 2 months to get back. After another 80-100 shots the same thing happened. Took it to a gunsmith because I didn’t want to want to wait 2 months. It has never shot under a 1.2 moa group after trying 6 different bullets/loads. It looks cool in my safe though which is where it will stay. My $800 tikka is always at or under 1 moa.
@mr.mr.3301
2 ай бұрын
Ron Spomer in his 308 video series also showed groups will tighten up if you hold the front of the rifle.
@foonus406
2 ай бұрын
That's another thing i found about my reaper... It will shoot better (still not the advertised half MOA) if you completely change your shooting form you have trained with other rifles successfully, especially if you are shooting prone. This thing actually does the OPOSTITE of a training rifle.. it forces you to break your trained form and train something different specifically for that rifle.
@mattn9628
2 ай бұрын
Glad I saw this. They were on my list of companies to buy from. I’ll be moving on.
@blaserlongrange7616
2 ай бұрын
That table is not stable 😢
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Agreed! Won't be shooting from that table again. The last test was from a concrete table. (But the groups sizes were about the same.)
@randylang2584
14 күн бұрын
Get yourself a solid shooting platform yours shakes every time you PULL the trigger!
@bjmckay8988
24 күн бұрын
I have a few good friends been struggling as this video, after scope was resecurded, correct break-in, cleaning etc. Its still unable to hold group where needed. It was just pulled apart for good cleaning and inspection to find reciever/action is moving in stock bedding. His guided Elk hunt in jeopardy so they are rebedding action their self ...,be at range to test this weekend weather permitting. Thanks for posting this video it helps with the issues of heat also. 7mmprc
@RicClairday
2 ай бұрын
You could sell or replace the barrel. Personally, I would rather have a,Browning, Weatherby mark v, or a Sako. I've always preferred a short bolt throw. It's not needed, but it's preferred
@michaelconvey8017
2 ай бұрын
the gun company really dropped the ball on this you should have gotten a full refund along with an apology fierce is a junk company thanks for the warning
@shampton911
2 ай бұрын
Wow great video and really thorough analysis of the rifle. Thank you for taking all that time and effort to save us the heart ache of this. I will pass on Fierce rifles for now. On another note I have a CVA Cascade in 300 PRC and I love that thing. Maybe an option for you.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Good to know! I'll check it out. I did order a Weatherby 307 300 PRC, but I've heard a lot of good advice from the comments. Might reconsider my options. Thanks for the input!
@anthonywright7641
Ай бұрын
I have the Fierce Rival XP. Had major issues with it and lost hope. But then…. Pulled it back out of the safe, changed my scope, and my muzzle break. When the barrel is 90 degrees or below, it shoots like a charm. Anything above 90 is erratic. That’s been my experience…
@danielharmon6316
2 ай бұрын
I also had a fierce rifle with similar issues, I had a mtn reaper with a carbon barrel chambered in 6mm creedmoore. Was not satisfied with its accuracy, groups were all over the place. So you are not alone.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that!
@jamessammann9183
2 ай бұрын
Jim was talking about copper bullets
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
I shot solid copper bullets for this test (Barnes LRX)
@nikos6220
2 ай бұрын
Absolutely awesome analysis. I would put a can on it, might change it dramatically
@davecollins6113
29 күн бұрын
Guess it depends on what you can recover out of selling it. I've looked at Fierce, Christiansen, Kimber, Nosler, and a few other higher end US guns, couldn't justify them. I have some US guns I bought over time that did work well, had just as many that didn't. European or Japanese builds have not disappointed me, some of them were a lot more money, but worth every penny of it, and I got what I wanted in some cases, where US builds were not available.
@trevorkolmatycki4042
2 ай бұрын
Hey, who doesn’t like shooting cloverleafs at 100… that is always a good thing. BUT… IMO shooting dots at 100 is overrated for most practical hunting scenarios especially with light weight factory magnums. Also, there is an order of magnitude more meaning in a 6rd group compared to a 3rd group. If you are investing 9 rounds anyways in 3- 3rd groups why not stack all 9 onto one target with cooling between each 3rd volley and then calculate the mean radius of the 9rd group? This will reveal way more insight into performance than chasing little cloverleafs… and… it will give you a good mean point of impact to feed into your ballistic solver for subsequent long range testing. If the 9rd group fits inside of a 2” diameter you are seriously golden for big game hunting. Then go shoot a 10” steel plate at 400yds. A rifle that performs as described above on a calm day can slay that plate at that distance consistently… but… will not be able to produce ½” cloverleafs at 100. If your goal is groups at 100 I totally get it, but if your goal is slay the beast, it is entirely possible that you are chasing your tail a bit. I have more than one rifle that posts mediocre 1.5” 5rd groups at 100 whilst performing admirably on steel at ranges all the way out to 800m. Farting around with 3rd groups at 100 is dead to me now… been there, done that, wasted tons of ammo. But shhhh… I still get a little moist when 3 are touching… and that’s ok… don’t hold it against me. 😂 BTW… wild ass flyers are concerning… I am with you there. A rifle that posts mediocre groups with reliable repeatable consistency is a good hunting rifle… but if you are throwing wild flyers on the regular it is impossible to achieve confidence. Cheers! Good job with all that diligent testing.
@HazardousRob
2 ай бұрын
If it can't shoot 3 rounds under an inch there's really no point in moving forward with 5-9 shots lol. Plus, 3 shot groups is more than sufficient for hunting purposes
@jakemoore2593
21 күн бұрын
Im also on the list of disappointed customers. I have been trying to get my CT carbon rogue to shoot for months. I have hand loaded a combination of 3 bullets, 4 powders, and 6 factory loads. It hates them all. I have not asked them to fix it yet, but after watching this video, I think I can likely skip to the next chapter and just sell the darn thing.
@huntingdad
20 күн бұрын
Dang. I'm so sorry to hear that. That's the only reason, I've kept this video up - to hopefully help others avoid the same situation as yours and mine. Sucks.
@haroldhicks2696
2 ай бұрын
After this I would never by from this company. You done a great job on this video.
@jasonfarley7990
2 ай бұрын
Fierce rifles are flawless and shoot under .50. This guy can’t shoot
@jamesdolgener7892
2 ай бұрын
@@jasonfarley7990 why would you say that!?! Do you know him? You should say thank you for being brave enough to share his story.
@MarkDesmond-q5x
2 ай бұрын
@jasonfarley7990 That bench is premium too👌🏻
@ryderwandler9024
2 ай бұрын
I bought one of their rifles last year. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made. After purchasing the rifle I noticed after firing the rifle the recoil would cause the safety to engage and not a lot me to operate the bolt. I contacted fierce they replaced the safety. Once I got the rifle back I started shooting again and immediately more issues arose, the rifle wouldn’t hold a group much like the rifle in this video, and my gun would fail to eject shells. I had to almost pry on the bolt to make it eject. After following Cody’s instructions on how to solve the ejection issues, there was no change. It still failed to eject the spent casing, with no improvement on accuracy despite trying many different powders, bullets, and grains, even different brass. Sent it back to fierce a second time and they said they fixed the “ extractor”. Once I got the rifle back, i ended up selling the rifle as I could no longer trust the rifle to function properly while hunting. I would not recommend any fierce rifle to anyone.
@nicksummerfield5408
2 ай бұрын
If you haven’t sold that gun yet. Get a tuner break. I have a 700 in 300 win mag I switched everything on it and tried 10 different factory loads. Found out the barrel can have bad harmonics. To test this I got a sims rubber tuner and that helped a lot. I came across Erik cortonas video series on the needmoors and he just put his tuner break on it and it solved a lot of the issues you have. I put one on that rifle and I went from 3 inch groups to under an inch. Saw the rifle is threaded so try that
@southerndiscomfort2412
2 ай бұрын
A tuner won't fix a fooked barrel...Tuners work, but they don’t perform magic 😄
@kenwienken1396
7 күн бұрын
I think that barrel has some stress in it, either from the machining process, or from straitening it. You may want to see if someone near you can cryo it. If there are any custom barrel makers around, they may have a cryo vat.
@TaitKnutson-w3x
2 ай бұрын
I have basically the same rifle but with a carbon barrel in 7 PRC and it's doing very similar things. You have helped convinced me to send it down the road and get something that shoots. I've talked to Fierce and feel by using their "warranty" is just throwing more money at a problem I shouldn't be having. Sometimes learning is expensive and I'm probably going to trade it off and take the beating. I had high hopes and I like the rifle but if it won't shoot it's worthless.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Man, I'm sorry to hear that!
@foonus406
2 ай бұрын
I know exactly how it feels to have sunk so much time and ammo into one of these things to try and get it to perform reliably. Mine is the Mountain Reaper in 7PRC - an even more expensive model with the carbon fiber barrel and folding stock. I put 11 boxes of factory match and eldx that they claim the half MOA groups with.. I got 2 groups under 1 MOA. I started to hand load a few of them and groups shrunk a bit but still nowhere near what is sold as a half MOA rifle. On top of these issues that were consistent with yours, the extra money I spent for the folding stock ended up being an additional handicap. There is no way to eliminate the sloppy vertical movement in the locking mechanism, which introduces even more inconsistency when shooting and eventually starts to wear down getting even sloppier.
@MarkDesmond-q5x
2 ай бұрын
@foonus406 have you givin them a chance to help?
@foonus406
2 ай бұрын
@@MarkDesmond-q5x I reached out to my gunsmith, who was able to get it to group when the barrel was "hot to the touch" which is basically useless. He also told me that they would likely do the same thing and if they could produce an acceptable group the shipping cost would be on me and i would end up with the same rifle with nothing solved.
@TaitKnutson-w3x
2 ай бұрын
Exactly
@brucegillespie654
2 ай бұрын
Great and research to get to the bottom of your problems.Unfortunately you are not the only person with issues from Fierce. I had a friend with one the the bolt fell out every time a shell was ejected. Fierce took it back supposedly fixed it . After months of been out of his possession it came back and had the same issues. He had know confidence to take it hunting and scraped it . I Definitely would not think of buying any of there equipment for my needs . Thank for your research
@kurtissmith4555
2 ай бұрын
This is wild this video Popped up on my feed …about a year ago I decided to get into a fierce rifle , it seems like a good deal for the price ..2 lug bolt , carbon stock , carbon barrel . Soon as I received the rifle the first thing I noticed was the fit and finish was horrendous, nothing like the pictures ..air bubbles in The carbon fibre , shitty paint job that u could feel was rough , barrel contour was rough where the metal met the carbon fibre , then I start working on some hand loads , I had the same issues as you .. I tried all sorts of different powders , primers , brass and factory ammo , it didn’t like anything , worst shooting rifle iv ever owned . One other thing I thought was insulting if you ever watch any of their videos on KZitem the main guy who I’m guessing is the owner literally muzzles people with his barrel in every single video , u wanna buy a product from a guy like that ? He can’t even hunt safe .. u think any quality control goes into their product ?
@trevorkolmatycki4042
2 ай бұрын
When troubleshooting it is wise to challenge your assumptions. Are you certain that the lead sled is not contributing to your dispersion? In your footage there is a lot of muzzle jump… your fore end is jumping right off of the support and that flimsy table is all over the place man! You might want to consider trying a support system that reduces muzzle jump… a lightly preloaded bipod laying prone with a good rear bag might be worth a try. Cheers!
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Good point. I did consider that. I shot groups with the lead sled and without and didn't see a significant change. You're definitely right about that table! It was a challenge to get it steady. The next test was with a concrete table. The group size was about the same though. The fact that I was able to get a 6-shot 0.5 MOA group with the lead sled, when I cooled the barrel down makes it highly likely (in my mind) that temperature is the main factor (not muzzle jump).
@trevorkolmatycki4042
2 ай бұрын
@@huntingdad Agreed. Sometimes I wonder about fluting and barrel heat dispersion. If the flutes are not perfectly radially symmetrical, can barrel fluting exacerbate POI shift from barrel heat? Also can the machining from the fluting induce asymmetrical residual stresses in the steel that if not stress relieved may cause bending when the barrel is cyclically heated during firing? I know… tough question. 🤷🏻♂️
@tommybrowning6576
2 ай бұрын
I have a fierce 300 win mag and fierce test target shot a .396 moa. When I received it it would do that and even better and still does today. The very little contact I’ve had with them they’ve been great to work with. Tommy browning
@Evan-rv9ox
2 ай бұрын
I had a Fierce Carbon as well that shot terrible. I sent it back to them after they blamed the scope which I also sent back to Leupold. Leupold stated no issues and Fierce stated it shot great and sent me a target. I bought the ammo they used to shoot the target and immediately it shot almost 3 MOA when my other rifles shoot 1-.5 MOA. I even waited 10 min between shots with their rifle to let the barrel cool down as much as I could to give it a chance. They are not worth the money.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Man, that sucks! I'm sorry to hear that. Your experience is exactly the reason I chose not to send it back to Fierce. If the gun was within spec when it left their facility, it was likely to continue to be within their specs. And I'd be out another $200 or so.
@foubert45
2 ай бұрын
Fierce Rifles: Established 2014. LOL There’s your answer. All kidding aside, yes some some barrel manufacturers are more temperature sensitive than others, especially thin barrels not engineered correctly.
@danielyanez9443
2 ай бұрын
Sorry for all inconvenience thanks for let know to the public the type of company .
@davidgeske4798
Ай бұрын
I can tell you this, I would have not put forth the effort you did.... I would have sent rifle back 1st time (like you did), then either A: sold it. or B: rebarreled it. Pretty sure I would have sold it right then and there. I was thinking about obtaining one of these (carbon barrel) and I had a gut feeling saying "stay away" and boy I'm glad I watched this video.
@joshdozier1719
2 ай бұрын
That is a bedding issue all day long. I've worked on 4 of these guns ball 4 had bedding problems.
@HazardousRob
2 ай бұрын
No, it's a garbage rifle/company issue lol
@joshdozier1719
2 ай бұрын
@HazardousRob I agree. Like said. I've worked on a few, and I would not buy one. This is exactly how all 4 of them shot. I bedded the action with Marinetex and made sure the barrel was 100% free floated from the recoil lug to the tip of the stock. Issue #2 here. Get rid of these junk sleds! They ruin accuracy, and your zero will not be the same. Issue #3 These rifles are very light weight. Lighter the rifle, the harder they are to shoot repetitively and accurately. I did not see the barrel issues that were shown in the rifle here. That barrel looked like it was shot and never cleaned. If you are going to break the $2,000 price point. Just get a rifle built.
@jameshinrichs9066
2 ай бұрын
@@joshdozier1719 I’m having the same problems on my Fierce listed here, bedding job looks decent on the rifle, but is there something specific I should be looking for that would indicate it’s bad? You’re saying you worked on 4 fierce rifles with this issue or just generally? Did bedding bring them sub .5 MOA?
@timroessler9551
Ай бұрын
What a disgrace on fierce , good on you though bro. As a new person to the shooting range, these videos help me with what to buy ( and not, what to buy). Thank you so much for your hard work.
@GSDadd
Ай бұрын
Thank you for this! First, ditch that sled. Use sandbags or bipod. I had the EXACT issues you are having but with a Christiansen carbon barrel rifle. Christiansen replaced the barrel within a few weeks, paid for all shipping, and it shoots sub 1/2” MOA consistently now. Your video has definitely put the brakes on me buying a Fierce and now leaning more towards a Proof Research complete build. This video and the most importantly the response by Fierce in this forum has 1000% steered me away from them. Should've refunded the man and you wouldn't be getting all this negative exposure.
@aaronsmith7854
2 ай бұрын
I had one in a 300 Rum and it shot awesome for me. Groups in the .2 .3 easy. It was the carbon barrel. Sucks that it won't shoot. You would be money ahead to have a Bartlein or Brux barrel installed.
@danm7232
2 ай бұрын
After reading the comments it looks like you are not alone as well as I am not alone. I have the CT rival in 300 prc and have had all the same issues. Using hornady ammo I could not get anything close to 1moa. let alone .5. I spent a year testing with reloads and never got close to the .5moa. I decided to go to the factory in UT and the shooting school so I could show them the issues and see if they could show me that it was not the gun. They were not interested in helping me, and it might have been because some of the other guys at the school were having bigger issues than I was. I never did get any help with getting to .5 moa. After another 6 months of testing it seems I have a load that is sub 1moa but not .5. After listening to one of Johns podcast he made the statement that most people cant shoot a .5 moa but you never tell a guy he cant shoot. Gave me the impression that they think its the shooter and not the gun. Thanks for posting this as its a little bit of a releif that I am not alone with this issue but also a bit of a dissapointment that I am not alone.
@kyleid6907
Ай бұрын
Very good and honest review
@mackmcbride4345
2 ай бұрын
thank you for your honesty
@michaelhill6451
2 ай бұрын
I had the same experience with a Bergara B-14 HMR in 308. It didn't shoot was wildly is this rifle did but I was getting ~1.5-2.0 MOA 5-shot groups with the factory ammo they recommended and ~1.2 MOA 5-shot groups with the best handload I could work up for it. I sent it to Bergara twice. The first time they just fired a couple of 3-shot groups through it and returned it without even telling me it was coming back. I was away and had to pay the courier to hold it. The 2nd time they recrowned it and returned it with rust all over the bolt and inside the barrel. It shot just as poorly as ever. I asked for a refund since they had caused my gun to rust. I even had borescope footage of the barrel right after I got it back which showed the rust was coming through the crap they left in the barrel (They clearly hadn't even run a single cleaning patch down the barrel after test firing it.). They told me I was a liar and was making up the fact they caused the gun to rust. They also swore up and down that they had cleaned the gun which clearly wasn't the case. Anyway, I also cut my losses and sold that hunk of junk. Since then I got a Tikka CTR in 6.5 Creedmoor. That gun averages ~0.5 MOA for 5-shot groups with just about every bullet I've tried in it. So, in the end, some good came out of it. I learned just how amazing Tikka rifles are.
@renotimberwolf2139
2 ай бұрын
I also had the same problem with my Bergara B-14 rifle in 308, I got rid of it. I’ve been involved with firearms for 60 years and I have my favorite rifles shooting quarter minute groups. All of my ten hunting and steel rifles shoot at least half-inch to three-quarter inch at 100 yards all day long.
@mattbrewer5808
2 ай бұрын
Sending my CVA (they use Bergara barrels) back for the same reason. All kinds of ammo, 1.5-2.0 groups. Had a Tikka, loved it, sold it to buy other toys, regretting it very much. Great video!
@michaelhill6451
2 ай бұрын
@@mattbrewer5808 Good luck!
@darrellhunter3678
2 ай бұрын
I totally had the same problem with Sako. Temperature problem I feel caused by light spiral cut barrels. They act like a teenager drunk for the first time.
@michaelgarner4229
2 ай бұрын
I agree with you. For that kind of money, it should shoot a whole lot better than that. Especially since a ruger american costing , one quarter of the price would have done way better
@stephenladino8247
2 ай бұрын
I feel your frustration, my new .223 C Z is the clone of your 7 mm. Have put almost 200 rounds thru it, all reloads done with the utmost uniformity, all well documented accuracy loads, many that shoot bug holes in my Tikka .223 Varmint. I have been reloading for competition purposes many many years and have taken firsts more than I can count. Very Very disappointed .
@flooded3456
2 ай бұрын
I have owned 2 Fierce rifles, they are 2 hrs from my home, and I won't buy another. Not what they claim. Great marketing but unfortunately poor quality. You can contact a good gun smith and have one built for less that shoots true .5" moa with HL's. Companies like Christensens and Fierce make the consumer believe they are getting a high end rifle at a deal, when in reality they are not.
@USAsportsmanIdaho
2 ай бұрын
Watching you shoot from your bench it was moving all over the place from recoil and that affects accuracy a great deal. A shooting bench must be completely stable with no movement.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more. That table was so shaky! That said, I did get a 0.5" group from that shaky table. I also shot the next test at a concrete table and the groups looked almost identical. So, I think I accounted for the instability well enough.
@USAsportsmanIdaho
2 ай бұрын
@@huntingdad one option for you is to have a competent gunsmith re-barrel the rifle and the bore scope shows throat damage on the replacement barrel that the manufacturer should warranty. Repeatability is a major component of accuracy and a moving platform is a major issue and moving the position of the rifle between shots also degrades repeatability. I frequently practice at 2 miles and use a Fierce fury long range chambered for 28 Nosler that shoots 1/8 moa with Nosler 175gr ABLR loaded with 82gr Retumbo. I have shot long range for over 40 years and was trained by the Army and LE as a counter sniper and have competed in bench rest to long range matches. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
@@USAsportsmanIdaho I think I will re-barrel this rifle. Thanks for the advice. I don't know much about this process so I might reach out. I appreciate your offer!
@michaelhollenbaugh9549
Ай бұрын
Really impressed as to how far you went to get it to shoot. I'm a small shop gunsmith in PA. If you still have the rifle and would like it to shoot I would love to rebarrel it wit a good bartlien or kreiger barrel and do a proper pillar bed job on that stock and check the tolerances in ther actions I'm sure it would shoot. If your interested in any of this Google HD Precision Gunsmithing in Carlisle PA give me a call we can talk it over
@craigrodas6147
2 ай бұрын
Had exact same issues with the carbon barrel version. Stock wasn’t even spot bedded.. Had a smith fully bed action and still shot like shit. Ended up adding an ec-tuner break just to get it to shoot 1moa… my $200 budget rifles outshoot this fierce..
@huntingdad
2 ай бұрын
Whoa! Was it a Fierce?
@craigrodas6147
2 ай бұрын
Carbon rival in 300wm..
@John-mi5uz
Ай бұрын
I’m having the same problem with a fierce carbon rogue also bought based on backfire’s recommendation. I am not happy with this rifle what so ever. They brag about in-house barrel manufacturing but they should either stop bragging or stop making their own barrels.
@scotttaylor3258
2 ай бұрын
@MojobuckProductions Mine had the same issues I sent it back and they said nothing was wrong with it. I paid 7100 dollars for a completer package with the guarantee. The scope base was loose and they use the base I specifically did not want on the build. The recoil lug isn't aligned to the barrel. It is more to one side than the other. now remember I am shooting ammo they made for the gun. I was never able to replicate their success. The gun wouldn't stay true. I put on a different scope base and epoxy bedded it. Put on Nightforce rings and a nightforce scope as I had bought a Zeiss as part of the deal with the caps for the rifle. After about 220 or so rounds I put it under my bed as I didn't want to stick someone else with the problem. I am not sending it back AGAIN. To have them tell me nothing is wrong. great learning lesson for me. Don't buy fierce. You shouldn't have to fix and troubleshoot a rifle with a guarantee.
@JBJHonez
2 ай бұрын
I never heard of this company till now. Seeing how his has worn of “carbon fiber” was a huge red flag to me from the get go. It just doesn’t rub off or flake like that.
@eriknowak8662
2 ай бұрын
I had one of their CT Rages in 6.8 western. had multiple issues including 1.5 Moa groups, returned the rifle and waited months to get it back. during that time I had exchanged emails with John mogle where he admitted that half of the 6.8 westerns they put out won't shoot half MOA as their guarantee states. This was wild and also my evidence to win the credit card dispute. The whole process was a headache and extremely disappointing. Just lucky I got my money back. 1/10 would not reccomend.
@highdesertdrew1844
2 ай бұрын
I won't exactly say I'm a bolt gun snob, because from my collection I am very clearly not. But I am a stickler for precision and long range shooting. I've always done 5 shot groups, with the expectation that there was going to be some kind of repeatable dispersion. The dispersion was going to be from the first shot to the last, not from the first shot to the second, WTF? You know, you did the statistical analysis and proved your point. Never heard of Fierce before this, and look forward to not hearing their name in the future.
@TomL3grandsons
2 ай бұрын
I’m glad I bought a Weatherby Mark V now.
@terrytubbs4909
Ай бұрын
Sorry for your losses sometimes it is hard to really know what you are getting before buying the gun
@dennisshirokov4607
2 ай бұрын
Wow, wow, wow... guess what... I have exact same rifle and with a carbon fiber barrel (so way more than $2K)... and guess what... my issue is the same... I too was very careful researching this brand and this rifle. I came across mixed reviews with either it is 'great' (from Backfire and few others) or 'terrible' feedback (regarding Customer Service). I met John at the airport by accident and thought he was a great guy and so I decided to "pull the trigger" so to say. When I got it I experienced exactly the same issue with the rifle. I got it in 7 PRC 22' barrel and after shooting 4! boxes of different 7 PRC ammo I could not get even close to 1 MOA. I swapped scopes too and no difference. I contacted John and Cody and they asked me to ship it back with no objections. It was there for about a month and I got it back with a replaced barrel. Not all of my issues were addressed and some parts were actually missing from the returned rifle. The main issue though was not fixed as the new barrel shot about as good as the first one did. I'm currently waiting to get the exact same ammo they shot the new barrel with at reported 0.35 MOA (3 shots) to see if that would make a difference; but your story scares me and makes me feel less confident my rifle will get to consistently shooting 0.5 MOA. I'm going to cross my fingers here... however I'm now in new territory (this brand, this rifle, customer service, their testing standards) comparatively to all of my other rifles which have no problem getting under 1 MOA on consistent basis and from first shot.
@mr.mr.3301
2 ай бұрын
I wish you had bore scoped it after you cleaned it a lot.
@vitaliysvetlichnyy4066
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for you video. I was thinking about purchasing the same rifle. Now I would like to stay away from Fierce. I hope your next rifle will make you happy!
@JeremyTardif-d6b
2 ай бұрын
I own a 7mm prc fierce rage carbon. It will shoot half inch like yours. Factory and hand loads. The cold bore shot is always an inch away. The other four will be in a half inch. But the way it shoots that if I let it cool down and clean after every group. Like to talk about it to get it off my chest. I thought I was crazy till I run into your video.
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