Tyler Durden is so clearly the villain of the movie, and the world he creates is so sweaty, dark, gritty and depressing… but hey let’s go be Tyler durden!
@melchozap1580
Жыл бұрын
Maybe if you realize that the world is already like that for some people and that some think it's better to "accept it" or adapt to it to start making themselves a place in it, you'll get a different perspective
@memegazer
7 ай бұрын
@@melchozap1580 Everybody has bad times, not everybody adopts a suicide bomber level of extreminism as their coping mechanism. Tyler is the villain bc the main character lost control, or rather deliberately deluded himself so much that he lost the ability to percieve reality. Yes, making yourself do things you don't want to do is a good way to be productive, but making yourself do extreme and desperate things bc you want to accelerate the collapse of modern society has limited effectiveness in producing useful results. The moral of fight club is, sleep is very important if don't want to become a raving pyschopath.
@NostalgiaChubby
5 жыл бұрын
"It is not the job of artists to give the audience what the audience wants. If the audience knew what they needed, then they wouldn’t be the audience. They would be the artist. It is the job of artists to give the audience what they need." - Alan Moore
@renedominguez9882
4 жыл бұрын
It works both ways. You mean to tell me an artist was never an audience member? That's why alot of artists become artists to begin with, because they are inspired as audience members. We are not special. This does not belong to us. Remember?
@daftbanna7202
3 жыл бұрын
@@renedominguez9882 yeah being an artist is not that deep.
@kce619
2 жыл бұрын
That’s insightful words from jack Moore’s brother 😉
@Lodatzor
Жыл бұрын
@@renedominguez9882 is that some Death of the Author nonsense?
@Wastydest
5 жыл бұрын
Can't watch because of Spoilers. Haven't finished the Bible yet.
@GryynGlo
5 жыл бұрын
Ok, I can recommend the comedy episodes, like where a guy kills a king so fat that his sword dissapears in the kings fat and is never found.
@anonb4632
4 жыл бұрын
@trufiend138 Ooh, so edgy. Now get back to your mother's basement.
@mikitz
4 жыл бұрын
Major spoiler: Lucifer is the real protagonist, Jehova is the antagonist.
@menace2societies
4 жыл бұрын
mikitz Summary: Lucifer knew God’s favoritism to the people who will only love him.
@mikitz
4 жыл бұрын
@@menace2societies The manipulative, psychopathic narcissist tends to turn out to be the antagonist in most stories and this isn't an exception.
@caitilinploof3635
5 жыл бұрын
You cannot spring Thug Notes readings on me like that and NOT bring back Thug Notes.
@App.ollo_
5 жыл бұрын
Right? Where is my g? Bring him back, he was a real one
@bigstunna2049
5 жыл бұрын
Such a tease
@cremonkey4301
5 жыл бұрын
I would love Thug Notes The Bible
@DracoMagnius
5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps having him read is a subtle hint at Thug Notes coming back?
@whiistlingwinds
5 жыл бұрын
DRAG THEM
@josephparrotta1159
5 жыл бұрын
....None of those things are what I think about when someone says "Woody".
@1bridge11
5 жыл бұрын
Were you thinking a hard-on or Woody Woodpecker?
@jacktheripper7825
5 жыл бұрын
All you can say for sure is that he's thinking of a pecker
@1bridge11
5 жыл бұрын
@@jacktheripper7825 LOL. Nice.
@swampchickenfxr779
5 жыл бұрын
I know, right? Who wouldn't think of a wood-paneled station wagon?
@Atariese
5 жыл бұрын
Personally i thought of 3 entirely different "woody" definitions as well... and i think it was intended to be ambiguous to prove said point.
@politereminder6284
5 жыл бұрын
Title: Fight Club Content: throwing shade at Joel Osteen using the voice of our beloved Dr Sparky Sweets.😎
@DoctorBright
5 жыл бұрын
Can we please bring back some thug notes
@juanje99
5 жыл бұрын
PLEASE!!!
@xXMaDGaMeR
5 жыл бұрын
That shit got me theough high school
@mysteryjunkie9808
5 жыл бұрын
For fucking real it was so good compared to all this dumb shit with movies and Rick and Morty they overanalyze
@jamesburgess2k
5 жыл бұрын
Forget a comeback, it needs its own channel like Allen's Guide. Love Thug Notes
@finnweber56
5 жыл бұрын
Puff Daddy yea pleeeaaase
@carrasco3001
5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, If you bought any fight club related stuff u didn't get the movie...
@thevisitor5861
3 жыл бұрын
Literally
@fecomate2542
3 жыл бұрын
That is false
@thevisitor5861
3 жыл бұрын
@@fecomate2542 Your momma fool
@fecomate2542
3 жыл бұрын
@@thevisitor5861 that doesn't prove anything.
@thevisitor5861
3 жыл бұрын
@@fecomate2542 wdym prove lol that’s what we believe , it’s our truth , if you don’t believe that good for you 🤷🏻♂️
@mysteryjunkie9808
5 жыл бұрын
Bring back Thug Notes God damn I missed his voice
@woolsey1977brian
5 жыл бұрын
....and that deep thick content....mmmmm...
@mysteryjunkie9808
5 жыл бұрын
@@pliskin100 You must not be a well read Baller
@MLBlue30
5 жыл бұрын
@@pliskin100 and you must be a racist. how does being well read mean you are a sellout?
@Jenizz
5 жыл бұрын
What I expected: Fight Club interpretations What I got: Repeat of parts of my language studies class in university. Not mad though. xD
@alexsilva28
5 жыл бұрын
Same. I haven't heard the word Signifier or semiotics in a long time
@Superman-cb3fr
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. He assumes movies are made with no meaning intended.
@karlpoppins
5 жыл бұрын
@@Superman-cb3fr Intent of Art is irrelevant, though. As soon as a work is made it is forever released from its creator, thus becoming independent from his or her intentions.
@nivrayolo3847
4 жыл бұрын
You should be mad.
@joesjoeys
5 жыл бұрын
I love the surprise mid-Thug Note!
@scootergirl3662
4 жыл бұрын
Damnit! Now it's not a surprise!
@Skinney135
5 жыл бұрын
As a Christian, I am so glad you wrecked Joel Osteen. He is leading flocks down the wrong path.
@shamrock5725
5 жыл бұрын
So says your interpretation of someone else's interpretation of someone else's interpretation...but ultimately we can all agree Joel is a hypocrite ultimately
@Flatworlder
5 жыл бұрын
Does Osteen sell his books from the pulpit? If he does, then I agree, If he doesn't then we are missing the point of the cleaning of the temple. His mansion isn't paid for by tithes, or so I've been told.
@tkdyo
5 жыл бұрын
@@Flatworlder Of course he doesn't, that would be too obvious and everyone would see through the BS then. What he does, is use his sermons as an advertisement so that people will go buy his books, attend his seminars, etc. Its still using the word of God for his own financial gain.
@seven_point_1
3 жыл бұрын
It was a terribly unfair criticism of Joel as if the author of this video has never listened to Joel or understood him or Jesus' act of cleansing the Temple.
@koolmonkeking7646
2 жыл бұрын
@@seven_point_1 Hey look a troll!
@christianfischer238
5 жыл бұрын
nice to hear THAT voice again!! I miss my thug notes ...
@M4ruta
5 жыл бұрын
Shout-out to our dawg Sparky Sweets! Keep rockin', you well-read homeboy!
@paschal4437
5 жыл бұрын
Did ya'll just stretch the definition of concept creep to be more broad? If that was intentional then it's brilliant.
@jasoneaton4520
4 жыл бұрын
Paschal when people refer to 1984 it’s always to do with government control and surveillance.
@MiguelisNoisy
5 жыл бұрын
OMG you're breaking the FIRST RULE!
@АннаТимофеева-я7е
5 жыл бұрын
And the second one
@jodit9932
5 жыл бұрын
Okay its getting old. Find a new joke
@chriskastelic1491
5 жыл бұрын
If this is your first time at "Fight Club", you have to fight! Lol
@FeinryelRavenclaw
5 жыл бұрын
But... he’s not IN fight club. The rules don’t apply.
@spejic1
5 жыл бұрын
@@АннаТимофеева-я7е The second rule is "you do not (period) (pause) TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB". He wants them to talk about fight club. Notice that they do talk about fight club, no one is punished for talking about fight club, and bringing in the new people is instrumental in the later plan.
@blackshard641
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how anyone can watch Fight Club and not take it as a cautionary tale about the ease with which seductive, charismatic evil can take control of the disillusioned. The arc is clearly reminiscent of cultish indoctrination and escape: a charismatic figure uses very reasonable criticisms about the evils of the world to draw the narrator and others into an isolated sect dominated by self-reinforced groupthink. The narrator and overall tone of the film pretty explicitly starts to deviate from Tyler Durden's philosophy after a series of horrific events: the narrator's increasing alienation as Fight Club is converted to the terrorist cell Project Mayhem, the numerous ways the narrator is psychologically and physically brutalized for arguing against Tyler, Bob's unceremonious death, and the ultimate rejection of Tyler via the narrator's attempted suicide. You might not recognize that Tyler's red-jacketed, spiky-haired fashion is a direct allusion to Faust's Mephistopheles (psst Tyler is literally Satan), but you should be able to pretty clearly understand that the narrator knows by the end that following Tyler was a mistake, and you are meant to agree with him. What makes the film so effective is probably the same thing that confuses so many people into misreading it: the surrealism. Just like Total Recall, Perfect Blue, and Vanilla Sky, Fight Club puts you in the same psychological space as its main character: battered by contradictions and reversals that instill doubt about what is real and what is not. Fight Club's slick editing and coy ambiguity so deeply draws you in and disorients you that even the film's big reveal simultaneously feels like the most insane lie one could possibly be told, and yet it has the compelling ring of truth in that it ties together and explains everything odd and confusing about other people's behavior in the first viewing. And most importantly: it's explained by the same person who has been convincing the narrator of his subversive philosophy the entire film, and the one who ultimately "wins" in the final demolition scene. How you read that final moment probably reflects how you read the entire film. Is the riff by the Pixies a heroic moment celebrating Tyler's triumph despite the narrator's discomfort? Or is it darkly ironic, like the final catharsis of a Shakespearean tragedy, promising an uncertain and likely unpleasant future? I'm pretty damn certain the latter was the intent. The 90's were an age of irony, malcontent, and pessimism. Grunge, punk, goth, and industrial revealed the sentiment: American exceptionalism was an insulting lie, everything meaningful was commoditized, materialism left us empty. And yet, Palahniuk argued, this anxious disillusionment will lead us to self-destruction. Look around... I think he was right.
@Lodatzor
5 жыл бұрын
I think you understand the movie better than most, but let me ask you: is that morbid disillusionment really the hallmark of today's society, or is it better defined by moralizing and self-righteousness? I'd say that describes the world today much more accurately. We could do with more of the disillusionment, to be honest, because that might help people realize what the real problem is. You're right that Tyler is a Faustian cautionary tale about ego, but the soulless nature of consumerism is still the problem which gives rise to him. Not everything Tyler says is suspect, much of what he says early on is quite profound, and that's the real conundrum. Life ain't black and white, after all.
@wordforger
5 жыл бұрын
I've heard inane ramblings (that went on for about an hour) about how it's a glorification of toxic masculinity because it shows men acting macho and being misogynistic. This of course misses the point that Tyler's ways are ultimately shown to be utterly insane, dangerous and also the result of a diseased mind.
@Lodatzor
5 жыл бұрын
@@wordforger It's also the case that neither the Fight Clubs nor Project Mayhem are misogynistic, or even violent. The fights are expressly described by the Narrator as having no value in winning or losing them, only to have them and explore yourself along with other men. They never actually threaten anyone with any kind of violence, except for the police commissioner, to tell him to leave them alone. Really, there's no toxic masculinity on display at all; just a support group turned into a cult as Tyler takes over more and more of Narrator's mind.
@wordforger
5 жыл бұрын
@@Lodatzor Tyler is the embodiment of the macho, misogynistic ideal. 1) He is the one that has sex with Marla while it is only the narrator who's ever around to talk about other things, like Marla is just a piece of meat to Tyler. 2) Tyler says that they are a generation of men raised by women who don't know how to be men because of that, as if this makes them somehow inferior because they have no male role models to look up to. 3) He takes the narrator away from group therapy which focuses on feelings (a stereotypically feminine virtue) then turns him toward fighting, something that males are stereotypically expected to be ready for at all times. And they do, in fact, threaten several people with violence. 1) They start fights with total strangers. 2) Tyler pulled that kid out of the convenience store, put a gun in his face and stole his Driver's License in order to keep track of him. Later, in the house, you see a whole board full of licenses. 3) They threatened the police commissioner, but they also threatened the narrator because they were told to go after anyone who might threaten their plans no matter who it is. The fact that the punishment is emasculation is not a coincidence.
@dalegaliniak607
5 жыл бұрын
@@wordforger The problem is that you can argue that Tyler is a positive force for about half of the movie. He makes some really good points that resonates with some people, but then you see it taken to extremes, which can resonate with _different_ people. Both sides will hand wave away the good points or the destructive nature when you take those points to the extreme.
@YeTism
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen so many leftists say it’s a critique of toxic masculinity, and right leaning people say it’s a critique of the feminised corporate hell we inhabit today. When you can reach two completely opposing conclusions like that after watching a movie, you know it’s good.
@joemomma506
5 жыл бұрын
Fight Club is the original "Joker" origins movie. Don't believe me? Just watch it again while keeping that in mind. If you add the "Joker" name mentioned just once and add clown makeup in one single scene on Pitt or Norton and it's the best "Joker" movie ever made (also keep in mind that while the Joker makeup may not be present, the 'smiley face' that the Joker paints on his face with the makep, is a CONSTANT theme throughout Fight Club). Besides those 2 trivial small details somewhat missing, the character directly mirrors the Joker character. He hates authority, he wants to introduce chaos into society, he finds the monetary system bad for society (the Joker burns large sums of money in many Joker stories), he loves explosives, he laughs like a lunatic while getting violently beat up, he was created by a psychotic snap that created his alter ego, he's charismatic and has the incredible ability to recruit henchmen who follow him with cult-like loyalty. And ironically, the Joker in comics is a persona adopted by several people over time. With that in mind; coincidentally, "Angel Eyes" (Jared Leto) eventually goes on to become a Joker later (it's also the only two times in Jared Leto's entire cinematic career that the characters he portrays, had blonde hair). Think about it. ;-)
@deep_fried_analysis
5 жыл бұрын
This actually makes sense.
@zeigman
5 жыл бұрын
By that same logic, Taxi Driver is the original "Fight Club" origins movie...
@joemomma506
5 жыл бұрын
@@zeigman Lol! Could be. That, or sticking somewhat with my original theme, Travis from Taxi Driver is the actually the origins of "The Penguin". Where does the Penguin live? In the sewers below the city.------- Travis: "Well, whatever it is, you should clean up this city here, because this city here is like an open sewer you know. It's full of filth and scum. And sometimes I can hardly take it. Whatever-whoever becomes the President should just really clean it up. You know what I mean? Sometimes I go out and I smell it, I get headaches it's so bad, you know...They just never go away you know...It's like...I think that the President should just clean up this whole mess here. You should just flush it right down the ****in' toilet." ;-) :-P I know, this is a big stretch and I'm joking obviously. But I do however wholeheartedly hold to the Joker/Fight Club scenario.
@Nanook128
5 жыл бұрын
The philosophy behind both characters are completely different. Durden is fighting against consumerism and emasculation while the Joker is trying to make the world see the absurd humor in the pointlessness of existence and society.
@dastardlybastardthe2nd
5 жыл бұрын
I always saw Fight Club as a story of ego death (ie killing Tyler who is the ego). As well as an observation on how self destruction and self improvement aren't always mutually exclusive. Seeing how destroying Tyler, who was a part of the narrator, saved him from himself. More could definitely be said, but that's the gist.
@Cwitch67
5 жыл бұрын
Bless you, Sirs! I have a 20-year-old Master's degrees in Literary Theory w/a specialization in Semiotics, and this may be the first time I've nodded along to a Jacques Derrida reference outside an academic setting. For ~16.5 minutes my education felt valuable. Thanks for that. 😀👍
@neilwiththereeldeel
2 жыл бұрын
great; you have a college degree and that makes you smart. Thanks. This is the bullshit reason why colleges continue to thrive even though they don't do their fundamental job of teaching...same with school 😤😤
@trueedmar
5 жыл бұрын
Bring back Thug Notes, quit bating us with the professor :'(
@ChrisBrooks34
5 жыл бұрын
Omce again I make the claim that Wisecrack whole purpose is to have us bask in the cuteness of Jared's dog
@dr.christopherdiaz4473
4 жыл бұрын
EVERY time I see The Matrix, it takes on a different meaning to me. Thats what good art does, it keeps inspiring in multiple aspects of interpretation.
@ruination-441
5 жыл бұрын
“Only after disaster, can you be resurrected, only after you’ve lost everything, are you free to do anything.” - T.Durden
@EricWilliams4
5 жыл бұрын
It's soooooooooo good to hear Sparky Sweets, PhD on a Wisecrack video again. Man! Do I ever miss Thug Notes.
@hellishzero
5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to get a transcription of the video’s text? I mean damn, that’s some fine lesson on semiotics. I’m serious, is it possible?
@ahmadsameer9536
5 жыл бұрын
Copy the captions
@Kevinception123
5 жыл бұрын
I think there's a dictation app you can get that will type out anything you say into it. Find an app like that, turn it on, and let the video play out when the rest of the room is quiet. Should probably get pretty good results, even if you'd have to do a bit of manual editing afterwards
@MBro3
5 жыл бұрын
*Here is the first minute and a half.Btw used live transcript on Google pixel* : Fight Club posters displayed over janky twin beds. If you like me tend to overthink everything you might ask. What does this declaration of love for the 1999 classic mean for this hypothetical freshman. Maybe it's just a token of recognition that David Fincher knows how to make a damn good movie or the Brad Pitt is crazy. Good looking maybe it indicates solidarity with frustrated man who feel disenfranchised and desire to reassert their masculinity, or maybe it's the exact opposite a reminder that such forms of masculinity can be horrifying or maybe it's just the consumerism is bad until you ask said poster owner. They remain Schrodinger's fan. You never really know until you investigate further and it's not just Flight Club plenty of works of art illicit radically different and often mutually exclusive interpretations. 1984 Starship Troopers American Psycho, and even the Bible I've been interpreted in a variety of ways. Sometimes it seems like the interpreters must have read dramatically different Works. What's going on here? How can the same text have so many often contradictory messages? Is there one?
@Kevinception123
5 жыл бұрын
@@MBro3 Yikes. Well, I thought I was helping
@seanwoods5943
5 жыл бұрын
slow the video down then transcribe.
@jemangerrit1747
5 жыл бұрын
just wanted to say this is one of the best videos Ive seen in about 3 months. Sometimes Wisecrack comes at you with these essential ideas about art which everyone should know but the world just forgot to tell y'all
@Sarah-re7cg
Жыл бұрын
You should look into the fight club critique by the KZitem channel folding ideas
@darwinxavier3516
5 жыл бұрын
I've always known the term snowflake to refer to how people thought that no two snowflakes were exactly the same(I think that's been disproven). And hence used to describe someone who thought that they were so unique and special that their specialness deserved attention or even adoration. Although when you take the analogy to the literal snowflake even further, the more snowflakes you see, the more alike and unremarkable they seem. The ultimate lesson being that difference aren't always important, especially when compared to greater similarities, let alone worth making a fuss over. The use of the term snowflake to mean someone who is easily offended never made much sense to me, and detracts from the better meaning that mocks prideful self important people. Though I have noticed that many of the people who misuse the term to insult others are prideful and self important. So maybe they're deliberately misusing a term to try to rewrite the meaning so that it can't be used against them.
@dafadil101
5 жыл бұрын
Things we learned today 1. Jarred is needed on every video. No offense wisecrack team, y’all are great. 2. Thug notes needs to be brought back
@KEVONTYRREMUSIC
5 жыл бұрын
I agree except for one thing.. BvS ISN'T BAD WRITING!!
@necromancerxel7019
5 жыл бұрын
A video about the Bible that isn't bashing religion? I'm pleasantly surprised!
@MLBlue30
5 жыл бұрын
Still bashing a well known preacher which im sure some christians will be salty about.
@necromancerxel7019
5 жыл бұрын
@@MLBlue30 dude, I'm a Christian, and I can tell you that the number of churches that condone that man's message and lifestyle are few and far between. There are whole passages that explain how our treasure will laid in heaven and how we should be in the world, but not of it. All that money should be going to help others, not in his own bank account.
@necromancerxel7019
5 жыл бұрын
Not to say he should live out of a box, but live reasonably with what you need to provide for yourself, family and others.
@cardred17
5 жыл бұрын
Also rightfully calling out Osteen as the heretic he is. I’m ashamed that he gets lumped in with Christianity.
@prettyflyforacompsci7725
5 жыл бұрын
Adding my voice to the outcry to bring back Thug Notes.
@novel4992
3 жыл бұрын
This film isn’t addressing toxic masculinity, it’s a film for men, and how they need to strive for purpose and sacrifice themselves for a cause greater than themselves and how the consumerism base lifestyle is flawed. The book borrows a lot of Nietzschian philosophy as well as some Marxist ideology. The film also references how men have become castrated by the new world and how feminized it has become which has led people to live very apathetic purposeless lives. Of course there is alot to unpack in this book and film but in no way is it about toxic masculinity.
@bbrbbr-on2gd
5 жыл бұрын
Fight Club + Scarface posters = Avoiding them at all costs.
@jon5470
5 жыл бұрын
you just described one of my first roommates.
@Lodatzor
5 жыл бұрын
Why? Do you have something against good movies?
@Ivanmaradonaaa
5 жыл бұрын
Explain yourself
@Ahmadbeik99
5 жыл бұрын
Explain
@Ahmadbeik99
5 жыл бұрын
@@jon5470 you too
@quincyyoung8104
5 жыл бұрын
Love absolutely everything you folks do, but I feel confident in saying that this is one of your best. Can't help thinking about the current Dave Chappelle controversy and the variety of interpretations of his most recent special. And a smooth takedown of Joel Osteen is always appreciated.
@1990gollum
5 жыл бұрын
Was that Doctor Sweets? We want Thug Notes back!
@Shnimberz
5 жыл бұрын
God... You guys hit it out of the park on this one!!! It feels like over the course of your previous videos you've been building up to this conclusion. It felt like the end of a book in a series of chapters or technically, video essays. Great job guys! A tip of the hat from me.
@AzidHouse
5 жыл бұрын
Every year passing by, Fight Club gains more and more sense to me
@KaneGruber
4 жыл бұрын
klaus The guy griping about women turns out to be the villain. How could you possibly miss that?
@maxidaho
5 жыл бұрын
We can't agree on meaning because the human species is not monolithic and homogeneous. This dances dangerously close to being an argument in favor of cultural and/or moral relativism.
@frenchfried2682
5 жыл бұрын
Max Swenson hmmm can you elaborate? Also, is that necessarily bad? What are the implications (Also please like if you respond so I can get the notification and find your original comment again. Otherwise it’ll be lost.
@chisasa9509
5 жыл бұрын
The Book was WAY more Insane. He wakes up in a Mental Hospital with people telling him Project Mayhem is still In Operation, Sir.
@PsychopathUltimate
5 жыл бұрын
I've never groaned as hard as I just did at "Schrodinger's fan."
@theatheistpaladin
5 жыл бұрын
Meaning is not dead, it was never alive.
@dwc1964
5 жыл бұрын
I recommend watching the DVD with the commentary track on - the one with Fincher and Palahniuk. (The one with the actors is pretty good too, Ed Norton has some cool things to say, but that's not what I'm talking about here.) It's been awhile, so specifics are fading in my memory, but I remember at least a couple of times when P noticed something in the movie he thought was interesting and F said he got it straight from the book, or from his reading of the book, and P was like "I never actually thought about it like that, but cool" or such-like. It's a really interesting conversation all the way through.
@Starcrash6984
5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. I recently saw a video by Maggie Mae Fish that saw this movie as extremely sexist in its framing, though Folding Ideas saw this movie as a rejection of Toxic Masculinity with Tyler's death and a bit of hand-holding at the end. It amazes me that the movie can have such radically different interpretations.
@professorfukyu744
5 жыл бұрын
I love how someones reaction to a story clearly about trying to figure out what masculinity is is that its sexist. Thats like calling thelma and louise sexist for them trying to find female independence.
@Starcrash6984
5 жыл бұрын
@@professorfukyu744 You shouldn't dismiss an argument that you haven't heard. When I say "framing", I'm saying that she pointed out how the camera (the audience's point-of-view) always looks down on Marla while it consistently looks up to Tyler. "Sexist" means to treat sexes with a double-standard, which Thelma and Louise doesn't do. I guess anything could be sexist if you define it however you like.
@peterl3417
2 жыл бұрын
@@Starcrash6984 Watch the movie again. Yes, for the first half of the movie Marla is viewed from the incapable narrator's PoV. However, as he realizes his own power and will to shape the world to his desire, part of which Marla is, we realize that all this time she was just a person trying to live her life, and that the two of them are willing to slightly mold themselves to make themselves happier to be with each other. Tyler and the Office Drone are two polar opposites, and the resulting narrator is somewhere in between.
@domhnal1984
4 жыл бұрын
Fight Club is a wonderful entry into textual ambiguity. Please allow me to throw in my takeaway from Fight Club. At the end of the audiobook of Choke, there's a great interview with Chuck Palahniuk. When he researched addicts and their recovery, he was always surprised how they just gravitated to new forms of addiction: being gym nuts, passionate Christian converts, etc. But his final takeaway was that at least they'd chosen their current addiction. And that power of choice was the defining moment of freedom for him. So while Tyler Durden's stripping down of identity certainly mirrors the dehumanization that happens when one exists in capitalist modes of interaction. I personally think that stripping down one's identity is a very important part of self-actualization, and to choose it, then, becomes a key distinction between Durden's worldview and the worldview of most men who see Durden as a role model and who have disdain for the "mainstream" and the "company man". They choose it. Even though Durdenites might utilize the same tools of reinforcement that society utilizes, they are choosing those tools in service of escaping said society. What other tools would they be able to use? Ultimately, their goal is not to reform their own society, but to tear down the one that imprisons them. And while they may not have invented new tools for self-understanding, and while it is unclear whether or not the new society that they build will be the exact same as the one that was destroyed, that is not within the purview of the film. At the end, the two become one to celebrate the demise of key infrastructure of oppressive society. In this way, Durden still functions as a hero. He's not a Christ, but a societal anti-Christ. And if society is somehow wrong or evil, then a societal anti-Christ is right and good. He doesn't embody anything new, but he does inspire the choice to leave the old. In my twenties, this movie was very important for me in my journey of self-discovery. Now, in my thirties, it doesn't hold the same power it once did. But I also think that these decade-removed analyses that conclude with Durden = the society he rebelled against are missing a key element of choice and the liberation that that choice can truly bring. I might even add that they, representing society, are appropriating a powerful narrative for those on the journey of self-discovery as a necessary mode of temporary alterity for the purpose of rending that quest unworthy of taking up. But it is worthy. Even if the only tools you have available to you are the same as those of whom you are rebelling against. Your definition is not in your tool set. It's in your choice. ¡Viva la revolución!
@gonkdroid8279
Жыл бұрын
Interesting analysis!
@manibharathy7555
2 жыл бұрын
Wisecrack : Talks about Consumerism. Also Wisecrack : places Credit Card app ad in video.
@Andrei4224
Жыл бұрын
Do they force you to use it? No. They don't even force you to watch the ad, so stop whining.
@DrakeCaliburn
5 жыл бұрын
I heard Thug Notes! Also, I can't get over how straight your teeth are.
@admiraladmirable420
5 жыл бұрын
Overthinking, overanalyzing, separates the body from the mind.
@dougalsii
5 жыл бұрын
Talking semiotics gives me a woody.
@elektrikhd
5 жыл бұрын
Oh god.... I saw Fight Club as an adult probably about 7 years ago and liked it for the anti-consumerism, and I took the presentation of the masculinity as a portrayal of how absurd it is and how, quite literally, cults are built up around it. But back in 2000, when I was in high school, there was this cringey group of guys (before "cringey" was a term as such) who loved the movie and talked about having their own fight club, and being tough and masculine (this also included a good bit of homophobia)...and these guys were definitely neither tough or masculine.
@kyriss12
5 жыл бұрын
I think that might have been part of the point though. The whole reason Tyler Dryden was spawned in the first place was because the narrator was completely unsatisfied with his life. You look at a lot of people exhibiting so called toxic masculinity and most of them grew up with out any male role models and lacking any form of constructive outlets for their natural impulses. If you beat men down, deprive them of purpose and force them to be passive and directionless eventually they snap. Thus if there is a moral to the story, then it’s about a need to seek balance.
@elektrikhd
5 жыл бұрын
@@kyriss12 These were 15-16 year old kids. I don't know all the details of their home lives, but I don't think they were being beaten down and forced into directionless passivity as you suggest. We were in the same school, many of the same classes. I think it's more a matter of them posturing and pretending because they didn't measure up to someone else's definition of masculinity. Balance is certainly important, but as defined by the individual, not society's expectations for what a "man" is.
@Takaiiro
5 жыл бұрын
I mean, when you said Woody I thought Toy Story
@docmemphis
4 жыл бұрын
This philosophical theme is eerily similar to socialism in America today. Especially among millienals feeling disenfranchised.
@mahadaalvi
5 жыл бұрын
Why are y’all still talking about this? God damn it, we can’t have anything fun 🙄 #firstrule
@mindburnjw
5 жыл бұрын
I only ever subscribed to the channel because of thug notes. Now I stay because I'm still waiting for thug notes to come back .
@Geekin91
5 жыл бұрын
GOD DAMMIT THUG NOTES WE HEAR YOU LURKING. Come back!
@kalplays9922
5 жыл бұрын
Concept Creep is also happening to such words and phrases as, "harm," and, "violence," according to Dr. Jonathan Haidt. Words that didn't include physical harm now include psychological/emotional as well.
@Aly-oo4bn
5 жыл бұрын
Please make a video about the movie PARASITE (2019). is it DEEP OR DUMP ?
@quaek6473
4 жыл бұрын
Definitely deep. It has a lot of symbolism. And the title is a play on itself, tricking the audience into thinking the poor are parasites to the wealthy. However the rich clearly are the ones benefitting from the poor.
@royeltheroyal
5 жыл бұрын
Hold the phone, I heard Thug Notes... does that mean we're getting Thug Notes back?
@Biscuitsdefortune
5 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos! It not only combine interesting interpretation (although a bit of a repeat from previous videos) of a move, parallels to other works of fiction, but also explain a literary theory and talks about responsibilities about reading/watching media! You should really read the graphic novel "Fight Club 2" by Chuck Palahniuk, it really questions the legacy and the interpretation of the Fight Club book and movie, lot of meta-discourse (the author itself is present) while still being a work of fiction. Certainly worth a read and your time!
@howtheworldworks3
5 жыл бұрын
It's not the texts. It's the people who are different. Some are smart, some are stupid and the rest are in the middle. This is why you will have at least 3 interpretations for anything.
@rashkavar
5 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I have a big problem with the concept of "death of the author." There are many possible interpretations to works that are valid - usually far more possibilities than were intended by the original author. (Indeed, some authors, like Tolkien, have publicly stated that their works are not intended to express any specific deeper meaning, and the intent was merely to entertain the reader. Seriously, pick up your copy of Fellowship of the Ring and actually read the Foreword. It's stated incredibly bluntly.) However, the authors' commentary and discussion of their work helps shed light on which interpretations are correct, because, as this video points out, works of sufficient complexity invite numerous potentially correct interpretations, which are often contradictory of one another. Gauging authorial intent without asking the author makes this relatively simple task immensely more difficult, and thus should, I feel, be reserved for those cases where the author, being dead in the literal sense of the word, is unavailable to provide informed discussion on the topic. (That said, any author who does not wish to provide such clarity in a direct sense should be allowed to do so in peace. The author of one of the most complex series I've ever read, Steven Erikson, has stated about more than one of his books that his present self is not entirely qualified to offer that authorial clarity, because he's gone through things since writing it that have changed his outlook sufficiently that he's no longer certain of his own intent. That particular excuse makes more sense once you've read *The Malazan Book of the Fallen* - it's immensely complex and there's enough density to it that I don't think there exists any one fan who fully understands the plot, let alone the subtext thereof, and there are fans who are quite dedicated to the series.)
@fangsabre
5 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting discussion. Besides just taking authorial intent into account, a lot of people take the authors own past experiences into account as well, whether the author stated their relevance or not. theres an entire other reading of Figbt Club that takes into account that the author is a (now openly) gay man. And that reading is that the Narrator is in fact struggling with his own sexuality and that Dirden is a persona the Narrator created as an ideal of heterosexual masculinity. Which in this ideal becomes toxic, and so Tyler is still the antagonistic force of the story.
@rashkavar
5 жыл бұрын
@@fangsabre hmm, interesting take. Would be interesting to know if that was a deliberate part of the story, or if that was just a subconscious bias against straight masculinity - that's the part that's always tricky to tell without directly asking the author, and I feel it's a key part of understanding the story as a whole. A subconscious theme tells you where the author is coming from, but a conscious theme is what they're putting there deliberately for the reader to think about. Both useful things to know, but very different parts of the whole.
@fangsabre
5 жыл бұрын
@@rashkavar I wouldn't say a bias against "straight"masculinity. More against hyper masculinity as a concept.
@rashkavar
5 жыл бұрын
@@fangsabre Heh, seems I'm demonstrating my point more than I realized - I tend to equate toxic levels of masculinity as being a trait largely exclusive to heterosexual men (a subset thereof, I'm not saying that all heterosexual men are toxicly masculine), and my choice of words is reflective of that subconscious bias.
@fangsabre
5 жыл бұрын
@@rashkavar lol, wording is a tricky thing.
@johnnyboidam
5 жыл бұрын
Freedom can only be achieved by losing everything, only then we're free to do anything.
@cowboyflipflopped
5 жыл бұрын
"My dog barks some. Mentally you picture my dog, but I have not told you the type of dog which I have. Perhaps you even picture Toto, from The Wizard of Oz. But I can tell you, my dog is always with me. WOOF!" -- O. O. Spool, Wild at Heart
@Stinkfly3
3 жыл бұрын
I personally see Fight Club as a psychological thriller depicting the insanity of man.
@theunheardvoice007
5 жыл бұрын
You can't use the whole Bible at once, you have to cherry pick what you need while ignoring the other parts.
@daniele7989
5 жыл бұрын
Well it is a lot of books written across a long period of time with different contexts; I would actually disagree since we know there were a ton of books that weren't included in the bible because the church had decided they did not convey the truth about God. The Bible as we know it today is effectively the editors cut. Anything that is in there has been decided by hundreds of old clergy and scholars to deserve to be in there.
@JohnBainbridge0
5 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: The Bible is SUPPOSED to contradict itself, because it's not just one book. The Old Testament is the book of Judaism. The New Testament is the book of Christianity. These books often conflict because, go figure, these are two different religions. Jesus not throwing stones is SUPPOSED to be contrary to Leviticus.
@AlbinoAxolotl1993
5 жыл бұрын
When's Thug Notes coming back?
@ucntcit
5 жыл бұрын
Our highest responsibility is finding and maintaining the understanding and practice that is beyond meaning. Everything else is just wisecracks in impermanence.
@zackwick603
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like this entire video would not have been made if Joker wasn’t coming out
@GryynGlo
5 жыл бұрын
The problem with Osteen isn’t necessarily that the bible is contradictory (which I will agree that parts of it is, but when it comes to money and greed almost all texts point in the same direction), but that (at least in this specific example) he takes a single verse out of context, and interprets something that the author of Hebrews definetly didn’t intend.
@ianbarrow4087
2 жыл бұрын
Dilbert: isn't art supposed to be something that satisfies some yearning for truth or beauty? Dogbert: eh not anymore, once a soup can became art all the rules went out the window. It's not the art it's the logo.
@tonygriego6382
5 жыл бұрын
Bring back Thug Notes god dammit!
@cdmurray88
5 жыл бұрын
I liked the transition from high school arts studies to college art studies; in highschool it was 'this is what the creator meant', in college it was 'it means whatever it means to you as long as you can explain it'
@adriannavarro5120
5 жыл бұрын
BRING BACK THUG NOTES Cool video
@chowyee5049
5 жыл бұрын
While I despise prosperity gospel preachers, the example used here is so butchered it literally makes me want to hurl. The story of the Cleansing of the Temple used here is just plain out of context. Also, the prosperity gospel simply means that God wants to bless his people through material wealth. While I may disagree, none of these preachers are saying that its ok to exploit religious institutions for personal wealth. In any case, the Bible also makes it clear that preachers have a right to charge for their services, though they are encouraged not to.
@bernardo00124719
5 жыл бұрын
While I may disagree, none of these preachers are saying that its ok to exploit religious institutions for personal wealth-> they aint saying, they screaming! loud and clear.
@daniele7989
5 жыл бұрын
Where the hell does it say that in the bible, that preachers can charge for their services? that's simony isn't it?
@chowyee5049
5 жыл бұрын
@@daniele7989 7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[b] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. 13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. 15 But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me, for I would rather die than allow anyone to deprive me of this boast. 16 For when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, since I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. 18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make full use of my rights as a preacher of the gospel. - 1 Corinthians 9: 7-18 Preachers need to eat too, you know. Paul stated in his epistles that preachers had a right to wages but showed by his example that it was better that they make their own living if possible.
@AstonishingRed
5 жыл бұрын
Same guy with the Tyler Durden poster in his room is the same guy who cant change his own flat tire on the side of the road.
@TheDarkAngel969
5 жыл бұрын
In all honesty, I did not know that Fight Club was made in 1999. I don't think it even played in the theater here in town around that time
@skynet4496
5 жыл бұрын
MORE THUG NOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@andrewmaclean9810
3 жыл бұрын
Fight club doesn't really have a contradictory meaning, different parts of the story comment on different shit. The first half, the Fight Club, is all about the emasculation of the modern man and our lack of place to express that as well our need for the release of violence because of how we evolved. We need these types of "groups" because in our modern world there is no place for us to express ourselves in our natural state and be free of the bullshit of modern feminine society. The second half, Project Mayhem, is about how disfranchised/emasculated men without a purpose can be given the wrong one by the right person, in the end losing the purpose of freedom that was initially fought for.Then again it's up to interpretation whether Tylers end goal was even good or bad. Certainly though his followers lost sight of why they originally joined fight club for imo.
@scottk1525
5 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. And for that reason, it's important to me to give honest feedback. This video is all over the fucking place. And Michael looks like a hostage being forced to read lines.
@bloom_dnb
4 жыл бұрын
this is pretty much JB Petersons book maps of meaning simplified. Awesome.
@poweroffriendship2.0
5 жыл бұрын
*Most important rules of Fight Club:* 1. Never talk about Fight Club. 2. Never talk about Fight Club 3. NEVER TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!!!
@luz4466
5 жыл бұрын
Wow I have those posters in my room, I feel called out.
@darwinxavier3516
5 жыл бұрын
Relish in the attention! Your attempts to not be special have made you special!
@luz4466
5 жыл бұрын
@@darwinxavier3516 I mean sure mate, I'll take it
@chrisjimenez2192
5 жыл бұрын
*_Ey bro, we's not supposed to talk about Fight Club_*
@chrisjimenez2192
5 жыл бұрын
@Soupy Chang Yes
@chrisjimenez2192
5 жыл бұрын
@Soupy Chang It is what it is bud Enjoy them nachos!
@slyassiamah
5 жыл бұрын
There goes my evil twin making us look bad
@DrumWild
5 жыл бұрын
"It depends on what you mean by 'meaning' and what you mean by 'dead'." --Jordan Peterson
@Enzaio
5 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by 'Jordan Peterson'?
@w00ey21
5 жыл бұрын
"Well, it isn't obvious to me"
@alimansouri4199
5 жыл бұрын
*watched the video now time to read some comments some comments: THUG NOTES!!!
@michiman2219
5 жыл бұрын
Never read Derrida, but lots of people use his ideas to promote an attitude of "there ain't no truth". As far as I know, his ideas are not that "new". Buddhism, because of the doctrine of dependent origination, emphasized this, meaning is formed by a lot of factors (just like any other phenomenon). But you guys with your evangelist example really nailed why this attitude can be dangerous. We are unable to distinguish between a good critique and BS. Like how can a religion that emphasizes asceticism gets converted into a bunch of greedy manipulators.
@ChainsGoldMask
5 жыл бұрын
Where’s Thug Notes?
@umidnazarov5725
4 жыл бұрын
People project their meaning on work.That is the definition of post-modern art.
@polygrind
4 жыл бұрын
Some works are archetypal, they reach a point where the story and the characters can't be developed any further, that makes them interpretable in many ways.
@juniorfelix2926
4 жыл бұрын
Great,now I have to get a fight club poster
@arthurdemelosa
5 жыл бұрын
Systemic functional linguistics explains meaning in three ways: 1) filogenesis, how meaning evolves through time between humans in order to create a new language (e.g. how Proto-Indo-European evolved into a lot of today languages); 2) ontogenesis, how language evolves through time for a single human being (e.g. how a baby learns a language); 3) logogenesis, how language evolves in a text through time (for spoken texts) or space (for written texts) (e.g. how "Woody" is instantiated and reinstanted throughout this video). Maybe those concepts could help interpreting texts.
@elijahnnonde7029
5 жыл бұрын
before I finish the vid.... your contradiction of Jeol using Jesus's.... is totallllllly wrong. The verse here is used in a wrong context. He was mad at them for trading in the church "money changers" I can link up a correct essay if you wana argue. Not saying Joel's gospel is true but saying your interpretation of him using this verse is wrong
@PlanetApathy
5 жыл бұрын
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@volodymyrboitchouk
5 жыл бұрын
I think the case made in the video could very easily be made if one is willing to carry things to their logical conclusion and understand context. Christ was indeed angry that the temple had created it's own ritual currency and made a deal with the money changers to effectively rob the worshippers. But to say that he only has a problem with this specific scenario seems a bit reductive. Christ is angry at the money changers but not the tax collectors because the money changers are abusing faith for proffit. Joel, and most megachurch pastors, specifically use the faith for proffit in effectively the same way. Both the moneychangers and televangelists used religion to make a proffit, and christ clearly dosnt appreciate this.
@isaacburrows8405
5 жыл бұрын
joel osteen is a money changer in the temple if i ever saw one
@KaneGruber
4 жыл бұрын
Once one understands that Tyler Durden was the villain, the better one can *actually* understand the story. Consumerism: bad. Primitive masculinity and masculine ideas: bad. What does that leave? A balanced approach. Surrender neither your individuality nor your responsibility to the community.
@LithiumThiefMusic
5 жыл бұрын
I think fight club is just like an onion. There's a surface reading, and then many, many layers of deeper meaning that a lot of people (read: right-wing CHUDs) never actually get to.
@gushardy4283
5 жыл бұрын
The first rule for Wisecrack You do not replace Jared The second rule for Wisecrack You DO NOT replace Jared
@bachpham6862
5 жыл бұрын
Why? Michael is awesome
@AKNeal81
5 жыл бұрын
There will always be multiple interpretations bc we're all looking thru a unique facet of reality. That being said I really think the idea of personal responsibility to the reader and their own interpretation is vital and should be discussed more often in basic education.
@DMWayne-ke7fl
5 жыл бұрын
Using one verse with no context to reject an entire theology is lazy.
@mattsven
5 жыл бұрын
True. But that knife cuts both ways.
@isaacburrows8405
5 жыл бұрын
Somebody thinks jesus wants to give them money
@bernardo00124719
5 жыл бұрын
its pretty self explanatory.
@lessandri
5 жыл бұрын
on that note, maybe we shoud interpretate not what a piece of culture is trying to say on itself, but more importantly, who reads it, and why they read of it what they read. In that sense, the mean, context, and the group or person who is reading is so important as the piece of media itself, and its creator
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