I was an artist manager for a long-time. I managed a number of film composer's concert works. Everything Guy says is absolutely dead on. You have to be seen, heard, and thought of in order to be considered. Too many of my clients gave up on their concert works because they didn't understand the value of consideration. If you are on a short-list and you don't make it, that still is a good thing. You are in the running; you are being considered. The next step is to keep those newly minted relationships from going cold. Forget email, learn to make a cold call, or have the mettle to walk in to someone's office or up to someone at a film festival. Be polite... don't talk too much about yourself... do your homework.
@yishihara55527
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but I don't know of any professionals that any of that has worked for. And I've been in the trenches for decades.
@Musicman2012Now
Жыл бұрын
@@yishihara55527I have to agree with you. So many who post on Guy’s KZitem videos seem to be mesmerized by what Guy says, and tend to froth at the mouth in anticipation of licking his boots. Not this viewer. I rarely waste my time on his videos anymore, as they are, indeed for me, a huge waste of time. I see clearly through all of his hype and, frankly, BS. As I was watching this video, I was mentally taking it apart point by point. Then I realized, once again, that Guy said a lot of nothing but, in the end, accomplish what he set out to accomplish from the beginning: put out, yet, another sales pitch for his business. It would be interesting to know the statistic on how many of his thousands of Thinkspace students over the decades have gone on to be working film composers. My guess is not many…if any.
@yishihara55527
Жыл бұрын
@@Musicman2012Now After four decades in this game and graduating from a world-leading conservatory, I believe that the entire industry is a big scam designed to put money in the pockets of "enablers" (instrument/gear/supply manufacturers and "ejukaturs"). I find it HIGHLY immoral when one realizes that they really can't survive in a given field to then shift gears and become a business person knowing full well that they are making money off people's dreams that will never come true. See, it's all based on hope, and it's even worse than going to a casino because of the deep personal element involved. Many wannabe music stars, be it composers or performers, have mental issues that cause them to seek validation. A true musician will keep playing if there is no money or people (audiences) to be found...this is what people just don't understand. And it cracks me up when a musician says, "I do it for the people." I know that's not true because musicians, including classical musicians, tend to be some of the most nasty people out there.
@MichelBarbaro
2 жыл бұрын
20+ years of experience condensed into 4 minutes. That's priceless! Thank you so much Guy!
@elenaspano5067
3 жыл бұрын
I’m a senior in high school (I’m currently 18) and I’ve been playing the piano since I was ten, and the violin since I was 13. A year ago I started playing the guitar, too. In my country (Italy) there’s this “special” kind of high school you can attend: they call it “musical high school”. You have to audition to get in. I auditioned when I was 13 and I got in. It’s just a regular high school, really, but you learn about music theory, harmony, music production and history of music. And, most important thing, you study two instruments that you can choose (well, kinda... ): the first one is the one you auditioned with (it’s the piano for me) and the second one is assigned (violin for me). I’m about to dive into my last high school year and I know that this is what I want to do: film composition. I know about harmony, and music theory, and I play three instruments, and yet sometimes even I get the feeling that I’ll never make it. My question is: how do I make it? What do I study at university? I know that there is a master in “Composition for screen” but I need an undergraduate degree before doing that, and I have no idea what to get it in. I also want to attend university in a country that will give me more opportunities, job-wise. People think that if you want to peruse a music career, Italy is the best country but, trust me, when it comes to composition, it really isn’t. Ennio Morricone is the exception. Nobody makes it here. I’m so lost. I know what I want to do, but I have no idea where to start. If someone has any ideas or any piece of advice, I’m begging you to share. Thanks for reading.
@HalValla01
4 жыл бұрын
"Meet people" Yea, that would be possible at these times...
@emanuel_soundtrack
3 жыл бұрын
unfortunely the youtubers got somehow too easy to say such vague things
@ViolinAround
5 жыл бұрын
Just stumbled across your channel and as an aspiring composer think it's going to be such a great resource and sound advice! Just SUBSCRIBED! Thanks so much
@ThinkSpaceEducation
5 жыл бұрын
Great!
@JornLavoll
5 жыл бұрын
Check out their online course. Highly recommended!
@jacksp8de
5 жыл бұрын
You can also do music sync licensing. That’s what I do. Although, I want to get into composing as well.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
5 жыл бұрын
Synch is very good but you need to have a good way to distribute
@rogernewton7831
4 жыл бұрын
Tip No. 1.0.1 - write music that dialogue can go over.
@FreakieFan
3 жыл бұрын
a.k.a. write boring music, which most of the time, is sadly what is required.
@rogernewton7831
3 жыл бұрын
@@FreakieFan - Doesn't have to be boring. It's simply a technique that's required to give music editors an easier life. No one is really listening to the music on TV. The music is there for another purpose. A lot of it is boring. But that's entirely up to the writer.
@FreakieFan
3 жыл бұрын
@@rogernewton7831 So you just proved my point?
@rogernewton7831
3 жыл бұрын
@@FreakieFan - How?
@emanuel_soundtrack
2 жыл бұрын
@@FreakieFan haha ya, there is two side in this.
@dafingaz
5 жыл бұрын
Great ideas!
@BarryDoubletBoardGames
5 жыл бұрын
Super tips, although 1 and 2 seem to contradict each other. The music people actually want to buy is Hanz Zimmer , hench it's the longest que
@ThinkSpaceEducation
5 жыл бұрын
What I meant was the shortest line in terms of competition for work. Film composition is still far more competitive than any other area. Even games is less competitive and in terms of effort applied to income out, TV is best of the lot. The shortest line is where competition is manageable rather than insane. Also the more ridiculous the level of competition the less you tend to get paid, certainly to start with.
@BarryDoubletBoardGames
5 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation That makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up. I'd rather be a Mike Post or Glen A Larson than a Hanz Zimmer anyway =)
@oliveroji922
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation hey guy! I want you to be my dad. So, wither you adopt me or ill do! You're just too awesome! 😔😭😭😘😘😘
@frankspears4597
5 жыл бұрын
Good tips
@backyardblasters
2 жыл бұрын
Thaknkyou :-D
@samhorizon3909
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all of your advices ! Nice discovering to me that is your channel !
@AndreasvanHaren
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Guy! Do you have plans to create more Scene Scoring videos? I find it very inspiring to see the different approaches. Maybe a video in which you first kind of Spot the scene, adding idea markers etc? And tips on how to use themes and motives within a scene/connected scenes would be greatly appreciated!
@robertone6602
2 жыл бұрын
Please tell me, can i become a composer for film or games etc, just studying from books such as armony and counterpont? or i really need 10 years of conservatory? Many thanks
@gabrield.cstoica1832
5 жыл бұрын
Súper consejo y un buen maestro como siempre... le apreció muchísimo y confío en todo lo que el nos aconseja siempre!
@spost26
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content! Also, beautiful blue strat!
@muzikmystro
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Guy. Fantastic vid. Looking to apply to Thinkspace / Chichester soon for a masters. Currently scoring an indie film. Have some academic training in both game and film music, but keeping a flexible open mind in which sub-industry I’d like to work in eventually!
@muzikmystro
5 жыл бұрын
And yes, I went to a table quiz being held by a production company and got the job by speaking to them and handing them my card! Networking, sociability and a little bit of neck never did any harm! :)
@d_s_ctube
5 жыл бұрын
Great advice sir.
@andybullemor-music5928
4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos they are really opening this world up for me. This is my aspiration in life to compose for film, TV and games. I have left it late in life and I am in my early 40s now. I have other financial necessities such as family etc. So my question is where do I start with equipment/software. I currently use an M-Audio midi keystation 49 but I don't like the feel, but I cannot afford to upgrade this. I am using Logic Pro X on a Mac that is running quite slow now after 6 years. And I have downloaded the Spitfire Audio Labs and BBC Symphony Orchestra and Kontakt Player and some other free plugins. But what do I do now? Who do I contact? I am still holding down a full time job and I am composing in spare time but I need something to add my music to.
@alanhuelar1641
4 жыл бұрын
great composer.
@Pajabow
5 жыл бұрын
You're cool 😎
@offlinemode92
2 жыл бұрын
Where can i enroll to learn how to make... Music for film and tv... From scratch... I have no idea... Where to start please... Help me... I need to learn from basic to advanced... I am ready to give myself next three to three years... Dedicatedly. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@AdamFBuchanan
2 жыл бұрын
hi Can I use copywriter footage and write the music over it for a portfolio examples? Let's say an action sequence of a Marvel movie.
@davidklemencz
5 жыл бұрын
❤️
@andypryce7417
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Guy thank you very much for all the great info you share. If you are starting out, is being in LA or London advantage in getting gigs as networking is one of the most important things in business. Or remotely submitting demos and such can get you anything?For example does someone living in Berlin and trying to get into the scene has lesser chance although the music is good quality? Also are the agencies best way to find a place in this business? Thank you again
@yishihara55527
Жыл бұрын
Network what though? Almost no one in the industry is going to speak with you. If they see that you are confident and serious, many times they will insult you in front of a group of people in order to remind you that you are not part of an elite group. So honestly if you want a strong chance at succeeding, you need to be a whore just like the others in Hollywood. I know this one girl who came on the scene much later than I did. Absolutely fucking SHAMELESS. She has no knowledge of music...just some sound designer (AKA button pusher) and songwriter. Well guess what? She started banging a somebody and has been scoring not cable TV but fucking PRIMETIME TV shows! And this kind of shit goes on all the time...absolute insanity. Pressing a few buttons and playing digital Legos does not make someone a musician/composer. Toys as in DAWs and gear just provide a false sense of hope. There is no substitute for the skills that a musician acquires from playing since childhood. How can you orchestrate better than I can when I played in orchestras since the 1980s? Even when I was in film scoring school, the professors surrendered and simply told everyone, "He has fantastic orchestration skills far beyond any of us here because he's played in orchestras and chamber ensembles." And this is something that might send chills down a pro's spine: I NEVER studied orchestration or composition (they didn't even teach composition in my classes so I never formally learned). It's all based on natural ability because of my orchestral experience. And for composition, I don't even need a piano/keyboard because I can imagine all the instruments in various combinations on demand in my brain. Can you honestly say that you can imagine the sound of an orchestra section playing together? For the few that said yes, can you imagine the section of a particular orchestra (like the brass section of the CSO from its golden age under Reiner) playing? I have Bud Herseth in my ears on demand! Oh wait, I just heard Wynton because I wanted to. This is what happens to some people when they spend most of their lives listening and playing. It's not something some of us do. It's something that we live day in and day out. So for some of you to head down to Guitar Center, buy a bunch of gear, and then call yourselves "composers" is not only an insult to people like me but also an insult to yourself. Do the damn work first! And for people who think I am anti-DAW, I am not. However, they need to be used in the right way. In fact, many of you have read some of my translations (user guides, etc.) from a major gear manufacturer, so it's safe to say that I know a little something about the tech. One of my main complaints is that many of you become limited in your writing because you tend to use the best sounding samples. This means that you will be subconsciously conditioned over time to perhaps write staccato string parts instead of legato simply because your legato samples sound shitty. It starts placing limitations on the imagination. Alexandre Desplat has spoken about this as well. If you compose in boxes, your compositions will sound like boxes. You don't know what you don't know.
@yishihara55527
Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: I knew one of Henri Mancini's main orchestrators. Once Mancini died, guess where he ended up? In a store similar to Guitar Center selling gear along with the 20 year old wannabe pop stars. It was so painful to see an elderly man in that situation. This is what happens when you live in the real world.
@kirbyspencer
5 жыл бұрын
I have found that your first tip and your second tip are in practice - contradictive. :/ Edit - The other tips are absolutely spot on.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
5 жыл бұрын
I understand what you're getting at and that is exactly why this is so hard. You need to be an original voice but within the parameters of what the market expects. I never said it was easy! If you look at people like Daniel Pemberton he has completely nailed that. But as I mention to @Board Games Everyone Should, I was really talking about level of competition for work vs financial return.
@kirbyspencer
5 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Yeah, none of it is easy and I do understand its a balance. I also think it would be a good topic to expand upon for newer folks. That being said I should have put in my comment that the other tips are spot on. I've never landed a job through email or Facebook and I'm a massive fan of learning and upskilling.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
5 жыл бұрын
Not really but I dont think I made the point clearly enough. Scarcity = Value is an old marketing maxim. There is absolutely no scarcity of pastiche Zimmer music which any producer can buy for $10 on Audiojungle. Why when there is such a ridiculous oversupply of it would you try to write that style of music if your aim was to make money? Also, almost all the clients I deal with are simply not asking for more of the same. Almost without exception they want something fresh and distinctive. Even when they do want something fairly predictable, often the only way you stand out from the crowd to get the job in the first place is by sounding different to everyone else!
@kirbyspencer
5 жыл бұрын
@@ThinkSpaceEducation I agree wholeheartedly with these sentiments- your clients sound great. I can only speak as a person that works on small indy projects. Trying to offer an alternative to that $10 audiojungle avenue is hard sometimes. 😕
@ThinkSpaceEducation
5 жыл бұрын
@@kirbyspencer It really is. What often happens is they hire you because you sound different and then ask you to do something very conventional which is frustrating
@mrsqueaks1154
3 жыл бұрын
Do I need a degree to become a film composer as a living? I'm learning how to use DAWs, and I'm working hard. So long as I can make good quality music, do I really need a degree?
@delta606
2 жыл бұрын
There are extraordinary, incredible composers that don't have any degree in music. That said, they are really masters of their job and they have come to know as much if not more than people with degrees, so no you don't necessarily need a degree but you need to learn as much as these people do through your work to be able to create versatile musical experiences
@emanuel_soundtrack
2 жыл бұрын
you need to be able to read a score composed by john williams if you want to be a classical film composer. Otherwise you can be a pop composer. For any case, hire a good artist as your teacher, not a fake.
@notreallydavid
4 жыл бұрын
persistEnt!
@Sajikjkuwait
3 жыл бұрын
I think he worked for marvel's super hero squad
@LindaMissad
5 жыл бұрын
And I would like to add -- to make all of these tips work for you, Take Thinkspace Education courses! They are fantastic and give you the skills and tools you need to make these tips possible.
@ThinkSpaceEducation
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Linda :)
@omarnaimsawaya4297
5 жыл бұрын
The hardest part it’s to work on your sample reel .. at least for me as I got to get the right theme and work endless hours ..that’s hard !! for unsolicited music ..but that’s the way
@ThinkSpaceEducation
5 жыл бұрын
The best sample reel tracks come from jobs you worked on with real clients. But failing that, set yourself a deadline, produce a few tracks and then choose which ones to work up into polished demos
@omarnaimsawaya4297
5 жыл бұрын
ThinkSpace Education thank very much! ..I need to be more consistent and push myself to get more productive..and get that personal touch that would separate myself from the rest !!
@raymonddukes1656
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, ok, a zebra!
@achintyasinghbaghela1582
2 жыл бұрын
adopt me please
@trevormadsen
2 жыл бұрын
Who says Hans Zimmer is an outstanding film composer?! He can not even read sheet music!
@emanuel_soundtrack
2 жыл бұрын
he is a great pop composer
@yishihara55527
Жыл бұрын
You obviously have never lived in LA. Useless info.
@joelmartinez5111
4 жыл бұрын
Not very helpful
@emanuel_soundtrack
3 жыл бұрын
the video is absolutely vague; i wonder if he got very easy getting the first jobs
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