Zimmermans are still extremely good. Now they just feel more in line with the other Shotguns. Still extremely effective in their optimal range, but no longer oppressive in nearly every matchup. Which is good! A shotgun DESERVES to be able to shred in close range. The people who feel nothing happened are just playing within optimal ranges more often, and the people who feel it's now worthless are playing at the edge of their old effective range. Simple as that.
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
Pretty much this. It has a higher skill ceiling now for PvP, and those using them in the sorties won't notice much besides some bosses taking a bit longer
@Marked__One
11 ай бұрын
I used them w twin stun launchers to beat AllMind last night and absolutely slapped him. So i literally didn’t notice at all
@nintara3746
11 ай бұрын
from what i've heard this boss got a slight nerf too, you're better off testing it against something else
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
Since it wasn't my preference, I didn't have much footage of the Zims pre nerf, it was the best clip I had of a solid fight to make a comparison with which is why I chose it. If the boss received a nerf I certainly didn't notice when I went to get this footage, was pretty much as annoying as it was the first time.
@keroro407
11 ай бұрын
The stagger gauge recovery from the Zimm are too quick, you won't be able to build stagger the way you used to. Since it is also easier to dodge now, even if you manage to hit, the effect doesn't last long. Instead of you using it traditionally, it's better in my opinion to build stagger using other weapons, and only use the Zimm when the stagger meter is almost full, and if you want to use the Zimm to punish staggered enemy, you better bring two. For example, use the rifles/machine guns to build up stagger, when you're around 70-80% stagger, close in and use the Zimm, if you manage to hit and break the bar, the enemy will be open for punishment. Then you can go to town with your weapon of choice.
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
I'm fine with this honestly, I always preferred using rifles anyway. I think the shotguns should have always required this level of careful thought to be used effectively. Definitely looking forward to trying some of the parts that got buffed to see what's viable.
@haydentravis3348
11 ай бұрын
@@impossibleironman Nerfs in general feel bad, where as bring all the other weapons up to par with Zimmies would have felt amazing and let do much more diverse builds/playstyles. A nerf does essentially the same exact thing, but... it just feels like I'm losing out, even though we're gaining all the same diversity and utility. Nerfs just feel bad.
@haydentravis3348
11 ай бұрын
Nerfs just feel bad. Buffs for other weapons do the same exact thing, but feel way better.
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
The Zims did invalidate a lot of variety pre nerf though. Sure you can simply buff everything else to be comparable, but if everything is as ridiculous as pre nerf Zims that does just as much to hurt build variety. Builds should fit a playstyle niche IMO, effective within a range that suits how someone is comfortable playing. The Zimmerman before was like using slugs in a traditional shotgun, turned it into more of a rifle, breaking the idea that it should function best in its effective range.
@francisharkins
11 ай бұрын
Now if only they'd cut the weight down on Redshift (rifle) and the Karasawa a bit. Zimmerman isn't the end all be all in PvE either. It just has the most optimal single target dps. Not requiring a long charge up, telegraphed attack, an absurd amount of EN/Weight to use, slow reload/overheat timer. Zimmerman probably got the nerf because of PvP builds though, cause even post nerf its still a very nasty harassment tool.
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
Oh I agree, I don't even prefer to use them even pre nerf. More of a rifle user myself, but I was curious about how much they were impacted. The requirements on the EN weapons are def absurd, I've tried to make builds with them but it's very restricted since almost everything results in EN shortfall. As far as PvP goes I'm hoping the nerf will lead to some more variety, from what I've seen it has accomplished that to some degree
@francisharkins
11 ай бұрын
@@impossibleironman For me the EN load makes sense, its primarily an energy weapon... but I never understood why they are all so heavy compared to Kinetic weapons. You'd think the Kinetic weapons would be heavier but easier on the EN load because of the physical mass of their ammunition, well the energy weapons would require more EN but weigh less since their ammo isn't actually solid matter.. Oh well I guess. Lol, its kinda the same beef I have with the Chang-Chen being the Ludlow with worse stats besides ammo capacity. Zimmermans I only used if I had a boss with a shorter damage window or was just a bullet sponge. Think the only boss I had to use stun needles on besides the Ice Worm would be the last boss from the Fires of Raven ending... because constant Pulse shields on a boss that fast until phase 2 was annoying with a normal loadout.
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
That's a fair point, I'm sure it is one of those game balance vs what would make more sense from a design point of view type things, at least in their eyes. The Karasawa has always been sought after in the old games and I can't help but wonder if they figured that trend would continue in this game. With other builds determining the "meta" though perhaps the en builds will receive some kind of adjustment in the near future.
@francisharkins
11 ай бұрын
@@impossibleironman True. I feel like they could make EN builds more accessible, especially with how most baring 1 or 2 EN weapons fire in incrediblly slow fire rates which help balance them out. Its not like we are outright rocking laser machine guns after all (even if that would be badass) lol
@haydentravis3348
11 ай бұрын
Funny that you don't mention how charged weapons for you to stop all motion to fire, a huge downside to all of those weapons. Especially for lightweight builds, using anything that stops you is highly dangerous and extremely situational. IE you have to time it perfectly or commit suicide.
@Hipojak
11 ай бұрын
Are you avoiding hard lock on purpose? They still slap.
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
I use it more in the second fight, but since I didn't use the Zimmerman all that much (more of a rifle user) it didn't make sense for me to use it at range all that much, so I wasn't used to using it in the first clip. Vaati has a whole video about how you hit more shots at range when not using hard lock.
@holow3038
11 ай бұрын
They did something to Raven? The original one , yesterday i was testing weapons for Ibis with her but surprisingly she destroyed me 😂 ....i defeated her a few times already before but for some reason she was more aggressive and in the end i had to use my normal build to defeat her and even like that it was clearly stronger
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
Apparently a lot of the bosses got tweaked. I didn't notice it with Reach the Coral Convergence, but I'll have to go through and see what I notice in other missions.
@driftzone5586
11 ай бұрын
I just come offline and it’s a bazooka shoot off now 🤦🏾♂️
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
I believe it, everyone wanting to test the explosion/velocity changes
@harmonhendricks9207
11 ай бұрын
Made a good weapon worthless even though there are so many better weapons than the shotguns, they took away to use of them. Now they're worthless. Another weapon in a game never to be used.
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
I don't think it's worthless IMO, just requires more finesse to utilize now. Still hits insanely hard. I will give you that as far as "meta" builds are concerned though the choices are more limited than they should be with so many parts available.
@haydentravis3348
11 ай бұрын
@@impossibleironman Why even respond to such a hot take XD
@impossibleironman
11 ай бұрын
@@haydentravis3348 Everyone can feel how they wish about it. I don't have to agree with it ofc, but I won't harp on someone for feeling differently either.
@holow3038
11 ай бұрын
Is still strong I just use those yesterday to defeat Ibis
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