Thanks for watching. If you're interested in seeing more of these portables check out one of my favourite videos here kzitem.info/news/bejne/r3unzICaiHuFdHo
@COSMIC_SECRET
7 ай бұрын
I believe you should get a main control panel
@nics-systems-electric
7 ай бұрын
@@COSMIC_SECRET I have several
@michellebertrand7702
2 ай бұрын
That was a good video, I didn’t know how portables were moved!@@nics-systems-electric
@kc0eks
11 ай бұрын
I'm an IT guy and this entire process reminds me of so many times tracking down weird issues. Makes you go insane then that final moment where you find the problem it is just amazing.
@Wtfinc
11 ай бұрын
It kills having other people with me like that. Usually distracting. Sometimes very helpful tho.
@zombieregime
11 ай бұрын
Never trust labels that can be moved 100%, even if you did them yourself.
@devinbaeten13
11 ай бұрын
Came here to say this lmao
@lawrenceplays
11 ай бұрын
I'm from an IT background and if I had a problem where the monitoring /diag tool says it's one device but that device is showing its operating normally, then my first instinct is to look at all the other devices to see if they are working normally.
@HogwartsBasement
11 ай бұрын
You need to completely destroy the place demolish all the buildings and then you realise that Janice the cleaner unplugged the power cable to vacuum
@FloppyDiskMaster
11 ай бұрын
No idea what any of this is, but thanks for helping me procrastinate from cleaning for another 70 minutes
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
This is one of my favourite comments I don't have to give some complicated response lol
@SundayBoy72
11 ай бұрын
Me too.. it’s so fascinating seeing the troubleshooting… so z z z z … I’m back 🥹😬
@cargamer212
Ай бұрын
It's a fire alarm dumb
@impsh500
11 ай бұрын
@nics-systems-electric: As a fellow fire alarm tech, for future reference with EST / Kidde fire alarm panels when a module/detector, etc. goes into alarm / trouble condition the panel should also show the module's serial number (this same number would match the serial number sticker on the module itself). Granted, that is dependent on if the original installer/programmer kept the module's serial number in programming. On that type of panel, try the status button to see if additional info shows the active module's serial number. That serial number can make it easier to troubleshoot and narrow down the possibilities of what is causing the fault / issue.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
That's a good call. Thanks for the tip. I admit I got complete tunnel vision looking at the labelling trying to find it that way which is obviously something to avoid while troubleshooting. and look at the whole picture. But I should've known better. I even did use the status light to check for any helpful information, I should've considered that. Thanks again for the tip
@wolphin732
11 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric Skipping steps in troubleshooting... especially when on call-in was something I worked to stop doing. Gather information (Symptoms, Errors, what has happened, what steps have already been done), Question contact/user (to confirm details -- say it back to confirm it is heard/understood correctly, and as much details), Identify symptoms (as may be some not noticed), Determine if any changes have been done, if so when/what, duplicate (confirm the symptoms and errors are still there... and it hasn't just resolved itself), most important... resolve one issue at a time. At points you seemed to start, then jumped to doing something else, but with the security system and fire alarms interconnected... that would be harder to do.
@impsh500
11 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric Been there, done that w/ the "Tunnel Vision" happening. :) I recently had a Kidde VS system that would randomly pop the dreaded "System Ground Fault" message that would last for a few seconds on the signaling line circuit (SLC). Tore the SLC apart several times trying to isolate / segment down to locate the cause, and banged my head against the wall. Turned out to be a faulty switch on a sprinkler tamper valve that was causing the ground fault condition. I forget what I had done, but I had managed to get the panel to say what SLC device had the fault on it and once that happened figuring out the exact cause was super simple. It's all good in the end. :)
@russellhltn1396
11 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric Part of it is you were too trusting in the labeling. Incorrect documentation is a fact of life. Don't be too quick to judge, but consider it when things don't add up.
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Update on the situation we had a technician come out on Monday. Me and the tech put every portable into trouble temporarily one at a time to get all the modules labelled properly. The problem module was working perfectly fine so we did not replace it personally I would have anyways, however the tech left us a spare module to put in place if it acts up again. The long-term solution is to replace the system. We did have our company that deals with notifier go through a walk-through of the building with us. So we did get a quote to replace the system with notifier. It would not be a full addressable swap, but a direct replacement with addressable smokes and modules and leaving conventional zones. But replacing bells with the one for one upgrade of horn strobes for now and then likely coming back later and adding more as horn strobes are not as effective as bells. However this summer is extremely busy with other system upgrades and annual testing as well as moving several portables school to school. so this upgrade would not be done until spring break or winter break of the 2023/2024 school year.
@josephfrye7342
Жыл бұрын
oh bloody hell with these quickstart series. :\ sometimes Simplex and Edwards are decent brands except Quickstart series.
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
@@josephfrye7342 some of EST's products are not bad. Simplex products aren't terrible however their customer service is so as a company they are not good
@achannelwithnopurpose1977
Жыл бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric Simplex is mainly recognized for their products. If it wasn’t for JCI (and mostly their business model), Simplex would be even more prevalent and probably run circles around Honeywell’s brands. But it’s nice to see the quickstart finally get what’s coming to it. Please keep it and durability test it. Plug the slc into 120v and watch the carnage.
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
@Marc Leslie as far as coolness and the nice sound I do prefer the bells but I have to look at it from a realistic standpoint and realize that the strobes are the future with less current draw more reliable
@adamcrane1436
Жыл бұрын
Good morning @@nics-systems-electric
@Zinojn
11 ай бұрын
This is fascinating to me -- I work in the tech/IT side of systems engineering but have always been curious what sys engineering means to some of my peers in other industries! Subscribed.
@mewing-gawd
Жыл бұрын
next video: welcome back to durability testing today we’re testing est panel
@ChrisTopher284765490
Жыл бұрын
Thats Funny And So True !
@Mikey_the_Protogen
11 ай бұрын
Lol
@ElevatorWasher5000
11 ай бұрын
That’s the next video
@s0584333
11 ай бұрын
Accurate labeling is important. When the system is installed every point needs to be tested and verified for accuracy before it is signed off by the intaller, fire department and owner. annual testing should also verify accuracy. Failures of many parties led to this issue being this difficult to troubleshoot. Hopefully lessons were learned during this and this will help in future trouble shooting.
@russellhltn1396
11 ай бұрын
It appears that it was accurate between the sensor and the front panel, but the modules themselves were not properly labeled. Apparently that's not checked as part of the annual. Nor would it really need to be as it's not safety critical. It's just for the tech's convenience.
@johnrauner2515
11 ай бұрын
This was just terrible troubleshooting. He lept to a rash conclusion without any supporting evidence and then went about handling the situation as though his idea it was software was correct. This was so drawn out because his approach was miopic. First rule in a situation like this is DO NOT FIXATE. All he had to do was keep an open mind. He closed his mind and convinced himself the first thing he thought of was the answer and that decision tied him up in knots. Instead of grabbing the first thing he thought of as correct and thus not even thinking about others, he should have said software could be causing this but it might be something else entirely. And kept looking to see what else could also be the cause. He didn't keep looking because he was convinced he was already right.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
@@johnrauner2515 that's not true I never once said this is the problem for sure if I didn't have an open mind the problem wouldn't have been solved
@russellhltn1396
11 ай бұрын
@@johnrauner2515 I agree it's a poor example, but it's not like I've never gone down the wrong rabbit hole. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He looks to be pretty young. Hopefully he learns from it.
@jerrykorman7770
10 ай бұрын
My favourite is building P&ID or other diagrams, that have “TO BE FIELD VERIFIED”
@G-ManFinalBoss
Жыл бұрын
This is so cool. I love electric videos(battery’s, ups) and troubleshooting
@sharkey086
11 ай бұрын
Reminds me of dealing with all the quarks of the fire system at a large museum I worked for. That thing was so temperamental (FCI) and only myself and 2 others knew how to troubleshoot it. Made for some long days and nights.
@firekaarla420
Жыл бұрын
Best 1 hour and 10 minutes of my day
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Thanks glad you enjoyed
@firekaarla420
Жыл бұрын
Yea
@GaryBeltz
Жыл бұрын
I think Mr. Quickstart needs to be replaced with a nice Notifier NFS
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Yeah couple weeks after this we did a walk-through of the building with our notifier guys to get a quote for replacement
@jacobflanigan6343
Жыл бұрын
If the quick start gets replaced with an nfs, will there be fire suppression
@GaryBeltz
Жыл бұрын
@@jacobflanigan6343 not unless the school has servers that they need to protect usually suppression systems are only for pressurized server rooms
@EASsirenVids01
Жыл бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric will there be a video on replacing that system?
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
@@EASsirenVids01 yes I will most likely make a video if I'm part of this replacement project which I likely will be and as for the other comment about suppression system no suppression system has nothing to do with a fire alarm upgrade and they are only put in place in specialty areas which this building does not have any that would require such system
@Pbell
11 ай бұрын
Yeah man, did commercial fire alarms for many years not doing it anymore but. I want to see some ground fault videos. I was the guy you sent to find the ground fault and I was damn good at finding and repairing them.
@lawrence_Cuzo1029
Жыл бұрын
It’s cool how you can help with the fire alarms in systems are you a part of the district? How are you able to do these type of jobs? Love your videos❤
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Yes I work with the electrical department of the school district
@mewing-gawd
Жыл бұрын
my old school had an EST system in which we would have “fire drills” every few days.
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Special EST feature some of the best surprise drills out there
@lukep4339
Жыл бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric My district *only* uses EST, we had a few "surprise" drills
@mewing-gawd
Жыл бұрын
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@ABCEasyas--
Жыл бұрын
Yep, one year in college I lived in a dorm/apartment that had EST alarms and panel. Fire alarms went off (whether it was a prank, burnt food, or system failure) almost every week!
@parker02311
11 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric My school uses EST, get surprise drills every once and a while. However I think this is more because of the large amount of pull stations in opened and unattended classrooms, could also be both. EST is popular around where I live
@jeffjohnsisland5551
11 ай бұрын
This is first vid of yours I have watched. I am the one at work that handles fire alarm problems. Not certified, just onsite guy with knowledge. I felt your pain as you were trying to figure out the problem. I was telling you to bypass the SLC when you were disconnecting the zone circuit and then you did. 😁 yea! I keep some emergency rations in my work vehicle. My choice is a couple of cans of pull tab top chili (I can eat it cold if I have to), a couple plastic spoons and some bottles of water. It’s hard to think straight when you are hungry or thirsty. Sometimes you have to stop and fuel up so you can figure out the problem. Sometimes fueling up also helps get your patience back. Like your tool bag with pockets for everything. I think I will get one like it. I think you have the brains to work through problems like that panel. Sometimes it’s easy to get stuck on the idea that the problem is “A” and you have to remember to stop and reevaluate, is there a “B”! I have nine months before I retire, you have a bit more😝. Make it a goal to work a tiny bit smarter every day! Best wishes, Jeff
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Hey thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the video and for sure can't think well when you're hungry lol
@trainfan4014
Жыл бұрын
I love the video u uploaded today. Keep up the good work!
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@johndeerefan725
Жыл бұрын
Obviously it's a QuickStart and I see why EST discontinued the QuickStart and I've never saw one in person. I see EST3s and EST iO panels and those I think do slightly better than QuickStarts.
@spectacularhurricanecat
10 ай бұрын
I LOVE this kind of problem solving in IT
@Peekofwar
11 ай бұрын
Would be useful if the red lights stayed illuminated on the module when it alarms... At least for a few seconds so that you can more easily spot it.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
For sure
@jeremymathias2280
11 ай бұрын
Seriously, status lights are useless if you see the damn things
@nickvezmar3845
11 ай бұрын
I didn't see it in the video, but did you check for any induced voltage? Not just coming off the dry contacts for the module, but also pulling the SLC off completely from the panel and checking. I completely understand the labeling problem though, that's quite a headache, so you're literally chasing ghosts if you don't know what you're looking for exactly.
@fatboyfat_uk
10 ай бұрын
Interesting stuff. The fact that you drive from the portables to the main school and back so many times instead of just walking is the most American thing ever though! 😂
@nics-systems-electric
10 ай бұрын
I'm in Canada and when you've got 40 pounds of tools it's easier to drive lol
@gregbouchard414
5 ай бұрын
Keep up there good work on here
@ObamnaSoda513
Жыл бұрын
will you guys replace it this summer???
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
No at the time of making this video there was no plans for replacement however a couple weeks after we did a walk-through with our notifier guys and got a quote for replacement but we have too many other things going on this summer that this will probably be sometime in the 2023/2024 school year
@ObamnaSoda513
Жыл бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric K that makes sense thanks
@amahlaka
11 ай бұрын
Great video, and really relatable, in the sense of rabbithole-troubleshooting, been guilty of that many-many times in my industry as well. While the time spent diagnosing the control unit/brains of the machine could be considered “wasted time” by some, it actually provided a great learning opportunity to you (and us). Confirmation-bias is super common when doing complex troubleshooting for extended periods of time😅 Thanks for the captions that explain the problem early on, as otherwise i would have had no idea what was going on. It is sad-funny(or ironic?) that the module that was causing the alarms was right next to the one you were looking at.
@UpcraftConsulting
11 ай бұрын
At 1:01:47 is the exact moment I think you may have "fixed" the glitch. Wire just fell off was what was said. And it was not one of the 2 wires removed for testing from what I could see.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
I believe it was a different zone altogether even if it was the right zone it was still solid contact until it broke as the wire didn't fall off it broke off from fatigue if it had been loose even still fire alarms are a normally open system so loose contact only will cause trouble not full alarm
@jayhollowayii2
11 ай бұрын
Hey mate good video love the technology things
@nathanreay7032
Жыл бұрын
It’s a good day when I get a notification that one of my favorite KZitemrs uploaded a video 😊😊
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support glad you enjoy
@hypnotic8285
11 ай бұрын
man a long time has came for this channel, i remember when this was called pickle700 or something like that but keep up the content
@matthewantonucci6751
Жыл бұрын
Hey Nic, I Would Just Upgrade The Whole System To A Napco Gemini Commercial Combo Burglar/Fire Security System!
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
We do have a quote to replace the system with a real fire alarm system we will be installing a notifier system likely a 320
@NyxKemo
Жыл бұрын
Combo panels are illegal in Canada and they’re crap anyway
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
@@NyxKemo someone finally said it I do agree. They are OK for residential but for commercial get a real System
@ChrisTopher284765490
Жыл бұрын
Hope that low air wasn’t the dry pipe. Hopefully there’s a Pre Action System there also
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
No pre-action system just a wet system in the main building and dry system in the portables as well as the band hall building is a partial dry system the low air trouble is not actually there the panel just comes up with random stuff when it's resetting or has been messed with at all
@jayhollowayii2
11 ай бұрын
Also nice radio music choice lol 😊
@cvalenx
Жыл бұрын
I got to wonder, since its only the outdoor portable's going off, is it a wire that's shorting out somewhere from the building to the portable units?
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
If you were asking about the zone coming off of the modules in the E-house then no as I metered the zone that was in alarm and only read the end of line resistor not a short
@Icee-On-YT
Жыл бұрын
Nice video nick
@carwashreviewsandmore7609
11 ай бұрын
I used to be a fire alarm enthusiast before joining the car wash community (do not join the car wash community, you will regret it) but even still this is fascinating. I love these kinds of videos of troubleshooting computer systems and whatnot, absolutely love it. Keep up the good work.
@mattmakesmachines
11 ай бұрын
Join the tornado siren community
@stevecraft00
11 ай бұрын
The 3 bells pattern. Is that pretty standard in the usa? I live in the uk and we fit fire angel smoke alarms in houses, they have the same pattern, 3 beeps - most brands just have continuous short beeps. In commercial fire alarms here bells arent normally used - we have sirens or vsrious types - some are a constant sound, some are a "repeating climb" noise. But the rules are the same type must be fitted throughout a building. Amazed to see those portable classrooms have sprinklers in them! My school had some portable units but i think the rules for them in the uk are far less strict - sprinklers are required in far less places here.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
This is Canada depending on the municipality sprinklers are required portables not all of them require it mine does
@suzylarry1
Жыл бұрын
the fact that they are registered / labeled wrong really really suck ! You trust on test when it was installed would have been caught ! all in a day of headaches.
@kuramagb
11 ай бұрын
biggest Lesson is never presume anything even in your own team/company there always going to be that one thing which slips even in years of checking verify verify verify
@hampton-roads-bus-guy
10 ай бұрын
Hey just curious what kinda car were u driving in this video?
@nics-systems-electric
10 ай бұрын
03 Honda pilot
@RobloxTrainspotting
7 ай бұрын
Lol i liked it when you said la la la la la to the man 😂
@LoyalmoonieProductions
5 ай бұрын
12:13 "That's a $250 fine, sir." JK 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@n9go
11 ай бұрын
This is really interesting. How does one even get into this type of work?
@user-zu1kk1td8i
3 ай бұрын
My Friend, In Edwards if you didnt enable in the program disable event to restore to normal, you cant disable input alarm devices while they are in active, short cut way is note down device address and panel and card address and then disconnect SLC wire from panel i mean power down field device and then press reset on the panel now alarm will restore and now disable and then reconnect your SLC back to the panel. now you are good.
@marshallwalker8000
11 ай бұрын
When I realized that is ALSO my old middle school!! small world!!
@TheSimplex4903
Жыл бұрын
Get this man his breakfast!
@MatthijsvanDuin
11 ай бұрын
12:00 I was a bit confused here how you'd be able to measure the loop resistance while it's in an active measurement circuit... but then you measured 0 Ω and tripped an alarm so I guess that answers that ;-)
@afiliaassela
11 ай бұрын
7:19 man a lot of fire going on there, couldnt even see anything.
@Ron2600_
11 ай бұрын
When he took off the module that you thought was an alarm and a portable other than 1 when it's in trouble you should have known right away that the labels were messed up.
@wolphin732
11 ай бұрын
When playing with it the first time and tripping a different zone... me as a computer tech goes... wait... that was a different area... As I have seen many times items are mislabelled. I prefer to confirm the device is correct device as part of my early troubleshooting, especially when playing with what should have been the device tripped something which shouldn't have been related. Figuring out which device it was at that point would have saved a lot of back and forth, especially when jumping it out didn't resolve the issue. Also... as soon as I was on-site, would have made sure whoever was responsible had notified everyone monitoring (911, security, etc) that you were working on the system before I even opened a panel or touched a button.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Yes for sure you can never trust the labelling too much and that got reinforced into my mind that day and yes definitely notify the monitoring company before going hands on which in that case I was OK to start touching stuff as the system was already in alarm and had already called out so it couldn't call out again until reset
@johnrauner2515
11 ай бұрын
I don't think this guy has the skills to be touching a system like this. He wasted most of the day running around in circles because he decided the first thing he thought of was the answer - the firmware upgrade was the problem. From there he fixated on this to the point of being myopic. This was just terrible troubleshooting. He reached a rash conclusion with no supporting evidence to justify it and then did nothing to confirm it as the cause. Eventually hours later he isolated the data channel into the panel to see if the fault went away which it did. That confirmed firmware wasn't the problem. But he should have done that test the moment he decided the firmware was the problem to confirm his conclusion or exclude it. That's just basic troubleshooting. If you think something is the cause then figure out how to confirm it and do that. Instead he spent the day running back and forth between opposite sides of the school even to the point where the two of them actually wondered around the school checking all the smokies. That right there tells you these guys shouldn't be touching this system. The moment I saw all those remote modules on that wall I knew wrong labeling was something to watch for. Especially once he'd isolated the suspect module and the fault remained. I would have then isolated the last half of those modules and seen if the fault went away. If it did then the fault was in that last set of modules (about 4 in total). If the fault remained I'd have isolated the first half as well and seen if the fault went away. Either way, isolating one half of them (and if need be the other half) would cut in half the number that then had to be isolated one by one. to find the faulty one. This should have taken them less than an hour. I also notice in one of his comments here he's wanting to replace the whole system with a new one thinking somehow that's going to make things better. When in reality this system works perfectly fine, there's nothing wrong with it apart from the occasional defect which all systems of this size have from time to time. Guys like this can cost organizations a fortune. Not only in the man hours spent on this due to how he went about it, but also in the money he's encouraging the school to waste putting in a new system to replace one that doesn't need replacing. Again, myopia. Just jumping from one rash unsupported conclusion to another. He's blaming the system for the massive amount of time spent finding this fault and hasn't learned a thing. It wasn't the system that caused this massive amount of time to be wasted. It was him.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
@@johnrauner2515 I did not jump to any conclusions not once did I say this is the problem for sure part of troubleshooting is you have to look at all possibilities
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Checking all of the smoke detectors was not my decision and with something I was asked to do
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Also not my decision to replace the system and it does not work fine at all you don't know the history
@gabelofi
11 ай бұрын
Are you contracted by the school as like a 3rd party, or do you directly work for the school like are hired as a school employee?
@Corvette1658
Жыл бұрын
Well it sounds like they definitely need a new system.
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
We have a quote for replacement
@IanGSully
Жыл бұрын
So whenever you replace they system with a Notifier System, whether that would be winter break or spring break. But anyway, to my understanding of that comment you made, you are not doing a full addressable swap. So does that mean that you are going to replace the currently addressable smoke detectors with FSP-951s? And for the pull stations, are those going to remain the same or possible lower them for ADA compliance? And then what panel are you going to put in? I feel like a Notifier NFS-320C would be too small for that building, so is going to be an NFS2-640C?
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Just a 320 will do they don't need to SLC loops or more than 318 devices and they don't need network capability so I assume we're probably doing a 320 and yes all addressable devices will be changed and because we are not altering the pull stations they should be able to be grandfathered in at their current height
@IanGSully
Жыл бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric Oh okay, so the existing conventional zones will just remain conventional then.
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
@@IanGSully yes
@IanGSully
8 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric So this will be interesting to see when the replacement happens.
@nics-systems-electric
8 ай бұрын
@@IanGSully yes all the parts are there now just waiting for a time to put it in
@MisterBroadnax
Жыл бұрын
32:05 EST: Goes Back into Alarm Nic: “God Da******”
@Spl1ntMan
10 ай бұрын
thumbs up for the security mind of your video editing.... blurring the video so the keys cant be copied... 10/10
@nics-systems-electric
10 ай бұрын
Hey thanks for recognizing that! that actually means a lot most just talk crap about it.
@tomcoward16
11 ай бұрын
I once was at a boarding school and the alarm went off in the middle of the night. my teacher joked it could be a caterpillar... it turned out to be a caterpillar! walking inside a part of the alarm system. LOL
@pzhgames
5 ай бұрын
5:09, i love that among us poster on the wall over there.
@akshonclip
11 ай бұрын
The firmware update probably scrambled the module addresses. The bad module is a separate issue.
@YourLocalFireAlarmTech
Жыл бұрын
one little gripe about EST; in alarm or activation, the LEDS should be solid Red like notifier modules instead of blinking. Their smokes do the same thing. That might have helped a bit identifying which module is acting up. Really sucks the labeling was wrong lmao. It's either that or someone put the wrong description??
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
That's what was kind of throwing me off to as I am looking for solid red however we had blinking red for whatever reason I'm not a expert on EST so I'm not sure and yeah the labelling was completely goofed up
@YourLocalFireAlarmTech
Жыл бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric Yeah I get ya bro, I'd be looking for solid red as well because I'm so used to Notifier with my company, and Simplex as my hobby systems. I would have been thrown off with y'all lmao. I'm not used to EST either but I'm trying to get into them. I hope they fix that damn labeling
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
@@YourLocalFireAlarmTech yeah the labelling was corrected on Monday when I worked with the EST tech
@SOU6900
11 ай бұрын
Seems about as complicated as a modern diesel pickup 😆
@julerobb1
Жыл бұрын
Have you tried completely restarting every panel ? As in disconnect power and battery, wait 10 seconds or so and then plug it all back in? Sometimes system reset might not work in my experience
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Watch the video through and you will see
@Ron2600_
11 ай бұрын
He did that several times.
@Jackmawer
11 ай бұрын
thanks this was super interesting, i hope the breakfast ended up being worth it 😂
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
It was lol
@NotSexualAtAll
10 ай бұрын
1:03:37 They mould the phoenix connectors into the module? The whole point of those green connectors is to make hot swaps easy. What a batty design.
@JoeCdaYT
11 ай бұрын
As someone who messes with electricity, sensors and a temperamental dodge truck with dash gauges acting up. That one loose wire that popped out as the other guy was messing with it could have caused all the problems you were seeing. Wire is loose and causing a poor connection to the module. When you tightened the screw back down on it, it took the resistance away. That is all it takes to throw those system out of whack. I had been called out on a problem with the system saying there was a trigger at the fryer fire suppression but it did not. All wires had good connections and resistor was in place. All I could suspect was there was a joint in the wire else where and I was not going to hunt it down since I was there to diagnose the Ansul box with the switch inside it. It was the other guys who were the techs of the monitors company that had all the tools needed to locate that problem. Hope this info helps you out in other jobs with fire alarm systems.
@firealarm421
Жыл бұрын
Was the dialer bypassed as you working on the system
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
No the procedures here are to call in and put the system on test/disregard
@Wire_Tech22
Жыл бұрын
Nice video!
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@stevendamavandi3482
11 ай бұрын
I was watching this last night and i fell asleep and when i went to check my tablet ib the morning it was at 2% and it was on a linus tech tips video
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Linus is awesome though so it's all worth it
@sircampbell1249
11 ай бұрын
Been in Alarm buzz started in 1979 this was painful 😫 to watch...
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Don't watch it then
@jeffgrant6914
Жыл бұрын
Good video 👍 buddy
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@lackedpuppet9022
11 ай бұрын
Is it important to set the clock on the security system or is that just a formality?
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
If the time isn't correct it's not a big deal but if it loses power completely it will have a trouble on it until you set the clock
@lackedpuppet9022
11 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric Interesting! Also, is it common to have systems you work on where loads of devices are nonfunctional? I'm obviously not a technician but that would be a major red flag for me if any institution shrugs off faulty/inoperable life safety equipment.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
@@lackedpuppet9022 no it's rare to find any devices not working let alone lots of them the life safety equipment gets tested annually
@Railfan-Travis7043
Жыл бұрын
looks like you where very busy
@michellebertrand7702
2 ай бұрын
This is not surprising for EST.
@gregbouchard414
11 ай бұрын
U got a rally good car u do hove a good car u do hove a good car u hove how are u ok today keep up there good work on here
@Aviationtravel320
Жыл бұрын
Hi nic how were the fire alarms going off
@IanGSully
10 ай бұрын
12:02 How the hell do you activate the alarm with the meter? It isn't actually shorting the terminals, right?
@nics-systems-electric
10 ай бұрын
I guess it is enough resistance to put it into alarm
@IanGSully
10 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric Huh, that's weird.
@eDoc2020
10 ай бұрын
A multimeter in resistance mode puts out a small amount of current/voltage. If you probed the circuit "backwards" this could look like a low resistance to the resistance measuring circuit in the alarm module.
@IanGSully
4 ай бұрын
@@eDoc2020 That and this system sucks so much.
@TheTechPianoPlayerKid
4 ай бұрын
The security system sounds like one of those keypads used in a DSC security system.
@michellebertrand7702
2 ай бұрын
I would like to see a 320 or 640 in that electrical room!
@nics-systems-electric
2 ай бұрын
That is the plan
@Maelael
11 ай бұрын
A malfunctioning fire alarm is a right pain in the drain. That can cause a panic that can lead to injuries.
@Casonplayz
Жыл бұрын
Any updates on that system?
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Pinned comment
@Casonplayz
Жыл бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric ok
@chadrowland5234
Жыл бұрын
We had an EST quick start system at one of our pools and I can promise you that I will never put an EST quick start system in my house. Simplex 4100U was terrible but with all of the horror stories about EST quick start panels, I would rather have a Simplex 4100U than this system.
@Ron2600_
11 ай бұрын
They stopped making them years ago.
@thethirdrail8397
11 ай бұрын
@ 1:06The flip side to the Sun records 45 of the Gentrys Song "Cinnamon Girl" is " I Just Got The News" My copy is th emono Mix, but There was a stereo if I am not wrong Canadian Mix later released. I know 99% of every 45 and Lp in my collection. over 10k 45 rpm records and a few thousand Lps!
@andrzejpociegiel8153
11 ай бұрын
Instead of measuring resistance it's better to check voltage on CT-x module input . At normal conditions there should be 7-8,5V. Without proper resistor, voltage goes up to 19 V. Alarm condition starts below 3 Volts
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
I think I was testing the circuit for end of line resistor once disconnected from the module to ensure the zone hadn't been shorted out causing the alarm
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Good information though thanks for the tip
@jrepairman
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, while you are at it, also check for voltages between each input terminal and earth ground, There is just no reason to waste time disconnecting any wires while troubleshooting. Afterall, it is the voltage level at the input that initiates various condition such as ground fault/trouble/alarm. The QuickStart is a lot older than you, LOL !!!!
@Buyer_Pro
3 күн бұрын
At my school, one time after a fire grill we went in and then it started going off again. We had to evacuate but they couldn't turn it off. So we get extra time to play We could not get in. We could only stay outside.
@dutchwolf2675
Жыл бұрын
Great video! How come you said this pullstation doesn’t work? And how did the security system go off and how does the battery drain and the panel shut off when the sirens go off? Keep up the great work.
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
There is a pull station that doesn't work in one of the portables. The security system was set off by the door that is shown a couple times in the girl washroom where the door contact is too far away from the magnet so we had to make an adjustment on Monday. Security system power supplies are tiny and don't put out much power so unlike a fire alarm system when they go into alarm they take power from the battery as well as the normal power supply to get more power for the sirens so if it's going off for hours eventually it will drain the battery
@dutchwolf2675
Жыл бұрын
@@nics-systems-electricwould you have replaced it?
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
@@dutchwolf2675 can't remember it's been a while since we looked at it
@adamcrane1436
Жыл бұрын
Hello @@nics-systems-electric
@jrepairman
11 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric It should not go on forever as the default bell time out for a DSC system is 4 minute, and if the alarm triggered on the same zone again, the system should ignore the the circuit after swinger shut down.
@iffyspeak
11 ай бұрын
i dont know why youtube recommended this to me, but i am glad it did
@dashtonic5736
11 ай бұрын
i love at 12:04 you could here the relay switch click to active the bells
@Casonplayz
Жыл бұрын
Nice video
@nics-systems-electric
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@td000009
11 ай бұрын
dont know if its relatable but the school im at had a sewage back up coming out of the floor drains we were scrambling around to disable the pumps and close all the bathrooms and turn the water off while cleaning up the mess. was coming out of drinking fountains drains and some sinks but no toilets.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Most likely a lift station has stopped operating it is extremely important that the lift stations have regular checks and maintenance as this will happen if your pumps stop running, regular maintenance like amp readings, correct rotation, sequencer testing, high-level alarm testing as well as your other floats, if it uses mechanical floats must be done
@td000009
11 ай бұрын
@NIC’S - SYSTEMS & ELECTRIC happend durning a football game too.
@Niko_851
11 ай бұрын
I know I just replied in another thread which wasn’t this one and I apologize and it was about the trouble issue I copied/pasted. Just like in this vid, if I reset completely it goes right back into alarm and bcuz the FD has been out so much they’re forcing a fire watch despite another 12 smokes being in this stairwell bcuz they say the system is compromised. Fine. My question is - since I sent you my email - if you can send me a link to send you this I can/will bcuz I’m kinda lost at how to re-enable the point with the new detector and when I put up the new one it immediately goes into trouble. It’s better than the whole building going off on alarm but it still keeps going into trouble bcuz it cannot read or find that particular detector I’m replacing. On my silent nights I usually have to address them but this is a Mircom/Simplex almost kinda combo and wanted to ask if I could run the schematic by you as to what I’m wanting to do and/or trying to do along with my wiring diagrams. I’ve just never had to address em on this type of system just plug and play basically via the serial # and the literature isn’t very helpful nor working LOL so yeah - I apologize for even asking and bothering but I’d you happen to have a few and feel like lending a hand I’d be eternally grateful! You’ve got my email so if I hear from ya I thank you kindly in advance! Have a good Saturday night
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
I haven't dealt with enabling and disabling specific points on Mircom or Simplex but most brands are the same where you will need to get into programming and the steps from there could vary but you'll need to know the address should be the same one that's in trouble if it's disabled And re-enable it however that can look different depending on the panel I'm sure this wasn't helpful at all I apologize
@Niko_851
11 ай бұрын
@@nics-systems-electric no worries at all thanks for trying and letting me know at least. That counts 😉🤗. I figured it out anyway and honestly by trial and error. This panel doesn’t even have alpha - only a numeric keypad - so it took me a good half hour just to get the characters typed once I found the point. I think this is due for an upgrade. It’s just too archaic acting and the smokes used are ridiculously expensive. Another capital expense to put up for yeahhhh more money outta my pocket yeahhhhh 🤣🤣🤷🏻♂️
@thecaz001
5 ай бұрын
54:22 i didnt know those panels had christmas tree mode
@tomcoward16
11 ай бұрын
it happens quite alot were people dont label things right. : / more than people think.
@flower3444
5 ай бұрын
Replace the not sounding 439D in the 1964 middle school
@that_one_sax5054
Жыл бұрын
You had to deal with Every Single Trouble plus a dead security system 💀
@jrepairman
11 ай бұрын
lol !!!! Been in the industry 35 years and this is the first time I heard of these. Good one !!! Do you happen to have any other good ones for other brands ?
@that_one_sax5054
11 ай бұрын
@@jrepairman mmmmm. Simplex isn't all that simple
@Bluscream
11 ай бұрын
Id suggest you get a bwc (body worh camera)
@maxboyer11
11 ай бұрын
1:01:48 I think that was the problem right there. Bad connection from install, causing intermittent issues. Incorrect labelling really messed with your troubleshooting
@maxboyer11
11 ай бұрын
I think the module itself is fine.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Connections were fine it's likely a intermittent short on the zone as it re-alarmed a couple weeks ago on a Sunday
@brianmohammed1790
11 ай бұрын
hey nick thats crazy that the fire alarms going off i know you cheak out the entire school for alarms going into truble
@hotsoup1001
11 ай бұрын
@1:30 You can take the boy out of middle school, but not the middle school out of the boy. 🤣
@Rileygee0224
11 ай бұрын
My 11th or 12th grade year. Our high school alarm system had a bug and for almost an hour ever 2 to 3 minutes after being turned off, the alarm would sound again so the entire system was shut down for the rest of the day.
@nics-systems-electric
11 ай бұрын
Then they would've had to have someone or multiple people on firewatch until system was back
@Rileygee0224
11 ай бұрын
@nics-systems-electric there was, but it took nearly a day to figure out the issue. Being a student, they didn't tell me/anyone anything, of course. just a glitch in the system, I guess.
@Casonplayz
Жыл бұрын
Crazy
@AirWasTaken
11 ай бұрын
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