A line manufactured down the center of the blanket would assist the firefighters in getting the blanket properly placed quicker, while keeping the firefighters at maximum distance from the flames. The blanket can be placed on either side of center to account for wind. The firefighters would discuss strategy before deployment.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
This was one of the most beneficial things we learned from doing this demonstration. One of the fire fighters doing the training suggested it, and are working toward making that happen. They had a couple other really great suggestions that we are looking to implement as well. Thanks for your feedback! We what to do whatever we can to make it easiest on those having to deploy the blankets!!!
@marwerno
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSA Integrate water hoses into the blanket (all around the sides), which you can fill with water for weight. Keeping sure it will not been blown away and make it more airtight.
@ThatGrizzlyGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@marwernowhy not just carry a few weights with it or a a hose you can fill off the truck and be reusable. Much cheaper than to manufacture in it.
@camus83489
Жыл бұрын
yeah and having the edges weighted would be even more amazing. perhaps a hook up for the hose too?
@camus83489
Жыл бұрын
that would be amazing - like have the edges be able to be filled with water@@marwerno
@johnrickard8512
Жыл бұрын
A+ for new firefighting technology that we desperately needed
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@williamsmit619
Жыл бұрын
why is it desperately needed ?
@johnrickard8512
Жыл бұрын
@@williamsmit619 because in case you weren't aware Lithium batteries burn like hellfire when ignited.
@pan6593
Жыл бұрын
@@williamsmit619research thermal runaway
@NithinJune
10 ай бұрын
@@williamsmit619electric vehicles are the future which means electric vehicle fires are too
@joetripp123
Жыл бұрын
Love the product and I feel all fire departments should have one. 0:20 the Tesla Model 3 wasn't released till 2017 so that's a Tesla Model S. The S's have older 18650 batteries that can thermal runaway quite easily. Later Teslas have 2170 cells - they can also burn but have fire suppression measures built into the pack to prevent (or greatly reduce) thermal runaway events.
@jackylsmith8138
Жыл бұрын
They still burn up. One just did.
@jhvorlicky
Жыл бұрын
"fire suppression methods" What nonsense. More lies from Elon.
@joetripp123
Жыл бұрын
@@jhvorlicky yes, the glue between the cells is a fire suppression. There is also measures between the modules to prevent heat from spreading. Panasonic built those batteries. Feel free to look it up. This didn’t come from Elon, it’s public available data from Tesla.
@johnd9357
Жыл бұрын
Literally any lithium battery can have thermal runaway. It’s just in the nature of the design.
@licencetoswill
Жыл бұрын
@@johnd9357 no, only lithium ion ones have the potential for thermal runaway, new LiFePO4 batteries are less prone to this issue due to their stable chemical structure. They are also incombustible, able to withstand harsh conditions, and less likely to release flammable gases or catch fire in the event of a hazardous event.
@boborambow
Ай бұрын
What an incredible solution! This video was fascinating. This should be standard in all fire fighting equipment.
@sking3646
Жыл бұрын
Suggestion: If getting the Blanket to lay on center of the car is critical, then how about marking the center of the Blanket with a Visible Red Line to help the Firefighters 🚒
@ericmarcelo8976
Жыл бұрын
It probably makes sense to approach the fire from upwind so that the smoke won't affect the vision and breathing of the persons deploying the blanket. Keeping the blanket between you and the fire will also block the heat. Not everyone who will deploy these things will be firemen.
@Mrbobinge
Жыл бұрын
Thinking ahead, might they become EV mandatory like seat belts and other stuff. Helmets and respirators anybody?
@williamsmit619
Жыл бұрын
good theory but impractical...should and "when" these fires occur the biggest problem is going to be toxic smoke inhalation, even those fire fighters with the hazmat suits are at risk , and most won't be covered up as they were for his "demo" , the blanket demo just show how dumb and dangerous and EVs' are, I wouldn't want to be on a road or near an EV fire, it is more lethal and quicker acting than radiation from nuclear fall out..
@dghtr79_36
Жыл бұрын
@@Mrbobinge there are people that have a drivers license but can't put the spare wheel on, and you expect them to act rationally, get the blanket out of the boot (most likely storage location), put it on while the thing smoking and maybe even have visible flames coming off of it? it just ain't going to happen, sadly
@Mrbobinge
Жыл бұрын
@@dghtr79_36 Following similar logic it means that no one ever carried a spare wheel 'cos some, couldn't be expected to act rationally. But if the city Mayor makes fire blankets mandatory.....?
@dghtr79_36
Жыл бұрын
@@Mrbobinge faulty logic, that driver may stop some other person on the road and ask for assistance with the wheel, but lets be realistic, noone, who will stop to assist a burning vehicle, will dig into the burning vehicles boot for the blanket, and at least for foreseeable future, electrics will remain a minority, so for this to work everyone will have to carry a blanket like that, and I'll guess they aren't exactly 0.99$ a piece so - fix the original problem - the battery, don't invent expensive bandaids there is another issue with these blankets - breathing in smoke, firefighters here used full face masks for a reason, because the smoke is trapped below the blanket, and as you're pulling it over, you're directly in the line of escaping smoke - I personally wouldn't even attempt this without full mask and bottle, and you expect drivers or passengers to do that, might be an option if it just lightly smoking, then you might have time to put it on, and it would be one man effort most of the time so, IMHO, not a good idea to make everyone carry these
@adammundell8253
Жыл бұрын
I would imagine you can use this blanket to help protect exposures from standard structure fires too.
@rochester3
Жыл бұрын
if they hand this blanket to cover your house
@tinfoilmoose
Жыл бұрын
so put a HUGE red X across the cloth to mark the center at all times for the user. drag straps off both ends at corners and middle. cinch cable around the circumference to pull it tight around the base so you dont come close to tuck it in. cable runs down to the corner straps with releases so once pulled into place it can be immediately tightened from a safe working distance. you’re welcome - opensource R&D
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! All great points and we have passed them to our team. We are working on a center reflective stripe to go down the middle of the blanket to make centering easy even at night. Appreciate your suggestions!!!
@equarg
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSAgood to see you are looking into recommendations!
@bermudaguy5003
Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing brilliant product that is a Blessing to many! Thank you to all of you involved! 👍 👍
@tims8603
Жыл бұрын
This is great! It keeps the fire away from other cars, people or structures that may get damaged. It also makes it easier for the responders to dowse it with water and uses less water. I would suggest having 3 or 4 firefighters to get the blanket on, one on each corner.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!!!
@jamesdeclan7538
Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind EV fires take over 40,000 gallons to extinguish, and can reignite multiple times and sometimes have to be submerged for days until they are safe. A normal car fire may only take 1000 gallons. (NFPA)
@LionheartLivin
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for working on and creating this tech!!!;)
@chris-adams-tas
Жыл бұрын
Bravo Fire Cloak. Thanks for the demonstration. Kudos to Ginger for providing worthy insight into the process and the product.
@richyzig
Жыл бұрын
The battery on this Model S (!) didn't seem to have caught fire. Little jet-like explosions are typical of battery pack fires. There was nothing like that here and most of the fire was on top.
@jamesbell8861
Жыл бұрын
It's great that this will work on all cars. L-ion fires are particularly vexing but I think this a great innovation.
@dbendele
Жыл бұрын
Is it dangerous to approach a gas car like that? Aren’t they prone to explode?
@astropioneer3296
Жыл бұрын
For real.
@jamesbell8861
Жыл бұрын
@@dbendele ... I would think it is dangerous either way. But I would also say that it is even more important to starve the fire of Oxygen ??? The ABC fire extinguishers do the same thing by displacing Oxygen ... i would think a proper fire blanket would KEEP the OXYGEN from getting back and reigniting the wreck. I would think there would be a way to get the blanket over and dowsing the the wreck with Dry Ice or Nitrogen ???
@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry
Жыл бұрын
That blanket should have a water fill channel around the edges to weigh it down.
@d0ugparker
Жыл бұрын
Spray paint a small dot or a small "X" at its center to help the firefighters know how to move to adjust its position in centering it as they're pulling it over the vehicle. DP Henderson, NV
@shou635
Жыл бұрын
These should be standard issue for all vehicle fires.
@jgrenwod
Жыл бұрын
Are these available as storage covers for lawn equipment like the big battery mowers. You could team up with DEWALT, put their colors and logo on the cover. Great garage storage safety device for when the mower cooks off. Also could be a great car cover for people who have to park their cars in their garage.
@Fabulousprofound168
Жыл бұрын
We had a Tesla in my area that had a battery fire after a major collision. It was like a horizontal flamethrower coming out on all sides from under the car and was nothing like this. No one could get near it and they had to let it burn. Would this blanket have worked?
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is what it was designed for...to contain Thermal Runaway and then cool down the vehicle.
@offgridliving4128
Жыл бұрын
R/C industry has has a similar product for years. But they have a bag that you store and place the batteries in during charge and discharge cycles.
@shrimpinpat
Жыл бұрын
sent to my uncle who is assistant chief and my brothers buddy who is a fire chief.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
@shrimpinpat Thank you! We really appreciate you sharing the video!!! 😊
@HongyaMa
Жыл бұрын
Great tool ! Other means are not up to the task - Bravo! Especially in under ground garages!
@macbuff81
Жыл бұрын
Great idea. Simple, but yet very effective
@KoRntech
Жыл бұрын
Couple critiques on the presentation. A clock in the corner would be helpful to establish time from ignition, time when the runaway began, time from blanket application and a side by side of the thermal with temperature readings pointing out the temperature peak and a line graph showing the change from application of the blanket to what it is when they remove it to finish the job. Please dial the volume down a few on the dramatic music it seems to be competing with your audio. Other than that a good demonstration when this will occur with EVs, now what about a semi a diesel semi hauling multiple Teslas and one goes?
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! All great comments!!! Love the clock especially. We originally planned to do this live so that it would be in real-time, but we had issues with the heat that day and some of the equipment failed. Definitely ideas we will use in the future!!!
@whosonfirst1309
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant product. Love the suggestion of the line down the middle, but still a brilliant product.
@Michael-1337
4 ай бұрын
There are multiple videos of fire blankets causing an explosion as gasses build up underneath them. There is also worries that wrapping an extinguished electric car in one of these and later on another one of its battery packs begins to leak causing an explosion because of the gas build up.
@classicalextremism
Жыл бұрын
So... now we are just straight sweeping the EV car fire problem under the rug...
@rathesungod
Жыл бұрын
Literally
@yatox8
Жыл бұрын
Until manufactures find a way to make them safer, what else can we do? shits are lighting up every day, this seems like a solid idea for now.
@EvanCalder
Жыл бұрын
Gas cars catch fire too. I don't think it's reasonable to dismiss EVs cause they can catch fire. It's only interesting if they catch fire more often than gas cars, which so far it doesn't look like they do.
@classicalextremism
Жыл бұрын
@@EvanCalder Interesting that the only measure you acknowledge or use in your evaluation is the frequency. Not the intensity, the severity, the duration, the toxins, nor the ability to extinguish.
@Dupont550
Жыл бұрын
More gas car fires than EV fires. More water used in total on all the gas car fires, when compared to EV fires. (In 100 000 combustion engine cars there are more fires than in 100 000 EV). Also, they said it can be used on gas car fires too. So you can hide that under that blanket too.
@Mrbobinge
Жыл бұрын
Think shop-assistants. They wrap the goods and tuck the ends. Fire blanket edge drag-tucked round under wheels, on the wind side, would help stabilise it. Excess blanket on lee side could be manipulated to form pockets of heavy drench water.
@joeystellmacher8041
Жыл бұрын
After the fire blanket, just cover it all up with a dump truck full of dirt, take no chances!
@Redbaron_sites
Жыл бұрын
I see good potential here in that it is greatly reducing the pollutants being emitted ❤.
@greggreg2263
Жыл бұрын
These should be standard equipment in all vehicles, and they should be a little bigger❤
@boostedmaniac
Жыл бұрын
Yeah 30 days after you put it out it starts up again. Scary stuff.
@Tagraff
Жыл бұрын
May need a clip-on weight for four corner (or six to include sides) -- in case if it's windy or annoyance to keep the blanket in place.
@ZepG
Жыл бұрын
The day that I would ever consider buying a Li battery car won't ever happen. Solid state batteries might sway my decision!
@davidcarroll8735
Жыл бұрын
Good luck! I hope it proves to be a great tool in the field.
@bgd73
Жыл бұрын
cool to see. I had wondered of fire blankets ..real fire proof, for welding on automobiles/trucks. I finally found one, and thought of electric vehicle fires. The tech does exist. This is the first I have seen it to fitght a fire... I only have one to prevent them.
@Top12Boardsport
Жыл бұрын
Great product
@thismanhasnoname3843
Жыл бұрын
Needs to be wider. Those guys almost fudged up when they placed it
@3dFirefly
Жыл бұрын
Lithium battery fire is self fueled and does not need oxygen to burn, I don't think covering with a fire blanket will put it out or control it. R/C hobbyist uses fire boxes/pouches to help contain the fire from spreading, but it does not prevent or slow it down.
@theseventhgeneration6910
Жыл бұрын
Needs a big orange line down the middle so that they can see where the center is located. Get to work. 😉 Government subsidiaries would be a quick way to boost your growth. This is a winner, through and through.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! We are working on adjusting that with a reflective strip right down the center! We are also planning to work with fire departments to have grants written in order to get them the funding they need for EV fire suppression :)
@ronreyes9910
Жыл бұрын
In the Navy when a plane catches fire they just shove it over the side because you can't put out a burning alkaloid metal as it self oxidizes. They use alkaloid metal for underwater welding if that tells you anything. The lithium iron batteries are better but they still burn. Another fun task for the firemen is that if it's on an asphalt road the tar in the asphalt lights off.
@lostinwi
Жыл бұрын
Very cool product anything to help the departments
@The.Phobicist
Жыл бұрын
They need to use the blanket, to smother the flames, and then use liquid nitrogen to super cool the batteries to end the threat, that tech is still being refined atm.
@0ooTheMAXXoo0
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the battery fire does not need oxygen. It needs to be cooled down to stop.
@deadfoxxy
Жыл бұрын
Cryotanks must vent and it would need to be replaced weekly at high cost.
@rslaughterbeck
Жыл бұрын
Great product. These should be required at all DC Fast Charging stations. The federal NEVI plan requires a minimum of four ports per site. The only thing worse then 1 EV on fire is 4(and possible the battery bank, if one is used at the charging site).
@TheGreenGrower618
Жыл бұрын
@@erty7012and gasoline powered ones aren't?
@trevinom69
Жыл бұрын
most manufacturers are going to a different chemistry from lithium ion, like LiFePO4, Sodium or solid state whose burning characteristics are negligible.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
True! But with millions of EVs and hybrids on the road, the need will be there for some time. Additionally these can be used on ICE fires to make the process quicker and provide a containment option for places like parking garages, road tunnels, ferries, etc.
@trevinom69
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSA sorry, didn't mean to imply that we don't need these blankets, they are a great idea. It just sounded like EV's seemed to be taking a center stage in your video. I agree with you that going forward, they can be leveraged for many types of fires.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
No worries and thanks for clarifying :) We aren't anti-ev at Fire Cloak USA. We are team fire department and first responders and are hoping to help make a difference in the way that they fight these EV fires. Thanks again for your thoughts and feedback!!! @@trevinom69
@jhvorlicky
Жыл бұрын
Solid state batteries... haha, keep dreaming!
@twiz148
Жыл бұрын
Google is paying attention...so much so its scary. I bought a fire blanket on Amazon yesterday...today this was at my top of KZitem suggestion list....yeesh...
@RakibHossain-pt6cm
11 ай бұрын
Nice !
@kenfischerjr5219
Жыл бұрын
Drawstrings around the perimeter of the cloth would better secure it.
@retiredk9copper726
Жыл бұрын
Looks like it does a great job. I might have missed it but can the cover be used more than once? Either way if only once still better than using 4 tankers and an engine to almost put it out
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! We suggest a single use due to the toxins covering the blanket. After use, send it with the towing company to wrap during transport, and then to the salvage yard to keep it covered for 30 days.
@5150miky
Жыл бұрын
Center should be mark
@hottractor1999
Жыл бұрын
I thought you said it made it's own oxygen, so putting a blanket on it wouldn't help, but it does, so to me that means it's not making oxygen and the blanket is depriving it of oxygen. Which reduces the burn and temperature.
@connomar55
Жыл бұрын
Might have saved a car carrier had all the EV's on board been covered with these as a matter of policy.
@OhSoddit
Жыл бұрын
Then some softcock would whinge about their windscreen or paintwork getting a "scratch". Best answer is BAN EV's from ferries.
@glendavis3183
Жыл бұрын
This seems like a great idea!
@youmakeitreal
Жыл бұрын
A drawstring at the perimeter to keep it in place? Great to see this innovation
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! That is a good idea. We will pass it along to the team!!!
@starburst23
Жыл бұрын
The worst part of burning out on a roadway is the replacement of the road. The whole section of asphalt or concrete usually needs to be replaced. This can save tens of thousands for DOTs if those breakdown trucks carry them also.
@benparker5512
Жыл бұрын
You should put a line down the middle so It's easier to center.
@danltiger
Жыл бұрын
Very cool demo. I'm interested to see how this technique develops.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Jo3W3st
Жыл бұрын
Omg I'm a boomer and this production is horrible! It's worse than a late night infomercial
@Dash323MJ
Жыл бұрын
"It's imperative that you get these blankets centered." OR, hear me out, make a SLIGHTLY bigger blanket. LOL😂
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Haha! We actually have some bigger blankets for trucks. The bigger we make them, the more they weigh though. We are working on a solution to make the centering easier from the start though.
@corycramer3695
Жыл бұрын
How about putting a center line down the middle of the blanket so each of the fire fighter's can see from their angle without having to say I don't have enough on my side.
@beabetteryou2022
Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@mbrown1519
Жыл бұрын
What I see to improve this is put a line for the center of the blanket in both directions like a big x then you're not guessing at where the center of the blanket is
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! We are working on adding a reflective center stripe to make it much easier to locate the center! Appreciate your feedback!!!
@AsonoftheLion
Жыл бұрын
just needs tubes in the blanket that can be filled with water from the hoses to keep the blanket down
@natebean151
Жыл бұрын
Should be making battery casing out that blanket
@123456wasp
Жыл бұрын
Great idea! 😎👍
@HikaruKatayamma
Жыл бұрын
The problem with dumping water on Lithium batteries is that Lithium reacts exothermally (burns) when combined with water. Just dumping water on a Li fire is bad.
@licencetoswill
Жыл бұрын
water is the preferred treatment for li-po / li-ion fires, not to extinguish but to manage the heat.
@waynerussell6401
Жыл бұрын
“The lithium-ion batteries currently used in EVs are not based on lithium metal - they are designed so that the lithium stays as oxidised Li+ ions.” Lithium metal is not very reactive. It does react with water to form lithium hydroxide and hydrogen. The reaction is “gently fizzing” and isn’t violent. The organic electrolyte is flammable, which will be eliminated with solid state batteries. Most car standard EV batteries use LiFePo4 chemistry which is a lot less reactive, but lower performance.
@ckwong1013
Жыл бұрын
Why is this not used to wrap the battery during battery production? If this is part of the car from the start it may help increase occupant safety
@trevinom69
Жыл бұрын
So, you could technically get burned if you are in a hurry/are not wearing protective equipment. Why not employ some kind of extension/stick gizmo that can grab the blanket from a distance to help put it over the vehicle and help with pushing it under the car rather than your arms and legs. You could put magnets on the ends and make it a metal stick or something. Just an idea.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Good suggestion! Actually one of the fireman mentioned adding some places where they could use their tools and hook the blanket and pull it back rather than using their hands. We are looking into adding these additional features. The magnetic idea is good too. That is something we haven't heard before. We can definitely look into it. The biggest thing to make sure of is that we don't add things to the blanket that will cause it be much heavier. Thanks again or your comments and sharing your ideas!
@bradpirochta9293
Жыл бұрын
Some weights sewn around the perimeter of the blanket would work wonders.
@shandusa
Жыл бұрын
The blanket is made of fiberglass that is of course not going to burn because glass doesn’t ignite. For home use just buy a large piece of fiberglass cloth.
@2078smith
Жыл бұрын
This can work on multiple things. This would be faster, then trying to hook up a fire hose.
@BarthiArgento
Жыл бұрын
What a nice idea! Greets from Germany
@vincentsmith9562
7 ай бұрын
Great stuff but I guarantee that within a year this blanket will be improved even more. Thank goodness for science am sure scientists are working on an even better material.
@joshausterlitz3798
Жыл бұрын
Guess when i have to buy an EV, i just need to get one of these and wrap it up every night. Boy the future looks bright, well when it catches on fire that is.
@ItsBinhRepaired
Жыл бұрын
Do you wrap all your electronics? Don't be dumb... lol more iphones have burst into flames than EVs.
@0ooTheMAXXoo0
Жыл бұрын
EVs are 6x less likely to catch fire than a regular car, 10x less likely to catch fire than a hybrid. So far, only some LG batteries in Chevy Bolts have had multiple problems. The news attacks EVs as much as they can. They report on a fire and then never follow up after the investigation shows the actual cause. For Tesla, all fires have had good causes where a combustion vehicle would have been more likely to burn... That ship fire? all the EVs were fine. Other cars, other stuff burned on that ship but all the EVs were fine... Literally will be sold... Propaganda against EVs for many years and pushed by social media companies as well...
@jhvorlicky
Жыл бұрын
Those statistics just use absolute numbers of fires: they fail to take into account that far fewer cars are electric. When you count for that, BEVs (and particularly Teslas) randomly catch fire much much more. The stats you parrot so unthinkingly also do not take into account the age of the vehicles
@joshausterlitz3798
Жыл бұрын
@@jhvorlicky I know i'm no expert by any means, but even if it's true, if they only have 8% market share (as of 2022), 6x still don't even come close to making since. I know my moms friend had a Kia EV that caught fire last year and a friend of a friends 2020 Tesla that was gonna cost 16K to fix (not sure what the issue was) so they traded back for a normal car. Just the intensity of the heat alone, IDK, just doesn't add up over all, imma stick with my 89 accord, best first car ever, and like you said *account for older cars* that even makes it more out of place. I know some day they will take over, but i'll wait till they get all the kinks out first, no way i'd ever buy this stuff now or anytime soon. Charge time, infrastructure, cost of maintenance, firs risk, from what i know in the real world to what they say on TV just isn't adding up right now. Just the hype to please the greenies, but the greenies don't care about you. When they get it figured all out, i'll take a look, till then my 89 330K honda will keep driving on. Wonder how many EVs will make it 330K like my car Hmmmmmmmmm.
@joshausterlitz3798
Жыл бұрын
@@jhvorlicky Also, in the past like 10 years, i don't know anyone's (friends, friends of friends, family) normal cars that has caught fire. I've seen a few semi's on the interstate on fire before, but no cars around the city i live in.
@terjeoseberg990
Жыл бұрын
Even though the batteries produce their own oxygen and fuel, the flame can still be extinguished if sufficiently cooled. Several hoses spewing massive amounts of water mist under the blanket could provide sufficient cooling to extinguish the flame. Once extinguished, do the batteries still emit toxic fumes?
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes this can easily deployed with other systems to cool even faster. The only thing with using water under the vehicle is that it exposes the ground and water supply to the toxic runoff, so we try to use as little water as possible. The batteries can reignite up to 30 days later, so it may be possible they would still have fumes, but we are not certain on that aspect.
@terjeoseberg990
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSA, A whole bunch of atomized water mist is way better than a stream of water. A stream of water will go straight through the flame and hit the ground doing absolutely nothing to the fire, whereas a fine mist will mix with the air, evaporate, and cool the flame. Fire requires fuel, oxygen, and heat. Removing one of the three will extinguish the flame, so I’m suggesting removing the heat. When I was a kid, the neighbors yard was full of bamboo, and it caught fire while I was home, so I grabbed my hose and tried to spray it on the fire. The water went right through the flame, hit the ground, and did absolutely nothing to extinguish the flame. So I changed my strategy to hosing off everything that was flammable in my yard instead. When the fire department showed up, their hose, instead of spraying a stream of water, it sprayed a wall of mist. The mist entered the burning bamboo and extinguished the fire in about 2 or 3 seconds. If you’re able to properly atomize the water, and apply the proper quantity, then there can be no runoff at all.
@andyrbush
Жыл бұрын
Impressive
@Barskor1
Жыл бұрын
Good news lithium Iron Phosphate batteries don't burn and 80% of the market is shifting to that chemistry or similar ones.
@danielstapler4315
Жыл бұрын
NMC and NCA ignite at 180C LFP ignites at 270C and when LFP burns releases one third less energy than NMC or NCA.
@0ooTheMAXXoo0
Жыл бұрын
@@danielstapler4315 Good details, here are some more: Even NMC batteries are built to prevent thermal runaway, and with a good battery it will only happen if there is a serious reason. So, with LFP, thermal runaway should almost never happen due to the higher temps needed.
@itry2brational
Жыл бұрын
Its a huge welding blanket.
@hateca1
Жыл бұрын
Doesn't always work. Run away EV battery fires don't need O2 to burn. They need to be cooled down or burn themselves out. There was just a semi truck fire in CA I think, they had to close down a road to let it burn itself out over a three day period. Have a buddy that runs a tow and impound yard and they had to dig a large hole, line it with cement, and fill it with water. When they get a EV in that has had a fire the put the entire car in the water to keep it from reigniting. Most of the time the firetruck follows the tow truck to the yard just in case the fire starts again.
@brendandor
Жыл бұрын
If you watch the video they explain that, its used to cool it down and manage the flame until the massive quantity of water can be brought in.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
As Brendan mentioned below, this is explained by Fire Chief of training Joe Elam. He has spent hours of time training and studying the best methods for extinguishing these EV fires and was kind enough to share his knowledge with us. The main purpose of the Fire Cloak USA is to contain and cool. To add additional reference, he tells what the temps are during the process. The vehicle was over 1200 degrees when the blanket was deployed. Within minutes it was down to less than 500 degrees. Another minute went by and we were down to 150 degrees. At that time the temperature stayed steady. The fire department then used some water to cool the vehicle down to below 100 degrees. At that point it is safe to remove the blanket and then finishing spraying the vehicle down with water again. If you're interested, Chief Joe also discusses why they shouldn't just let them burn. Funny you mentioned the tow yard, Fire Cloak USA is owned by Stephens Truck Center in Owasso Oklahoma. One of the reasons they started offering this product was for the safety of towers and first responders. We've seen several Tow Trucks catch on fire when an EV reignites on the bed. We've also seen where towing companies lose a fleet of trucks because an EV catches fire at their location. These are often after the initial fire. For this reason we actually suggest and discuss in the video that once the car is towed, it is wrapped in the blanket on the tow truck (we've got a video showing how to do this). Once it goes to the salvage or tow yard, they can actually just leave the blanket on it. Hopefully that clears up any confusion. Please feel free to listen to the video as Chief Joe goes over each of these things in a little more depth.
@v8snail
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSA If you want people to be able to hear the commentary, get rid of the stupid unnecessary music.
@marwerno
Жыл бұрын
That is a good idea. A electrical fire can really burn. We had only a forklift (Diesel) burn when somebody did some welding and forgot to disconnect the starter battery. Happened in underground parking too. EVERYTHING was covered in black sooth, Fire department could not even really put out a small lead acid battery very successful, now multiply this many times to get an idea for an EV.... makes one worried.
@v8snail
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSA Unless I missed it due to the loud background drumming, I didn't hear how much charge was in the battery which is proportional to the amount of energy it gives off, or where the temperature probe was located. If it wasn't in the battery pack itself, it is invalid data. Once a thermal runaway condition exists within the pack, which is not much above the boiling point of water, snuffing the oxygen is not going to help cool anything as it produces its own. If starving the oxygen is working in this case to cool everything, it is not the battery pack burning. Do you have that critial information to produce?
@utha2665
Жыл бұрын
Just a thought, why don't the shipping companies place one of these over every car on their ships? Great insurance for preventing multi car runaways. In fact every car should have one of these as part of the EV/Hybrid car sale. I don't know how much one of these cost, but imagine the saving if you can prevent thousands of cars going up along with a whole ship?
@w8stral
Жыл бұрын
THe blanket, is larger than the spare tire, if you bothered to listen,... assuming your car even has one of those.
@0ooTheMAXXoo0
Жыл бұрын
So far shipping has not been a problem. The initial news story was that all the EVs burned on that ship. Actual story, other stuff burned, all the EVs were fine and will be sold. The news really wants to stop or slow down EVs, always trying to find a negative slant on any news story.
@w8stral
Жыл бұрын
If it bleeds it leads; truth comes dead last. And no, many EV's did burn, just wasn't all EV's. Suggest you actually read some shit before commenting and embarassing yourself@@0ooTheMAXXoo0
@utha2665
Жыл бұрын
@@w8stral When did I mention anything about a spare tire? I just suggested it could be a good thing for a cargo ship to cover cars while in transit to prevent spreading of fire.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Actually the coast guard just had to place regulations on the shipment of EVs do to a shipment that caught fire a month ago that took several weeks to extinguish. We have several Ferry companies that have purchased our blankets as a safety feature to have on board near any EVs being shipped. @@0ooTheMAXXoo0
@mrlickie
Жыл бұрын
Nice electric vehicle body bag!
@patrickjensen6688
Жыл бұрын
Pole to Install seems like a water hook up while it's on the car would be better like a water bed nozzle
@98f5
Жыл бұрын
I love how theyre talking about how important it is to be centered yet the damn thing is as off center as possible
@truetech4158
Жыл бұрын
This is very helpful, and because fires never really produce afterlives.
@impuls60
Жыл бұрын
Should have a vent for co2 injection, it would displace oxygen even faster.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Good idea! We have partnered with a company called Fire Suppression Solutions that makes a tool called the FST. Once you pull the pins on the FST, you throw it in and it drops the temperature of a fire by 1000 degrees every 35 seconds. This could be thrown into the EV first, then the blanket would be deployed. It would drop the temperatures even quicker! You can check it out at: firesuppressionsolutions.com/about-fst/
@bryanguzman7162
Жыл бұрын
Thats cool and all but dont li-ion batteries have everything they need to keep burning inside the battery itself like Air, fuel, and the spark?
@jhvorlicky
Жыл бұрын
Yes. This blanket would do nothing to stop a battery fire.
@Relentless0neFPS
Жыл бұрын
Are the blankets expensive? I was thinking that a person could have one near their garage and deploy it. It could save their house or other property and lives.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
For the blanket and bag they are $1350. We have a weatherproof box that you can purchase that you can use to mount the blanket as well for an additional cost. We provide bulk pricing as well as grant writing assistance for fire departments. If you'd like to purchase, feel free to call 918-794-2300 or email: globalops@stephenstruck.com. Thanks for your interest!
@MikAnimal
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSAany chance you have smaller ones for my ebike 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@lachlanB323
Жыл бұрын
@@MikAnimal Do you have one for a motorbike? They're way more likely to catch fire.
@MikAnimal
Жыл бұрын
@@lachlanB323 I’m not the guy selling them. Also unless ur talking electric motorcycle then no e-bikes DEFINITELY need them far more.
@lachlanB323
Жыл бұрын
@@MikAnimal I am talking a combustion bike. One with an ICE engine also called internal COMBUSTION engine... come on... it is in the name dude! So petrol. Petrol cars are 10x more likely to catch fire then a electric car so I assume it is pretty similar for bikes. although it is probably harder to protect the battery. But it is also harder to burn yourself on a petrol bike.
@galdavonalgerri2101
Жыл бұрын
6:33 major problem occurs. Tape is cut (censored) and focus is switched to another camera. So, the whole "report" (advertising) is not useful.
@philipoakley5498
Жыл бұрын
Is there a time matched ICE fire for comparison? Surely there's plenty of those.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Usually they say ICE fires take less than 15 minutes and 500 gallons of water to extinguish. The blankets can be used on ICE fires, but they do not produce the same issues that EVs due so most fire departments just extinguish with water.
@philipoakley5498
Жыл бұрын
Its worth looking at the results from the Swedish Contingencies work kzitem.info/news/bejne/la6gqpijr2qmpaA which worked with just the on-board water. The LASHFire webinar is also insightful kzitem.info/news/bejne/2qBtnIeOhqSQoqA New technologies often need updated approaches. @@FireCloakUSA
@nottyash100
Жыл бұрын
I would never have an EV if he caught alight in my home garage it would most likely burn my house down.
@39FORTYWATER
9 ай бұрын
Center line for the blanket. It might not be seen. Reflective strip too. But will we have ev vehicles....🙄
@SimplyAwesomeness
Жыл бұрын
Links in the description would be much appreciated
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
You can visit www.fireblanketusa.com for more info and to get a quote or also buy individual blankets here: www.okwreckers.com/electric-vehicle/safety/batp/fireblanket
@SimplyAwesomeness
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSA thank you
@bikerchrisukk
Жыл бұрын
Great idea, but don't those batteries create they're own oxygen, so they'd keep burning even when starved of ambient oxygen?
@paparalph4
Жыл бұрын
Show me with just the full new battery pack from a EV car. As they said it creates it's own oxygen. How do they know when to pull the blanket? when smoke stops? Hours? if premature it just starts back up, back to step one. Nice that it keeps it from starting things next to it.
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
This was on a 2013 Tesla with the battery in tact. This was a training, so we wanted to wait and deploy the blanket when it reached thermal runaway. The temp was well above 1200 degrees and stayed there several minutes. For the training exercise, we waited and remove the blanket once it hit less than 100 degrees. You'll see the fire department run water over the blanket before removing. They did this at around 150 degrees. In a real life situation, the blanket is deployed upon arrival. The blanket can then be left on until it cools to 100 degrees which takes roughly 5 to 15 minutes. They can speed the cooling process even quicker by using a small amount of water while the blanket is still covering the car. This entire training took just 30 minutes from lighting the vehicle on fire, waiting for it to reach thermal runaway, and then removing the blanket. Each fire department would have the tools they need to test if the vehicle was cool enough to remove the blanket. You will typically see a small amount of flames which is normal. As you can see, we left the footage of the blanket being removed unedited so you can see how little water had to be used, and how much time it actually took. A couple other things Fire Chief Joe Elam mentioned as benefits is that 1. It only took a single department. Most EV fires take several departments 2. It took 30 minutes. Letting it burn takes hours and is awful for the environment 3. It saves thousands of gallons of water. If using water alone, it takes over 10,000 gallons typically to extinguish. 4. The fireman aren't breathing in the carcinogens coming off the vehicle by letting it burn 5. Our groundwater and air aren't polluted with the toxins 6. Yes, as you mentioned, it protects the surround areas and contains the fire We'd be happy to answer any other questions. Feel free to reach out anytime at www.firecloakusa.com
@pingvingaming
Жыл бұрын
@@FireCloakUSA i assume you guys used Freedom unites right
@w8stral
Жыл бұрын
Useless test as the BATTERY was not on fire. Just a normal car fire. @@FireCloakUSA
@jacobheinz8236
Жыл бұрын
@@w8stralwatch again but this time try harder to listen to what the Fire Chief said “ it started popping “ “white smokes indicating battery fires” etc.
@jhvorlicky
Жыл бұрын
So ... the batteries were not burning... if they had been, this blanket would have achieved sweet F A.
@Dupont550
Жыл бұрын
Awesome idea, what is ballpark price for one?
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
For the blanket and bag they are $1350. We have a weatherproof box that you can purchase that you can use to mount the blanket as well for an additional cost. We provide bulk pricing as well as grant writing assistance for fire departments. If you'd like to purchase, feel free to call 918-794-2300 or email: globalops@stephenstruck.com. Thanks for your interest!
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
We've had several people asking for pricing for a single blanket. If you are interested in purchasing just one blanket, you can got to Stephens Truck Center (Fire Cloak USAs parent company) at www.okwreckers.com/electric-vehicle/safety/batp/fireblanket
@stevehopkins2657
Жыл бұрын
Please make these in several sizes! It would be great to have them for ebikes and in my case, a small one for my electric unicycle. This would provide huge peace of mind! I would order one immediately. Also, where can I invest? 😊
@toma5153
Жыл бұрын
I think having one of these available on an airliner, but in a smaller pouch form, for runaways on laptops, phones, etc. would be a good idea. Naturally would need the FAA involved.
@fenceman53
Жыл бұрын
Wow they didn’t get the blanket centered. How bout a center line printed on blanket?
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
We are actually working on that. The plan will be to have a reflective line that is the centering point for future blankets.
@rvanbeau2009
Жыл бұрын
Would be great if I could buy a car cover with this functionality that I could put on in my ev in the driveway when the car isnt in use to prevent it catching my house on fire if the ev ignights.
@ExploringCabinsandMines
Жыл бұрын
I need Gingers number to discuss our future.
@King-Arthur-The-First
Жыл бұрын
This is a great idea and the improvements suggested in these comments could provide major improvements. Bold centreline. Weighted edges Built in hose attachments. Do think this great product could be marketed as ANY car fire suppressor instead?
@FireCloakUSA
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes we are working on several of these changes right now. Yes, We do market it toward ICE, EV, and Hybrid vehicles. Most fire departments can put ICE fires out in minutes with less than 500 gallons of water. The EV and Hybrids are challenging using on average 10,000 gallons of water, multiple departments, and hours of time. Because of this our trainings and videos do focus on EVs and Hybrids, but yes they can definitely be used on any vehicle fire! Thanks again for your comments!!
@theovaissie2480
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't the blanket supposed to be large enough in order to cover every iches and more for the fire to suck all the air and kill itself in few seconds?
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