A CSB safety video depicting events leading to the August 28, 2008, catastrophic explosion and fire at the Bayer CropScience facility in Institute, WV, that fatally injured two workers.
With plant managers like this, it would be redundant for terrorists to make their own chemical weapons.
@howlingwolven
5 жыл бұрын
Google "Bhopal" and watch the Seconds from Disaster documentary on it.
@zackschilling4376
5 жыл бұрын
Only way that this kind of stuff stops is when they start prosecuting CEOs, the Board, ect. It needs to be not worth it monetarily to operate unsafely. Think what would happen to Joe Blow if he had a fire in his backyard with a tank of MICs next to it. Corporations want to be people? Then, when they mess up they get arrested like the rest of us. If a company cant operate safely, then they need to learn to business.
@ocoolwow
3 жыл бұрын
@@zackschilling4376 Too idealistic, lobbying/money means lower regulation and companies will do whatever to minimize actual expenses.
@zackschilling4376
3 жыл бұрын
@@ocoolwow Well, theres always the Guillotine...
@ocoolwow
3 жыл бұрын
@@zackschilling4376 violence eh? I wouldn't stop it.
@amostake
5 жыл бұрын
First, if you are a security guard or anything of the sort, and you are working at a plant that is on fire, and a management tells you not to release information when emergency crews show up..... Listen to me... all of you... you tell those police and fire people absolutely everything. No job is worth waking up the next morning knowing people might of died because you kept your mouth shut. Second, every single manager involved in that, should be in prison. Forget about that company, you find the man who gave that order... and toss his butt in prison for life.
@KestrelOwens
5 жыл бұрын
banality of evil
@dsandoval9396
5 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what happened to that manager as of now but after years of fuckups I've witnessed I think I can spell out to you what happened... ...Even *_IF_* charges were brought up against him all he does is "step down" from his position and pay some fines that amount to pocket change after he receives his severance package. I hope he did end up behind bars but I'm pretty sure my version is going to be pretty close to the reality.
@Cedrik_BOI
5 жыл бұрын
Thats when people are stupid as *F*CK*
@Elite7555
5 жыл бұрын
How is management even going to find out who released information? And even if they do and fire you: just sue them for compensation. First they endanger you and then they threaten you? That is not how things work. Especially not in Germany!
@Halberdin
5 жыл бұрын
The problem here is to give the authorities complete and reliable information. A security guard can probably only tell what is obvious, like a fire, but not what is burning in what amounts, plus further hazards, plus what kind of injury treatment may be needed in case of a release of toxic substances. Whatever the people in charge say or do, legal repercussions can be huge, and public opinion can tilt at random.
@jakebrodskype
10 жыл бұрын
The executives of Bayer Crop Science should thank their lucky stars that they're still walking free. If there were any justice in this world, they'd all be doing hard time in prison for endangering the public safety, withholding critical information from first responders, and for manslaughter.
@Coastie1548
8 жыл бұрын
I agree! If it were me prosecuting I would have made sure they did hard time.😬
@flaplaya
8 жыл бұрын
Kinda like the 10,000 people that destroyed the global economy on purpose?.. Lives are at stake here.
@ichaukan
7 жыл бұрын
Always remember "freedom" and "money" are the same thing when it comes to corporate bigwigs.
@yakacm
6 жыл бұрын
Obviously I wouldn't wish a poison gas leak on anyone, but there would have been a certain poetic justice if it had happened, as Union Carbide and US company had killed thousands in India in 1984 from a release of this same gas. So a German company doing the same in the US would have had a certain irony. And yes I'm guessing the US authorities would have made Bayer pay, unlike what happened in Bhopal were Union Carbide got off scot free. Funnily enough the Bhopal disaster was the reason why the CSB was set up in the first place.
@operationscomputer1478
6 жыл бұрын
"contrary to established written procedure OPERATORS used a password to bypass the system interlocks. Blame the executives for what an operator did.
@teacher555555
4 жыл бұрын
it was and is highly illegal for anyone to withhold any information that they know of about an emergency situation because it not only puts the public in danger but puts the people who are responding to that emergency in more danger because of things like this.
@ryansshane
3 жыл бұрын
welcome to america, if it’s illegal for you, it’s legal for corporations
@ichaukan
7 жыл бұрын
"There's an emergency at the plant. We won't tell you any more because $$$."
@Satchmoeddie
5 жыл бұрын
There is no reason to store MIC. You can easily make the stuff as you need it. To not cooperate with the fire department? That is easy. SHUT THEIR ASSES DOWN! Turn off their electricity, shut off their water, turn off the gas, and shoot anyone who tries to get near the place. Then raise their property taxes by a million percent.
@saltrocklamp199
4 жыл бұрын
Seth B "noooo you can't just shut down these American job creator heroes!" Just remember this whenever your snake politicians are trying to buy your vote with idpol/racism, 2a, and religion. They are the same sociopaths who support and keep these organizations in business.
@Bankable2790
3 жыл бұрын
Salt Rock Lamp you’re an idiot
@HobbyOrganist
3 жыл бұрын
@@Satchmoeddie If I was in charge there as mayor or something, I'd arrange for OSHA and the EPA to conduct WEEKLY random inspections and write up EVERY single violation there is, if a gum wrapper on the floor is a violation- Bayer gets a FINE no matter what. I'd become a real sore thorn in their side like no other!
@airplanemaniacgaming7877
3 жыл бұрын
@@HobbyOrganist best kind of petty vengeance.
@trespire
10 жыл бұрын
Was anyone in Bayer management held accountable for refusing to provide information during the emergency ? or are Bayer beyond the reach of the Law ? Excellent video from USCSB,
@jfbeam
6 жыл бұрын
Big corporations can by their way out of almost anything. And the feds and local government are just as unlikely to do anything meaningful as it will cost them a huge tax base. Logically, they should be fined to the tune of billions, and their operating permits permanently rescinded.
@ElTurbinado
6 жыл бұрын
I don’t think any execs were charged but Bayer had settled a deal to contribute to a wastewater treatment project and/or purchase additional emergency vehicles and pump trucks for local fire departments. It’s only a $3-4 million settlement. Also I’m oversimplifying. It’s all recent (2017 and ongoing) developments actually, google it. Dow owns the plant now.
@ElTurbinado
6 жыл бұрын
They also got about $1.1 mil in fines and $500k in process improvement costs. Which is pretty much pennies.
@doggonemess1
5 жыл бұрын
We should hire Miller from the expanse to investigate. He knows what to do when you find the guy in charge.
@Elite7555
5 жыл бұрын
Apart from that: Don't they need a licence to store those chemicals? If so: Shouldn't the authorities have acces to that?
@petero.7487
5 жыл бұрын
The capacity of that MIC tank was about 63.9% that of the tank that blew open at Bhopal: That killed 8000 within a week or two and almost 20,000 over the years following
@FlameDarkfire
4 жыл бұрын
Peter O. And I don’t think Bhopal’s MIC tank was completely emptied.
@eaglescout1984
2 ай бұрын
The only upside is that West Virginia isn't as densely populated. So, even though the death count would have been staggering, it wouldn't have been anywhere close to 20,000. (Bhopal district current density: 2210/sq-mi vs Charleston metro density: 167/sq-mile)
@jessicayin2632
Ай бұрын
@@eaglescout1984 while true, I feel this is hardly reassuring for anyone in West Virginia...
@kevinbyrne4538
5 жыл бұрын
They circumvented safety controls to start the reactor before the computer monitoring system was ready and while the toxic gas detectors weren't functioning. Result? An explosion that killed 2 workers and that could have duplicated the 1984 Bhopal industrial catastrophe. Very thoughtful of management not to inform anyone of the chemicals that were present on the site.
@THR33STEP
5 жыл бұрын
How can a company get away with not telling first responders critical information??? I pray those eight individuals exposed to toxic chemicals are ok!!
@danielebrparish4271
Жыл бұрын
Probably because the public relations officer was the contact person for the company and the managers who knew what happened didn't want their bosses to know what they did. The military does this a lot. The lowest ranking member with the least power gets the blame so the higher ups can keep their jobs. Therefore the operators didn't tell the public relations person what they didn't do that caused the explosion. From the outside it looked like the company was withholding information but actually those who were responsible weren't talking and no one knew who they were.
@arbitterm
6 жыл бұрын
Can't tell anyone what's happening before you get your lies and scapegoats in order.
@brussell639
3 жыл бұрын
It's hard to imagine a security guard telling the cops/firemen "we'll tell you something if we think you need to know," and the cops/firemen just saying, "well ok."
@deezelfairy
8 жыл бұрын
As most these accidents appear, once again putting profit and 'company reputation' before safety both on and off site. Managers should have served time for withholding information of this unfolding situation - the police should be able to arrest them there and then, it's disgusting!
@sleepyburr
5 жыл бұрын
deezelfairy That line of reasoning doesn’t even make any sense if you think about it. Between telling emergency personnel what’s going down and admitting how you fucked up, or concealing what you did and potentially causing severe injury/death in the surrounding area as a result, which would ultimately be worse for your reputation? :P
@harleyspeedthrust4013
2 жыл бұрын
@@sleepyburr in general its always better to be honest and accept responsibility, not only where you screw up but also where you succeed. it is the mark of a small man (or woman) to blame others or shift responsibility to protect themselves
@JNJNRobin1337
Жыл бұрын
personal belief: it shouldnt be legal to withold critical information to emergency personnel when a disaster happens at a location, because not supplying important information will only lead to problems
@xaenon
5 жыл бұрын
I used to live near a Bayer facility in SW Ohio. It was often said that the plant had the capability of blowing the town completely off the map.
@hugofraga4075
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@wnytrashtrucks
Жыл бұрын
there is a lot of chemical plants that really could. Or places with certain chemicals
@kentslocum
7 ай бұрын
Flammable chemicals aren't the only way to cause explosions. My employer has a steam heating plant. If the water level inside the boilers were to drop too low, the water would flash-boil and the resulting explosion would level several city blocks.
@budbarker57
12 жыл бұрын
I was in South Charleston, just around the bend, in the Kanawha. The concussion was so great, that I thought someone was trying to break down our front door.
@valsptsd814
4 жыл бұрын
There are fire departments that are expressly instructed to refuse to enter a chemical facility if the chemical hazard is not identified. They will evacuate a huge area before they will approach an unknown danger.
@oldgysgt
6 жыл бұрын
There is NEVER an excuse for deviating from an SOP, (Standard Operating Procedure), or MOP, (Method Of Procedure). Any problems with an SOP or MOP should be addressed BEFORE the SOP or MOP is adopted. If the work cannot proceed within the SOP or MOP guidelines, the "Back Out" procedures in the SOP or MOP needs to be followed, and the operation stopped until the issue has been resolved, and a new SOP or MOP is written, reviewed, and published. Only then should the work be resumed. This might be costly in time, but accidents are also costly in time, lives, and money. "No job is so important, no service is so urgent, that we can't take the time to perform our work safely".
@princewilliams9388
5 жыл бұрын
🤔 and I agree!!!
@filanfyretracker
4 жыл бұрын
in a logical world I would say you are right, Corporations exist in a land so illogical that a Vulcan would explode if they walked in the door due to the hard logic vacuum. Cost is the very reason for this lack of logic. Sadly shareholders do not care about safety and SOPs, They care about quarterly revenues and profits. "We have to pause and let the fluids cool down some" Corporate HQ "I need that plant online in five hours make it happen" And sadly in today's world if you will not bypass the safety lockout than management will find someone who will. Especially in places without unions
@miguelzavaleta1911
4 жыл бұрын
I wish that was the prevalent culture. I work automation consulting and actually get to see many plants and processes first-hand. As a rule of thumb, the older the plant, the more they become complacent to bending SOPs, etc. You see it all the time, machines with so many modifications that their wiring diagrams are useless, processes that are changed or developed on a per-day basis, etc. You get the idea.
@crispychickenwing
2 жыл бұрын
Other than learning about something completely new from watching this channel, I really like and appreciate that they included subtitles in most of their videos,even the older one from 14 years ago. It helps people like me, whos first language isnt English to understand it even more. And I can also do my own research by Googling the name of the chemicals and foreign terms mentioned in the video. 👍💯🔥
@agentblackbird9435
Жыл бұрын
I’m from the US and I use the subtitles to help hear and understand things more clearly
@ReeseKaine
7 жыл бұрын
I live across the river from Nitro, in the Unincorporated regions of Saint Albans. Dad thought that the sun rose back up again and dropped once more. My brother was stuck on the interstate, not far from Institute after it happened. Because of that, traffic was backed up a long ways, possibly all the way to Kanawha City. I won't forget that night. :(
@OAleathaO
6 жыл бұрын
As is usually the case, during a disaster anyone working on site is normally instructed NOT to release any information to anyone outside the company. This includes first responders. I'm not agreeing with it; just stating what seems to be the case time and again. Most managers on site are instructed to contact their superiors who will then decide what information to release to the public. In the cases where company onsite personnel have released information to first responders it is usually found later during the investigation that they were violating company policy by doing so. This is part of the corporate culture that puts PR damage control ahead of employee, first responder and community safety.
@Halberdin
5 жыл бұрын
I think less of PR than the problems caused by incorrect, outdated or incomplete information, like legal liability. Some random people at the gates or phones cannot be relied on. There has to be direct communication between the people in charge or specialists; this seems to have failed here. But the company might not have known what happened, what was damaged and what was burning or being released. So silence is, from PR view, better than "we don't know".
@painmagnet1
4 жыл бұрын
This is not the case in the industries I have associated with in the northwestern US. Managers will attempt to discourage gossip with the press regarding public relations, but safety concerns dictate 100% compliance first and foremost. Then again, I don't work in the deep south. The culture is different and it's why we see more industrial accidents there, administrators assume more power. Probably due to cronyism.
@TheTrueAdept
4 жыл бұрын
@@sjb3460 However, they still had much of the culture, the only reason that WV succeeded was because they didn't want to fight for slavery (WV was a part of Virginia that was pretty much slave-empty and de facto anti-slavery). WV is mostly mining towns back then if I remember right.
@keiyakins
Жыл бұрын
Given that it was known there was MIC on site, first responders should have enacted plans for a release of that, and told the public there was a possible release of it. If Bayer wants to "protect their image" by refusing accurate information, assume the worst.
@rustyaxelrod
4 жыл бұрын
Human factor analysis sound pretty dry but it is, in fact, a fascinating subject. I work in aviation (weapons systems) and receive annual training and I always enjoy the classes. In any dangerous environment it is THE mechanism to avoid failure and consistently results in improved safety, productivity and even earnings for the company. Many people, managers and technicians included roll their eyes when the subject come up but it is a valid and vital aspect of getting dangerous things done. Learn the “dirty dozen” human factors failures and learn to recognize them in your worksite even if your company doesn’t teach them. Much info is available online.
@Eldomibori
5 жыл бұрын
I remember that night. Terrifying. It was my birthday I was a kid. Just turned 8 years old that day and I woke up from the explosion and looked out the window and started screaming the sky is on fire.
@titaniumsandwedge
5 жыл бұрын
The chemical operator monitoring the decomposition tank misread the situation. if it were just a blocked vent line, it would explain the increase in pressure. But by then the temperature inside the tank was over limit. High tempeature and pressure are signs of a reaction taking off.
@stanislavkostarnov2157
5 жыл бұрын
a good safety rule of thumb: if no information is given assume the worst... they must have after all had some idea of the kind of production going on at the plant, at least a local evacuation should have been ordered until more information was known. also, if there was knowing deception/lies coming from anyone of the management/employees of the plant, those people have names, and should be tried as criminals for what they have done. at minimal they have given false witness to a member of the authorities, at maximum, they have gravely endangered lives by their willful and unlawful actions. the fact of the deception though needs to be established by the court.
@keiyakins
Жыл бұрын
Given what we know about MIC releases from Bhopal, a five mile evacuation and ten mile shelter-in-place would have been entirely warranted. And those are *minimums*.
@ph11p3540
5 жыл бұрын
Most likely the non disclosure of information when it was so desperately needed was due to Bayer having Department of Defense contracts. Nobody in middle or lower job positions dares say anything out fear of being put in federal prison for divulging information that may fall under national security protection. A lot of corporations love to bring up DoD non disclosure laws whenever they want to thwart an investigation or hide secrets from the people who need to know the most.
@nobody-xu8ju
3 жыл бұрын
@Lise Dolen naw some things needs to be secret so STFU
@Simon-xi7lb
3 жыл бұрын
@@nobody-xu8ju I'm sure the 40,000 people living near the facility appreciate your valuing government secrecy over their safety.
@nobody-xu8ju
3 жыл бұрын
@@Simon-xi7lb then they should move that place was there long before any one living there now
@Simon-xi7lb
3 жыл бұрын
@@nobody-xu8ju lol yeah, just 40,000 people abandoning their homes just because the subhumans at bayer and the dod don't care about following proper safety procedures. you're positively brilliant, you know that?
@nobody-xu8ju
3 жыл бұрын
@@Simon-xi7lb or they could just deal with that's about the only two options they have
@FlameDarkfire
4 жыл бұрын
An accident like what happened in Bhopal absolutely can happen here in the US. As long as companies continue to store dangerous intermediary chemicals and have cultures of results before safety we’re going to continue to run the risk of a serious industrial chemical incident.
@catalintimofti1117
3 жыл бұрын
"We are proud to say that no toxic chemicals were released because they have been consumed in a massive fire and explosion that killed 2 people"
@ThoughtinFlight
4 жыл бұрын
This channel is better than "seconds from disaster" or " destroyed in seconds" or any of those that extend it for like 1 hour per show. These are to the point, good nuggets of DAMN son. Also I feel many of these mistakes go STRAIGHT to Darwin awards
@Defender78
2 жыл бұрын
Darwin Awards go to people who can't know any better, can't identify hazards, and end up getting themselves wrecked. Bayer knew EXACTLY what the dangers were and intentionally CHOSE not to take protective measures, just to save on expenses
@anonymousAJ
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly the people killed are usually innocent
@johannesbols57
Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the aviation channels with their clickbait thumbnails. You see them all the time in youtube feeds and suggestions.
@Rams495
4 жыл бұрын
If I was the security guard I would've told the truth. They told me not to say anything thus I know nothing. I live 30 miles from this plant and remember they didn't say anything for a very long time. If that 13,000 lbs of Mic had leaked there would've been no one left in the valley. I think it was a very small leak in India that killed thousands. This plant has a college right next door plus a multiple towns and cities up and down the river.
@DynamicSeq
2 жыл бұрын
But what if they did not know what was on fire ..it's a big plant....And If you give wrong info, the treatment might harm the very people they are trying to help...
@MonkeyJedi99
2 жыл бұрын
@@DynamicSeq Then the truth you tell is, "I do not know exactly what is on fire, it seems to have happened in location [xyz] and I have been ordered to not tell you anything by [person]."
@YABBAHEY1
4 жыл бұрын
Bayer/Dow can not divulge that information, they have too many bees to kill. "So many bees, so little time."
@HSamee
3 жыл бұрын
Dude I don't work with anything close to the things shown in these videos but I just can't stop. the stuff is straight up informative as well as tragic.
@jcrif
4 жыл бұрын
I swear to god I could write the findings even before any of these accidents. Operators not trained, no procedures, over rides of safeties and alarms and lots of stuff that doesn't work because no one wanted to pay to have it fixed. I'm still looking for the video that tells me something new.
@stdorn
5 жыл бұрын
We have a fire at our chemical plant.. What chemicals are involved... I'm not allowed to say... Sorry we are not allowed to get anywhere near it then.
@TheMattc999
4 жыл бұрын
You know, by about 5 minutes in it's really starting to sound like they were actively trying to see how many different ways they could possibly fuck up this operation before it all goes to irreparable shit.
@gfunk4014
5 жыл бұрын
Question: Did Bayer refuse to give critical information of the chemicals in use to emergency responders because they were bidding something or because they simply did not know what was actually in use?
@haruhisuzumiya6650
4 жыл бұрын
There was Mic on the compound
@lewiemcneely9143
3 жыл бұрын
They were probably at home and waiting to see if there was another Bhopal firing up and whether they needed to hit the high road out of town.
@nickc3657
4 жыл бұрын
The Bhopal plant explosion killed tens of thousands of people, poisoned hundreds of thousands, and the area still has higher than normal rates of birth defects today. The plant was run by an American company, so it’s incredibly arrogant to think it couldn’t happen here.
@SlimbTheSlime
3 жыл бұрын
I keep binging these vids and I’m learning a lot about how to work safe in industries I’ll likely never be a part of.
@pointcuration1278
3 жыл бұрын
Working safe is something you can do in any industry. Be safe.
@n5iln
6 жыл бұрын
So how's that deregulation thing working out for everyone?
@kevinbyrne4538
5 жыл бұрын
As the narrator said at 10:51, OSHA didn't have enough inspectors to monitor the plant properly. So whether or not there were relevant regulations governing this incident, is irrelevant. The federal government abandoned its obligations and dumped its responsibility on the local county government. So a poorly funded local government, which doesn't have either the resources or the expertise to monitor these plants, nevertheless is left to do a job that it's unsuited to do. "You're on your own, guys. Good luck. You'll need it."
@TheMattc999
5 жыл бұрын
n5iln well, this wasn't "deregulated", so I would say regulated or not, it doesn't really make a difference if you've got the $$$ to pay off those in charge of overseeing your particular industry.
@painmagnet1
4 жыл бұрын
@John Ross Well said. The administration of safety concerns in the US has never been de- regulated. Regulations have steadily increased as a response to evolving disaster experience. BUT, what's always been lacking is the criminal prosecution of the real offender. I mean not a fine on the company but the incarceration of the actual people responsible.
@OhShitSeriously
4 жыл бұрын
John Ross Sure. Nothing fosters a culture of safety like giving people an active incentive to lie and conceal everything they can, lest they be scapegoated into prison by superiors who fear the same will happen to them.
@Elite7555
5 жыл бұрын
There are some things I don't understand: Why is there a password to perform unsafe operations? Why is there no safeguard against FORGETTING to add a crucial component? And why are there no automatic safety mechanisms which deal with overpressure? How could all this go unnoticed for HOURS without ANY alarms? It is unbelievable.
@raymondleggs5508
5 жыл бұрын
BOOM! refuses to tell 911 about explosion. failure!
@mikhailangel3258
6 жыл бұрын
Managers under pressure to meet production quota bypassing safety policies and after an accident the first thing they do is to cover up negligence endangering surrounding communities/population.
@Elite7555
5 жыл бұрын
And what does a manager know about engineering? Nothing! So he shouldn't have any authority about safety protocols.
@j-man6001
5 жыл бұрын
I remember this and many local news especially WSAZ were hush hush about this, just terrible the media and how they downplay a possible major catastrophe like this. Bayer needs to be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent
@michaelnolastname5405
4 жыл бұрын
Brought to you by the friendly folks that gave Heroin to the world.
@timh9537
4 жыл бұрын
Well shit, TIL...
@LetsTalkAboutPrepping
3 жыл бұрын
Bayer: gassing folks since the 40s
@williamdavis3128
4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately large corporations have way too much power when it comes to local government and federal government. Where I live there’s a DuPont plant. That particular plant was in one county and the county was redrawing the border between the county and the city border the plan was to put the plant inside the city limits but the plant said if they did that they would close all their plants in the county if they put them inside the city
@Scitech101
13 жыл бұрын
1:32 That moment sent a huge chill down my spine.
@midwestsirens
8 жыл бұрын
Why?
@Syclone0044
5 жыл бұрын
RCDude Probably because the Bhopal industrial accident is almost certainly the largest, deadliest accident you've never heard of. 10's of thousands were killed. I think 30,000?
@maxpeterson8616
Жыл бұрын
@Syclone0044 About 4,000 confirmed immediate deaths. Estimates of up to 8,000 within weeks. Likely many more due to long-term effects.
@NicholasLittlejohn
6 жыл бұрын
Are they trying to say it's not good to live near a dangerous pesticide facility or something?
@HobbyOrganist
3 жыл бұрын
"the company refused to provide any information..." Did the city tell Bayer they couln't renew their business operation license again under any circumstances now? I hope the 40,000 people all SUED and won millions and the plant was shut down permanantly! If I was in charge there as mayor or something, I'd arrange for OSHA and the EPA to conduct WEEKLY random inspections and write up EVERY single violation there is, if a gum wrapper on the floor is a violation- Bayer gets a FINE no matter what. I'd become a real sore thorn in their side like no other!
@csme07
3 жыл бұрын
They would fucking gas you lol
@Backyardmech1
8 жыл бұрын
I wonder how close to Nitro this was. There are several plants in the area. It's been more than 10 years since I last worked out in the area, but I remember the Kanawha valley is not a good place to be if a plant had a fire or release.
@Moose6340
7 жыл бұрын
I've driven I-64 and I-77 through Charleston a fair bit, and I've always wondered, with those endless miles of refineries and chemical plants along the highways, what would happen in a bad scenario. It wouldn't be pretty for sure.
@Rams495
4 жыл бұрын
This is only and 3 miles from Nitro and about 15 miles from DuPont in Belle. There are dozens of chemical plants along that stretch of river. All of them have had very dangerous chemicals at one time. DuPont used to have half million gallon tanks of chlorine. There a place above belle that trees do not grow from a leak back in the 50s. Luckily it drifted up and away from town but everyone calls it bald knob.
@TheTrainChasingPoet1999
4 жыл бұрын
Here's what I find spooky: starting at 5:19 you can hear church bells. Like, grim-sounding church bells you typically hear at a funeral
@berthold64
4 жыл бұрын
CSB videos have good sound design
@ImplantedMemories
3 жыл бұрын
When you work in a crude oil refinery and you know where your company cut's corners. I Work in the FCC Unit, so I also know where it's likely to die when shit goes wrong. These videos help us workers to prevent dangerous actions from happening. Because I can always double check or research things before I do them in a unusuall, dangerous way. But I have to say my company here in Germany is far safer than alot of other companies, we don't cheap out on life threathening things.
@anonymousAJ
2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind ignorance is often a major element of these disasters.
@BramMichaelson
5 жыл бұрын
For those of you complaining in the comment section about why Bear officials weren't held accountable for not disclosing the information… Do you understand now that there are two, possibly even three levels of law in this country? One for the politicians. One for big companies. One for you and I. Guess who goes to prison more frequently than the rest? I wonder why that is?
@mattjohnson7775
5 жыл бұрын
oh Bayer well there's your answer
@zmirecki
3 жыл бұрын
How is it even legal for these companies to not disclose that information in an emergency situation?
@EternalWarrior1988
3 жыл бұрын
Why do I keep binge watching these USCSB videos?!
@cannonball9478
6 жыл бұрын
Give CSB prosecution powers that cannot be over ruled
@Syclone0044
5 жыл бұрын
Elect Democrats and there's actually a chance of that happening
@TheTrueAdept
4 жыл бұрын
That would force it into politics, which would degrade the ability for the CSB to make proper examinations of the incidents.
@Tindometari
4 жыл бұрын
That would defeat the CSB's reason for being. Their investigations depend on interviewing people involved and getting the truth from them. Giving the CSB prosecution power would end that in a hurry. That's why every CSB report contains a notice that the report cannot be used as evidence establishing fault in any civil or criminal proceeding.
@Tindometari
4 жыл бұрын
@John Ross Just this: Make CSB cops, and witnesses will treat them like cops. Won't talk to them, they'll shut up and lawyer up -- or else they'll lie. Kinda gets in the way when you need to find out what happened and why so you make recommendations on how to avoid it happening again.
@Tindometari
4 жыл бұрын
@John Ross Sure. That is exactly what would happen. People do it with cops all the time.
@sednabold859
3 жыл бұрын
So if the emergency pressure release wasn't blocked was it still inceficent to keep the run away reaction from exploding? Seems like they routinely run the risk of explosion every time it became blocked if they wernt able to work a solution in time
@lewiemcneely9143
3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't if it was going to blow, it was WHEN.
@Firstnamelastname-sm1ty
5 жыл бұрын
And I thought China had safety issues...... this is just crazy!
@WendysCove
5 жыл бұрын
I gotta tell ya tell the truth for the public's health. Or be sued ever after I would.
@sski
7 жыл бұрын
Dr. Raf is sporting a pretty classy ensemble. That suit material, high dollar shirt, and the color and pattern of that tie are perfect. That's how you dress for success.
@painmagnet1
4 жыл бұрын
He would benefit from a speech coach, though. That accent is pretty rough.
@TheTrainChasingPoet1999
4 жыл бұрын
@@painmagnet1 That's nothing. The CSB has an Irishman on their payroll.
@Moose6340
2 жыл бұрын
Good ol' Charleston. If you ever drive Interstate 64 through Charleston, along the Kanawha River, you'll see this plant and so many others. There are literally MILES of side-by-side refineries and chemical plants along the river. Especially at night, it's pretty spectacular to see all the plants lit up and going full-tilt. Institute, Belle, Nitro, St. Albans, all those little suburban towns are right up against those plants and the Interstate. If that MIC tank had been breached...depending on the wind you would've had literally another Bhopal disaster. Possibly even worse.
@mikekerezsi9672
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid
@Blahsheep
2 жыл бұрын
In a country where you can sue anyone for pretty much anything, how are the people that didn't give out critical information not in jail?!
@TEMPLE7D
5 жыл бұрын
Bet those Bayer employees needed aspirins after that lol
@mickaelwilliams6129
4 жыл бұрын
I want to be a supervisor...whats your iq...80 iq...ok your a supervisor.
@phillipdavies1081
5 жыл бұрын
Nobody wants government oversight so this is what you get instead. Time to decide people.
@MsJinkerson
4 жыл бұрын
if a company wasn't giving the info the company should be prosecuted and serve time for it
@commissary4196
4 жыл бұрын
Bypass safety lock for the WIN!!
@Tindometari
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if you're told to defeat a safety interlock, then I don't care if it's the company's chief engineer telling you to do it -- you question that shit!
@soundspire360
Жыл бұрын
The fact that a company straight up refused to cooperate with emergency services is appalling. That should be illegal
@danielebrparish4271
Жыл бұрын
It's illegal for a gov't entity to not make records available but all private entities and individuals are not obligated to do so. That's why there is a movement by government to form partnerships with private businesses. Called public-private partnerships those records become private.
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n
2 жыл бұрын
The performance and profit bonuses given to Bayer executives far outweighed the safety concerns of POTENTIAL accidents. They became complacent after years of running the plant with broken equipment, outdated computers and overworked personnel without a major incident. Adding to that, they received huge tax breaks from the city and county, which only rewarded the profit-first mentality.
@lewiemcneely9143
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Bayer quit using that stuff. Why were they even using it at ALL and what ELSE are they using that is still that dangerous? Looks like yall need a LOT of answers! And why Bhopal at ALL? $$$$ as usual! Follow the yellow brick road.
@ScoutSniper3124
Жыл бұрын
I worked at a chemical plant for several years. The maintenance team was beyond lazy, and several of the operators in the plant were devoid of common sense. They've had many 'small' accidents due to this, and I can't help but think, one day, I'll be seeing a video detailing a MAJOR disaster at that plant. Sadly, not everyone is focused on Safety and proper maintenance.
@EM.1
4 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know that Bayer has a fertilizer crop production plants. Bayer is mostly known for pharmaceuticals medication products. But at the end it’s still a company that use chemicals materials, so it’s reasonable that they differentiate the types of products in different branches, I just didn’t know about the crops things.
@steelem422
4 жыл бұрын
It’s great to see that industry is able to monitor itself........what’s a couple of low paying employees really worth anyways?
@briansweet8904
4 жыл бұрын
Are the shareholders ok? That's the REAL concern
@lewiemcneely9143
3 жыл бұрын
@@briansweet8904 And did this knock the supervisors and foremen out of their production bonuses? Gee, I sure hope not. GAGG!
@florinmerry7664
4 жыл бұрын
Why don’t neighboring towns install public chemical monitoring system with alarms
@hornet6969
Жыл бұрын
Who else is binge watching these CSB videos ?
@doggonemess1
5 жыл бұрын
6:47 Carolyn Charnock - Executive Director, Kanawha County Metro 911 and Professional Triangle Impersonator
@danielstone2928
4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the estimated numbers of casualties if the above ground mic.storage ta nk had been compromised.
@StCreed
3 жыл бұрын
If we extrapolate from Bhopal, it could have been 2000 immediate casualties and 5000 longer term deaths. However, in Bhopal everyone was asleep and given. Here, people were awake. They were being informed as far as possible. Had MIC been released in any number, they would have had warning and a lot more people would have been able to get out. So likely less casualties. Still... the risk of thousands of deaths was there.
@timothylegg
3 жыл бұрын
Ever notice that people making environment and safety decisions never live near these facilities?
@cw1309
5 жыл бұрын
If that's the case bring up charges against the owners and managers put their ass in jail to be made an example of
@douggale5962
3 жыл бұрын
Is it just my imagination, or is the CSB really the extremely noble institution it appears to be? These videos make me think maybe all humans aren't so bad.
@anonymousAJ
2 жыл бұрын
CSB causes these accidents to create KZitem content (jk)
@38Maelstorm
Жыл бұрын
The CSB performs the same function as the NTSB which investigates airplane accidents. Their reason for being is safety first and foremost. There have been people (mid-level managers and up) at the FAA that were fired because of NTSB reports.
@sqeekykleen49
5 жыл бұрын
What a surprise, Bayer. Yup Bayer in a nutshell. Sounds Like BP borrows their handbook frequently.
@philthisone8095
4 жыл бұрын
They call it an accident, we call it corporate greed and willful neglect and as usual nothing is done till after the fact.
@unclequack5445
4 жыл бұрын
Heptane fumes?
@tuplaluusto
3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Chernobyl. "Everything is okay, just a little accident, nothing more to tell you about"
@Dblock-gv9df
5 жыл бұрын
No charges just recommendations
@OALM
4 жыл бұрын
USCSB has no authority to press charges
@fetchstixRHD
4 жыл бұрын
OALM: Not only that but their investigations aren’t designed around establishing liability and so cannot be used for that purpose. Not to say that there shouldn’t be charges but the positive thing about these types of investigations is that there should be genuine learning and suggestions to improve rather than ass covering at the expense of the truth - well in theory anyway (Edit: “No part of the conclusions, findings, or recommendations of the Board relating to any accidental release or the investigation thereof shall be admitted as evidence or used in any action or suit for damages arising out of any matter mentioned in such report. 42 U.S.C. § 7412(r)(6)(G).” - notice placed in the preamble of their reports)
@ShimrraJamaane
3 жыл бұрын
@@fetchstixRHD Excellent points. Their technique is similar to blameless postmortems in the tech industry. It is designed to prevent the incident from ever occurring again, first and foremost, so that lives aren't lost in the future. Criminal investigations should be independent from these types of analyses or else they wouldn't be able to get the necessary information they need from workers who may have made mistakes.
@ToxicallyMasculinelol
4 жыл бұрын
i love this guy whose voice sounds exactly like javier bardem's
@willyeverlearn7052
4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant idea. Get those videos out there.
@ke3wh
5 жыл бұрын
So sad
@Myrea_Rend
3 жыл бұрын
Y'all, this plant used to be owned by none other than *Union Carbide.* The Bhopal plant's layout was based on this plant.
@jesusabueno1701
Жыл бұрын
What use is the new software and equipment if they will be bypassed
@watchthe1369
5 жыл бұрын
ACCOUNTABILITY>>>>>You quit your job and get proven right? or do as told and whose fault is it? I think people that work in these places might want to consider a "Safety Strike" if they KNOW it isn't ready. The county or local community should take charge of their safety. 2 engineers from the Horizon Incident went to jail for signing off, but what happened to BP? Time for the community to fine Bayer a couple million $$$$, that will get their attention.
@Cypher791
Жыл бұрын
Is everything alright in there? “Yes!! Uhh, everything is fine!” But… the plant is on fire!… “yes that’s normal.. nothing to see here..” 😳🔥
@Ybw420
3 жыл бұрын
we need one of these videos for that beirut explosion
@bobohunter1776
3 жыл бұрын
This is a US federal organization. That isn't their jurisdiction
@srmj71
5 жыл бұрын
Had I been in a position of authority, in that situation, with Bayer refusing to give information, Bayer would still be paying the fine. They would be paying that fine for decades. I would also have been going for jail time for all Bayer employees involved in withholding that critical information. I would not stop short of blood. I'm all for industry, but the stupidity of refusing to release the needed info, absolutely cannot go unchallenged or unpunished.
@tim3172
Жыл бұрын
I love how the people tasked with operating these systems think they're smarter than the people who *engineered* these systems.
@senzomcmanus
4 жыл бұрын
Good thing these big companies lobby for less regulation and lesser fines for violations or they might be out of business. And after all taking care of workers doesn't increase revenue.
@crazynate3761
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Bayer management was running the emergency services in this area.
@visualverbs
Жыл бұрын
That is not merely unconscionable, IT IS CRIMINAL.
@simflyr1957
4 жыл бұрын
Bottom-line ALWAYS trumps SAFETY... and it's sad
@devtrash
3 жыл бұрын
Why was Bayer in 2008 storing MIC?
@robertgift
4 жыл бұрын
Bayer managers who withheld pertinent information should have served jail time and Bayer CropSciencenormously fined.
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