Note that bothe "Scotty" and show creator Gene Roddenberry were WWII combat veterans
@powerbadpowerbad
Жыл бұрын
I forgot Roddenberry flew combat missions in WW 2,he was also an LA cop for 8 yrs,while he wrote scripts for various tv shows of the time.I ADMIRE him for this.
@MrDeathpilot
Жыл бұрын
Doohan also lost the middle finger on his right hand during his service. That's why it's very rare to see his right hand. He kept it well hidden from the cameras.
@HobbyView
Жыл бұрын
@@MrDeathpilot, I got to shake that hand many years ago!
@DavidB-2268
Жыл бұрын
Nimoy refused to have any promotional photos taken of him in the uniform. He was going to be joining his family for Hanukkah (the episode was filmed in December), and wanted to avoid any controversy.
@Slashygirl66
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe they even went through with it considering they're both Jewish. Nimoy more so.
@Slashygirl66
Жыл бұрын
Very true, they were posing as them. I guess people viewed the subject of Nazis, different back then than they do now. Thanks for clarifying.
@handsolo1209
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmeadows5627 I think it was to not upset Nimoy's family (who must have lost some relatives in the concentration camps). rather than Nimoy being "triggered".
@DavidB-2268
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmeadows5627 The blonde actress, Valora Noland's family fled to America from Germany during the war. She wasn't aware that the uniform included the swastika until she showed up on set. She's said that she'd never have taken the job if she'd known beforehand. As a result, she quit acting altogether after this.
@Randall1001
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmeadows5627 Dude, it's REALLY In bad taste to use the term "triggered" and phrases like "self-righteous" and "run to your safe space" when talking about Nazis. And worse so when talking about Jewish actors having to get into Nazi costumes. Sure, it's been done. And yeah, Shatner and Nimoy went along and did it. But you don't know more than anyone else how actors would feel about this and you have no right to make judgement calls on it.
@wvexile
10 ай бұрын
“I’m I supposed to care about this person I’ve never met.” Yes. That’s kind of the point of the episode.
@Jim-Mc
Жыл бұрын
When you borrow the Hogan's Heroes props and costumes for a week. (Keep in mind Hogans Heroes was a weekly COMEDY at that time. ) People were not offended.
@dmnemaine
Жыл бұрын
They probably didn't use Hogan's Heroes paraphernalia. They were on different networks. Star Trek was NBC and Hogan's Heroes was CBS. Hollywood had been doing WWII-themed films and television since the 1940s, and that kind of stuff would have been readily available.
@dngillikin
Жыл бұрын
Which Network each series ran on is irrelevant. Hogan's Heroes was filmed at Desilu Studios (later renamed Paramount Studios) for its first four seasons (Production moved to General Cinema's studios for seasons five and six) and the Stalag 13 exteriors were shot on the old RKO/Desilu 40 Acres backlot (the same backlot where external Mayberry street scenes were filmed and were used in several Star Trek episodes). That said, stock costumes like Nazi military uniforms were rented from Hollywood costume supply houses who serviced many competing studios and production companies, so it's more than likely that Hogan's Heroes and this Star Trek episode rented assets supplied by the same costuming supply house.
@ariochiv
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, WWII stuff was all over the television at this time. It was as common as Westerns.
@handsolo1209
Жыл бұрын
@@ariochiv It wasn't common for the heroes on a show to be the ones wearing those Hugo Boss clothes though.
@ariochiv
Жыл бұрын
@@handsolo1209 Nah, heroes like Hogan were masquerading as Nazis practically every other week. Audiences weren't nearly as hypersensitive as people think they are today.
@mycenaeus9128
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the few episodes I did not get to see as a child, because for a long time, German television stations would not broadcast it.
@thewiseoldherper7047
Жыл бұрын
Yes I watched a reaction of the movie Casablanca, which has Nazi characters in it. The reactor noted that the movie was not released in Germany until 1952, 10 years after it was made and years after the war had ended. Of course we’re only talking about West Germany as well.
@ninjabluefyre3815
Жыл бұрын
Didn't they also reedit Amok Time to make Spock hallucinate from space sickness instead being horny and violent?
@marchertel5581
Жыл бұрын
@@ninjabluefyre3815 That is as I remember it. After all, this is a kids' show! (According to the German broadcaster, that is.) They also butchered the eps brutally, often cutting out important scenes, adding unnecessary "jokes" etc. Plus, half the series was only ever released in Germany in the late 1980s because the original broadcaster didn't bother buying it. Supposedly, that half entirely "glorified violence." Which... uhm... it did not.
@michaelevans6669
Жыл бұрын
This episode was made only about 22 years after the end of WWII.
@clearsmashdrop5829
10 ай бұрын
22 years ago today was not very long after 9/11. Today's most kids probably know every little about WW2 compared to 9/11 and the War on Terror period
@scottareevesrecords
8 ай бұрын
@@clearsmashdrop5829 I doubt they know much about 9/11 either.
@RetroRobotRadio
Жыл бұрын
Yes another episode where they made use of available props and sets at the studio.
@Nangleator22
Жыл бұрын
And uniforms.
@powerbadpowerbad
Жыл бұрын
Money saver too.
@flynngames4703
Жыл бұрын
The head bobbing during the theme song is doing it for me. 😁
@pleasantvalleypickerca7681
Жыл бұрын
One of the better episodes in the last half of season two. It deals with a tough time in real history. Damn brave stuff for the time. It was only 20 plus years after the war ended. I think it's a great episode. I give it an A.
@Chou-seh-fu
Жыл бұрын
An 80s sci-fi series called "V" explored the concept of "aliens as Nazis" without being quite so on-the-nose.
@alucard624
Жыл бұрын
The Visitor Youth Group was a little too on the nose though, complete with the sympathizers wearing brown uniforms.
@Kissamiess
11 ай бұрын
@@alucard624 Not to mention their swastika-esque symbol
@Temeraire101
7 ай бұрын
Jane Badler who played Diana in V was hot as hell.
@barbarosa5299
Жыл бұрын
"They did some good things too. Ok Kanye." I haven't laughed that hard in a while. Love the channel guys. You two are keeping the old Star Trek alive. As a life-long Trekkie I think you should react to the movies when you're done with the series. You should really enjoy them, now that you know these characters so well.
@rymerster
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, the TOS movies I to IV came before Next Generation anyway so they can stick to release order.
@mjbull5156
8 ай бұрын
It was still thought in the '60s that the German Nazis and Italian Fascists were insidiously good at governing and had turned around the German and Itlian economies from the Depression. Opinion has changed about that now and they were largely criminal organizations.
@vincentsaia6545
Жыл бұрын
As for the ship being able to immediately manufacture a Nazi uniform, I would assume the process is something like today's 3-D printing.
@visaman
Жыл бұрын
Same with the food.
@andreayeatman4671
Жыл бұрын
Seeing Kirk and Spock in Nazi uniforms wouldn't have been weird at all on TV back in 1968. There were so many shows that had a WWII theme or villains on at that time. It was just acting, no one thought it was real or anything.
@Dmarcoot
Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t one of my favorites as a kid. The whipping of Spock with his green blood is the most memorable aspect of the episode. I did appreciate Shatner comedic acting when Spock was standing on him.
@ariochiv
Жыл бұрын
As I kid I usually disliked any time they went to a low-tech planet and wore normal "modern" clothes (as what I was hungering for was SF!), but my second favorite thing was "army men," so I didn't object in this case. :D
@nancyomalley6286
Жыл бұрын
"Will we see this actor again?" (referring to Melekon) Yes, in the 3rd season episode "The Way to Eden" as Dr. Sevren, the leader of a group of space hippies
@deedubya286
Жыл бұрын
I'm usually up on my Trek trivia, but I didn't know that one.
@MrSmartAlec
10 ай бұрын
I think he's in a 3rd episode where he is the leader of a group of primitive natives that worship a god that communicates with him thru an earpiece. Each day they carry food into a cave as a gift to the god. Kirk and company help them escape the control of their god.
@nancyomalley6286
10 ай бұрын
@@MrSmartAlec Sounded like him but not him. I just recently watched that episode
@chrismacphail7041
Жыл бұрын
one of my favourite episodes
@marcbloom7462
Жыл бұрын
Guys, WW II ended in 1945. This episode would have been written in 1966-67. that's only 21-22 years from the end of the war. "Former" Nazis were still active in the West and East German governments and militaries. And the US space program, of course. There was an experiment in a US high school, the creation of a group that excluded some students and tried to control the whole school. The TV movie was called "The Wave" and in the movie it took weeks to reach a breaking point. In the original incident, it took days.
@m.e.3862
Жыл бұрын
It pretty much proved especially to skeptic students that they could become nazis like the German populace back in the 30s. Although I think the teacher got fired for his experiment!
@larrystuder6378
8 ай бұрын
Roddenberry himself served in WW2, flew 89 missions as a bomber pilot in the Pacific.
@derworfnet
15 күн бұрын
This episode was banned in Germany for the longest time and was the last one to be dubbed. For context, there were two original runs in Germany: One during 1972-74 on the public ZDF-network (a random selection of 39 episodes from all three seasons, and out of order to boot). 39 of the remaining Episodes were finally dubbed in 1987/88 and broadcast by the private SAT1-network, which also aired the entire Series in order for the first time. The only exception was _Patterns of Force,_ which wasn't dubbed until 1995. They did manage to get most of the original Voice actors for this job, but especially those of Kirk and Spock (Gert Günther Hoffmann and Herbert Weicker, respectively) sounded much, much older. Both died in 1997, sadly.
@corumhayes8178
Жыл бұрын
That Royal Rumble cut was awesome!!
@Dmarcoot
Жыл бұрын
I laughed twice at it
@eschnabel.4665
Жыл бұрын
I once heard that episodes like this, (and Hogan's Heroes, and McHale's Navy as a whole I suppose), were cathartic in some way being only about 20 years removed from WW2 at the time. Not sure if that's true or not. It probably owes as much to available sets and wardrobes as anything else. You people do good work. Have a good day.
@powerbadpowerbad
Жыл бұрын
I have the first season of Hogan's Heroes on dvd,good show,you can't but laugh at imcompatant,silly nazis.
@m.e.3862
Жыл бұрын
The only show where getting sent to The Russian front is considered a gag!😛
@visaman
Жыл бұрын
@@powerbadpowerbad Hogan's Heroes has been on METV for over 10 years at 10PM.
@CrankyGrandma
11 ай бұрын
Oh yes! From just post war through the sixties we saw this a lot. In Doctor Who Daleks were based on Nazis and that was three years before trek. I was a kid and movies with nazi villains were common. It reminded us of the evil…both in drama and comedy (comedy showing the absurdity of evil).
@gailseatonhumbert
10 ай бұрын
Yes it worked well in the post war culture.
@kurtb8474
Жыл бұрын
This was only in the neighborhood of 20 years after WW2. My parents were of that generation. They were in their 40s in the 1960s. A war like that would still be fresh in the minds of that generation.
@bobm2027
Жыл бұрын
I enjoy seeing the two reactions differ as they did. Valid points made all around.
@jpotter2086
9 ай бұрын
"DO they know what Vulcans are?" Doesn't matter in a society in which difference, ANY difference, is feared, vilified, ostracized, attacked.
@markpekrul4393
Жыл бұрын
Contrary to Kirk's statement at the end, the Nazi leadership was not psychotic. Which makes them and their movement all the more terrible. Also, Gill's statement to the effect that the Nazi's were the most efficient state Earth ever knew perpetuates the myth that underneath all the wickedness was a well-run government (a notion also adhered to by that well-known late 20th century historian and political philosopher Marge Schott). Nazi Germany was, apart from its horrors, a corrupt, poorly run state with only a veneer of efficiency made possible through misallocation of resources.
@dmnemaine
Жыл бұрын
Maybe Hitler's yes-men weren't psychotic, but Hitler surely was, and they were doing pretty much everything he wanted them to do. There's not much difference between catering to the whims of a psychopath and being psychopathic yourself.
@markpekrul4393
Жыл бұрын
@@dmnemaine Well in clinical terms there is, but I completely see your point.
@MoonjumperReviews
Жыл бұрын
Great review, as usual, guys. And you took it in stride. Many other young viewers today seem shocked (and sometimes offended) seeing Nazis portrayed onscreen, without realizing that Nazis were some of TV’s most common villains in the 1960s and 70s, as World War II was still very recent memory at the time, as recent as 9-11 is now. Nazis made for very popular villains BECAUSE they were so hated by the very generation who fought them and were now raising families in front of the TV. Unlike today’s youth, they were also capable dealing with the “emotional trauma” of seeing one, and in some cases, even having a laugh about it (i.e. Hogan’s Heroes). One of the dumbest, out of touch videos that Whatculture did a few years ago was lamenting this episode as “inappropriate,” indicating that the very act of portraying Nazis as the villains-as the VILLAINS-was tantamount to condoning Nazis. And millennials (who weren’t even alive at the time with all their oppressive trauma weighing on them) wonder why people born before last week think of them as “snowflakes.” I do agree with your criticism that this Nazi regime seems to have sprung up rather quickly given that John Gill only arrived “a few years ago.” I guess it depends on what is “a few years?” The woman having “grown up” admiring John Gill does seem like a continuity contradiction. It took the Nazis of Germany roughly a decade to come to power, so it did happen rather quickly, but this seems abrupt even still.
@scottareevesrecords
8 ай бұрын
Maybe the natives age super quickly, so that the woman is only 14 earth years old in the episode. Their culture also evolves at an advanced pace, keeping up with the rapid aging.
@rscottdjr
Жыл бұрын
One of you two made a comment about "Scotty and his Scotch" a couple of episodes back. Stand by for the next one.
@openfor45
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure they will "let us know". tee hee hee
@susanfox6666
3 ай бұрын
The bad guy who was shot at this end was actor Skip Holmeier. Not sure how he spelled it. Thanks again, guys!
@robertelliott2737
Жыл бұрын
I enjoy your comments this was just a basic show to me. But I enjoyed it. I like that sometimes your different reactions are legitimately honest. Some shows you have liked that I didn’t care for but that is all good. In the end I feel you see what a lot of us saw in the episodes as kids. As always enjoyed your reactions and thoughts on the show.
@Phantassm
5 ай бұрын
I didn't too much care for this episode when I was younger but its really grown on me now. It's pretty good.
@racookster
Жыл бұрын
I've read that the network wanted Nimoy to shave his chest for this episode. Basically, his answer was, "Not only no, but hell no." As others have said, Nazis weren't as taboo in 1968 America as they are now. People made fun of them, thinking "it could never happen here." Wrong. The studio already had the costumes. It was cheaper than making new ones.
@Slashygirl66
Жыл бұрын
I didn't know that. Interesting.
@Daniel-Strain
Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to have been in the room when the pitch idea for Hogan's Heroes was made in the producer's office. A sitcom placed in a Nazi prison camp.
@visaman
Жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-Strain It was a Bing Crosby production. I wonder if he pitched it. 😆
@Daniel-Strain
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmeadows5627 It already is.
@Daniel-Strain
Жыл бұрын
@@davidmeadows5627 You obviously don't know that you don't wait for true persecution. You recognize cut off fascism as it is rising. That's what 'never again' means. It doesn't mean we wait until it's completely taken over.
@handsolo1209
Жыл бұрын
I can imagine that it can't have been easy for Leonard Nimoy or William Shatner to put those uniforms on.
@Jim-Mc
Жыл бұрын
Well around the same time Hogan's Heroes was a weekly comedy featuring actual Nαζis. I think we're more sensitive than the people who actually fought them.
@readhistory2023
Жыл бұрын
If seeing or wearing a Nazi uniform offended a actor back then they were going to be offended alot. The Nazis were a common villian on TV back in the day. The Man From Uncle used them, Mission Impossible, Hogan's Heroes, The Rat Patrol etc. They were the go to villian because teh audience didn't feel bad when you killed them.
@openfor45
Жыл бұрын
@@readhistory2023 Maybe the Target Audienc should react to one of these old TV series as well. Rat Patrol was a fun watch back then.
@majkus
Жыл бұрын
@@Jim-Mc And some of the stars in Hogan's had experienced Naziism first-hand. Robert Clary had a tattoo from his internment at the Buchenwald concentration camp.
@Jim-Mc
Жыл бұрын
@@majkus Wow, that's pretty amazing. The psychology of that generation is fascinating.
@mikeg2306
Ай бұрын
This was by far the best Alternate Earth episode.
@MrDeadstu
Жыл бұрын
Good or bad, you don't forget this episode. The prison cell scene is one of my favorites, Kirk shouting, then calming down, some classic Star Trek humor. Although the topic is sensitive, I believe it was to make a point about Authoritarianism and its easy corruptibility.
@Bfdidc
Жыл бұрын
Whatever one thinks of this episode in general, that scene is solid gold!
@carlosvergara4132
Жыл бұрын
I weirdly agree with both your opinions, the episode has an interesting premise and is fun to see these characters in this situation, but the longer it goes, the less interesting it gets, by the end you wish they really had done "something", I'm not sure what exactly, I'm not a writer, but you can tell something is missing. Always love watching your honest reactions, whatever they end up being. Really looking forward to the movies 🖖🏻
@Rabbithole8
Жыл бұрын
Yes, and the on the nose elements do diminish the episode. Instead of Zion we have Zeon. The names of Zeon characters are very Jewish such as Isak and Abrom. As stated, making it less obvious would have made the point of the episode without making it heavy handed.
@Slashygirl66
Жыл бұрын
I agree. There's something missing but I don't know what.
@OzBaxter
9 ай бұрын
11:23 to 11:39 - Perfection! LOL!!!!
@dwaterson21
Ай бұрын
Funnily enough, “Scotty” (James Doohan) lost a finger storming Normandy, Gene Roddenberry was also a WW2 vet, and William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are (were) both Jewish. This was also filmed right before Hanukkah.
@rightofcenter1977
Жыл бұрын
I've been watching Star Trek for 30 years. In fact I've been watching the original series for 30 years. I whole-heartedly agree with those last comments. There are some episodes you just forget about. In this series, I've seen some episodes 300 times, and I've seen some episodes less than a handful of times. Some of them just engage you more.
@ice-iu3vv
Жыл бұрын
world war 2 was almost exactly as old when this episode was filmed as 9/11 is for us today. 10:44 cool edit. this episode wasnt shown in germany until after the year 2000. "what do they just like have all these nazi clothes lying around"? no, he had said something like "tie computer banks into ship stores and get mccoy a uniform for nazi germany circa 1944, make him a colonel" since it wasnt in the video, i cant tell if you were talking at that point or something and somehow missed that. that means to use pattern -replicators, like the food dispensers, and make him one. and not getting that mellecahn (however its spelled idk) was the second-in -command bad guy drugging john gill etc. missing those points is on you, josh. its always been a polarizing episode, you guys voted very differently on it, and my own vote ( below average but not bad) is quite different from either of yours. the next episode has the ultimate uber-hotty from all of tos, if not all of trek. (barbara bouchet).
@targetaudience
Жыл бұрын
No, it’s not on me. If the episode was better I would be more invested and would’ve cared more about who it was. But all of the nazis might as well have been storm troopers in terms of how much character any of them had.
@jch13213
Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact : Gene Roddenberry thought men of the future would have minimal chest hair. ( I know right? ) , so Shatner had his chest shaved . Nimoy refused to shave his chest when it was requested.
@bradchoi9679
Жыл бұрын
Yes, if they had a better budget, they probably could have done it better. Always remember they did this series on basically a "shoestring" budget. Sometimes, you had to pay close attention to "get it". The "B" plot was the validation of the Prime Directive. John Gill said so himself just before he died..... but you cut that out, like you cut out a lot of the establishing dialog to save for your Patreon donors. THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, but it would be hard to understand this episode if you don't pay attention the whole time.
@pauld6967
Жыл бұрын
Alex and Josh it is great to have you two review another classic episode. A big boo and hiss to KZitem though. At 0620 this morning I see the video is available and the label states that it was posted 20 hours ago and it most certainly *was not* available last night, let alone almost a full day ago.
@rogershore3128
Жыл бұрын
An episode that proves a solid script and acting always works with a nice message. Like the film Bad Day at Black Rock the message is there but it's not rammed down your throat....
@rogershore3128
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelceraso1977 I have to admit Bruce Lee and Tracy in one in a film was not something I was expecting......
@hv3926
6 ай бұрын
The guy who shoots the machine gun and kills John Gill is in one of my favorite Outer Limits episodes: Expanding Human. Shatner and Nimoy were in The Outer Limits.😮🙂
@GF_Baltar
Жыл бұрын
Your discussion of what viewers who walked into the middle of this episode might think reminded me of a chapter in the These Are The Voyages book. A 14 year-old girl named Kim Larson from Oregon had won a contest sponsored by FaVE magazine and she got a trip to Hollywood to visit the set of The Monkees TV show. But she also got to visit the Star Trek set during production of this episode; Larson said "As we walked in the Stage 11 door this buzzer went off and some man yelled, 'Quiet!' from over in the corner. We tiptoed up to where they were filming. Picture this: Leonard Nimoy (Mr. Spock), in _jail_ stripped to the waist, with _green_ blood all over him! That was my first sight of the Star Trek stars and you can believe I won’t forget it for a long time!" Lucky girl, experiencing The Monkees and Star Trek in the same week!
@Adam_Le-Roi_Davis.
Жыл бұрын
I think that it's a solid episode, it's a good premise, which I think they could have done more with it, but with the time constraints of the series it isn't always possible.
@chuckt1139
Жыл бұрын
If you go back you can see the the handcuffs they were wearing in the cell are not locked.
@mjbull5156
8 ай бұрын
The one where Spock Macgyvers a laser that can melt a steel lock in seconds powered off a 100 W (at most) incandescent bulb.
@CaesiusX
Жыл бұрын
WWII shows and episode plotlines were in abundance back then. From straight up WWII adventure shows to sci fi to comedies.¹ It wasn't as shocking as people now may want to believe. Though I watched a great many of these TV shows in reruns growing up, I still ran a cursory search² and discovered there were far more than even those I managed to see myself. . .Particularly comedies. While most were from the US and UK, I did come across one from Iraq made in 1976 called, _"My Uncle Napoleon."_ A comedy about Tehran under Allied occupation. 14:02 _"Was that guy in the whole episode? Because honestly I don't even know who it that is."_ 😳 Seriously? ··•●✺●•·· ¹ ─ Either a show taking place in WWII, or focusing an episode on it, as this _STAR TREK_ episode did. ² ─ "List of World War II television series"
@OpenMawProductions
Жыл бұрын
Episodes like this were essentially (though not exactly) in the original Star Trek Pitch. The whole idea is "We can save money by using Paramount standing lots and costume from recent films." So you had westerns and war movies being made all the time. That stuff was readily available. It was an ingenious way to save money. The show was always read lining budget. One thing that makes this extra funny to me is that both William Shatner and Nimoy are Jewish.
@Bjy001
Жыл бұрын
To expand on Josh's take, given GRod's penchant for morality tales, this episode could have had a much deeper lesson. A missed opportunity to be sure but they sorta make up for it two episodes down the line with Kirk's greatest speech in Omega Glory.
@richardsteiner8992
Жыл бұрын
This episode was released 23 years after the end of WWII
@williamblakehall5566
Жыл бұрын
What's wonderful about this is that both Nimoy and Shatner came from Jewish backgrounds. I've always appreciated the crack "You should make a very convincing Nazi" and like to take that as a tribute to Shatner playing the personal valet of star Spencer Tracy in the great, but grim, movie Judgment at Nuremberg. One thing that bugged me about early Trek was that they kept philosophizing that dictatorships were noted for their efficiency -- they attributed that to Klingons as well -- but in fact the Third Reich began with a lot of corporate backing and was deeply corrupt, prospering only by lunging from one conquest to the next, plus enslaving and slaughtering millions of its own people. (Thank you for the "Okay, Kanye." I like this but I think I'm more with Josh.) Derring-do against Nazis was big in the 1960s, with movies like Where Eagles Dare. Coming up before this season ends, we'll get two more "alien worlds posing uncanny parallel Earth histories" episodes, but at least they'll be more fun. Coming right up: conquerors from another galaxy. Thanks, TA. Steady as she goes, warp factor two.
@jcortese3300
Жыл бұрын
Agreed on the "efficiency of dictators" false belief -- dictatorships are notoriously INefficient. Literally the only things they are very efficient at are embezzlement and labor camps. Everything else? They choke on their own paperwork and corruption to the point where they can't manufacture a pencil in under six months.
@brianalambert1192
Жыл бұрын
This episode is one of my dad's favorites; he's a big time military history buff (former Marine) and he loves all the little details they threw in about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust that were not necessary. The Zeons for instance is an obvious reference to Zion or Zionism, but he also said that Ekos was a reference to something specific to the Nazis, but for the life of me I cannot remember what he said nor can I find reference to it. There's also the using the Zeons as a threat in order to unite the Ekosians, the details with the uniforms (McCoy's outfit includes icons on it that denote him as a colonel), and some references to things that happened at the time. It would have definitely been a tough subject to talk about especially back then and with all these little details it's great to know that the creators took this as seriously as they did
@francisdunne8542
4 ай бұрын
Voltaire had a verse in his song "Uss mak s▪︎▪︎t up" about this episode
@katwithattitude5062
Жыл бұрын
And the subcutaneous transponders were never mentioned in this series again...
@targetaudience
Жыл бұрын
That’s usually how it goes 😂
@ammaleslie509
11 ай бұрын
It was less than 25 years later, so it was MUCH more shocking at the time.
@brianbooker8724
Жыл бұрын
Skip Homeier, who plays Melakon, later guest stars in the season 3 episode The Way to Eden.
@brianeslinger3639
Жыл бұрын
To make a point this is 1968 when this was broadcast an you just saw a flat screen TV on this show about 30 years before they start showing up
@sarahfullerton6894
Жыл бұрын
Nazi Germany happened only about 23 years prior to this episode. From what Enterprise Incidents said, The Enterprise is the only Starfleet starship that returned from its 5-year journey, out of 12 starships. So, yeah, it's the best Captain and crew.
@PCat2385
2 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this episode but as usual even when I disagree you always make reasoned points on why you have an issue. I am really enjoying both of your takes on each episode as I slowly catch up on your reviews
@rscottdjr
Жыл бұрын
Oh and this episode was banned in Germany for many years. I think it was the 90's they finally aired it.
@haitolawrence5986
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Nazi symbols and paraphernalia were banned. I'm not sure what the status of those laws is today.
@martinbraun1211
Жыл бұрын
@@haitolawrence5986 I'm from Germany and I can say that nowadays the episode is aired normally on TV.
@rscottdjr
Жыл бұрын
@@martinbraun1211 Viele Zeit is doch vorbeigegangen.
@jovetj
8 ай бұрын
I just realized I have on the same headphones that Josh has.
@larryyeadeke2953
Жыл бұрын
You can do more with it, if you have the time.
@Vulcanerd
Жыл бұрын
I love Kirk's 'Whatchoo talking about??' face.
@jesseedmondson2861
Жыл бұрын
Odd that you say you will never think about this episode again. For me it was maybe the single most memorable episode of TOS. But then again I’ve always been very interested in WW2 and my grandpa was a combat veteran in that war.
@UnclePengy
Жыл бұрын
Trivia: William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are both Jewish. A lot of the "alien names" you mentioned liking are alien alterations of Jewish names (Isak=Isaac, Abrom=Abraham, Davod=David, etc.). The Zeons are obvious stand-ins for the Jews.
@rymerster
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the episodes I don't remember seeing at all as a kid, so it was fun to watch something "new". I'm rewatching episodes the week before your reactions come out to refresh my memory. It's a middling episode for me, some of the Kirk and Spock scenes are great. By the way, at the end of season 2 I would recommend watching the TOS blooper reel that is on KZitem. It was produced by Roddenberry for conventions and was later sold by mail order by his company, initially on film reels and later on VHS. I won't post the link yet, it will spoil at least one more episode. There's nothing in it from Season 3. A reaction video to the blooper reel could be a lot of fun and round out the season.
@Asher8328
Жыл бұрын
I'm kinda ambivalent towards this one... some good scenes, some bad, overall it's okay. As for the ship having Nazi clothes ready for McCoy, I've always assumed that they had replicators, even though they never mention or show them (other than the food replicators we see in a few other episodes).
@anthonybernacchi2732
Жыл бұрын
Replicators? What are these replicators of which you speak? ;-)
@brianeslinger3639
Жыл бұрын
I just want to put in my 2 cents I really enjoy your reaction’s great job ✌️ Brian from Northeast Ohio 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@davidsandy5917
Жыл бұрын
Whenever Kirk or Spock need to disuse themselves, I sometimes wonder; does everyone wear the same size clothing? At least in Raiders of the Lost Arc, when Indiana Jones tried that the uniform didn't fit.
@visaman
Жыл бұрын
They have a computer that makes clothes to size. Convenient, no?
@TheSlysterII
Жыл бұрын
Great review video guys. Now who is up for some Iron Sky?!
@geminicricket4975
Жыл бұрын
The episode was "a little too on the nose" for budgetary reasons. Nothing more. Same for other "parallel earth" episodes. If they could have afforded better, they would have. But don't forget that their "budget" wasn't constrained just by money but by time as well. And not just the time to pull sets and costuming together but time to write and produce an episode on a weekly basis. And, of course, time to fit into an hour what should have been a much longer story, hence no B plot.
@dmnemaine
Жыл бұрын
My take on why they went "on the nose" Nazi is very likely because of Nazi Germany being a fairly recent historical era, and the events of that time period would have still been fresh in the minds of many people. I think they wanted people to have no doubts about what they were referencing, and were afraid that doing it allegorically might fly past a lot of the audience.
@powerbadpowerbad
Жыл бұрын
The Zaions replaced Jews in this episode.
@JamesC1981
Жыл бұрын
@@powerbadpowerbad well it even sounds like 'zion'
@powerbadpowerbad
Жыл бұрын
@@JamesC1981 I actually spelled it wrong,Zaons.
@dmnemaine
Жыл бұрын
@@JamesC1981 Thank you for reinforcing my point.
@alanr4447a
Жыл бұрын
The actor who plays John Gill strikes me as "Hitler's NON-evil twin".
@jeffferguson4637
2 ай бұрын
Excellent
@komradewirelesscaller6716
Жыл бұрын
Daras spelled backwards is... Sara with a D added! Chairmen Eneg? Eneg spelled backwards is... Gene! Zeon is of course a takeoff of Zion!
@remo27
Жыл бұрын
11:38 - 11:39 BUUUUUUUUUUURN. That was exactly what I was thinking!
@YolandaAnneBrown95726
Жыл бұрын
The older I get, the more I really wonder about Professor Gill's logic...
@JamesC1981
Жыл бұрын
i agree he cant be that innocent to think nazi germany hand "the most efficient form of government" bringing with him a nazi book to another planet
@visaman
Жыл бұрын
Megalomaniac.
@dongilleo9743
4 ай бұрын
If Professor Gill was a famous historian, he was all intellectual theory, no real world experience.
@artboymoy
Жыл бұрын
Despite the reuse and budgeting of the episode, it was a decent episode. I probably liked it because I enjoyed Hogan's Heroes at the time. the way that Shatner says "Nat-zis" is kinda fun too. Being on the nose is really somethinng you have to do for tv back then. It's a single episode and you have move things along. Just out of curiosity, will you guys be watching ANDOR?
@mark-s
Жыл бұрын
Yes by any other name next
@BobSingerDaGunslinger
Жыл бұрын
The names of the planets and the people were also meant to be similar to history. Zeon=Zion(ist), Abrom=Abram or Abraham. Isak=Isaac.
@kschneyer
Жыл бұрын
You know, it's interesting. In 1968 (only 23 years after the end of the War, btw), there were lots of people living who remembered Hitler, and (importantly) remembered defeating him. I think he was seen as a monster, but still a human monster, at that point. People could (and did) make fun of him (see The Producers, released just the year before this episode). Nowadays he's simply a shorthand symbol for Irredeemable Evil. Part of the episode's theme is trying to grapple with what could make otherwise rational people, people who should have known better, follow Hitler. It was only seven years before this that William Shatner had a minor role in the film Judgment at Nuremburg (terrific film with a terrific cast, btw), in which the same question -- how could smart people be sucked into this? -- was raised and answered well, if horrifyingly. (I am Jewish, if it matters.)
@vorlon1
Жыл бұрын
Guys, it was about 22 years after WWII, not 35.
@Esl1999
Жыл бұрын
If you guys loved every episode, I’d be suspicious. I’m glad to see you had different opinions on this as well.
@Cmdr1962
Жыл бұрын
We must dub in Spock saying, "The nation-state known as Nazi Germany" and Kirk responding "Holy shit!" // Great that two Jewish actors defeat the Nazis.
@henrikharbin5521
Жыл бұрын
Hi guys :) The one thing I've wondered for about 30 years: is the actor who played Isak (the Zeon who they're in jail with, and who introduces them to the underground) related to Jeff Goldblum? He would be too old in the episode to be Jeff, but he kind of looks and sounds like him.
@anthonybernacchi2732
Жыл бұрын
Richard Evans played Isak. According to the Memory Alpha wiki, Evans appeared in over 80 television productions over the years, but neither Memory Alpha nor Wikipedia mentions any familial relationship with Goldblum. Evans passed away only 13 months ago, on October 2, 2021. Valora Noland (Daras) died even more recently, on March 27 of this year; she became a photographer and author after leaving the acting profession, using the name Valora Tree.
@Slashygirl66
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if it was posted here but the bad guy that got shot at the end Deputy Führer Melakon was played by Skip Homeier who also played in the episode The Way to Eden as Dr. Sevrin.
@Ozai75
Жыл бұрын
Also remember that both Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner are Jewish, along with James Doohan and Gene himself being WWII veterans (quite a few people that worked on the show were WWII vets, which explains why the Enterprise feels very much like a Destroyer patrol in the Pacific)
@raymacdonaldcreations505
Жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert: There's also an episode regarding racism coming up that's very thought provoking... one of my favorite episodes.
@civwar054
7 ай бұрын
Understand that growing up in the late 50s and 60s, WW2 was a lifetime away for us then too. This episode was merely a play on history, nothing more.
@SUK2293
Жыл бұрын
Shatner's List..
@jameswentzkershawn001
Жыл бұрын
You know when that two tone goes out, Spock has pinched someone!
@slimjimnyc270
Жыл бұрын
After the TOS, you must react to the Animated series. It was shown on Saturday morning but many of the writers were science fiction authors. It was a cut above the Saturday morning fare w/ some thought provoking episodes.
@SG-js2qn
Жыл бұрын
1968, when this episode aired, was a year of protest in West Germany. Some see it as akin to the Flower Power movement in the US, in that it involved young adults seeking a cultural change, and in this case, there was a concern that West Germany might be heading down the path of a generation before. Former Nazis were still in power, including at the universities, and some of the patterns (of force) in the culture had not changed. Ironically, some of the violent elements of this movement were probably being sponsored by socialists in China and the USSR. So this was probably another story for Star Trek that was tying the adventures of the Enterprise to what was happening in the world at the time.
@iKvetch558
Жыл бұрын
For me, the biggest issue with this episode is the idea that Nazi society was the most efficient in human history...that is really wrong. But on the other hand, I really liked this one because it is a great cautionary tale about the double edged nature of humanity's fascination with "efficiency" in society. And as others have said, it was not all that shocking to portray Nazis in the mid to late 1960s on television...once the Baby Boomers started to come of age, the interest in World War 2 topics reached an all time high since the end of the war. ✌💯
@hawkmaster381
Жыл бұрын
But the Nazis WERE efficient. They took a bankrupt and defeated nation and was able to threaten the entire planet. Germans have always been extremely intelligent, highly organized and clever; having engineers almost as smart as the Scots. I’m an engineer and I often get to work on machinery designed and built in Germany. I’ve even spent time in Germany. I’m also a student of WWII history. Trust me, Germans are not dumb.
@duanevp
Жыл бұрын
I've long thought that the writer of the episode was falling for the bankrupt trope that fascists in WWII at least "had the trains running on time", as if that had MERIT in any way while the fascists were also oppressing and murdering swaths of absolutely innocent people and those who opposed them in any way or merely proved inconvenient.
@m.e.3862
Жыл бұрын
I think in the episode that Gill chose it because the planet was so fragmented and divisive that he had to come up with a quick solution. But it also dates the episode because you’d think in hundreds of years and several explored planets and cultures that a better system exists than the Nazi government 😛
@iKvetch558
Жыл бұрын
@@hawkmaster381 Germans were and still are quite efficient, but the Nazis were much less so. Many times their ideology hugely detracted from their efficiency. Things like using slave labor, choosing not to mobilize their women for the work force en masse, as well as that whole massive expenditure on death camps and the Final Solution ALL meant that the Nazi system was FAR less efficient than a system that normal Germans might have come up with. ✌💯🖖
@bluemagic887
Жыл бұрын
As I understand it, Nazi Germany was thought of as efficient because people didn't have the whole picture. They saw how Germany had been beaten in WW1, how the Treaty of Versailles limited their military, a few years of buildup, and then "suddenly" Germany was strong enough to take most of Europe, threaten shipping across the Atlantic, threaten invasion of Britain, and start pushing into Russia? That combined with existing German stereotypes would make 'Nazis = efficient' make sense. What they DIDN'T see was how long Germany was building up while flouting Versailles restrictions, how much ridiculous waste was going on behind the scenes, and how hard the Nazis oppressed their own people to accomplish what they managed. Popular culture came to the conclusion that Nazis were efficient because they only had half the facts- and only the ones that made the enemy look good, at that! Nazi Germany didn't have a nuclear program. It had seven going at the same time, all of them run by different agencies, and actively working to sabotage each other. None of them were able to actually accomplish anything because (among other reasons) actual nuclear physics were thought to be 'too Jewish' and forbidden. THAT is what 'Nazi efficiency' actually looks like.
@brianburton1843
Жыл бұрын
Josh seems to equate a TV director with a movie director. Unless you are talking about a MCU movie. Movie directors have much more influence on the artistic influence on the final product. TV directors basically tell the actors where to stand and set up camera shots. This is because of the compressed shooting schedule. A movie director such as Stanley Kubrick can reshoot a scene 100 hundred times. Like he did with Shelly Duvall in a pivotal scene in The Shining. Just to get her nearly to the point of a nervous breakdown to make the scene believable. I think it was William Wyler who kept telling an actor. "Do it again. The exact same way but different."
@targetaudience
Жыл бұрын
Obviously movie directors have much more influence and control, but there’s a reason tv directors exist. You can tell differences in the episodes based on who’s directing even in this 60s tv show.
@raymondregis6219
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure a major consideration was how all the sets and costumes were 'off the rack' to save money.
@geoffallshorn5167
11 ай бұрын
Only 20 years later, not 35.
@bothyrat
Жыл бұрын
I think they did a good job and some.
@hungfao
Жыл бұрын
You've noted this episode's proximity to WWII. Consider, William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are Jewish. Another commenter mentioned the comedy 'Hogan's Heroes' which was being broadcast at this time as well. Consider, lead characters Werner Klemperer and John Banner are Jewish. I often wonder how they felt portraying Nazis?
@DavidB-2268
Жыл бұрын
Warner Klemperer was fine portraying a Nazi, on the firm condition that the Nazis would never "win" in the episode, and were always shown to be incompetent.
@Anthonylokison
Жыл бұрын
With this episode you can see how Star Trek was a big inspiration for Quentin Tarantino's film "Inglorious Basterds".
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