When the writers pen name is a tribute to Charles Bronson, you know his series is going to be full of 80s masculinity. 💪🏻
@jzblue345
2 жыл бұрын
How am I just finding this I love Fist of the North Star. Kenshiro is badass.
@snkeveryday6240
2 жыл бұрын
That he is John G, that he is.
@theannouncer5538
3 жыл бұрын
Shout out to raoh’s horse for being able to carry him across the wasteland
@GrumpyBearRawr
2 жыл бұрын
And then Kenshiro afterwards.
@JackSatanson
Жыл бұрын
Koku-oh (the horse)is one of the baddest dudes in the whole show
@turtleanton6539
Жыл бұрын
Such a legendary series😊
@ravinderpalsingh7729
11 ай бұрын
Best anime for me, the music score just sets it apart from everything, people only see the memes but the actual story of love and longing is just amazing BTW Raoh and Toki are my favorite characters
@artansadiki3244
5 ай бұрын
Both amazing characters, especially Raoh.
@KingKenshiro
3 жыл бұрын
This video series about HnK is probably the best on KZitem!
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
High praise indeed coming from Kenshiro himself!! Glad you like it!
@echo1736
3 жыл бұрын
Fist of the North Star not A story but THE story about a man- No, a legend who travels the land and blows people up by just touching them.
@mateokovac2642
3 жыл бұрын
The GOAT of Shonen anime.
@ARYANJCE
2 жыл бұрын
The greatest retrospective of all time. I’ve come back every year for the last 6
@snkeveryday6240
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, you flatter me. I feel honored to make something you seem to enjoy so much. Cheers Aryan
@ARYANJCE
2 жыл бұрын
@@snkeveryday6240 no boss, I am honoured to have found ur work! It’s ridiculous to me how this isn’t more popular. Genuinely hidden gold. God bless you!
@mateokovac2642
Жыл бұрын
Same.
@turtleanton6539
Жыл бұрын
Its cool 😊
@CobraLats
2 жыл бұрын
Hokuto No Ken The Grandfather that began Supernatural Martial Arts themed ANime. This series doesn't get enough credit for the children it has set the blueprint for.
@Neo-R.
2 жыл бұрын
I have watched this anime recently along with the movie and OVAs. Never shed so many tears on an anime series before...
@deihorus7927
Жыл бұрын
The italian OVA version is a little different at the end, not even Japan got it! Is worth a look.
@allenyoung3088
8 жыл бұрын
Fist of the North Star is my favorite manga/anime. The world of Fist of the North Star is a very complex and fleshed out one with unique and interesting characters. Thank you for your awesome work in showing it in such a great light!
@snkeveryday6240
8 жыл бұрын
+Allen Young I'm glad you enjoyed it Allen. This is definitely an anime series that I never really get tired of talking about! Thanks for watching
@InfernosReaper
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the series pretty damn good until that Gento arc(the one Falco came from), which was kinda just okay, like a decent fanfic. Then that Asura arc was like a godawful fanfic.
@JalekokRespawn
9 жыл бұрын
Can't believe this doesn't have more views considering what a wonderful job you've done making this video.
@snkeveryday6240
9 жыл бұрын
JalekokRespawn Much appreciated sir. I guess they come when they come, but I am just hoping that those who find it, enjoy it.
@gonkdroidincarnate4237
3 жыл бұрын
@@snkeveryday6240 Oh we did even though it took me 6 years to get here
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
@@gonkdroidincarnate4237 Better late than never! Thanks Gonk!
@disgaealikerasapOG
2 жыл бұрын
@@snkeveryday6240 Also here now
@albooga
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@Omikron1112
4 жыл бұрын
The first movie is still the best. Wish the other adaptions were made the same way. Raoh looked a lot better in the first movie.
@christopherwashington2417
4 жыл бұрын
I love fist of the Northstar.
@turtleanton6539
Жыл бұрын
Metoo😊
@earnestpeeplesjr8948
3 жыл бұрын
This Opening Theme Music go HARD!!!!
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
Hope you liked it, most people complain over the length.
@mateokovac2642
Жыл бұрын
'Road of the Lords'
@origaminefretami3480
3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this anime/manga.
@gonkdroidincarnate4237
3 жыл бұрын
I swear this is gonna get the JoJos treatment. A new incredibly successful anime dub and I'll be able to brag saying *I was there before the dub!*
@willdiesel8431
2 жыл бұрын
JoJo didn't have a completed anime before. And it's gonna be tough topping this classic.
@turtleanton6539
Жыл бұрын
It got some nice hardcovers😊
@SurelyYewJest
3 жыл бұрын
I've watched the entire HnK TV series through 2 or 3 times and it never gets old. They did a great job mixing numerous direct rips from other cultures and making it somehow so much their own. Probably the #1 fault of the series in terms of story is the ability of Hokuto Shinken to save the moment like trilithium or some form of cosmic radiation always saves the day in Star Trek. But, obviously, that's not a plot device unique to HnK. Overall though, I freakin' love this series, and it has one of the most badass English titles ever. Fist of the North Star. Damn.
@VaporwareMartinez
3 жыл бұрын
Facts.
@turtleanton6539
Жыл бұрын
Faxx😊
@johnnyoneill1676
6 жыл бұрын
Loved this show growing up, getting hyped and shedding manly tears for the the new PS4 game coming out!
@noegomez383
8 жыл бұрын
After having read the manga for the third time this year, i've been meaning to do something along the lines of making either a series of essays or overly analytical posts about the franchise. I see I may have been beaten to the punch. This is an amazing set of retrospectives. There's a surprising amount of depth in the Fist of the North Star series. And to be perfectly honest, I think the tale it tells is as relevant as ever.
@snkeveryday6240
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments. You read them all THREE times? Damn, you must read a hell of a lot faster than me. My first trip through the world was slow and plodding because I read them in the original Japanese. And I agree with you that they are as relevant as ever. Thanks again
@laplace5412
2 жыл бұрын
What a masterfully done retrospective for one of the most manliest anime out there, Thanks man for the effort
@snkeveryday6240
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Glad you enjoyed!
@calvincameron354
4 жыл бұрын
Ive only gotten into fist of the north star about a month ago its really well done.
@turtleanton6539
2 жыл бұрын
Nice !
@sddn22
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite growing up. Bad ass movie animation..
@chamchamtrigger
5 жыл бұрын
Toki's final scene is probably my favorite scene ever put on screen. That kinda rhymed.
@gonkdroidincarnate4237
3 жыл бұрын
*Kinda?* ur SPITTIN FIRE lol
@Vampiranhador
2 жыл бұрын
Wow... Just finished watching part one and I'm immediately gonna watch part two
@snkeveryday6240
2 жыл бұрын
Cool, Vamp, hope you enjoy.
@overpricedsundown
2 жыл бұрын
Fist of the north star , yu yu hakasho and inuyasha are my favorite animes.
@rza884
6 жыл бұрын
honestly I wish I can use all those evil laugh as a ringtone
@TorikoManga218
4 жыл бұрын
I would to, as well, honestly.
@marcushamner5994
2 жыл бұрын
Akira Kamiya is a legend. Kenshiro and Ryo is like Ace Ventura and the Mask. They are played by the same actor. Jim Carrey played by Ace and Stanley Ipkiss/ The Mask too.
@marioionion2
3 жыл бұрын
This video is 6 years ago? Wow
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe I know. The world was a different place then...
@marioionion2
3 жыл бұрын
@@snkeveryday6240 Yes man, it was good
@chairmanzia3556
6 жыл бұрын
Man I gotta give it ya. I love this due culture similarity as I am Chinese. For a westerner to have this level of understanding, u have truly mastered the ancient art.
@snkeveryday6240
6 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated Roo. It did take a long time and a lot of digging but it was well worth it. One of these days though, I truly need to get serious about the study of Chinese history. Are you a fan of the Dao Deh Ching? It is one of the central books for me of philosophy.
@jacksonvega7751
2 жыл бұрын
I love the aesthetics of 70s/80s animation, few modern anime live up to earlier standards, I presume this is due to the hand drawn nature of earlier anime. Any recs for weird n violent old anime ? Or worthy modern anime? ( Dorohedoro was the most recent thing I really enjoyed)
@snkeveryday6240
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for late reply. If you like FOTNS, then you'd probably like SAKIGAKE OTOKO JUKU because it has a lot of the same cast and animators etc. My personal favorite is Record of Lodoss War.
@sevenstarsfitness
4 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done - great insights and overview to a powerful anime that stands the test of time.
@deihorus7927
Жыл бұрын
This is the most underrated anime in the west!
@wscroggins6289
2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY what I was looking for. Thanks for all the hard work on this!
@snkeveryday6240
2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Scroggins. Glad you liked
@conradojavier7547
3 жыл бұрын
I would like a Manga Accurate Remake of FOTNS with David Productions Behind it.
@mateokovac2642
3 жыл бұрын
That would be a dream come true.
@29_firdausayanuar88
2 жыл бұрын
And also if able fist of the blue sky too
@vegetafan9922
5 жыл бұрын
A guy who punches people so hard and so much in their pressure points that they just explode...that's what got me into manga and I fucking love it!!!
@turtleanton6539
Жыл бұрын
It is so cool
@GothamKnight84661
9 жыл бұрын
Epic retrospective video of Fist of the North star.
@snkeveryday6240
9 жыл бұрын
+TheWarriorBatReturns Much appreciated. I am glad you enjoyed.
@Ashenheart777
5 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic and well structured and scripted retrospective that helped me remember quite a few things I’d forgotten over the years. Will definitely be watching the other parts!
@ComicWriter-ml3qt
5 жыл бұрын
After my second day playing fist of the North Star lost paradise, I wanted to see what the story was. So thank you for this video which based off of the length, I’m sure will go into detail about the story, characters, etc.
@SpScarletSpider
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely suggest watching the series or reading the manga if you can, also. There's a certain sense of wonder you get from watching it; it's incredibly over the top, but it has some really heart-wrenching stuff as well. Even the latter half of the manga and anime which has a timeskip is filled with some great stuff.
@conradojavier7547
3 жыл бұрын
I see Hulk Hogan as a Failed Hokuto Shinken Student, since his Fingerpoke only Paralyzed Kevin Nash in a few Seconds.
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha!Yeah, and his head didn't explode or anything...
@origaminefretami3480
3 жыл бұрын
@@snkeveryday6240 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
@@origaminefretami3480 Once again ... manly tears fall...
@callumbrowns
4 жыл бұрын
Bruce Lee in a Anime form!, We need more Martial Arts heroes based on retro kung fu movies in Anime!
@gonkdroidincarnate4237
3 жыл бұрын
*an anime
@madpaladin305
7 ай бұрын
Man I stumbled on this retrospective by accident and what a treat, you did a fantastic job of explaining everything and it was so on point that people doing this kind of videos should take notes well done my man!
@Maximus4587
6 жыл бұрын
40:51 Ummm, Mr. Heart was actually voiced by Shōzō Iizuka, who's better known as the voice of Nappa in _Dragon Ball Z_ (though Takiguchi did actually voice Mr. Heart in the 1986 feature-length film adaptation).
@richardmolloy6064
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, great video
@danielmyers1255
Жыл бұрын
Fist of the north star is goated and so is Kenshiro my favourite anime hero
@TorikoManga218
4 жыл бұрын
I honestly have a love/hate take on Raoh, he is a very solid character, but he is also absolutely crazy.
@descendancedenoefilsdadam1028
Жыл бұрын
Just discovered your work amazing.
@JDAlvo93
9 жыл бұрын
This is awesome
@snkeveryday6240
9 жыл бұрын
Ryuu, Son of Raoh Like that name and avatar. Much appreciated, glad you enjoyed.
@Haispawner
5 жыл бұрын
Vitun hyvä.
@Theshadowcar
6 жыл бұрын
I am 37 and keep watching fist of the north star with my kids
@justabeardedguythatisahero9848
3 жыл бұрын
They have a lucky father
@hackett152332
3 жыл бұрын
Love the channel and the show, binge watching all your videos lol
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Enjoy!
@hackett152332
3 жыл бұрын
Just a quick question, do you know if all the south star generals met at some point? Did Shin ever meet Souther for example?
@seasonembrace3624
4 жыл бұрын
This tv series is a classic and I wish the dub was more available oh well and always enjoy watching these videos
@GraceFaithDad
4 жыл бұрын
Great video, looking forward to the rest of the series!
@tonilarios
6 жыл бұрын
wow, what a great job on this video. Damn!
@snkeveryday6240
6 жыл бұрын
Didn't see this comment at first so sorry for the delay. Much appreciated Toni, I hope you enjoyed!
@Vandita3344
6 жыл бұрын
This was a very informative video, love the series since a kid .
@fineartattack5006
3 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic. What is the intro music please!
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Check the comment threads below and you can find it. I forgot the name off the top of my head.
@unparalleledaesthetics7346
10 ай бұрын
Hokuto no Ken The road of lords
@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69
7 жыл бұрын
Souther is one of my favorite examples of the Sympathetic Monster kid of character. On the flip side, Louise from Familiar of Zero is someone who I wish had her head exploded by Kenshiro.
@ramonantoniobennett-ryuuke6301
6 жыл бұрын
Avalos Altair Miraos.
@TorikoManga218
4 жыл бұрын
Souther is my absolute favorite villain in FOTNS.
@CRITTERBUSTERS
10 жыл бұрын
An Amazing Retrospective dude :) FOTNS is one of my all time favourite anime/manga series, and I think you have covered just about everything so far, i look forward to the following parts.
@snkeveryday6240
10 жыл бұрын
Thanks Critterbusters. Once you get through with part 4, take a look at the vlog Fist of the North Star Vlog 1, " F--- you, Juuza!" and leave a comment if you would be so kind, I am trying to collect some fan feedback that I can use in upcoming videos. Thanks again
@snkeveryday6240
9 жыл бұрын
Christopher Washington Did you get the regular sized manga version or the larger tankobon? I prefer the larger because it was a little easier to read and you only have to buy 12 to get the whole series.
@Shadowrulzalways
9 жыл бұрын
+CRITTERBUSTERS It's a Shonen Jump classic and my all time favorite.
@imreplyingtothiscomment2378
5 жыл бұрын
Can't believe i just discovered this
@CloakandDagger77
7 жыл бұрын
I'm totally subscribed and watching this whole retrospective I loved it! Could you do a video where you examine the Animation and Character Designs? I always felt like the attention to detail in Fist of the North Star was a lost art. Especially in the 1986 movie, even though the movie repeats so many events from the series it's still beautiful. Hope you don't hate that film lol!
@snkeveryday6240
7 жыл бұрын
Hey CloakandDagger77, thanks for the comments and I'm glad you appreciated it. I am still going to roll on with the series and finish it, but if you saw all my vlogs and such you might know it probably will take a long time. Hopefully the wait isn't such a drag but it is what it is. Looking forward to hearing what you think about the other parts. And yes, the attention to detail and general look of the characters would be a nice point to expound on in the last part (part 8).
@hamidrahman120
2 жыл бұрын
The movie is epic! Better than the series...
@InTheMindOfDavid
2 жыл бұрын
I hadn’t heard of Fist of the North Star until the PS4 game Lost Paradise launched. I kinda though it was gonna be a lot like Dynasty Warriors games. Which would been fine but, I passed it up. Then I found out it’s actually essentially a lot like a Yakuza game made by the same studio that makes Yakuza. Started playing it and I’m so glad I bought it. I love how it’s essentially like as if Mad Max and Yakuza had a baby and just so the top and batshit insane it is. Highly recommend it.
@keypath4389
2 жыл бұрын
Damn... How come i never stumble upon this video
@snkeveryday6240
2 жыл бұрын
Well, glad you got here eventually.
@lamiamekni2802
Жыл бұрын
TBH, Lin and Kenshiro's "special bond" didn't feel like a special bond, it's basically the anime's way of reminding the viewers that Lin has a liking for Kenshiro
@livingtoaster1358
4 жыл бұрын
My favorite part was the dude was checking the haystack...
@willdiesel8431
2 жыл бұрын
Well done. Love this series but it's hard to find the completed story as scans.
@lamiamekni2802
Жыл бұрын
9:42 and that's what Hokuto (北斗) actually translates to: "Big Dipper", not "North Star" 10:18 and that's what Nanto (南斗) translates to: "South Dipper", not "South Star"
@markrasta9046
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video man
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark!
@flaviozx2395
7 жыл бұрын
Raoh wanting to pears the heavens reminds me of Kaminas speech and poses 18:42
@MrBroken030
8 жыл бұрын
Great channel, awesome retrospective, subbed!
@snkeveryday6240
8 жыл бұрын
You da man, MrBroken! Hope you enjoyed!
@BradLad56
3 жыл бұрын
30:02 lmao I cracked out at that.
@artansadiki3244
5 ай бұрын
This deserves a million views wtf
@ravinderpalsingh7729
11 ай бұрын
Excellent video
@doug8798
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome Review one of the best reviews of the Original FONS Anime, even better than the Anime Hero's Awesome review/retrospective.
@snkeveryday6240
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Douglas! Glad you enjoyed. Anime HERO is also a sub and I am a fan of his as well!
@thepeanutgallery6100
Жыл бұрын
I know we seen some of their backstories but I'd love to see a series of Fist Of The North Star set before the world became a nuclear wasteland and to see how Ken and Shin grew up and how he met Yuria. I also have a question does anyone else think that maybe due to atomic radiation is the reason that their powers are so amplified that it makes them capable of accomplishing feats such as cutting someone in half with their finger or making someone's head explode just by punching them.
@turtleanton6539
Жыл бұрын
I really think so😊
@realamericannegro977
3 жыл бұрын
I peep how World War Hulk copies Roah. He even resembles Roah to a degree.
@snkeveryday6240
3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't know. Hope this doesn't cause any rifts between us or anything but I am much more of a DC guy than Marvel.
@realamericannegro977
3 жыл бұрын
@@snkeveryday6240 At this time I feel DC has been crushing Marvel in the comics in the past 10 years. Especially after Disney got Marvel. I like one more than the other at different points
@livingtoaster1358
4 жыл бұрын
correction Toki has been stated to actually be the strongest it was only because of the illness that made him weaker
@ottoman7017
5 жыл бұрын
man such a great video thanks.
@snkeveryday6240
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ottoman. Glad you liked.
@ricHarder
3 жыл бұрын
very good video great work
@artemiswillow6148
6 жыл бұрын
29:52 That scene was funny asf.
@sandeepathwal4188
5 жыл бұрын
Man cracked a diamond in his finger, C'mon Son take note....broke it 2 a thousand pieces in his finger, that pure carbon a real diamond 4 crying out loud!
@wakroyds9482
8 жыл бұрын
with the amount of praise and popularity three of the four hokuto brothers have. I wonder if any one likes jagi though i dought it oh well...it such a shame hes often off of many radars since hes so secluded in shadows i guess .
@snkeveryday6240
8 жыл бұрын
+Wak Royds Well believe it or not, he is Buronson's favorite character. Stay tuned because I should have part 6 up in about a week or so and then I will do vlog #2 where I will talk about it some more and maybe show that video. Thanks for watching!
@wakroyds9482
8 жыл бұрын
jolly goody good!
@gruntpocalypsenow
8 жыл бұрын
Jagi is easily my favorite character, and despite having such a small appearance I think he's actually a fan-favorite.
@wakroyds9482
8 жыл бұрын
+gruntpocalypsenow yeah iv been noticing that
@lamiamekni2802
Жыл бұрын
Hokuto Hyakuretsuken (北斗百裂拳) means "Hundred Rending Fists of the Big Dipper"
@ricosalvaje8131
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I subbed.
@snkeveryday6240
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rico!
@lamiamekni2802
Жыл бұрын
My new names for the most well-known characters: Kenshiro - Li Feng Raoh - Liu Toki - Zhao Jagi - Cao Yunshan Shin - Qin Rei - Lei Yuria - Yao Sui
@mrpzpdx
5 жыл бұрын
Amazing thank you!
@snkeveryday6240
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it (can't pronounce your name.. haha)
@fergusmckee
4 жыл бұрын
Very very good appreciate your efforts
@thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527
10 ай бұрын
My favourite Fist of the North Star reference is in Project A-Ko 1985
@Ayahuasca98
3 жыл бұрын
Hey I think violence jack inspired mad max, which in turn inspired hnk. Just an interesting thought.
@hernandezjohn2000
5 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this very much...
@snkeveryday6240
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks John. Check out the rest. I am going to try and re-edit part 2 to get it back on youtube. Glad you enjoyed it!
@dyotoorion1835
Жыл бұрын
Good vid. Cheers! :-)
@bkh3218
Жыл бұрын
very well done retrospective!! i'll say this. the concept of Hokuto No Ken (Fist of the North Star) is cool. But the original series does NOT translate well for American audiences. It was meant for a japanese audience. I feel the 1986 compilation re-telling movie version is the better cooler version of the story. the tv series plays like a Rated R dragonball Z that at times is convoluted and unitentionally funny/goofy due to its absurdity. for example the convulted story of Ken and his brothers, In the Ken / Shin rematch episode. Yuria is watching the battle and Shin seemingly murders her - then Ken realizes that its a not Yuria but a Mannqeuinn ?? Again. goofy & weird. Then Shin reveals that Yuria had died after commiting suicide. Then near the end of the series Yuria is revealed to be alive as a martal arts master king?? its just a weird series. In the film version she plays the damsel in distress that men fight over. simple. I feel the best versions of Hokuto No Ken story are (The 1986 animated film) and live action version from the '90s starring Gary Daniels and the recent PS4 role playing fighting game known as 'Lost Paradise' - the original series is just too weird but i respect it as the original. but i tried to watch the original series just as a fan. and guess what i laughed and then i feel asleep from boredom. good video though. thanks for doing this.
@Haispawner
5 жыл бұрын
What the hell is going on with Raoh's skin colour? When he's a kid it's light, as a teen it's definetly brown, and as an adult it fluctuates from light brown to really dark. Is it radiation that mutated his skin when the nuclear war started?
@RandemFellow
5 жыл бұрын
He got tanned af
@Haispawner
5 жыл бұрын
@@RandemFellow More like magic tan.
@LowellLucasJr.
6 жыл бұрын
Without the awe inspiring story of Fist of the North star...Shown Jump wouldn't be the same....Dragon Ball could be vastly different...there wouldn't be a lot of Tough manga characters.... HELLthere wouldn't be any Jostar clan...or DIO for that matter!
@turtleanton6539
Жыл бұрын
Or berserk
@InTheMindOfDavid
8 ай бұрын
@27:19 That scene with the non-violent villager is also more a commentary on the morality of Pacifism. Pacifism can only work if both opposing forces are committed to the ideal of pacifism. The immorality is in choosing non-violence in the face face of violence, and it’s inability to protect others from violent threats. Thus pacifism costs more lives than it saves. Pacifism is a willingness to sacrifice the life of the individual or group in the pursuit of upholding an ideal rather than actually doing the right thing and protect other and preventing injury or death.
@MySurfBoard
Жыл бұрын
I recently read the new Manga and am now just watching the original anime and videogame clips. I really enjoy this story about revenge, redemption and brotherhood. I grew up watching anime but never saw this one on TV nor bootleg. It has some nuances of street fighter, which is spooky. It also reminds me of Akira in that Ken and his creators are warring with each other. Bottomline ive seen alot of animes and this one js epic, timeless and classic. One Piece creators definitely stole some of the character stylings from it. Peace and love. ✌️♥ 💥👊💨
@Ayahuasca98
3 жыл бұрын
My first anime.
@lamiamekni2802
Жыл бұрын
32:48 exactly what I think, specifically with girls
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