iracing is great, but the business model is atrocious. The monthly subscription on top of having to buy cars and tracks is absurd.
@loic8669
5 жыл бұрын
To get high fidelity like they produce it’s not. Look at codemaster releasing the same basic F1 game every year and charging 80$. They’re cars are Arcady and dont even have laser scanned track. I know you’ve heard this before, but somebody who does karting, iracing pricing is totally worth it for what you get, a high fidelity sim with the best online competitive mode
@alexsp7086
5 жыл бұрын
yeah its ridiculous i will never touch this, people that constantly pay for this are kinda needing help :)) well done iRacing you cater to the masses are asses addicts :))
@NicolaosSoldal
5 жыл бұрын
@@alexsp7086 so have you heard of a game called WoW? with $70 worth if DLC's every couple of years? I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure a couple of people pay $10-15 for that every month :P hehe
@oxysz
4 жыл бұрын
ThefkinSloth new to actual sims , I got them all this week. Just started iracing and he’s right it is absurd. Fine do it how you do but they need to make shit better . The audio settings don’t even work and the menus look like they are from 2002. It’s a great game but the way you have to buy each car and track is a bit much. They make more than enough money than to charge what they charge . And f1 is only 60$ btw
@oxysz
4 жыл бұрын
Well not all but iracing , acc, ac, race room, pc2, dirt rally . (Played all the dirts but never on wheel) Only reason I’m continuing on iracing is because of the progression. I love ACC but there is no point.. I win a race and nothing no ranks no stars. When I get my ps4 back I’m going to play some gt sport, I love that they have the ranking and what not . For me I need that to be happy to keep playing to feel a purpose
@cerberus6t4
7 жыл бұрын
the fanbase calling everything not iRacing an arcade game
@mesfigas
6 жыл бұрын
Fanbase aka fanbois are the blindest ppl in racing hystory.
@curtyos
5 жыл бұрын
@@mesfigas no i believe Stevie wonder still takes that cake
@reviewforthetube6485
5 жыл бұрын
Ridiculous
@M4rkV3n0m
4 жыл бұрын
Well it is the only serious online racing series really. Bound to breed some elitist morons, right?
@pedrosilvaproductions
4 жыл бұрын
@@M4rkV3n0m it isnt the only serious one. Its the only one that has the licence implemented. The other ones are all through third party leagues
@SabNik
7 жыл бұрын
In my first oval race I managed to spin my car in the formation lap and hit someone. I felt so bad after that, especially because everyone was shouting at me
@GamerMuscleVideos
7 жыл бұрын
If you had any pride and took iracing as seriously as you are meant to you would have committed Seppuku on the spot.
@EddoWagt
7 жыл бұрын
GamerMuscleVideos *sudoku
@yesthatenzo
7 жыл бұрын
Google what those mean haha
@EddoWagt
7 жыл бұрын
enzoferrarimendoza sudoku is an ancient way of commiting suicide to restore your spirits or whatever, by stabbing yourself in the guts with a sword. Seppuku on the other hand is just a puzzle game :p
@snowjix
7 жыл бұрын
Edgar Wagt You got that all backwards.
@fishfishing5782
7 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to do some legit stock car online racing but paying for everything is such bs that i will just stick to ac. Got the game+all dlc for less than iracing's 1 year membership
@slick2000tiscali
7 жыл бұрын
and you NEVER know how good and extensive is the multiplayer
@Threefiddyz
7 жыл бұрын
you're missing out. i've spent maybe $250 on iracing in last 4 years. I play exactly what I pay for and that money over 4+ years now isn't bad at all considering most people pay $60 for a game that is 6hrs long.
@sevenstrings7eve
7 жыл бұрын
To counter those guys just install SRS in AC. After spending hundreds on iRacing over a number of years I gave it up with no regrets. You can find multiplayer as good and better outside of iRacing. I already have a ton of content on iRacing so if I go back it would mainly be the subscription cost for me and I still don't see that as worth paying for anymore.
@patchedupdemon7104
7 жыл бұрын
the forum is off limits to none members for one reason only,the forums are awash with justified complaints and iracing do not want potential customers to know that the dynamic weather is anything but dynamic,actually just random static weather,the tyre still doesn't act like anything resembling real life,dynamic track doesn't work at all,and makes no difference to the race session,the ffb is very numb lifeless and uninformative,and above all they dont want people knowing how they let the fanboys get away on a weekly bases of telling those who point out these huge issues to go play in traffic,call you all the names under the sun,and all form a lynch mob and cuss you out for pages after pages. iracing have some shady attitude to the busssiness ethics and ive decided to not resub due to the mountain of issues the game has,and baring top split,the racing is actually piss poor
@adrianstealth340
7 жыл бұрын
one should be able to use purchased content offline without subscription, subscription should be for multiplayer access & use of the free content only
@TehMasterofownage
7 жыл бұрын
Hey at 0:36 it says GIRD instead of GRID Time to remake and re-upload the whole video
@GamerMuscleVideos
7 жыл бұрын
+FrothyBumSqueeze got to format the c drive now !
@kylewhite2985
7 жыл бұрын
Oh man! That is totally gonna forever be etched in the annals of the internets.
@anonamos225
7 жыл бұрын
GamerMuscleVideos Need to buy a new setup
@unmistakablyfunny7956
5 жыл бұрын
that name is exquisite
@mat2000100
7 жыл бұрын
iRacing's physics look like they came from NR2003. In fact this is based on NR2003. (David Kaemmer bought the NR2003 code from Sierra and made iRacing with it)
@brin57
5 жыл бұрын
Actually you are partially correct, only in that is how it started. Now it is a new engine, re-written from the ground up.
@maranello55
7 жыл бұрын
iRacing is like Starbucks. Everyone is there coz everyone is there. And theyve been made to believe the coffee is the best coz of the price they paid Murican
@mro9466
7 жыл бұрын
it's that or sub-part rf2 mods that might as well be on rf1. i'll take starbucks for the moment.
@MooCreation
7 жыл бұрын
lol at your username and comment. The Starbucks is still far better than a hipster cafe that opens 2 hours for the day only and no one drinks there but the hipsters xD
@SureGamer1
6 жыл бұрын
that's a very poor reference. Liken it more to the NFL and the CFL. iRacing is the NFL and the other sims are the CFL. Every proper athlete is in the NFL because that's where the competition is and all the others end up in the CFL. Your star bucks reference tells that everybody is there which causes more people to want to be there but doesn't explain why everybody was there in the first place.
@pepeiann
6 жыл бұрын
But what about ........DUNCIN DONUTS
@SeanCampbell_iRacing
4 жыл бұрын
I’m 2 years late but BRUHS we all sin race Can’t we just be chill and say “hey you simrace too?”
@_pjd
7 жыл бұрын
Ridiculous pricing for what they offer. Cancelled my subs.
@DannyRhym3z
7 жыл бұрын
The fact that the multiplayer system and playerbase is so far and beyond other sims alone is enough for me to warrant the price, until something similar comes along, or SRS takes off. Right now you can't get the experience anywhere else unfortunately. Edit. I just noticed your specs and noticed your running reduced graphics with VR. With that setup i am surprised you cant max the game out, even when recording. I didnt realise until a few days ago that unlocking the framerate limit in the gfx setting in iRacing gave me at least another 50 frames per second consistantly. If you havent tried it yet, do it.
@krzysztofmajda2386
5 жыл бұрын
It can be literally 50 times more expensive than AC ultimate on sale + SRS (if someone wants to buy all content in iRacing). Although I could theoretically easily afford it , I think it’s just a ripoff. Ac has quality cars and also mostly laser scanned tracks.
@lakaiskates8064
4 жыл бұрын
@@krzysztofmajda2386 But why would you spend money on cars and tracks you have no intentions of using? I do road racing and oval racing and have yet to break the bank. I love AC but when using VR, iRacing absolutely blows it out of the water. AC feels pretty janky and outdated in VR to be honest. I've been playing AC for years now and have never felt the amount of competition I feel in any given iRacing race either. Still play AC for track days and practice but I couldn't be bothered to get into a race with half the field being hot garbage anymore.
@leicfoxUK
7 жыл бұрын
By far my favourite racing sim but... just too expensive for how many races I do a year. On average I do 20-50 races. I own a lot of paid for content and cars but now no longer renew as the subscription for how much I use the service is simply ridiculous for how much I get to use it. Needs a sliding scale for how much you use it or something.
@suntoritime
7 жыл бұрын
Stephen Boot There is a sliding scale. You get iracing credits based on participation. The more you race the cheaper it is.
@leicfoxUK
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but I don't ever earn any with only doing such a small number of races spread over a year. You need to compete regularly in a series over a season. Therefore I end up paying 80 odd quid which is not value for money. I meant it needs a sliding scale that is affordable for people who unfortunately have little time to race that scales upwards the more race. No idea how they could make it work - just means I no longer use iRacing as for me personally it's way too expensive.
@leicfoxUK
7 жыл бұрын
Only if the AI can actually drive this time, half the time they couldn't even get round the first corner! Plus I race in VR and Project Cars 1 didn't run well without it set to low graphics. Hopefully 2 is better optimised.
@leicfoxUK
7 жыл бұрын
Here's hoping!
@slavke03
6 жыл бұрын
People come to my stream and ask if they should get iracing. I tell them if you are willing to race it a lot then its worth the money. If you will join a race occasionally like once-twice a month then forget it.
@DanHaneveer
7 жыл бұрын
Haha awesome, you were racing me.
@blownfuse2131
7 жыл бұрын
about point number 2. I actually think you're on to something. the price is a deterrent. but maybe on purpose. so that every 10 year old kid and their grandma isnt gridding up. If you pay that much money on iracing, ( and i have all the road content) you are probably pretty into simracing and are more likely to take each race seriously. worth the price. if a few hundred is out of the question for good racing. you dont know the cost of racing. you can also try iracing out for less than 12 bucks, i usually find the 3 month 5 dollar codes to send to my friends. I get a kickback, and they get to try out the sim for next to nothing. So you can decide if its worth it for you. great video man!
@daltonbedore8396
7 жыл бұрын
BlownFuse thats absolutely true
@kylewhite2985
7 жыл бұрын
I certainly know the high costs of Real Racing but i really don't know the high costs on Pretend Racing... What's next, you need real sponsors for Fantasy Baseball?
@blownfuse2131
7 жыл бұрын
if in sim racing we picked drivers and sat on our ass and bet money. I would see your point. You need to get a rig man. Come have a blast. Its definitely REAL racing. you are REAL-LY Racing other people head to head. and your skill will determine the victory. the smile on my face is real the sweat on every part of my body is real. and that shaking after a race. especially a close one. and the clenching of the buttox hole, is some of the most real shit ever. but please dont shit ffs the best part is im done buying my equipment, sim racing is simply the cost of my internet bill now.
@hammer86_
7 жыл бұрын
You don't need a hefty buy-in to ensure good racing. You just need a good ranking system.
@kylewhite2985
7 жыл бұрын
Hey hey hey, chill out, I have my rig, I have my iRenting license (inactive atm), and i have the sweating the shaking and all the gibbie dibbies too. I also do Flight and Space simulation, all the same, spent on my rig, get the gibbies, but i don't need a subscription to NASA nor do i need to pay the FAA or airport fees or whatever for my Pretend Flying. Same applies to sim racing, i pay for my machine, i pay for my rig, and the software, why should i pay for pretend cars and pretend league monthly subscriptions? Hey, i get it bro, i'm just taking the piss out of iRenting.
@richardbagshaw929
7 жыл бұрын
I've been playing iRacing for so long now, and I recently setup AC, you're right, I cannot get the feeling I wanted in iRacing but I can feel these details in AC a lot better. I am not certain on this, but I am sure that in AC you can feel a flat spotted tyre as well, iRacing you just can't feel that, nor when you're about to lose grip, it seems to be all reliant on the tyre audio.
@alexportugal1212
7 жыл бұрын
Brush your teeth before mentioning Iracing...
@GamerMuscleVideos
7 жыл бұрын
Is this a anti British joke ? Or do I just not get it lol ?
@KKmaddafakka
7 жыл бұрын
Anti british joke lol?
@Yozzeus
6 жыл бұрын
No only a rude joke .
@78SPLINTER
7 жыл бұрын
i leave Iracing for the cost, its too much to buy cars and tracks...
@ediazcalvo
7 жыл бұрын
I don't like how tyre temperatures work. Unpredictable, not logic.
@TJRSIM
7 жыл бұрын
Another good video. I like the idea of iracing and went gun ho when I first got it 3years ago, but like you I like to sleep around with other sims. :) What I find is other sims like RF2 have superior FFB and physics over iracing. RF2 is a game I can put down for months and come back to it and still be decently fast with it. I attribute this to the feedback you get always feeling what your tires are doing. When you spin out in RF2 you know what you did wrong. I can't say that with iracing. If Iracing had the tire models and natural feeling feedback that Rfactor 2 has I would be all over it all the time. Also I feel they need a Ai mode that I can pick up races and learn my car in racing situations. I know there is a ghost mode, but that's different and doesn't teach people how to handle slight rubs etc.. from other racers. Oh and yeah it's expensive and they need a free rental car mode so I can try out a car before buying it.
@FordEntertainmentGroupFEG
6 жыл бұрын
I have to kindly disagree with most of your opinion on iRacing. Of course everyone is different so other view such as yours are valid as well. But here is my take on iRacing. First point on it being expensive.....its not. Not anymore than any other HOBBY out there. If you treat it as a video game then yes, its more expensive than a video game (but more on that later). The point about iRacing is this isn't nor was ever created to be a video game for the masses like...well video games. This was created for the hardcore hobbyist. If you view this as a hobby, WHICH MOST OF US DO AND WHY EVEN STREAMS like your own are so huge, then iRacing in fact is a VERY CHEAP hobby. But for little timmy going to gamester or whatever your local video game store is then yes, to him, its expensive. Next point, buying the cars and tracks you want. I would say that its not really expensive...think about how many cars and tracks you run predominantly. For most of us at iRacing we run mostly Oval or mostly Road. So in reality your not spending "Hundreds" on content. Thats the reality, you dont need every track and car...you will find a few that you prefer and then go with it. Furthermore, on pricing. It really isn't that expensive. I have actually done the math for my 8 year career in iRacing. It breaks down to have spending 814.00 in content and subscription fees. Thats roughly 100.00 a year. SO basically a game and a half a year. Too expensive? Nah, i think not. I do not run much road, but do have all the oval content and maybe half the road content. So i think this narrative that iRacing is expensive is not really true. You can earn 40.00 a year in participation credits as well...so that can be put towards content OR subscription fees. So thats my take on the pricing...its not expensive. For FFB. Its all in how your stuff is setup. I have an OSW like yourself. The feedback is amazing. But it takes a little tinkering. If you haven't gotten the newest firmware, do yourself a favor and get it. I can feel the tires flex when cornering (not saying the other sims are bad, just that iRacing is exceptional) But FFB is very much a personal opinion/like type thing. So really can't argue that at all as everyone is different. Some like blonds, some like redheads etc. As far as overall package...no other sim has the total package. Its just far and away the best experience on track and off and definitely with competition. Again...iRacing was made for the hobbyist....and in that regard its neither expensive nor terrible pricing model. Buy what you want. I respect others opinions and were all going to look at things different. Thats just my take on it all. But factually speaking, their pricing is about like buying less than 2 regular video games a year. Thats what it has averaged out to for me, who owns all oval content and half of road content. Not bad....
@raymhuang
7 жыл бұрын
1x, 2x's is what drives me nuts. I understand the reason, but I used to put a wheel off on real tracks and didn't gain advantage to b ever be protested. Cut track, sure, but iRacing is ridiculous.
@wobblyrampack9655
7 жыл бұрын
That's a big part of why I left iRacing after 2 years. I spent most my energy trying not to go off-track. Wasn't enjoyable.
@mro9466
7 жыл бұрын
"looks like you've put 1 mm on the grass, we'll have to give you a 3 seconds slow down penalty ... ho wait you did that 10 meters before the starting line, woops ! line crossed ? black flag it is i guess ..."
@MooCreation
7 жыл бұрын
Generally good drivers don't have the problem which means you could be part of the problem
@gamestv4875
5 жыл бұрын
Iexpensive Rfactor 2 is the bomb right now. Better physics , better cars , mods galore. Iracing can go "Irace" themselves.
@Adventurist
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning the ffb. I though it was just me, I bet I wasted 10+hours of my life finding decent ffb settings for iracing and it still feels like shit.
@iseeq72
6 жыл бұрын
irffb + vjoy and your problems are solved... complete different feel
@lawyer4ever
7 жыл бұрын
Good analysis James, I only disagree with your last comment about the attitude of iRacers. I do not think iRacers are any different than other hardcore gamers. You can look in the forums for Project CARS, Assetto Corsa, Raceroom Experience, etc. and find the same level of passion and to some extent, arrogance. That being said, there are many iRacers, myself included, who play other sim racing games (Assetto Corsa, Raceroom, rFactor 2, AMS), simcade games (Project CARS, Forza, Gran Turismo), arcade racing games (NFS, The Crew, etc.) and non-racing games. There are even sub-forums in iRacing set up for many of those games, and they are well populated.
@GamerMuscleVideos
7 жыл бұрын
I agree ! You have similar community issues with all games, my main gripe with iRacing is the forum being behind paywall and that then isolating it from other communities and then the assumption that just because its more expensive its more "real".
@kaiying74
7 жыл бұрын
Value for money was the issue for me. I was subscribed for over 3 years, paid hundreds of dollars in cars, tracks & subscriptions. It occurred to me that the base game, what the sub pays for, hadn't improved or evolved in the 3 years I was subbed. Short of the DX11 update and minor BoP or tyre model changes the game hadn't progressed. No new features in the core game that are missing from something that claims to be the premier simulation on the market: No tyre compunds, no realtime weather changes, no precipitation, no day/night transition, bugged Endurance races. These are the things that should be getting developed for the subscription cost, however they only care about pumping out the new cars and tracks to get the DLC money.
@xX_Gravity_Xx
7 жыл бұрын
Back when I was still capable of using iRacing, the FFB gave me a few bones to pick as well. ESPEACIALLY in the SLM. After being back in rFactor and using LeoFFB, I am kind of... shocked. Although, I'm surprised at all of the current sims for that matter. AMS, AC, and rF2 all feel slightly lacking somehow. rF2 being my pick of the day, when you push the car past it's grip level, the wheel doesn't really communicate that very well, whereas with Leo, I can feel it a little more clearly. At least you could feel it at all though, iRacing just says "F* it, figure it out your own d*mn self".
@cgrguymike
7 жыл бұрын
Finally! I thought I was the only one that thought iracing has some of the worst FFB of all the sim titles. I couldn't agree with your more! Come on iracing, fix it already!!!
@carlossilva-fh1ng
7 жыл бұрын
"Sim racing system" the iRacing for assetto corsa..... for free!!!!
@adrianstealth340
7 жыл бұрын
one should be able to use purchased content offline without subscription, subscription should be for multiplayer access & use of the free content only
@xandermcn500
7 жыл бұрын
Wish assetto had voice chat especially when racing in srs. :)
@jamalghandour8650
7 жыл бұрын
Up to my knowledge, there is a discord channel you can use. I did not test it though.
@MultiMicii
7 жыл бұрын
There is a server for it in discord...just for srs and assetto corsa
@MooCreation
7 жыл бұрын
Well he means as "built-in" voice chat, huge difference.
@Jardier
7 жыл бұрын
Agree as always! :)
@shalahrahim4000
4 жыл бұрын
I love watching racing but don't seeing racing in Indianapolis, Indiana motorsport speedway I find it's boring plus it really me very so upset that nobody is interested in racing in Chicago motorsport Speedway in Joliet, Illinois it would be nice for a change
@djshivas
7 жыл бұрын
In bad things in iracing you can also add : Iracing got the worst ambiance sound ! The death are present everywhere on the track, like if you race in a fucking no man's land !
@renardsoro3829
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, many of the people who play iRacing are absolutely horrible people to deal with.
@AmariMaahes
7 жыл бұрын
To buy all the tracks in iracing It will run you over $378.73 plus $14.99 a month. Yea I quit iracing the next month.
@GamerMuscleVideos
7 жыл бұрын
+Endilecio cheaper than getting everything for train sim !
@haaxxx9
7 жыл бұрын
With that kind of money you could of spend it on a $200 - $300 wheel with a decent set of pedals follow by a simulator which is like, 60 dollars or less depending on the year and the game. Even RaceRoom had a better "DLC" than iRacing because you don't lose what you paid for! As for right now... That is just insane if you're going to spend that much money on a sim and still you don't even "own" it.
@suntoritime
7 жыл бұрын
Endilecio Why would you buy all the content at once?
@HighDefBNG
7 жыл бұрын
iRacing provides you with options. It is encouraging you to stick with one car and one seasons worth of tracks. No serious sim racer would want all the content. Some people only ever run one car on iRacing for years. If you want all the content then you are a casual sim racer and iRacing is not for you. It's a competition simulation not a game.
@Case_
7 жыл бұрын
Also add around 25 percent VAT if you live in the EU.
@artemouse2007
7 жыл бұрын
The pauses after the punchlines, waiting for the canned laughter that never came.... never came.... :D:D:D
@GamerMuscleVideos
7 жыл бұрын
+Laurie Britt the pause is the sound of me dying inside but by bit.
@Neil3D
7 жыл бұрын
So glad you mentioned the two stand out features that I've always thought about iRacing, the mirrors in VR is such a nice detail and is massively missed in other sims, and that FFB... that was enough to turn me off this game for a long time. All they need to do is implement understeer detection, that's it, let me know when the car is losing grip and it'll change the entire feel of the game. AC does it very well.
@andyainsworth1802
7 жыл бұрын
It was partly the crappy ffb in Iracing that made me give it up. Loved the oval racing. Shame ac can't give us a couple of ovals and a couple of cars to crash on them.
@ApexVGear
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent commentary GamerMuscle! Of all the things you said, I feel iRacing's force feedback is the BIGGEST issue for me (I was shaking my head "yes" with every word you spoke about it). I will certainly agree that parts of the FF are excellent (especially in the "middle"), but when you get to "the outside," to "edge of grip" it goes COMPLETELY LIMP (as well as there is no appropriate tire audio--which you didn't mention). There's practically nothing there--and that's the MOST IMPORTANT thing that "sells a simulator" as being "realistic." IT IS SEVERELY LACKING (or rather non-existent) in iRacing. That's why many real-world race car drivers aren't overly enthusiastic about iRacing. They usually say "it's pretty good," when they should be saying "it's awesome!" ...especially for what you pay, and the fact that almost everything else about iRacing is excellent. In the real world, I've raced karts as well as track-tuned cars, and pushed them to the limit--right at the edge of grip. What get's my adrenaline going, where I can "feel it in my teeth," is when I feel the wheel vibrate and "judder," and the tires start "speaking" to me. I LOVE it. Nailing the perfect line, and feeling and hearing that you're taking the car "right to the edge" is why I go to the track and race (and winning or posting the best lap time is also a bonus). Many of my other favorite simulators deliver something that's close to that sensation, and though it's not even close to the real thing, many of them deliver enough feedback at "edge of grip" that I get something from it. Even the "ancient" GTR2 does this quite well (though not as detailed as newer sims). I've talked to an iRacing representative in person about this issue. He said he understood my view, and does want to see that added in the future... but he said they absolutely WILL NOT "fudge" or "fake" this, like many other simulators do (as he claimed) to get it into iRacing. They want it to be as realistic as possible, and based on their physics engine and tire model. ...and until they work on it and perfect it, we won't be "feeling it" (and hearing it) in iRacing. When they do finally add this, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT feature, myself, as well as most other experienced drivers, will likely praise iRacing for the experience and sensations it delivers. Yes, you can spend hours in iRacing, and learn to adapt to "get around" this extreme deficit in its' FF and tire audio feedback at edge of grip, and you can win championship after championship... but for me, it just doesn't "do it for me." It's like being in a relationship with an incredible woman that constantly teases you, and gets you worked up, and when it's time to "really get with it," ...she suddenly just lays there, stiff as a board. Dead and unresponsive. You "reign things back" and she comes back to life and starts teasing again. iRacing's FF and tire audio at edge of traction... everything goes limp, and because I'm accustomed to "realistic" edge of grip feedback, I often over steer or plow cars off turns in iRacing. Yes, I can adapt... but why should I have to? I keep renewing my iRacing subscription, and usually buy new cars and tracks when they're available, and "test" it often, especially after an update. I believe that some day, when they finally add this missing feature, iRacing really will "deliver" and stop being such a "tease."
@domeshine69
7 жыл бұрын
As a long time iRacer, joined in April of 2011 and have been active the entire time, I wasn't angered at all by your analysis. You were elaborately concise and offered your reasoning for your opinions. Well done! iRacing is expensive, at first. But they do have ways you can make it much less expensive. First, There is always a deal for first-time iRacers. There are also great renewal deals available after your initial sub has finished. They come a couple times a year, Black Friday, and you can renew for a much lower price per year during those times. Second, don't buy tons of content right off the bat. You get enough free base content to run full seasons in the rookie cars, road and oval. Many of the cars are hardly driven by anyone, others have very specific times where enough drivers show up to make a race official. Even though the car may have races scheduled every other hour, around the clock, there may be only a very few which have enough drivers to count for anything. Other cars, like the Skip Barber, have races going official every hour of the day, usually with multiple splits. When grids are filled, drivers are split into smaller fields and placed on the grid in separate race sessions. The splitting is done by the drivers irating and aims to put more skilled and less skilled drivers in separate sessions to enhance competition. Third, you get a $5 credit each year on your anniversary. You can also earn a $10 credit every 12-week season by participating in official races. That is $45 each year toward your subscription renewal right there. They do charge for cars and tracks, but races are free. Unless you want to host something yourself, but even then the cost is very low to host and is free for those that join, which could be anyone, or only your mates. Fourth, the live, multiplayer racing, coupled with one of the better systems for dealing with intentional wreckers is really the best thing about iRacing. Fifth, and finally, I've subscribed to your channel.
@DjFIL007
7 жыл бұрын
I agree with pretty much all your points. It would be nice if they could find a happy balance with the subscription vs content licence fees. I want to restart my iRacing subscription... but until I can guarantee that I can play 4-5+ hours per week (focused only on iRacing), it's not worth me to renew my account (even with it's large volume of content I already owned before disconnecting after 2.5 years).
@crazyguyfive
7 жыл бұрын
The cause for "iRacing or no racing" is mostly the fact that there is no other online sim that offers a system similar to Counter Strikes ELO system. If you want to race the best, you need to become one of the best. I personally race plenty of other sims but I havnt found a Sim that can compete with iracing online format currently.
@Infigo96
7 жыл бұрын
I play iRacing because when I have time to play I want no fuzz and just jump in a quality race with other people and that is what iRacing is offering me. Sure I don't like the pay for all the content and a season pass for 1-2 classes, the car + the tracks for that whole season of that class would be nice. I try to play some assetto corsa once in a while but I have really hard to like the FFB, maybe some settings is wrong or I haven't grasped it but it makes it hard for me to go to other sims.
@seebarry4068
4 жыл бұрын
I have over 400 games in my steam library, I’ve a completion rate of 2%. Iracing is an absolute bargain as I actually play this.
@flakey414
7 жыл бұрын
I think iRacing could improve their pricing model in some way, or maybe keep it as it is but make every car free to practice with. That way new drivers will be able to know if something they are going to spend money on is actually worth their time, and it will resolve some issues with the paywall system. (I don't know if that's still an issue, but in the past you weren't able to watch replays with cars in that you don't own etc.). I don't really see how anyone could be against this, and i'm saying that as an owner of 100% of the road content. Just let people try every car as much as they like, on practice servers or alone, but if they want to race the car they will have to pay for it, because by the time they are comfortable to race they probably want to put more time into the car anyway. Same could probably be done with race track content.
@Crazysworld91
7 жыл бұрын
"Until we are at the bottom and everyone is confused adn there are a bunch of angry iracers" I am an iracer and I actually appreciate you pointing this out in the very beginning. Also I acknowledge it's flaws more than most people in the service... but it's just so fun. BTW i subscribed, although I disagree with some things, I think in general you are right about a lot of things, and overall a good critical opinion of a questionable service.
@JakePetrolhead
7 жыл бұрын
My experience was generally okay, but the cost was the main thing that made me stop. Also felt the community was divided in two - The most helpful people in the world, or toxic scum, and the latter far outweighed the former. On a more positive note, I did run into and finish second behind Alex Fontana, who at the time was a McLaren works GT driver!
@williamgraves8122
7 жыл бұрын
I won't lie: if I pay for iracing some day I'd probably buy into the elitist mentality a bit... then again I might just get bullied out of the game
@ArjanSchepers
7 жыл бұрын
Expensive? Try Train Simulator 2016 :P
@FoxiFyer
7 жыл бұрын
imo the perfect sim racing game is a combination of all of them, each sim game has its own strengths and weaknesses that set it apart from the others. rf2 has its advanced tire modeling, Assetto corsa has its ease of modability, AMS has its niche and unusual cars and tracks (we all get tired of the same ol' gt3 at monza deal, variety is very much needed) Iracing has its laser scanned tracks and a huge community, Project cars has incredible graphics as well as optomization, if we could take the best parts of every sim and put them into one game we'd never need another :P
@theeeMitchi
7 жыл бұрын
Totally true with the FFB. For some people, driving without the irFFB app is impossible (at least near the limit)
@darrenbell4898
7 жыл бұрын
do you run linier mode for FFB plus there are plenty of setting in the ini file you can get iracing feeling great. I find its fantastic
@sogyseal7962
5 жыл бұрын
I've been around the north track at VIR a LOT irl and this is crazy to watch. It's so accurate.
@richardbagshaw929
7 жыл бұрын
You should put a ticket in dude, they didn't capitalise your surname and that would drive me insane :D
@TMERUNNR
7 жыл бұрын
All Hail iracing, hurahaaa!!!! not really, I'm more into Raceroom DTM series. I agree with this Arousing video(see, I watched all 22min) I think other Sims have good offerings, I didn't build a $7000 iracing rig, but a SIM RACING RIG!!!! Yes, I too sleep around with other sims.....
@ChicknNudleSoup
7 жыл бұрын
I cannot stand racing against AI so iRacing is all I use. Over the last 2 1/2 years I've spent almost $1,000 US on content and subscription fees alone. Yes I know that's crazy. No I don't regret it. I've downloaded AC and RF2 but don't get much enjoyment out of either. I like drifting on AC every once in a while, and like the feel of RF2, but the clean wheel-to-wheel competition whenever you want has me sold. Example: kzitem.info/news/bejne/k6iVnYuObKN1rX4
@turbokid97
7 жыл бұрын
@GamerMuscleVideos Nailed it! Force feedback sucks. Pay for simulation, lag makes cars jumps all over the place. Yeah thats real... The damage model is just how you claim. Some one T bones you out of 1st place pushes you off track. Goes on to never pit with no damage and take the 1st place win. I do feel if you participate in one to two series a seaon to get your Iracing credits its the best value and you also become a better driver and more competitive. Then the other free (with paid subscription) series are a bonus. Eventually you build a track list and cross your fingers they use them next season lol. Theres no need to OWN everything in one month like all these people claim (not enought time to get good on them. Focus is king, Learn a car learn a track. Practice for next weeks race. You know like a real racer would.) I own many racing games and I haven't raced every single car and every single track on them even though I own them and im sure everyone that complains is on the same boat. What would I like to see fixed and worked on. 1. force feedback old simbin, race room, project cars, asseto corsa all have better force feedback. (AND LEAVE THIS VERSION IN THERE AS WELL! So that if its how you like it, you play like it is. But I would change my settings in a heartbeat. The problem is... There is no settings) 2. Lag making cars unreal, pulls you out of the immersion turning an expensive simulation into an arcade game. 3. damage model if you gonna charge me 4x for hitting or getting hit. Then work on your damage model then 4. Participation on low participation series. Let us rent one car free for a few races (4?) if we completed 8 races in another series the previous season. Test some thing out get people interested in it. DO SOMETHING we are already niche. Like you said they and many other DLCish games FRACTURE their own community. iracer.info/ iracer.info/ skippy average racers 1669 Grandprix legends average 28 Radicial C average 14 Your losing money right there iracing! I am not gonna purchase anything in those series, give us some damn INCENTIVES! Everyone justs Bandwagons into one series to get their moneys worth. I think they are doing something like focusing on one series to help out or some bull they annouced. Hopefully this will help. TLDR Iracing is cool Iracing needs help
@brtcobra
7 жыл бұрын
pricing is by far the worst oh and not being able to practice if your sub runs out.
@matthewhall2311
5 жыл бұрын
When iRacing has an official series with a car and 6-8 tracks I don’t have, I wish I could “rent” the series for $12-$15 and play them through the competition. I don’t mind the subscription and paying for some additional, but I cannot justify $50-$60+ for a set of tracks for a single tournament.
@flammenjc
7 жыл бұрын
I don't think the FFB is the problem with iRacing, I think it's the physics. Either way, on everything else you mentioned I think you nailed it. It's been known for too long that iRacing breeds a cult mentality, and you'd have to say, alot of that is do to the fact it's a straight up INVESTMENT with how much money you pour into it, nevermind the fact the forum [and to a big extent the community], are behind a paywall.
@jackarabbit_
5 жыл бұрын
I don’t think people understand why IRacing is expensive! Do you even know how much it is to scan a crap tons of tracks and cars?! Do you know how much it cost to license a car? Do you even know how much Pro drivers can win in the pro series? Also, GTA 5 cars are more expensive then IRacing! $30 for one super car on GTA 5! Think about it!!
@aeiouxs
6 жыл бұрын
It must just be me who's not big on iRacings' handling. I'm an old GPL stalwart (those of you who know, know) and I've played most sims under the sun, but the dynamics in iRacing just leave me feeling really cold. Probably some connection with the uninspired sound too.
@Kert137
7 жыл бұрын
You forgot many worse things. :D No tire compounds, no day/night change (okay it's wip but still no there in 2017 wtf), colder tracks are faster than warm tracks, no Brake temperature, no real weather. But for me it's the only full sim where the complete package is the givin and very good :-)
@Jake_Sparey
7 жыл бұрын
Hey, for your help, i'm one of the racespot broadcaters, and the superiority complex while it is there in abundance, most of it comes down to hitting markets other sims cant, and also down in lower tiers. In higher tiers like at WC level, more and more drivers are becoming all rounders being able to hit rFactor2, Assetto Corsa, Automibilista and others really well. Use Worlds Fastest Gamer as an example, both Greger Huttu and Bono Huis (although bono is more known for his rfactor titles) have been at the top in iracing and we still have an iracing qualifier to go, be it probably martin kronke. So although there is this superiority complex, it does come down to iracing producing the fastest drivers and the closest racing.
@HeHasNoName
7 жыл бұрын
Dilution of the user base over ever increasing cars/series is my main beef. Half the cars i payed for never have a race go off. A> that sucks from a 'waste of money' view and makes me think twice about buying cars, coz once the novelty wears off.... and B> it kills my urge to put in time to practice, qualify etc, to sit about and see 3 dudes show up, so why bother?
@timl9870
4 жыл бұрын
The developer should be called 'Gold Digger Gaming'. Don't care about the positives or negatives, it just seems that this game stands apart, in a bad way, from the real racing sims out there. I'm going to stay way across the pond on this mess. I know this is an older vid, but I hope you're not supporting this developer any longer. Just my opinion though. Keep up the good stuff!
@ICEMANZIDANE
6 жыл бұрын
i had a 3month subscription. Started from "0" iRating and jumped to 4200 iRating in about 1 month. I was racing before so iRacing wasnt hard at all for me. But after that i stopped playing iRacing because the Core aspect of the Game just isn't as good as advertised. The most important thing in a simulator are the physics. iRacing is nowhere near the competition. And tbh iRacing will never ever be a hard core Sim because even now so many iRacers are struggling with the physics and telling that it is very hard to drive So if iRacing would make hard core physics then most of their customers would stop paying for it. The 2nd problem are the Tyres. Are we in the 90s? No different tyre compounts and a shitty tyre wear/heat simulation. It just feels odd. Like in the Video said, the front end grip is not really feelable through the wheel. I could go on with this list but i think you get the point. The Core aspect of this game just isn't there where it should be. But there are positive aspects (on the more not so important categories for me) like awesome multiplayer/lobbies. It is like apple, they got the name to be the best and thats why so many people are there but in real the Sim itself is shit.
@erwinlommer197
7 жыл бұрын
I'd prefer to hear background engine noise instead of music.
@virdog
7 жыл бұрын
I died of old age but came back to comment on my superior arousal levels.
@GamerMuscleVideos
7 жыл бұрын
+David Payne Good job ! Everyone needs arousing !
@Nathan411466
4 жыл бұрын
I have no problem with the business model, if the prices were more reasonable. They can have the monthly subscription and charge for cars and tracks and I'll be fine with it. If the cars and tracks were 5 to 6 dollars instead of 12 to 15. They are being greedy. 5 to 6 dollars per car or track is a reasonable price when you are paying $100 dollars per subscription as well.
@BigMeanyVids
5 жыл бұрын
I've listened to a lot of your comments on iracing lately. I'm totally sympathetic to cost complaints but it has allowed them to provide a service and consistency that no-one else has managed. It's pretty inexpensive when you compare it to my model airplane hobby and I'd rather pay more and get a long-lasting product than see the company disappear or just make new versions with no support of previous versions like all others have done. In other words, I don't really see how anyone can provide what they do for less cost. SRS? Nope. ACC? Nope unless they go for a subscription as otherwise they won't be able to support it. I personally hope ACC offers some sort of fee to support a much better online system. We'll see.
@oogieboogie8615
7 жыл бұрын
Using a DD and play iRacing and AC and have to say that for me AC plays like a game and iRacing more like a sim. I do rather pay a subsription, where I have great chances to have competitive races 24/7 like in the Skippy, than not. Fot the other pro AND cons - let's agree to disagree - but I do still like your content and hope for more to come.
@endaoconnor
7 жыл бұрын
My First sim racing in VR was I racing, it was on the DK1 and somehow I never got motion sickness, even in those early days the VR was well implemented. But have not played it in a while as its just too expensive. Great video, glad you passed that guy, would have ruined the video if you had not ;)
@infamousmaze6870
7 жыл бұрын
You made a lot of good points. I believe the main thing that distinguishes iRacing from other simulators is that it markets itself as an esport. If you really want that feeling from other simulators, you have to leave the game's interface and look around in the real world for a private League. In iRacing the competition is all self-contained in the simulator. Being from the United States and growing up with series like alms and champ car, I'm really happy to be able to race on the North American tracks. What I dislike about iracing is the fact that you're able to drive without any driving aids and without a clutch, and not have to blip and be the fastest. The transmission system should be a little more realistic.
@RWoody1995
4 жыл бұрын
In relation to the final point about a superiority complex, that's a humanity thing not an iracing thing, theres a big group of people in humanity who just love to find reasons they are superior to others, you just happen to see it often on videos that either criticise iracing or arent even iracing videos because where else are those types of people going to vent their superiority complex? you go to a non sim community, you will see rfactor, ac, raceroom, pcars, etc players beating down on Forza/GT players or forza/gt players beating down on NFS players... people are just assholes :P
@MJ-cf3qm
5 жыл бұрын
Times have definitely changed since this video regarding the cost. Other games now make iRacing look cheap. Almost all AAA titles with the most insane micro transactions. I can get a good 3 cars to tracks for the same price as something as silly as a cosmetically re-skinned mount in many games. Or 10 cars or tracks for the same price as a in game empty house in an open world game. Broken beyond belief years later. A totally pointless thing in the game for a clear desire to gain as much from doing as little as they can. Those also require an actual purchase of the game itself. Then on top of that there is a similar membership cost theyu also charge or playing without it is intentionally made to need the membership to play. The main difference is they cost more now but give ridiculously less. The value for the cost of iRacing is incredibly good now. The opposite of a couple years back. And the gap is still getting further. The Congress crackdown on microtransactions is very serious now. iRacing clearly is not only there for the money. That is now rare.
@pauls9498
7 жыл бұрын
I tend to find that only amateurs ( wannabe pro's ) tend to explode when things go wrong as the real pro's in sim racing and others games know to keep their cool no matter what happens ( they have a high mental discipline ) and ive known a few and they was almost impossible to wind up or make them lose their cool. Sadly iRacing is not for me as they dont like beginners in races from what ive seen and when things go wrong they are pretty toxic. The other reason is the payware model being the worse on the planet and it just a pure money grab as you own nothing no matter how much money you spend, its not even a rental. Paying for the privilege to play content you brought is total bull. I like to think that pCars 2 is going in a direction that could shake up the racing sim world a little and could be a bit of a wake up call to sims like AC, rF2 and iRacing etc.. as it stands i prefer AC but pCars2 is looking great at the moment and im looking forward to getting my hands on it when its released :) We are like spoilt children wanting more but what racing sim company is will to give us what we need and what ones will get left behind.
@daltonbedore8396
7 жыл бұрын
Paul S for something to threaten iRacing, it will need to actually pull people AWAY from iRacing. and the ONLY way that's happening is if the physics are objectively better, and the ability to race full grids is as consistant. iRacing doesn't need to be better at anything else because as their sucess shows, these are what really matter to hardcore sim-racers
@CaptainCrunch99
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, jumping to conclusions before taking the time to delve into the workings and set ups required by each SIM game is quite childish, and shows that those who do that are just not willing to take the time needed to learn and adjust to each SIM. If one SIM was truly the best, then none of the others would have much sales value. Which doesn't seem to be the case in fact.
@chrisbradick667
7 жыл бұрын
I luv competitive simracing. It is only reason i think the price is worth it for Iraicng, and why the other sims are not worth my time. At this time no other sim has even tried to give us good MP racing. Iracing has much they can improve on, and slowly they are. All other sims are same, much they can improve on. You should also state, if you are smart on how/when/what you buy, you can help keep cost down., need to use your head.
@RTAMOTORSPORTS
7 жыл бұрын
What are your experiences with using iRacing with the Vive lately I have a 1080 TI and a ryzen 7 CPU with no overclocks, computer runs smooth but in iRacing especially at spa I get the occasional stuttering and some artifacts. On the back section of the track I'm in the 80s with asynchronous reprojection on near the pits it jumps between the 50s to 70s. It's totally unplayable with interleaved rear projection as it completely stutters like crazy on spa and I have most settings now on low with all supersampling in iRacing as well as the Vive off. Any ideas bud or if you're experiencing the same thing when it comes to the Vive let me know
@GamerMuscleVideos
7 жыл бұрын
+RTA MOTORSPORTS I thought they fixed that as it was an issue for me in the past on some tracks but not after a few months back. Who knows what it could be.
@RTAMOTORSPORTS
7 жыл бұрын
GamerMuscleVideos so overall your experiencing a lot better frame rates with Oculus? I've been resisting but I think it's getting to be time to buy one :/....
@00UltraNick00
7 жыл бұрын
For me it just easy to jump in and play with iracing, I'm prolly gonna give project cars 2 a shot, but my rigs all based on iracing with simvibe and a tspc racer, and a vive, I bought dirt rally but haven't played it yet because would need revive and all that
@Minx5892
6 жыл бұрын
Worst part of iracing? Those who get triggered at f1 2017 and forza getting esports... Lel. The games good don't get me wrong just...any criticism is a death sentence with them.
@boba_rhett
7 жыл бұрын
This game gets so low in price on Steam sales, yet I have not pulled the trigger. I don't know, I feel pretty satisfied with P.Cars. I hear you on having ready races online though.
@Krisisawake
7 жыл бұрын
The weak point of iracing is the price of content AND monthly subscription. You should buy a car and then race with it. It's a shame because this game is the best ranked racing game.
@Topper_Harley68
5 жыл бұрын
I hate iracing and the cancerous fanboys. 1 Track cost 14.95 + 25% taxes in my country, ridiculous.
@repawnd1
7 жыл бұрын
I once caught two people cheating, using their girlfriends names to create new accounts and then cause trouble in the series they were participating in under their real names. One of these people had won the series for many years in a row so he was not just 'some guy', he was the reigning champion. When I presented all the evidence to iracing, including the fact that this girlfriend, who just joined the service was already faster than the reigning champion, they said that didn't prove anything and did nothing. That's when I realized they were just happy to take the money from the extra 2 accounts rather than have a fair sim. So after iracing failed to do anything I posted on the forums and those two were exposed, the 'champion' stopped participating in that series and both their other accounts got name changes and were never used again :D
@86themadhatter27
7 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying the vast range of content recently. Not that your channel isn't diverse already but i like these sort of opinionated vids. Especially for games i haven't tried but am always curious about
@SirHRDking
7 жыл бұрын
I joined Ira iracing this past month just for a test. I got addicted to it I've won only once the racing is fun and exciting but its the price that ruined it for me. I haven't been on Iracing. Racing sometimes clean sometimes dirty I enjoy it. Dunno when I'll come back to it.
@II_Hylander
7 жыл бұрын
Over my bad joke everything about this video is spot on. I've spent hundreds on the game but I can't disagree with any of your points like I said their spot on.
@racebends
7 жыл бұрын
Everything in simm racing has been hijacked after the loss of Gamespy. Power to the players!
@jamesmiddleton8335
3 жыл бұрын
wait the mirrors in iracing are not just screens like other games? That's amazing because I always trying to move my head to check different angles of the mirrors and it doesn't do anything in ac
@garylewis176
4 жыл бұрын
I love the tracks and the cars but the business model sucks and i hate that you cant slide the car around a little. I have raced real cars at a semi professional level for 30 years and when i jump in Iracing and crash 1 or 10 times the first lap is ridiculous. Racing real cars is way easier than this.
@jamesmiddleton8335
3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it tho, why would you buy iracing over asseto corsa or rfactor 2? What's the big thing that sets it apart several hundred pounds?
@ByGraceThroughFaith777
6 жыл бұрын
people are so used to getting shit for free and no ads... and they believe Elves ( who work for free) maintain the servers, and invest time and effort on development and innovation in games like iRacing...
@CharlesK441
5 жыл бұрын
Been trying AC recently and the tyre model does seem better but some cars seem to have strange handling. Some are fantastic. I just can't seem to get good regular races. Iracing is my go to sim but AC is growing on me
@amdrke
7 жыл бұрын
Shader detail at medium hurts my eyes. It makes threaded tires look like slicks :D
@daltonbedore8396
7 жыл бұрын
amdrke treaded*
@MooCreation
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah spend some money on your PC, you don't need that high spec to run iRacing in good quality or he did it on purpose xD
@jakebrown729
7 жыл бұрын
Min Park he is using VR
@MooCreation
7 жыл бұрын
so..... ?
@jakebrown729
7 жыл бұрын
Min Park it means the game has to run at the VRs refresh rate which i think is about 90fps, so he has to reduce settings. VR also tanks fps.
@TwistLosi
7 жыл бұрын
I agree iRacing content costs a bit too much, the crazy thing is it's actually far cheaper compared to Flight Sim 3rd party content.
@mro9466
7 жыл бұрын
DCS ? FSX ? ^^ That 50 euros FW thou
@FundayXD
5 жыл бұрын
iRacing is not that expensive it depends on what your interest is yes everything is over 1k usd but do you have the skill to get there and have you seen how much train simulator with all dlc costs???
@jonashammar2099
7 жыл бұрын
haha "Quantum entangled racers" Purely brilliant.
@bsmracing6592
2 жыл бұрын
With that crash physics from Disney Cartoons, it's brave you play this on VR.
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