Great video! Another thing important to mention here is the interaction with our 4 set. You will always want to cast DB with 4 stacks of Temporal Compression to benefit from that 40% increased healing, which will then benefit your Consume Flame as well.
@Bowserthehealer
13 күн бұрын
Which is likely the thing that might get nerfed LOL. Its so powerful right now
@DZsperado
19 күн бұрын
finally a light in this shadowy world of chronowarden \o/
@Cowzarelly
19 күн бұрын
Not me thinking echo duplicated consuming flame for 2 weeks in a row for raid. To think of all the wasted echos I had sends shivers down my spine
@tynudy123
16 күн бұрын
Whenever I have a preservation question, your video pops up when I need a guide, that’s why I’m subscribed :)
@gamegube6752
8 күн бұрын
A raw dream breath with call of ysera and temporal compression heals way more than the echoed version echo doesn't copy the bonus from either there is a weakauras that is very important to get that shows which targets have a non echoed dream breath this is very important
@Papiasec
19 күн бұрын
Was waiting for this !!! Love it !
@Narsisa70
19 күн бұрын
Thank you so much still struggling a bit with raid healing but this will help a lot
@chrisdaugherty9850
18 күн бұрын
I have been trying a slightly different combo. I set up a lifebind combo then echo myself for the Dream breath, then consume flame on myself. It's like a mini emerald communion every 30 seconds.
@Bowserthehealer
18 күн бұрын
Ill give that a whirl tonight!
@lohha3896
19 күн бұрын
YEAHH! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ,!! i was doing so bad with flameshaper yesterday at raid XDD . thank you Bowser ;333
@AlexanderHyll
19 күн бұрын
Just note the consumed flame DOES NOT SCALE WITH THE ECHO BONUS. You ONLY want to hit the hard casted dream breaths with engulf. A way to track this if using something like Cell is to put an indicator on the spellId that corresponds to the real DB, as the echoed one has a different id. I use a little green rectangle to show the hardcasted DB hots.
@Bowserthehealer
19 күн бұрын
If you get a titan's gift dream breath, it is technically stronger! But the echo bonus doesn't apply to consume flame, just engulf and other spells normal potency! The Cell idea is a wicked one!
@AlexanderHyll
19 күн бұрын
@@Bowserthehealer actually its not, because it neither gets CoY nor 4-set bonus. You can see this if you track which DB is which. If you titan’s gift a CoY DB the smaller one is the echoed one for above reasons.
@Bowserthehealer
19 күн бұрын
I have an example of it on this video, you can click off the weaker buff and the strong DB is used! I think that part is in the table of contents. KZitem Studio not being my friend right now so I can see it directly, but yeah I show it off in that section
@AlexanderHyll
19 күн бұрын
@@Bowserthehealer the stronger one is used, but the stronger one isnt the titan’s gifted one. 😊
@bham206
13 күн бұрын
The distinction that @AlexanderHyll was making is that echoed dream breaths do not inherit the bonuses from the 4pc and Call of Ysera - they get the base dream breath value multiplied by the echo coefficient (30%, 105%, or 131%) and that's it. So a proper dream breath with CoY + 4pc will be ~50% stronger than even a TG echoed dream breath. You lose a LOT of consume flame value by targeting echoed dream breath - you should ALWAYS target your Engulfs on someone with a proper dream breath, and use echoed targets as a last resort. You should NEVER be trying to click off dream breath HoTs trying to micromanage it.
@valiantvincent2621
19 күн бұрын
great breakdown, I can definitely verify that the healing goes nutty in raid, saved my ass quite a few times lol
@larsice9
11 күн бұрын
I find myself having trouble really getting FS to work in a raid for me. I gave it a shot for a full nhc run (after being shamed in HC for not playing it cuz it's "meta") but compared to my CW it's a really bumpy playstyle and I ended up sitting on engulf charges for too long when not seeing any opportunity to use em. With CW I just keep everything rolling and even do decent dmg in between.. Great vid tho! :)
@pinkyxyx8336
10 күн бұрын
hey would the talent build with blossom not be better? bc It is however a good talent for any Emerald Blossom builds as it a flat 20% increase to all blossom healing that also feeds Cycle of Life.
@centuriao6114
19 күн бұрын
flameshaper is so good, but with the 4 piece set, its OP SS tier
@randomstreetcat7428
11 күн бұрын
I've got a question, when do you use emerald blossom if ever??? I heal on mythic + with chronowarden and i love it, i'm using your build and flameshaper for the first time, kinda awkward feeling.
@JeanPatricklelapin
14 күн бұрын
Thanks for the guide ! I feel like the 4-set bonus is not really used here / Coz you cast only a 1 charge dream-breath so only 10% increase. Am i wrong ? And what about introducing reversion in the rotation ?
@megashield
14 күн бұрын
The 10% increase is per bronze spell u click
@Yellow123Cy
13 күн бұрын
What about using this in M+
@virtuecommunication2003
19 күн бұрын
on 5:48 with that combo you mention, there is a chance that consume flame will consume your lesser dream breath unless we manually cancel the aura? am i understanding this right?
@Bowserthehealer
19 күн бұрын
I haven't had it happen yet. Just with Titan's gift which is wild! I wouldnt worry about it, but Titan's Gift for whatever reason does it sometimes
@bannor9870
16 күн бұрын
@@Bowserthehealer Have you checked the actual healing values of whichever dream breath is being consumed? Could it be that the "weaker" one that sometimes gets consumed isn't actually the weaker one? It gets complicated because you have TG hardcasted echos being over 100%, but also not all buffs get transferred through Echo. I'll have to do some testing to determine how to actually get the strongest individual DB (whether through hard-casting or through echo). There's probably a weak aura you can make to show you realtime values for DB on yourself to help track it easier without needing to mouseover the buffs.
@samuelgray4909
17 күн бұрын
So are you not really doing spiritbloom combos anymore with this spec?
@Bowserthehealer
17 күн бұрын
So think of it more like an alternative combo. You've done a big ramp, you heal with consume flame. Now you get another window to heal in, a simple TA/Echos into a spiritbloom still smart heals, still does work! Its just now what I'd use for a big heal because consume flame is strong!
@tomgamer8530
17 күн бұрын
Could someone explain why echo raiders cast their dream breath away from the raid group? Can figure out why not get the full potential out of it
@samuelgray4909
17 күн бұрын
Wondering the same.
@Bowserthehealer
17 күн бұрын
@samuelgray4909 @tomgamer8530 So in this example I did to show off a bad consume flame I aimed away to make sure it was bad dream breaths that got echo'd. But in raid its to split targets. throw a temporal into melee, dream breath back into range. Not a bad idea to split the smart healing! Not always need either!
@bannor9870
16 күн бұрын
I still need to test some on this, but my assumption is that they determined the strongest dream breath you can get is hard-casted, not echoed. Echoing yourself guarantees you get DB on yourself, but possibly not the strongest version. If you cast DB away from the raid group, you can guarantee to get the strongest one on yourself, which gives you the biggest possible Consume Flame. A couple benefits of getting the strongest DB on yourself and using yourself as the Engulf target is: 1. You can position yourself to get the best consume flame coverage 2. You can TA>VE>DB>Echo>Engulf to set up a massive Lifebind combo, sharing a bunch of the healing from Echo>Engulfing yourself (while still getting the huge consume flame) Still don't know if this is optimal, there are just so many possibilities with this build it's crazy. Probably the most complicated healing spec...ever?
@TimSompayrac
18 күн бұрын
How important are stats with this build? I have some pretty sub optimal stat distribution, like heavy Into vers haste, and I feel like it is REALLY biting me in the ass... I was told to favor ilvl over any other stat, think I favored it a bit too much. Parsing in the grey and I can feel it
@bannor9870
16 күн бұрын
Mastery is stupidly strong on pres, you should be stacking it over basically everything else besides Int (you'll have to determine whether ilvl upgrades are worth more for sub-optimal stats). For raid, vers/haste are likely your worst stats. Casting faster just isn't that important when you're shooting for big healing burst timings that you can plan for. Some haste is always good to hit certain casting thresholds, but you don't want to stack it. I'd recommend looking into crafted gear to help swapping to more relevant stats if you can't find it elsewhere, as well as gems/enchants.
@zevahc3928
19 күн бұрын
Everything I've been reading has been saying Chronowarden is the way to go. Why do you think Flameshaper is better?
@Bowserthehealer
19 күн бұрын
At no point did I saw Flameshaper is better lol. This sounded fun, felt powerful all of alpha and beta. And its been performing well! If I had to give you a reason I think its strong (not better, just strong I have done 0 comparisons), its the flexibility. You can play around many comps, playstyles, etc and heal out of this world good. It checks all the boxes I like! If you're blasting on Chronowarden and prefer it, you're probably fine to keep with it!
@zevahc3928
19 күн бұрын
@@Bowserthehealer I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. It was just the impression I got. I've never been a big fan of Stasis and always liked the big blossoms, but that doesn't seem to be the best route with all the changes in TWW. I like the idea of a new ability for healing in the toolkit so I may give Flameshaper a try.
@phonepolice
19 күн бұрын
@@zevahc3928I was just playing around on LFR (plenty of damage coming out when no one does eggs correctly) and tried out some flameshaper with blossoms. Still uses stasis though - ditches life force mender etc in the middle. Didn’t have more time this week to play around with it but next normal or something I’ll mess with the real flameshaper echo build. Flameshaper is a neat idea and does provide a different heal profile, but chrono gives us more in most cases, unless you’re gaming logs and just want to see truly massive numbers.
@TimSompayrac
18 күн бұрын
@zevahc3928 flameshaper is obliterating the healing parses, and chronowarden is nowhere to be found. Rwf pres evokers are rocking this build.
@samuelgray4909
17 күн бұрын
Flameshaper is 100% better. Every pres evoker in the RWF rn is playing flameshaper and they are healing for millions of HPS.
@Testoodope
12 күн бұрын
Consume flame is broken and needs to be nerfed HARD
@Bowserthehealer
12 күн бұрын
It likely will, but my assumption is that its the tier set getting nerfed, and consume flame scaling correctly after 5 targets or falling off harder after 5 targets. In dungeons its totally fine!
@Testoodope
12 күн бұрын
@@Bowserthehealer In raid, our Evoker does like 33% more healing than everyone else, 30 - 45% of their healing being Consume flames. So you're right, just gotta make a greater fall-off past 5 targets. It seems balanced in dungeons though so that's fine imo.
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