FYI the “Mac” in “Fleetwood Mac” was named for John McVie. John didn’t want to join the band when Mick and Peter first asked him because he wanted to stay in the already successful band he was in, John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers. Peter Green figured that if part of John’s name was in this new band’s name, he’d have to join eventually, and look what happened!
@diggingthegreats
2 жыл бұрын
Pinning this correction 👍
@danielolson5378
Жыл бұрын
Band leaders have done that before promising something little extra for a certain guy to join. John Mayall wanted Eric Clapton to join his band the Blues Breakers but Clapton wasn't sure wether to join or not. John Mayall "convinced" him to join by saying "you can have your name on the cover!" The first album was called "John Mayall's Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton". And as we all know the bass player in the early days of Bluesbreakers was John McVie and Peter Green replaced Clapton.
@BrentAlanBeck
Жыл бұрын
Perfect!
@EngineTuning
Жыл бұрын
@@diggingthegreats Further clarification of the ship question... This has been settled in law. I don't have the case details, but it concerned the sale of a famous vintage racing car. Over it's 'life' span, the car had been in crashes, and had received modifications. Upon seeing the replacement parts, the new owner questioned the car's authenticity. This question was quickly recognised as being fundamental to the global resale sector, therefore the legal system took this case extremely serious. A legal precedent had to be set, for the sale of old things. The Judges ruled that the car possessed an essence that existed throughout it's life. Minor modifications, and replacement parts was normal to the life of the car. Therefore the car was correctly described. Clearly, this was the only sensible outcome, as any other would have created chaos in the business of selling old stuff :D
@Heartwing37
Жыл бұрын
This is truth!!!
@ronbock8291
Жыл бұрын
The fact that you don’t know that Mac is John McVie’s nickname makes me think we’re living in a simulation.
@Pencilman246
Жыл бұрын
The whole video comes across as “I half read the Wikipedia page and thought of some jokes.”
@WrongThink_
Жыл бұрын
@@Pencilman246 They weren't even funny jokes.
@janetduncan87
Жыл бұрын
I didn't know that either, since MC could be Mac.
@gmize78
Жыл бұрын
Right! I don't think he's a die hard Fleetwood Mac fan. .betcha he doesn't know about the Buckingham Nicks album they released as a duo (featuring the underrated Long Distance Winner).🏃🎼🏆
@snufbeats
Жыл бұрын
Thats the nickname for alot of people with that prefix... like in Always sunny... Mac's characters last name is McDonald... and in real life is McElhenney... but either way his nickname is Mac lol
@scottjohnson8576
Жыл бұрын
Careful bro, there are still a lot of us out here who lived those times and followed those events in real time. John McVie was the Mac in Fleetwood Mac. You should have spent more time on what was going on with the band when Rumors was recorded.
@melrezlittleranch
Жыл бұрын
I read Mick Fleetwoods autobiography, he wrote that neither he or John were in the original band. Peter Green wanted them to join his band, so he put fleetwoodmac in the name to get them to join him.
@sanny8716
Жыл бұрын
"How are we the only life we see, while the rest of the universe is basically empty?" Said a civilization that only explored like 1% of their own star system
@quentinkaasa47
Жыл бұрын
We know more about outer space than we do our own planets oceans.
@sanny8716
Жыл бұрын
@@quentinkaasa47 I've heard this quote many times, but have you actually tried thinking about it for more than a second?
@quentinkaasa47
Жыл бұрын
@@sanny8716 But it's kinda the truth.
@sanny8716
Жыл бұрын
@@quentinkaasa47 Okay, now try thinking for more than 2 seconds. We don't even know what the surface of Jupiter is (or if it has one). Same for Saturn, and all the planet farther than Mars. We at least can make a fairly accurate map of the seafloor. And that's just Solar System. Milky Way has billions of stars whith hundreds billions of planets around them. We actually know species that live in the very depths of the ocean. Not all of them, but we do know some. We know practically nothing about outer space.
@PurelyPog
Жыл бұрын
@@sanny8716 agreed
@williambrown4058
Жыл бұрын
This guy represents a prime example of what happens when someone simply has too much time on their hands.
@earlgrey691
Жыл бұрын
Bit of a classic Libtard-Cultural/Marxist revisionism going on here.They fing genius too threatening to the hive mind they depend on,but all too happy to capitalize on it.
@zwickd13
Жыл бұрын
and never seen the matrix
@emilymarek4714
Жыл бұрын
Oh my God!! Yes!! 🤣🤣🤣 Because ‘living in a simulation’ makes MUCH more sense than science, evolution, and nature. 🤣🤣🤣 But if you think about it, maybe we DO live in a simulation, and his creator forgot to adjust his intelligence level. Because HIS reason for why we live in a simulation… is the ‘questionable’ reason why people named their bands. 🤣🤣🤣 Stephen Hawking should rest easily, knowing that people like THIS are alive to explain ‘The Theory of Everything’. 🤣🤣🤣
@tincupnickleboythe1st700
Жыл бұрын
I agree, and hes young enough that he clearly doesnt know shit about money, or that SHOW must go on !!!
@stevenjohnson243
Жыл бұрын
and is dumb
@felipimacedo
Жыл бұрын
I think a similar story happened with Queensryche in 2013. If I recall correctly, the band split up, two guys wanted to keep the name, both ended up maintaining the name legally, thus releasing two albums in the same year, which are both Queensryche but with completely different lineups.
@davidjordan2336
Жыл бұрын
The branding problem with Fleetwood Mac is that its core members were the rhythm section, so the personality of the band shifted radically as that rhythm section supported different groups of front musicians. That's why their situation seems weird, when similarly fluid bands don't. And BTW, regarding the "fake" Fleetwood Mac, a somewhat similar thing happened with the Yardbirds, who broke up while still having touring commitments. Their management, who were on the hook financially for those commitments, put together a "fake" version of the band to play those dates, claiming that they owned the name. There was only a single member of this group who had ever played with the real Yardbirds, and he had only come on board the year before to play bass. But they turned out to actually be pretty good. After their little gig pretending to be the Yardbirds was up, they changed their name to Led Zeppelin, and made a name for themselves in their own right.
@bassplayer10
Жыл бұрын
“Led” who?
@bigol9223
Жыл бұрын
@@bassplayer10 he said Led Zeppelin
@farrellmcnulty909
Жыл бұрын
@@bassplayer10 PENCIL
@LastBastian
Жыл бұрын
@@bigol9223 Never heard of them. ...are they the guys who tried to sound like Greta Van Fleet?
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
Жыл бұрын
Page entered as a bassist but temporarily, since he was already a well-known guitarist. Eventually he took the guitar, Beck left and he took over the band.
@timandralf3505
Жыл бұрын
So the story I read in a Peter Green biography is that John Mayall bought Peter Green a couple of days studio time for his birthday whilst The Bluesbreakers we're recording 'A Hard Road'. He also 'lent' him his rhythm section, which at the time was John (Mac) McVie and Mick Fleetwood. They had to put a 'band name' down for the session and as a bit of a joke because he was uncomfortable as a 'frontman' before he even started, Green decided to name the session after the rhythm section: Fleetwood Mac. So although McVie didn't officially join the band until a few months later, you could argue he was there from the very start, which is why his name is there.
@genewickersham4593
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for getting it right mate.
@greg7129
Жыл бұрын
Correct !...or should I say that is the tale I have always heard. I really believe Green was uncomfortable being in the limelight. All in all it is a very interesting start for a very interesting band. Thanks for telling the story
@TheWolfsnack
Жыл бұрын
...besides...it sounded better than Fleetwood Mick?
@realfingertrouble
Жыл бұрын
Yes this - the Mac was hopeful naming since McVie wasn't convinced, so nominative determinism they named it Fleetwood Mac to try and convince him to join...it eventually worked. So it was always the plan to have John McVie in the band.
@STOLACE
Жыл бұрын
I'd like my ten minutes back. None of this eludes to whether or not we're living in a simulation...like, none at all. Distilled down, it's just various points in time when different people contested for 'ownership' of the band and its name, and various members coming and going. The best explanation to all this is your analogy of sports teams - players come and go, but it's still "the sportsball team". There's no proof here of living in a simulation, just click bait. Move along.
@DefenestrateYourself
3 ай бұрын
Bless your little heart. We’ll pray for you ❤
@PotrzebieConolly
Жыл бұрын
I believe there was a science fiction story about a guy who kept extending his life by having body parts replaced with cybernetic body parts. Eventually, he had financial problems and couldn't pay the makers of the parts, so they repossessed him.
@vinceinhouston4338
Жыл бұрын
Seems that I may have read the same book years ago. I wish I could remeber what it was. I know I read a bunch of Issac Asimov around then, but I'm not sure it was him. Damn this Sometimers! (Kinda like Alzheimer's, but completely different)
@storyinternships9636
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of that old Astroboy episode with the 'Ship of Theseus' theme.. that detective who ended up with all his human parts replaced with robotic parts. His brain was the last to go. Astroboy asks him whether he's still the same man.
@ignoblesavage5559
Жыл бұрын
sounds like a setup for a philip k. dick story.
@storyinternships9636
Жыл бұрын
@@ooneybird27 Now i want to read it, hope u find the title... I had the same experience trying to recall certain short stories titles and usually people in Stack Exchange can identify it.
@ignoblesavage5559
Жыл бұрын
can't have that liver going into foreclosure...
@terenzo50
2 жыл бұрын
I saw Fleetwood Mac in 1967. Before Danny Kirwan joined. It's a shame what happened, but it's amazing how they've kept going. Not a blues band anymore, but so what? And Mick and John are one of the best rhythm sections around.
@davidevans3227
Жыл бұрын
a proper Fleetwood Mac fan 🙂 x i'm too young but it's wicked to come across those who did see them in their prime..
@HighSpeedNoDrag
Жыл бұрын
I saw Stevie Nicks with Joe Walsh on the forefront, circa 1983. The "Stand Back" Tour was said to have created some major league Animosity amongst the former band members.
@gforce4063
Жыл бұрын
So what
@riassslave558
Жыл бұрын
agreed !!although Pete Green is their Sid Barrett wouldn't you say, brilliant musician right up until he cracked(& much worse than Sid did for sure)
@gforce4063
Жыл бұрын
@@riassslave558 Cracked ?
@bfish89ryuhayabusa
Жыл бұрын
Peter insisted that it was just Fleetwood Mac, and hated that venues insisted on billing them as "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac". And yes, even "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac featuring Jeremy Spencer". I appreciate that you boiled the in between members to one lineup rather than "yeah some came and went". It's not that complicated. Some finer points: Christine didn't actually join until after Peter left, Bob joined to replaced Jeremy, Dave and Bob Weston replaced Danny, with Dave lasting one album. Weston was fired mid-tour for having an affair with Mick's wife, so they canceled the rest of the tour for him to recover, which is where the fake Mac comes in to fulfill the tour dates. The following album doesn't do what they hope and so Mick considers finding a new member to shake things up creatively, while Bob considers leaving. Bob left in December 1974, and by the new year, Buckingham and Nicks were in the band.
@kitsunegiblaze8022
Жыл бұрын
Jeff Lynne's ELO.
@MadsMeMMMBop
Жыл бұрын
@@kitsunegiblaze8022 is all that matters in my world.
@seangrant4606
Жыл бұрын
Great video! As a post script to "Fake" Fleetwood Mac...they eventually put out some pretty good music under their own name, Stretch. Their song "Why Did You Do It?" (prominently featured in "Lock, Stock, & Two Smoking Barrels") is rumored (AYO!) to be somewhat about the whole situation.
@stevious7278
Жыл бұрын
I had two Stretch albums; 'You Can't Beat Your Brain For Entertainment' and 'Elastique' Elmer Gantry and the guys were a great band. I read somewhere that 'Why Did You Do It' was about Mick Fleetwood bailing out on doing the tour with them (the "fake" Fleetwood Mac)
@damonjay1
Жыл бұрын
RIP Christine McVie
@jeffbergstrom
2 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for ship of Theseus reference. Also, remember that when they made Rumours (arguably the best pop album of all time) members of the band were breaking up (McVies and Nicks/Buckingham) and they literally almost gave their cocaine dealer a credit on the album (but he was murdered before release so they didn't). Also, every person in the band has a song credit (they each wrote at least one song and one song is credited to all members).
@diggingthegreats
2 жыл бұрын
Incredible. The history of Fleetwood Mac is eternally bonkers. As John Mulaney said, rumors is an album “made BY and FOR people cheating on each other” 😂😂
@danielolson5378
Жыл бұрын
I think it's bascially a miracle that they actually managed to record this album without either od on coke or kill eachother 😂
@RadarViking
Жыл бұрын
Your fervor and presentation have caused me, through my love of classic rock, to subscribe. Despite alleged discrepancies in this particular bit of news, I have never been so entertained so quickly. I'm still kickin' ass on the road at 63, and enjoying shit worth watching. Kudos, man!
@MrLedotson
Жыл бұрын
I think the band Yes has an even crazier history than Fleetwood Mac. For a long time if original bassist Chis Squire was in the band it could be called Yes. When he died his wife said anybody who was ever in Yes can have their own Yes. I think there was a time when 3 Yes bands were performing around about the same time.
@rolemodlin
Жыл бұрын
Or Black Sabbath
@wanderingwade8877
Жыл бұрын
Yes, really?
@LTD-7
Жыл бұрын
*In my simulation the band's name was "NO"....*
@MadsMeMMMBop
Жыл бұрын
@@LTD-7 way.
@robertgoolet2707
Жыл бұрын
@@LTD-7 😂
@DiscGolfHunter
Жыл бұрын
one of the best channels on youtube, period. Keep up the good work sir.
@JohnNoirSmith
Жыл бұрын
Are you not gonna mention how among those 10 studio albums prior to Rumours, TWO of those albums are indeed called "Fleetwood Mac" as well?
@glenbowley8114
2 жыл бұрын
One great incarnation of the band which gets overlooked often is the Bob Welch period (71-74), which included the albums: Future Games, Mystery to me, Bare Trees etc.
@darthjesus420
Жыл бұрын
Penguin is underrated
@davidevans3227
Жыл бұрын
"mystery to me" album is good ..imo..
@darthjesus420
Жыл бұрын
@@davidevans3227 oh def a no brainer
@ursafan40
Жыл бұрын
I consider the Welch era their weakest, but even so it's still great stuff. I do love "Heroes Are Hard To Find" , and "Future Games, Bare Trees, Penguin and Mystery To Me" are all very good albums from the 70's era
@quentinkaasa47
Жыл бұрын
You're gonna have to give me some time. I just found out Bob Welch died. . .
@frankingenito
Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this. Nicely done. The band didn't call themselves Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. The record company added Green's name to the album cover without the band's knowledge. Green, who hated fame, was very upset about it and his name was later removed.
@atlasking6110
Жыл бұрын
This is Fake News. The band's official original name was "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac featuring Jeremy Spencer." Which was quickly shortened for obvious reasons. It was too long.
@maschyth3334
Жыл бұрын
Only douche bags say “Fake News”. Don’t be such a mental weakling.
@TokyoXtreme
Жыл бұрын
Rod Torfulson’s Armada Featuring Herman Menderchuk
@AlphaMachina
Жыл бұрын
@@TokyoXtreme lmfao did you see that they came out with a new Kids in the Hall show?
@archereaster611
Жыл бұрын
@@atlasking6110 Not fake as Peter Green was in a documentary stating this.
@dlperk5035
Жыл бұрын
Next time use the Big Mac to prove that "we are living in a simulation.". .and yes, we want "fries with that." Loads of them.
@82ndairbornevet
Жыл бұрын
I saw Fleetwood Mac in Atlanta GA. on their Rumors tour, and it was a truly awesome concert.
@brolinofvandar
Жыл бұрын
Peter Green was the founder and person responsible for the creation of Fleetwood Mac. Peter, Mick Fleetwood, and John McVie were all alumni of John Mayall's Bluesbreakers band. Peter initially asked Fleetwood and McVie about the idea of forming their own band. Fleetwood was on board immediately, McVie took a little more persuasion, which took the form of the name. Peter named the band Fleetwood Mac to encourage John to join. Which he did. Months before the first album release, after only the first few gigs had been played. Peter also wrote several songs that a lot of people know, even if they don't know him. Like, for example, "Black Magic Woman". Made famous by Santana version, the song was written by Peter and first performed by Fleetwood Mac. Also, "The Green Manalishi", which might surprise those that like the Judas Priest cover. And he wrote "Oh Well", which has been covered and continued to be performed during the Buckingham-Nicks era. Before she married John, Christine went by the name Christine Perfect and was a member of Chicken Shack. She did some work with the band, met John, eventually married and became the first female member in 1970. In broad terms, there are three major incarnations of the band. The original, led by Peter Green, is probably musically the best, but suffers from recording quality. The early 70's saw a Bob Welch led second incarnation, with better production and a more "accessible" sound. You'll still hear things like "Hypnotized", "Bermuda Triangle", or maybe their cover of "For Your Love" from that period sometimes. Then, in the mid-70's, Welch left, Buckingham and Nicks joined, the band took a decided turn towards pop (a direction they'd drifted towards during the Welch era, somewhat), and the rest, as they say, is history. What's sad is that the Buckingham-Nicks lineup is what people think of as the "original", and it's definitely not. Eight studio albums with them, nine without. There is nothing at all uncommon about massive personnel changes through a band's career. Look at Deep Purple, the only original left is the drummer, Ian Paice. We're about to see Kansas tomorrow night, there's only two originals left, and one of them is currently injured. But, you can listen to either of those bands now, and still identify the sound as the same band from 40-50 years ago. On the other hand, people still refer to Ted Nugent's "Ted Nugent" album (the one with "Stranglehold") as his "going solo". However, if you look at the lineup on that album, and the one before it, it's mostly the same people. I think they dropped one and picked up two. Only time I've seen someone "go solo", and take the band with them. All that really happened, is that he finally took over the band, Amboy Dukes, dropped that name, and changed labels. The prior two albums were listed as "Ted Nugent & the Amboy Dukes" and "Ted Nugent's Amboy Dukes".
@vinceinhouston4338
Жыл бұрын
On a side note to Carlos Santana, he says that Peter Green's Black Magic Woman was the impetus for him becoming the performer he was. He begged Mick Fleetwood to try and persuade Peter to play live with him when Santana was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Peter's mind was long gone and he went up on stage to perform as Mick somehow convinced him to do, but he kept turning down his guitar. Carlos realized this and kept trying to turn his guitar up. I think he was very disappointed by it all. Mick ended up going to listen to the tapes with Peter's guitar turned up more, but it is unclear what he heard. He does say that Peter was playing the song, but not at what quality.
@dooplon5083
Жыл бұрын
iirc Danny Elfman did the pseudo "going solo" thing too but only because his band Oingo Boingo was going through a big label change or something, featuring basically the whole band. In either case the rest of the oingo boingo discography was under MCA and many of their older hits were re-recorded to get back the ability to license out those songs
@lunallena5594
Жыл бұрын
The Beach Boys also split into two bands but they sang and played the same. I'm glad to see Fleetwood Mac and other great bands live as long as they: can legally play using that name, sound the same, and concert ticket prices are reasonable.
@christophersunken1226
Жыл бұрын
Just because you don't know something doesn't make it a Mandela effect.
@clutchnshift1
Жыл бұрын
The Dark Side of the Moon remained in the Billboard 200 albums chart for 736 nonconsecutive weeks (from 17 March 1973 to 16 July 1988)...now that’s proof of a simulation!
@kevinbean3679
Жыл бұрын
Will the real "Pink Floyd" step up? Which one of you is Mr. Floyd?
@thedoom_guy66
Жыл бұрын
The question of life: Which ones Pink and which ones Floyd?
@djstarsign
Жыл бұрын
Wait until this simulation guy learns about Syd Barrett. Simulation bro, only possible explanation!
@mindybacken700
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that there are several other lineups after that and that Lindsey Buckingham straight up called the latest iteration after he was fired a cover band just makes this funnier.
@diggingthegreats
2 жыл бұрын
It never stops! It’s insane haha
@zackzallie8735
Жыл бұрын
The Fleetwood Mac drama is longer than the whole One Piece lore lol
@adspur
Жыл бұрын
No offense to the rest of the band.If you took Buckinghams talents away from their biggest albums would they have been to great?The answer is a big fat no.Lindsey bad them great.He was the true genius.
@nathanielovaughn2145
Жыл бұрын
Egos do not make a band worth remembering. Fleetwood mac exemplifies this fact.
@nathanielovaughn2145
Жыл бұрын
@@adspur Amen. He saved the band and gave them a reason to be known. Old witch wannabe girl sounding like Elmer Fudd and the rest of the members rolling in mediocrity on a good day.
@davidwatts8281
Жыл бұрын
The song "dreams" is what charted in the billboards... And dreams are what is used as metaphor in the movie "the matrix" for the simulation
@greenmanalishi6963
Жыл бұрын
Greeny named the band after the mic and John not only for them to join, but so they’d have a permanent place to play/band. Peter wanted to explore in different tastes and knew he wasn’t gonna stay in FM for too long (his virtuous playing/sing/writing can land him anywhere not so easy for a drummer and bass player). Hence naming it after the rhythm section. Essentially making it mic and johns band,
@happybuttersblast8334
Жыл бұрын
So Every 10-12 years every cell in our body has been replaced . Are we even the same person as we were a decade before? kind of in the same vein as the ship of theeseus thought experiment
@corlenajames1381
Жыл бұрын
I still play 'Rumors' every week. And nope, not because of TikTok.
@georgeprice4212
Жыл бұрын
Well, with Christine’s passing, it’s looking like Fleetwood Mac is done, especially according to Mick Fleetwood.
@johnakni
Жыл бұрын
You have failed to consider the fact that Camper van Beethoven redid the entire Tusk album.
@prilljazzatlanta5070
Жыл бұрын
Man, I am LOVING your content. Got hit by a truck a few days ago and while in bed came across the Soulquarian video and loving everything you’ve done. Couldnt wait to get up today to dig into my funk archives.
@tlovehater
Жыл бұрын
Lol what?? Unintentionally funny comment, hope you're doing ok now.
@prilljazzatlanta5070
Жыл бұрын
@@tlovehater thanks, doing good and pulling out a stack of albums to listen to everyday while im home. No complaints here. Its enough to make a grown man bizzerk…but fun nonetheless
@WristwatchAddiction
Жыл бұрын
Totally thought that was going to be a joke. Hope your feeling better!
@DZNTZ
Жыл бұрын
You didn’t REALLY get hit by a truck… this is a simulation, remember?
@prilljazzatlanta5070
Жыл бұрын
@@DZNTZ 😂
@gerhardvanderwesthuizen842
Жыл бұрын
Peter Green named the band "Fleetwood Mac" (Mick Fleetwood, John McVie) to entice John McVie to join officially. Previously it was the title of a Peter Green instrumental named after the rhythm section - the only consistent members in all the different line-ups.
@HardCoreGarage
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, so its always been at least 2 members
@mariozehren4666
Жыл бұрын
Dude, if you think that's crazy, try make a video about the bottomless rabbit hole that is the member history of prog rock band YES. Featuring constant line-up changes (that being departures as well as many comebacks of members), several dissolutions and refoundings, several instances of parallel Yes-related bands consisting of different (ex-)members (with the unavoidable legal trubble concerning name usage), subsequent mergers of those parallel bands, mergers with previously completely unrelated bands (as in The Buggles of Video Killed The Radio Star fame), bands that originally weren't intended to be Yes, but ended up having so many previous Yes-members by accident that it was decided to simply rename them back to Yes, a current line-up that features no original members, and lots of egos and interpersonal drama to round it off.
@aliciasteward8463
Жыл бұрын
I was in a band with military members. And this sounds like what we went through, of reconfiguring band members a LOT. Our dual lead guitar members were the BEST🙌🏼
@shawnkavanagh2951
2 жыл бұрын
Rumors is far from the best Fleetwood Mac album. Then Play On or Bare Trees is their best work, imo.
@diggingthegreats
2 жыл бұрын
But which “Fleetwood Mac” are we even talking about? 😂😂
@vinceinhouston4338
Жыл бұрын
The ones with Mick Fleetwood in them obviously 🤯😂🤣
@37PatPat
Жыл бұрын
What about ‘The Beach Boys’? The current band that tours as ‘The Beach Boys’ has only one original member of the original members, Mike Love. a few years back when they wanted to do a special tour to celebrate their anniversary, they billed some concerts as The Beach Boys with Brian Wilson and Al Jardine. Even though Brian Wilson was the driving force behind the group - composing and produce most of their songs. He tiredly worked with a group of studio musicians called ‘The Wrecking Crew’ to lay the backing tracks down and only brought the rest of the group to lay down the vocal tracks. Fast forward a few weeks and when their contractual were over, Mike Love decided he wanted to go back to touring with the band he had put together and saying goodbye to Brian and Al. Leaving them to tour as The Brian Wilson band with special guest Al Jardine.. The other Wilson’s, Dennis and Carl had both passed a few years earlier so having them join was impossible. Brian took them took Mike Love to civil court to get their Band name back -- I mean it was the Wilson boys that made The Beach Boys.famous and namely Brian who created heir sound evolution from surfer Do-Wop to Rock and Roll legends. How does this happen? I find this as every bit as compelling as Fleetwood Mac’s story. Especially since no one can deny that @StevieNicks and @LyndsayBuckingham
@Jarnagua
Жыл бұрын
So a rock band changes its members, therefore the universe is a simulation? I want my 10 minutes back.
@janesmith7676
Жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. I'll give it to him though - this is new level of clickbait.
@DefenestrateYourself
3 ай бұрын
No one owes you anything
@Jarnagua
2 ай бұрын
@@DefenestrateYourself You obviously don't understand my comment. What I mean to say is: This vid is garbage of a whole new level. Maybe you enjoy dogshit clickbat like this, and that's on you.
@Joybuzzard
Жыл бұрын
My parents had the Buckingham Nicks album from before they joined Fleetwood Mac. If you listen to the first Fleetwood Mac album and the Buckingham Nicks album separately you can hear the 2 sounds coming together.
@captainsteve7817
2 жыл бұрын
I listened to the 'Rumors' album for the first time in years today and now YT is recommending this video...we're definitely in a simulation. What's up?!?
@diggingthegreats
2 жыл бұрын
THE SIMULATION IS REAL!!! 😂😂 what’s up Cap’n!
@fix135
Жыл бұрын
And another piece of trivia (that will already be known by Peter Green fans) is that Black Magic Woman which is often credited to Santana was actually written and performed first by Fleetwood Mac.
@vinceinhouston4338
Жыл бұрын
Yep. That's why Carlos had him on stage with him when he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So much more to the story in Mick's book Play On which I reccomend checking out.
@mikefettel2617
Жыл бұрын
John McVie is an original member , Peter Green insisted they be called Fleetwood Mac . Fleetwood for MIck and Mac for John McVie .
@djstarsign
Жыл бұрын
“So I basically only know the ‘Rumors’ era and what, they used to be a blues band? Who is Peter Green? I understand Fleetwood but who is Mac and why didn’t they include McVie in the name? Yup, simulation. Only explanation.”
@RangeWilson
Жыл бұрын
Also relevant is that their musical style changed dramatically. At some point, you think they would have just chosen a new name, but inertia is a powerful force.
@santosmadrigal3702
Жыл бұрын
I think KISS is going to be that .
@PotrzebieConolly
Жыл бұрын
Like Jefferson Airplane -> Jefferson Starship -> Starship
@donyoung7874
Жыл бұрын
A name change isn't needed just because the musical direction changes. Especially if you're a band with any amount of name recognition.
@larkaraniakim7832
Жыл бұрын
Now I just need a breakdown of the Rumors album completely. I just would like to see the approach to how you would tell this story 😂.
@totoro1972
Жыл бұрын
I like how you took a current theory and intertwined it with music history to create a very entertaining mind fuck. Subscribed!!!
@lisahoshowsky4251
Жыл бұрын
Iove your yellow submarine in the back! Also, the podcast trashy divorces does an episode with pretty good coverage of what you were getting into here, especially considering they’re a celebrity breakup podcast and not a music one😆 they have an episode on Stevie and Lindsay’s relationship specifically as well.
@IKIDIF
Жыл бұрын
I think this happened a lot back in the day. Bands like King Crimson and Yes come to mind! Members exiting stage left then coming back full circle and leaving again.
@J.S.3259
Жыл бұрын
“Isn’t it Midnight” is too brilliant to have been conceived by humans. It’s too perfect
@ginjazz2836
Жыл бұрын
Black Magic Woman is one of my favorite Fleetwood Mac songs
@erickcesar5616
Жыл бұрын
if you think the history of Fleetwood Mac is confusing it's because you've never seen the history of the Brazilian band Angra (currently it only has one original member and he is the composer)
@B-420
Жыл бұрын
It’s awesome to hear the crazy history of Fleetwood Mac. Don’t know about the simulation thing.
@gswithen
Жыл бұрын
The best Fleetwood Mac album is the Buckingham Nicks LP.
@felipecardoza9967
Жыл бұрын
Never underestimate the power of coincidence...it would be even more strange if coincidences NEVER happened, so to assign some special revelance to those that do is fallacy. Also, it is incredible how many bands not only go through personnel changes, but how many van utterly change their sound. Consider, for instance, how Ministry sounds on "With Sympathy" vs practically everything else after "Twitch."
@Greeceindirestraits
Жыл бұрын
Nicely said! The interesting thing about coincidences is that they do not actually happen. I mean that two or more events are not deemed as coincidences by all people. It is more of a personal - mind function that tries to connect things, in order to create a broader picture of the world, relating things, persons and situations. During this procedure, it is easier to learn and remember things that somehow look similar or happened at the same time or have a common central reference point. Through this surprise, we learn more things, easier and faster, because we combine them with things we already know and interest us, through the chemical procedure in our brain that takes place. What we call coincidence is actually a very useful learning tool!
@shuruff904
Жыл бұрын
Fxxking Ministry!! 🤘 (I actually own 6 of their albums on vinyl, including With Sympathy, which isn't very good and kinda goofy....but if you showed it compared to Psalm 69, people would never guess its the same guy lol) Celtic Frost had a hair metal album, Kiss had a disco album...there's a bunch of weird one-offs out there
@felipecardoza9967
Жыл бұрын
@@shuruff904 imagine this: I first heard "Every day is Halloween" on college radio in 1984 working 3rd shift. The very next Ministry sing I heard was "NWO." I thought there had to be two different bands with the same name. I learned later that Al simply did what the record executives wanted, just to get a contract, then made a hard turn into what HE wanted to do. Saw them in 2008 with my son and then 2018 with my daughter. Always a great time.
@nathanielnicholson559
Жыл бұрын
Imagine my thrill when, years ago when the internet wasn't much of a thing, I had been searching for an album by this band 'Pailhead' I had heard on a Santa Cruz skateboard video... I found a copy of 'trait' at my junior high nurse's yard sale. And what about Bad Religion's first album...? Nothing like the later stuff. Sorry, you said Ministry, I geeked :)
@shuruff904
Жыл бұрын
@@felipecardoza9967 yeah, Everyday is Halloween was crazy lol...more synth-pop than anything, but going from that to NWO is a HUGE jump lmao
@DriveSMR
Жыл бұрын
So, in essence, I drive on my simulator while living in a living simulator.....while listening to virtual insanity.....and then of course Closing Time...can't forget that one...ever
@rh1507
Жыл бұрын
This is a little out there. It's almost like claiming that the Beatles weren't the Beetles since John, Paul, Ringo and George weren't really insects.
@bustinjeeber4609
Жыл бұрын
I saw the fake Fleetwood Mac in 1974 in Boise Idaho. We thought we were going to see the real Fleetwood Mac but since we were stoned out of our minds, the concert was pretty good.
@debomb721
Жыл бұрын
I think Fleetwood Mac is a rhythm section, Mcvie bass and fleetwood drums are the two constants
@jschap712
Жыл бұрын
You could have gone with the Little River Band, for example, which has none of the original members (all of whom are legally prevented from using the name Little River Band). Or you could have gone with Yes. But since you went with Fleetwood Mac: Tango in the Night started out as Lindsey Buckingham's solo project, and he was considered the driving force behind Rumors and Tusk. Does that meant Fleetwood Mac ended when Buckingham left the group, as many people think? And Mick Fleetwood himself was no longer what made them Fleetwood Mac? Or was Fleetwood Mac actually Buckingham Lint at that point? But Stevie Nicks' solo work did better than any of the other band members' solo works, AND further, her songs on Behind the Mask were originally intended for a solo album, and on tour for that album much of Fleetwood's playlist was from her solo albums, so did Fleetwood Mac become The Stevie Nicks Concern at that point despite the presence of Mick Fleetwood? But, then again, Christie McVie wrote bigger hits than any of the other members, including "Don't Stop" which, by Presidential Order, forced the band to reunite at one point. So was it the Christie McNuggets? Then there's the Neil Finn period, so does that make that a new band we might call the Split Enz in a Crowded Fleetwood of Finn Ne? But, heck, it still all pales next to the history of Yes.
@Milokicks
Жыл бұрын
Dude your channel is blowing up. Good to see 🍻
@KingMercury
Жыл бұрын
The ship would not be the ship if it wasn’t named and paid for. If someone named the ship and owns it. Then all the ship can be burned and the beginning of a new ship will be the new ship named the old name. Fleetwood Mac is a band name and is owned. It’s like menudo. The band.
@michaelhall5429
Жыл бұрын
The Theseus ship dilemna is easy to solve. Once Theseus sells the ship, it is no longer Theseus' ship. Up until that time it is still a ship, owned by Theseus, therefore it is still Theseus' ship. Just found your channel and love it.
@pete7164
Жыл бұрын
Well yes this is true from a purely material perspective, but then you're kind of missing the whole point of the metaphysics of it
@michaelhall5429
Жыл бұрын
@@pete7164 that's what makes it funny.
@pablopolanka
Жыл бұрын
This video is an example of how glitchy and inane the AI running this simulation is, at times.
@joelaichner3025
Жыл бұрын
Hall was asked to be lead singer of Van Halen , he turned it down , and David Lee Roth got the Job !
@jaimedeleon1194
Жыл бұрын
Conan the Cimmerian told us in "Queen of the Black Coast", 'if this is a dream, then I am real within it and the world is real to me. Mad respect to you sir for referencing ship of theseus
@jeffandersen7397
Жыл бұрын
That's why it seems like a dream. Got me hypnotized~
@cocobutter3175
Жыл бұрын
I find it funny that as a kid, I always considered the two main members of Fleetwood Mac to be Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham. Ok, ok..I thought that literally until I watched this video and I'm in my 30's. I literally heard them and Stevie's solo albums, every day of my life for the longest time because she was my mom's favorite artist.
@xyzzy5821
Жыл бұрын
IIRC, this happened to the band “Yes.” At one point in the 80s (?) there were zero original members. The original members formed a band and tried to tour/record as “Yes”. Lawsuits occurred and the original members released an album as “Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and Howe”. Sorry if there’s slight factual errors; doing this from memory.
@MrSimondaniel3
2 жыл бұрын
I sat thru this whole thing & u never gave any evidence why F Mac means we live in a simulation. Because their band name is weird& they had several lineups?.
@JoshuaSkaja
2 жыл бұрын
Are we sure more than one Fleetwood Mac isn't a compound plural? Attorneys General Mothers in law Pandas Express Fleetwoods Mac
@diggingthegreats
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent point. Fleetwoods Mac it is!
@christopherdougherty9832
Жыл бұрын
You won't be seeing the only original member of Lynyrd Skynyrd if you see them anymore. R.I.P. Gary Rossington.
@BurnRoddy
Жыл бұрын
How come nobody thought about making a band called Mick Fleetwood Jefferson Mac Alpine and release the song "That's the Plank&Moebius!" yet is beyond me.
@ra639
Жыл бұрын
There is no Fleetwood Mac without Stevie Nicks- she is the ONLY indispensible member of the band...
@Heartwing37
Жыл бұрын
Agree but crazy that they didn’t want her originally because they already had a female singer with Christine. Christine also looked down on Stevie because she couldn’t read music…and it got pretty rough on Stevie. But, they needed Lindsey so much that they took on Stevie since he wouldn’t leave her behind. The rest is history….
@debbiehanisch2099
Жыл бұрын
I don't agree. They were a great band for years before Buckingham and Nicks came along.
@ra639
Жыл бұрын
@@debbiehanisch2099 So you're the one....
@vinceinhouston4338
Жыл бұрын
@@debbiehanisch2099 Exactly. They may not have gotten the radio play and hits of the later iteration, but musically they were on par with the Yardbirds, Bluesbreakers and old ZZ Top (great first albums, well before Eliminator)
@trevg9450
Жыл бұрын
The original Fleetwood Mac was PETER GREEN'S BAND. PETER GREEN was FLEETWOOD MAC. Green was THE MAN at the time. Green was in the same statosphere as Clapton, Beck and Page. So PETER GREEN started FLEETWOOD MAC. Fleetwood didn't ask him to join anything. Green was the one with the reputation and the record contract. Mick and John were in Mayall's bluesbreakers when Green was already there. When Green wanted to start his own band he remembered Fleetwood and asked him to join. They in turn ask Mcvie to join but John originally declined in order to stay in the Bluesbreakers. He later changed his mind and joined. So let's not mix history. The original Fleetwood Mac was called PETER GREEN'S Fleetwood Mac BECAUSE it was Peter's band.
@SchardtCinematic
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the group Yes basically became two bands at one time. The classic lineup and the later members from the 1980s and early 90's
@tunguskalumberjack9987
Жыл бұрын
You could probably do a version of this video with Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship, and Starship. Your outro put the idea into my head- you said the word “spaceship” and the idea just sprung into my head as if from nowhere- fully formed. Maybe this is a sim after all.
@Knokkelman
Жыл бұрын
Maybe a sim, or maybe we're all the same person or soul, at different stages of development. Look up the short story "The Egg", fascinating stuff.
@retinalcircus
Жыл бұрын
Really glazes over the fact Peter Green himself was the biggest name in the band when it formed. For good reason, he's still regarded as one of the finest blues guitarists of all time. He was a shy innovator and skilled musician, but on stage confident and had fierce energy. Green had already been in the Bluesbreakers and made a name for himself elsewhere too. So by the time of Fleetwood Mac he was the biggest name out of all of them. After he left he briefly rejoined around the time of Tusk. But vanished again pretty quickly. Green also wrote Black Magic Woman (famously covered by santana,) Man Of The World, and (imo near invention of metal itself,) - The Green Manalishi And It's Two Pronged Crown. To name a few.
@Eyesofthebeholder214
Жыл бұрын
Oh wow that's good info. Thanks for sharing.
@gisellechacon7081
Жыл бұрын
Hilarious! But I couldn't help thinking, "How much of Fleetwood Mac's legacy was pre-Rumors?" Every successful band has other members if you go back far enough. And while we're discussing Rumors, I just have to say 40 years later I'm still cracking up about Buckingham's brass balls!😄
@shuruff904
Жыл бұрын
Baguettes lol....a symbol of wealth used to literally be fake testicles. Also, it was also a sign of wealth to walk around with no pants on, balls hanging, with shoes on before Baguettes were popular. (I'm sure it got cold lol)
@PotrzebieConolly
Жыл бұрын
Those are Mick Fleetwood's brass balls.
@mauriceharvey4300
Жыл бұрын
There is a quite well-known band here in the UK called Dr. Feelgood, an r&b band, which started off in the mid 1970's and are still playing gigs with, and I stand to be corrected, no original members in their current line up at all!
@KRAZEEIZATION
Жыл бұрын
The name comes from the surnames of Mick Fleetwood and John McVie! These guys were the rhythm section in both bands. A band is no longer a band when it’s a rubber band!
@TheGreekPianist
Жыл бұрын
BEST BAND EVER! Fake or not, their music is legendary! ❤️
@nathanielovaughn2145
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@blitztim6416
Жыл бұрын
Maybe you should read Mick Fleetwood’s autobiography. He covers all of this. Including the Mac.
@vinceinhouston4338
Жыл бұрын
Yes! I agree. Play On is a very good book. I was only a passive Fleetwood Mac fan and really enjoyed it. Afterwards I wentback and got every record from the Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac up to Rumors. As I said in another thread on this video, they were a great blues rock band on par with the Yardbirds, Bluesbreakers and other prominent acts of the time.
@boflynn7289
Жыл бұрын
Peter’s “Oh Well,” is one of the most rock n roll songs ever written.
@jimidrammer4187
Жыл бұрын
Foreigner tours with zero original members with Mick Jones making guest appearances once in a while.
@hashtagdag
Жыл бұрын
I'm Not One to Be An Opinionated Gatekeeper Except When I Am, Dept.: My cognitive dissonance refuses to accept the whole simulation theory and presses my stubborn as hell opinion that Fleetwood Mac began as one of the great heavy blues bands, eventually becoming whatever the hell they ended up as via countless garbage revolving door personnel changes. (Bows and accepts roses) Thank you!
@ComicPower
Жыл бұрын
Man you know your stuff. I appreciate this type of dive into the impossible than became possible. You got a new sub.
@MelissaThompson432
Жыл бұрын
Peter Green was in Bluesbreakers with John McVie. Mick ended up gigging with them. Peter was quite impressed with the other two's talents and wheedled them into forming a band. Even though it was his idea originally, he didn't want to be in charge or be the named leader, and "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac" was his compromise. Shortly after, he quit the band. He had been showing signs of emerging schizophrenia, which was exacerbated by an acid weekend in Germany. After that he was never really able to work to a standard that satisfied himself. They tried to keep his spot open, at least insofar as using him to fill in for breaks, but eventually they all decided together that Peter was done; the other intermediate band members didn't get along always with Mick, John, and Chris, and so they started posting "artist wanted" ads. You know the rest. You knew this part, too, you just wanted to make something juicy out of business as usual.
@Nufsed007
Жыл бұрын
Well that's 10.05 minutes I won't get back.
@615AL
Жыл бұрын
Saw them in 87 @ MTSU. Saw my principal and a bunch of school teachers. Strange then but I get it now. Definitely made me see them as cool old people...... I was 16. Good show, Still remember how great Stevie Nicks looked and sang, Christie Mcvie too. Buckingham wasn't with them but hey, not sure what version that was but good show.
@vinceinhouston4338
Жыл бұрын
In the same vein as Joan Cusak's School of Rock character. 😁
@tompotts1902
Жыл бұрын
Thank you That's exactly what I've been saying about a lot of bands lately Recently, Warrenton, Skid Row and Quiet Riot came through town BFD Not one band has the original singer Let alone QR having any original members left Therfore, yet are either glorified cover bands or tribute bands Now, why would I ever consider paying top dollar to see bands like Styx, Journey or Foreinger if the singer that made them popular aren't even with the band anymore? I appreciated this segment and agree with you wholeheartedly Thank you
@Knokkelman
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I also used the ship of theseus reference on bands before, but I would argue that the voice of the singer kinda makes the band - that's why Sepultura with Derek Green, although he's great, is a total different band for me than the old one, and the several Max Cavalera projects are more Sepultura than the band. That said, death metal pioneer band "Death" ceased to exist after founder Chuck Schuldiner's tragic death, and now there's a tribute project called "Death to All" with ONLY original members except for the singer, who sounds sooo much like Chuck, and some people are still like "boohoo, that's not Death, RIP Chuck" - but I guess complaining is a sports... I've seen Skid Row and Foreigner at Wacken btw. and thought is was cool, maybe sometimes it's better to know less of a band's history to just enjoy some incarnation of them. Maybe the simuation we live in is an MMORPG of some advanced civilization, with all the top spot celebrities being players (and us being NPCs), and so club 27 members for example just quit the game after having succeeded, and 2016's big dying was players leaving after the new addon "pandemic and world war 3" was announced...
@jonathanlund590
Жыл бұрын
As long as it has mick and john it's Fleetwood mac, that's a no brainer
@TheFlutecart
Жыл бұрын
Ship of Theseus. If you replaced boards on the ship of Theseus that were cut and fitted for the ship of Theseus, then it's still the same ship.
@fredstriker2042
Жыл бұрын
I would say (if you know their story) two things destroyed Fleetwood Mac, first Acid, then Women.....
@MeinGottHatDenLangsten
Жыл бұрын
Then a *lot* of blow... and Klonopin, apparently.
@carlv1379
2 жыл бұрын
Music is almost always performed by a larger group, even if there is one person featured or four. Or five. When we listen to Janet Jackson we're listening to lots of people. What is amazing is how well they have done with only one #1 hit. That's proof of something. The Supremes have 12. And some of them were only recorded with one Supreme, but lots of people are heard on all of them. And Rumours isn't their peak. Their next best album is always right around the corner. But will it have Lindsay? In the book on Rumours, it was revealed that before recording any drums, they took days, days, I tell you, to get them sounding right. And it's said in the book that the way the records were stored before sale helped them sound better. Simulation? Maybe.
@juanpineiro4507
Жыл бұрын
Going crazy in the plumbing section of Home Depot 🤣 🤣 🤣 🎵 this band is your band , this band is my band ….. 🎵
@kpec3
Жыл бұрын
Never seen anybody refer to a band who did 20 weeks at #1 with "air quotes"...
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