I’d like to see a sapi plate mold that you could make a plate purely out of flex seal
@kaliumnitraat
3 жыл бұрын
I want to like but its 69
@dmaxm2498
6 жыл бұрын
Our armor isn’t rubber coated (line-x etc). Our plates are compressed ceramic w Kevlar on top followed by some padding on top. It’s rated to stop a 7.62mm M-80 ball. Made by Ceradyne, inc. We tested it in Iraq during the 1st deployment and it would stop 3 M16 (5.56mm) rounds. After 3 it was toast, but any round bigger than that you better hope that you only get it once (or not at all of course lol) or get lucky if you get hit twice! Also, we had to change out our plates every so often because the integrity of the ceramic would easily get compromised because the corners of the plates would start to crack and crumble and spread towards the middle of the plate.
@mwbgaming28
6 жыл бұрын
seems like ceramic plates are a bit of a waste since you can only get hit one or 2 times
@HaqqAttak
6 жыл бұрын
They must have made some serious advances because I never saw that in my time in. After 2008. The newer ones seem to hold together much better. They can take quite a few rounds now. As long as they dont stack on the same spot.
@MOTO809
6 жыл бұрын
MWB Gaming If you’re getting hit more than that you’re doing something wrong, and you’ll probably be out of commission anyways. I know a guy who took an AK round to the chest in Afghanistan. Broken ribs and a basketball sized bruise. Got a Purple Heart out of it. 1 will pretty much put you out of the fight; 3 or 4 sounds excruciating.
@orion8981
6 жыл бұрын
The ceramic is a byproduct of the military's obsession with Level IV. While it sounds great and all, Level III is sufficient for nearly all tasks (besides stopping AP, but true AP still isn't particularly prevalent due to cost), and most have MUCH better multi-hit capabilities. It's a bit of a pick your poison type thing.
@matthewnunya8483
6 жыл бұрын
@@HaqqAttak sounds like he is describing the old school SAPI plate. They upgraded to the E-SAPPI sometime before joined in 2007. The plates are much more durable and can eat rifle rounds.
@1BoneChip1
6 жыл бұрын
So spalling is when a projectile or blast wave impact an armor plating causing the opposite side of the impact to break apart and become fragmentation. The effect that you were trying to stop is primary fragmentation, the projectile breaks apart into smaller and sometimes more hazardous pieces that continue to have down range effects. Go forth with new knowledge!
@otetechie
6 жыл бұрын
1BoneChip1 It’s spalling. Spall means to break up into chips or pieces. If the bullet shatters, the smaller pieces are spall. If a DU round punches through amor, the shards or amor and of the round are both spall.
@1BoneChip1
6 жыл бұрын
Negative on your last ghost rider, although you are quite right on my spelling error. When it comes to ordnance the act of a projectile coming from together is fragmentation. Spall by the oxford dictionary is as you described and you are correct in referring to the small pieces from the armor as spall. That being said spall is strictly limited to the effects generated by the armor receiving some kinetic energy transfer from an impact or blast wave. When in doubt, 60 series out!
@JDL_2020
4 жыл бұрын
@@otetechie Incorrect:Spalling and spallation both describe the process of surface failure in which spall is shed from a larger body of material. Technically spalling would be the plate shedding metal. Even the plate manufacturers get it wrong, and keep misinforming the public.
@ruinedrx8
4 жыл бұрын
Jon L but the fragments from the projectile came from a larger body of material as well
@DANIAC262
4 жыл бұрын
@@1BoneChip1 They don't get it. Maybe they should look at a squash head round. Its designed to create spalling.
@44WarmocK77
6 жыл бұрын
I think you could massively improve the coating by adding some sort of weave to it as a reinforcing matrix, like fiberglass or a simple medical bandage.
@bigmikestan
2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah
@ChopGutta415
Жыл бұрын
Kevlar
@Manuelord9
Жыл бұрын
Duct tape
@cliff.sl.0075
4 жыл бұрын
you’re correct. Everyone commonly misuses the terms. Splatter/splash is when the projectile does not penetrate an object. The round breaks apart and takes the path of least resistance creating bullet splash or splatter. Spalling is when the projectile penetrates an object and the material the projectile penetrates is projected forward creating spalling.
@JamesMelzer999
6 жыл бұрын
Flex tape needs to change their slogan to "As seen on KZitem" All these youtubers using it in their videos.
@scarakus
6 жыл бұрын
As Seen on TAOFLEDERMAUS, lol
@planescaped
6 жыл бұрын
He's still alive? Haven't been to his channel in years. I prefer just *not* watching his stuff now... Shame since I loved him as far back as Game Grumps.
@danwood1121
6 жыл бұрын
@@planescaped His flextape video is worth a watch, still
@GarnetCarmichael
6 жыл бұрын
I think Red Green would agree that you would probably get better results with multi directional layers of duct tape equaling 1/4 inches in thickness. Interesting problem though, I think it deserves addressing. Thanks for the video!
@DaveTex2375
6 жыл бұрын
Canadian Ingenuity? If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.
@EricToTheScionti
4 жыл бұрын
What about both?
@TonyTheGoon
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think flex seal under duct tape would be the winner.
@davebrooks993
Жыл бұрын
My boss’s neighbour is red green. Seriously.
@Benzy670
6 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t help but hear Jeff’s, “hello everyone,” intro as Professor Farnsworth from Futurama saying, “good news, everyone!”
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
lol
@immikeurnot
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. Nick from the Simpsons.
@davincirod8176
4 жыл бұрын
Ha!
@LogicOfaMadman
6 жыл бұрын
Still a better idea than trying to make a bulletproof vest out of flex seal. Gave you a like for practicality.
@baikia777
6 жыл бұрын
Was that from demolition ranch? It's pretty lame
@madatat1982
6 жыл бұрын
Guys, you definitely have one of the better gun demonstration channels. Keep up the good work.
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@firedude3337
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder what would happen if you added a bunch of fiberous material with each layer of flex seal............something like burlap or God willing.....kevlar threads. That would be interesting
@scottstewart5784
6 жыл бұрын
awesome idea! akin to fiberglass but flexible
@CatMan_7
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly. I always write my ideas before looking at others, my suggestion was a layer of card board. But I’m cheap and don’t know where to get a supply of Kevlar threads?
@scottstewart5784
6 жыл бұрын
Amazon - look for "kevlar thread" - 50 yards for $3.75 USD. Plus $5 for shipping unless prime.
@piller6
6 жыл бұрын
Carbon fiber in each layer crossing the gran on each layer . 7 or 8 layers wrapping 2 inch around to the backside.
@anonymousaccordionist3326
6 жыл бұрын
That would be like super pykrete.
@Bringbackcicispizza
6 жыл бұрын
Will it stop my ex girlfriends vengefulness?
@justiceforsethrichwwg1wga160
6 жыл бұрын
Nope.
@Barskor1
6 жыл бұрын
No you need a box of Godiva chocolates and a club/bouquet of flowers and a high cunnilingus skill.
@robgoins3672
6 жыл бұрын
Try MGTOW
@ostonespinosa6758
6 жыл бұрын
I can stop it for you.
@johnmcenroe1760
6 жыл бұрын
762 fanatic Only sorcery will stop that.
@EweChewBrrr01
6 жыл бұрын
That's one thing I like about your channel is the way both you and the O.G interact with us. I hope you never change that format.
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
Interaction alert! 😎👍
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
It always bugged me to get ignored, and that stops me from commenting on other channels.
@JesseAndMike
6 жыл бұрын
Love these videos! :D Awesome as always!
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jesse and Mike!!
@FLOUNDERMILKSHAKE
4 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see how it performed in a carrier. Pretty sure the nylon would have helped things out even more.
@Dracologist
6 жыл бұрын
can you coat the AR plate with a gummybear?
@BillB23
6 жыл бұрын
lol, not a bad idea
@ChevyJakson
6 жыл бұрын
OMG Plz coat a gummybear with flex seal!!!!
@DeXoDeD
6 жыл бұрын
I second that!
@woooweee
6 жыл бұрын
Try Silly Putty;3
@CatMan_7
6 жыл бұрын
Yes we must try gummy coated AR plate please Meow🐱
@sski
6 жыл бұрын
I have yet to see a Flex Seal tactical armored wet suit. Yet.
@thed8229
6 жыл бұрын
Paint OG with FS and utilize the pond. You've got everything you need! Ooh, wait till the Kronos comes back. We'll need slomo.
@sski
6 жыл бұрын
OG will write ALL the rubber jokes.
@AflacMan13
5 жыл бұрын
Dry Suit. :-)
@r3xtz12
6 жыл бұрын
Someones been watching the latest demo ranch videos
@Jamal_Tyrone
6 жыл бұрын
yup...
@joehealy1477
6 жыл бұрын
haha
@hakrj12
6 жыл бұрын
Fuck Demo Ranch
@Moto_Medics
6 жыл бұрын
Rip
@MrSiestaFiesta
6 жыл бұрын
It almost seems that flex seal/tape is doing a weird advertising campaign.
@wiseelf
3 жыл бұрын
I like that you display proper range safety. Clearing weapon .ETC. Thanks LM
@f688xt6
6 жыл бұрын
Now, if you shoot a boat with a 12 gauge slug, then repair it with Flex Seal, how resistant to further shots will it be? I mean, that's a LOT of damage!
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
haha
@Isaac-ho8gh
6 жыл бұрын
*I sawed this boat in half!*
@skavossis5377
6 жыл бұрын
Naniiiiiii!!!!! I wonder if flex seal can fix a folding table?
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
6 жыл бұрын
WWE wants to know your location
@skavossis5377
6 жыл бұрын
No way Jose
@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG
6 жыл бұрын
If it can’t stop Lindsey Lohan from trying to kidnap homeless migrant children then no.......
@thewanderer9741
6 жыл бұрын
I remember my grandfather telling me about his experience with bullet spalling while serving in WW2 (Pacific) his hands and arm's where all scared up from a near miss from enemy machine gun fire lucky for him he had on a welders mask at the time may he rest in peace
@Sableagle
6 жыл бұрын
Crazy thought: would the steel and flex-seal stay together better if your steel was grooved like a non-stick p.... Oh, you thought of that. Yeah, probably very hard to cut a fine pattern of grooves two ways into a hardened steel plate, but I think it'd: 1) Allow the coating to hang on better under the impacts and 2) cause the fragmetns to bounce *out* rather than splashing *across* the surface.
@Worrsaint
6 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see how it would work if you chopped up an old kevlar vest and mixed some of it into the flex seal before putting it on. It would help keep the flex seal from splitting off chunks and blistering.
@MODElAIRPLANE100
6 жыл бұрын
NerdByDesign "chopped up an old Kevlar vest" yeah that's kinda difficult
@robertsmall1715
6 жыл бұрын
I had the same thought about fibre in the mix too
@Worrsaint
6 жыл бұрын
@@MODElAIRPLANE100 You can cut kevlar fibers with scissors pretty easily. Razor blades also go through without much trouble.
@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG
6 жыл бұрын
It wouldn’t work. If the AR500 Steel is behind the mixture it’ll still connect and splatter off. I believe you’re thinking of Spiderman’s webbing 😉
@brettmciver432
6 жыл бұрын
Nerd i was thinking the same thing Layer of flex then layer of Kevlar( soaked in flex) then layer of flex then Kev then flex then Kevlar. Ohhh dragon skin style armour with flex seal hmmm worth looking at I reckon
@SCComega
6 жыл бұрын
So, random thought: What about homemade composite armor? Take a 1/2" deep steel cooking tray, fill it with 5-10mm alumina polishing balls, then fill the remaining air inside it with molten aluminum (or a structurally sound bismuth-tin mix, if you don't have a forge setup, though it's more expensive and heavy than aluminum and all) Keeping the alumina in with say, chickenwire fencing or a screen clipped to the sides of the cooking tray while the molten metal fills it, then after the metal hardens coat the surface with spray-on bedliner. Should be less than $100 total for the materials, and it would be interesting to see how it would hold up vs rifle rounds. (given the principle should be similar to that used in some composite tank armors)
@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870
6 жыл бұрын
Composite armour is not that effective against kinetic rounds at low volumes. It's instead extremely effective against chemical rounds.
@SCComega
6 жыл бұрын
True, however I'm still curious how it might perform, given the hardness of alumina and all. Furthermore, it would be a higher volume plate vs most level 3 AR500 armors, at about double the overall thickness, (steel backing plus a half inch of materials) if it's using 5mm alumina material it should stack to three-four layers in the tray, plus the metal between, should lead to both round deformation and friction breaking)
@AlbDavidT505
6 жыл бұрын
You build it, I am sure they would shoot it.
@SCComega
6 жыл бұрын
You see, I would, if I could spare $100, and I could find a place that sells alumina polishing medium where I could pick it up from the store or would ship to a PO box. #workingclassproblems
@ThomasSmith-in5dd
6 жыл бұрын
Try Napa Stone Guard. It has more tensile strength than Flex Seal.
@ImmortalMalcolm
6 жыл бұрын
they talk about that around the 7:18 time mark how the plates are normally covered in a line-x type of coating
@renegadeoffunk2588
2 жыл бұрын
I hope to never need to use my plates, but this restored a lot of faith into my impulse buy from a few years ago
@ResilienceOnPurpose
2 жыл бұрын
I bet embedding a tough fabric layer or two into that flexseal would have helped even more.
@NoTimeForThatNow
6 жыл бұрын
So sad to see that horrible featureless grip on an otherwise fine rifle.
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
Might be ugly but runs 100% as fast and accurate as the original.
@kamurray67
6 жыл бұрын
It pains me to see such good people as Tao, OG and Danny, have to live oppressed in Commifornia.
@NoTimeForThatNow
6 жыл бұрын
Officer Gregg no disrespect intended to you or your rifle, just sad that you have to slap that thing on it.
@TheIcyWizard705
6 жыл бұрын
I'd have to ask what the point is then but the California government and logical gun laws seem to exist in separate realities
@DaveTex2375
6 жыл бұрын
When I hear the term "Featureless" it makes me think of a person without a face.
@romeomotorider
6 жыл бұрын
Thats why i subscribe to this channel because uall read our comments nlt others they blow u off not a like or or love man u all cool love ur video man keep it up.
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@brandongarretson9475
6 жыл бұрын
Can you turn it into a boat now???
@paulschwartz2464
Жыл бұрын
I shot hand guns competitively for years. Montrose Colorado used to have a competition called the "Steel Challenge" where you faced off against an opponent and had to drop steel plates. First to the stop plate dropping won. I carried my chair, gun bag and ammo in a little red wagon like kids use. At the end of a day of shooting it would have a LOT of lead and copper fragments in it. And it was sitting WAY back from the targets/firing line. During practive once one of my 45 cal, 230 grain round nose all lead bullets splattered against the plate, bounce back and a dime to nickle sized flat piece of lead struck my buddies wife in the front of the calf. Just hit flat and stuck there. We pulled it off. Slight burn from the heat and painful but she was still able to compete. Lead hitting steel isn't safe at close distance (up to 20+feet even). I'm thinkng the cloth/other material of the plate carriers help mitigate the splatter. Love to see a video on that.
@sheldonhudson6130
6 жыл бұрын
Research shows that the fin on that ar's grip makes it a less deadly firearm therefore this test may not be accurate
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
At least we still own them here. I have to dress it up for videos so 8000 clowns don’t write in saying it’s illegal. It might look ugly, but it shoots just as fast and accurately as it did before it was “converted”. 😎👍
@bourbonwarrior1618
6 жыл бұрын
@@OGsDangerShow Aren't you exempt from most of our absurd gun laws anyways?
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
Most, but not the silly “assault rifle “ thing. Trust me, I’m only compliant on video. 😉
@bourbonwarrior1618
6 жыл бұрын
I bought a M1A scout instead because I didn't want to deal with it. No one seems to care about my black rifle.
@sheldonhudson6130
6 жыл бұрын
@@bourbonwarrior1618 yeah man that classic looking battle rifle is statistically less dangerous because it doesn't look as scary.
@brabbit4729
6 жыл бұрын
I like that you zoomed in on him clearing the weapon, for those people concerned that you're not being safe.
@MSDX360
6 жыл бұрын
Jeff we know you care. I've commented several times on these videos and always get a response from you guys, whether you or the great OG ahah. Just wanted to say that I appreciate the work you guys do to entertain us and that I do think you listen to your viewer base. Wish you guys all well all the way from Portugal!
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
Hello from the US! Thanks for watching! I’ll be in Portugal and the Azores next spring, we should grab a cold one.
@MSDX360
6 жыл бұрын
If you come by Lisbon sure ahah I'm up for grabbing a drink, the Azores are a bit far away for me but send me a message if you pass by Lisbon. Hope you enjoy our country when you come!
@Swoolz
6 жыл бұрын
Glad someone tested this. I was curious about it, too. I do have a suggestion if you're willing to try. Like you said, rough up surface with burgundy scotchbrite or 320 sand paper and clean it with degreaser. But, mix a good amount of sand in with the flex seal as an aggregate. Then, of course, shoot that b**** with a 12ga slug!
@gscapinelli9214
6 жыл бұрын
All in the name of Science. Amazing video, as always.
@kevinKronnack
6 жыл бұрын
Picture of Officer Greg on the title card? Count me in, whats this wacky man up to now?!
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
You need to raise your standards bro! 😎👍. Thanks for watching.
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
I used the cringiest photo I took of him lol
@regularguy8110
6 жыл бұрын
Spalling is generally what comes loose on the inside of armour plate that is hit from the outside. whatever gets knocked loose by the projectile could be called spalling. I'm sure someone will argue about it...lol. great videos!
@Minnakht23
6 жыл бұрын
I believe "spalling" is what it's called when the back of a metal plate gets the energy of the shot transferred to it and so that side of the plate has bits break off and become shrapnel. An extra coating on the back side, like you did, would likely help against that.
@sgibbons77
6 жыл бұрын
I had never even thought about bullet splatter, though I'd heard the term before. Thank you! (Not only for an educational video, but one that was also entertaining to watch!)
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@briancox2721
6 жыл бұрын
IIRC, splatter is fragments from the projectile, spalling is fragments from the back side of the plate itself opposite the impact or combined projectile and armor fragments on the back side if the projectile penetrates.
@RONIN2025
4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work I watch you guys every single episode
@5shotsr611
6 жыл бұрын
That .40 hits harder than the 9m That's for damn sure lol
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
That’s why my agency uses it!
@5shotsr611
6 жыл бұрын
@@OGsDangerShow May I ask what ammunition the officers is allowed to carry?. I know the Leo buddy's of mine here in MO. is allowed to carry even a 10mm if they desire. Gold dots 180grn*
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
My agency issues the M&P 40 and supplies us with plenty of 180 gr. Federal HST in .40. We don’t get to choose our primary duty pistol or ammunition.
@5shotsr611
6 жыл бұрын
@@OGsDangerShow M&P is an excellent weapon Along with them 180grn hst Its a Beast! 💪
@joehealy1477
6 жыл бұрын
That's a lot of damage
@jonathanhudson4623
5 жыл бұрын
The coating they use in AR500 and similar coating are basically the melted polyurethane spray on bed line like line-X. It has strands like fiber glass or kevlar. It's basically like spraying the plate with melted skate board tires that has strand of material for added strength and to tangle with the shrapnel. Those acetone melted canned bed liner and under body coatings just aren't hard or strong enough and they lack the webbing like fiber matte that is blended into the polymer coatings. I have a set of plain steel AR500 plates and I epoxied soft body armor to it to act as a net to tangle up the shrapnel. It works great btw
@nickgq
6 жыл бұрын
I saw your comment on Smartereveryday. Kinda cool to see creators looking at other creators.
@guacamole8683
6 жыл бұрын
Who else was hoping to here "That's NOT a lot of damage!" ?
@Bob5mith
6 жыл бұрын
splatter, spalling, or spatter? It's pronounced CARBEAN dammit!
@kalixtshawxo
6 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
@tomhickman1006
10 ай бұрын
I saw a test with either flex seal or one of the bed liner coatings, he was ables to capture the spall from the bullet. He used cork, I'm guessing about 4mm thick. If I remember correctly he may have used a adhesive to attach the cork to the steel plate before he covered it with the bed liner.I believe the bed liner was also alot thicker.
@humanerror8787
4 жыл бұрын
Wrap a couple layers of Kevlar around your plates. Kevlar is excellent for catching shrapnel.
@UpstateBreezy
6 жыл бұрын
#donttellmere! Wait a minute......
@herrkulor3771
6 жыл бұрын
An idea: fill a cartridge with flexseal. Treat the cartridge with teflon or silicone spray before so the slug will release. Also fill it with shot, so that it is like your wax slug in a rubber version.
@paulsabotig
6 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, just noticed you’re up over a million subscribers now, you’ve come such a long way since I found you a couple years ago (before you even had a patreon and were wondering if you could afford to continue making videos). So happy to see every time a new one gets published. You can really tell you guys enjoy doing this stuff. Please keep being genuine as your channel grows! Great content will always be more important than fancy editing or gimmicky product placements like so many other channels do now. All the best from Ontario :)
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
“Canada! America’s hat!”
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
thank you Paul!
@3RAN7ON
6 жыл бұрын
8:05 sorry I don't agree when you said that every other channel ignores their viewers... the whole reason I know about your channel is from watching a Donut Operator live stream where he was talking to you as you left comments... your channel turned me on to the AVE Channel through your collaborations...
@taofledermaus
6 жыл бұрын
Donut is pretty good about the comments, I'll give him that. That's why I watch him, NOT for him to promote my channel!
@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe an outer covering of thin kevlar over the flex seal will catch the return splatter more effectively
@texasdeeslinglead2401
6 жыл бұрын
Some tanks used /use a layer of bedliner or tops exert magic to control fragmentation on inside of tanks. Projectiles wouldn't penitration but would hit the armor so hard that the inner wall of the tank would fracture violently.
@J9_j3
6 жыл бұрын
now do flex-seal and home depot fiberglass mat in alternating layers.
@nanaki-seto
6 жыл бұрын
kevlar would be better and maybe se linex. I want to see that ersonall. I think the 2 would be pretty damn impresive.
@aurelal2639
6 жыл бұрын
kevlar
@PlasmaHH
6 жыл бұрын
I would say that the 5.56 going into partly delaminated was a plus since it had it much easier to get trapped between the flex and steal instead of bouncing of the flex.
@COMB0RICO
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks from Texas
@montieluckett7036
6 жыл бұрын
For all their skylarking, they have a fairly impressive range safety doctrine.
@wayd19
3 жыл бұрын
Any possible fast moving sharp piece of metal flying near the giant veins in your throat are always something to consider. Luckily it seems the bullet shrapnel will hit your chin first but the people around you probably get it worse.
@jennitro
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe a layer of Flex Seal with some fabric saturated into it while it's still wet would maintain its integrity a bit better.
@theatheist4519
6 жыл бұрын
It’s because you didn’t go around the corner with the flex seal, I think that would have stopped the first round a lot better because it was so close to the edge. Problem with the flex seal also is that it’s designed to stick to things rather than it’s self, rather it’s not made to dry to a rock hard glob, it’s just made to be a flexible sealant (like it’s name). Try a spray on truck bed liner if you can.
@cross3052
6 жыл бұрын
Spall refers to frag that is blown off the opposing side of armor plate and sometimes to penetrating rounds themselves.
@PalmettoNDN
4 жыл бұрын
Jeff is right. Spalling is what breaks off of the opposite side when penetration is not achieved. The old HESH tank shells relied on this method to destroy tanks when Soviet armor was superior in protection and the 105mm gun would no longer punch through Soviet armor even with APFSDS round. The HESH round would flatten on the armor and detonate, throwing spalling inside of the enemy tank.
@mistertravis4690
6 жыл бұрын
This brings up an excellent question when looking for quality in a plate carrier. How well does the outside layer stop fragmentation? Keep the videos coming! Great content!
@jacktheaviator4938
Жыл бұрын
For use against anything smaller than a carbine, you are MUCH safer with soft armor. Even with the "anti-spalling" costing, plates are dangerous. I use PTE plate on my chest rig, and a steel plate in the back where you are much less likely to catch shrapnel from a splatter.
@daniele.f.2963
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the useful information about using Flex Seal. I will go with 3 layers of Truck Bed Liner.
@wetwriterrr
4 жыл бұрын
Convienced me to buy the plates with the better factory coatings. Sure hate to see doc from splatter. Guys this is a very informative presentation for all at-risk shooters. READERS, become a Patreon....$5/month is not much. THANKS GUYS!
@600bubba
6 жыл бұрын
Another great vid and love the filming of making the gun clear
@charlesesowersjr1436
3 жыл бұрын
A typical slug bought from off the shelf company but taking a Tungsten or titanium core and placing it into the center of the slug itself keeping the slug shape diameter and length exactly the same at what it was originally. The only difference would be having a Tungsten or titanium or another very dense type of material like depleted uranium in the center of this lug in the center of the slug but keeping the shape length with completely the same as what a factory slug would be.
@meebond
6 жыл бұрын
Ok, I see that, and I instantly think of how Kevlar is wrapped up in canvas or something to keep the kevlar from unraveling as quickly. It doesn't seem like you're really wanting to do this again, but... The same or another similar compound, with a nice, tight wrap of canvas or tarp, theoretically, would control how quick the seal (or whatever compound) fell apart, as well as mitigate the debris. More work, less ease, but still...
@gabesaywers6808
6 жыл бұрын
That poor CA compliant rifle. I'm so sorry. Great video! Keep up the good work.
@OGsDangerShow
6 жыл бұрын
At least we still own them here. I have to dress it up for videos so 8000 clowns don’t write in saying it’s illegal. It might look ugly, but it shoots just as fast and accurately as it did before it was “converted”. 😎👍
@GentiluomoStraniero
4 жыл бұрын
Start with a thicker armor plate and CNC machine pockets to make it look like a waffle or honeycomb if you will. THEN add numerous coats of flex seal or asphalt type coating. Another thought is to laminate two to three layers of aluminum sheet metal with injection molded rubber in between to absorb the round and contain the spalling. This would be a type of composite armor.
@robertmcclain2988
6 жыл бұрын
You guys are great! I've been a fan for 6 or 7 years and enjoyed your 22 caliber stuff you used to do and wondered if there was a chance for you to revisit some of those "adventures" in the future?
@huntnfish549
6 жыл бұрын
Wow you could make a whole series on this such as different types of coatings inlaying Kevlar or fiberglass and such DIY type applications
@TheRockyRacoon92
6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see this upgraded like "Steel -> flex seal -> kevlar sheet -> flex seal -> kevlar sheet -> flex seal" , maybe with the metal slightly lacerated for a better flex seal adhesion.
@PistolManiac100
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys, this is the point i have always tried to make.
@tomsmith3045
4 жыл бұрын
Two options I can think of: 1) Pretty sure Russians or Germans put ridges on some of the armor plate in front of hatches in ww2. Not tall enough to be shot traps for the big guns, but tall enough to deflect some of the splatter or ricochet from a low shot hitting a crewman. So maybe a few high hardness weld beads left to right would help. Would have to be done to not wreck the heat treat of the steel, might not be possible. 2) The splatter has way less energy than the initial shot. Try spaced armor, in a 1/8" polycarbonate sheet on top, hot bent with a 3/4" lip on top, spaced out in front of the steel by 1/8" of foam. Then the round goes through the PC, through the foam, hits the steel, splatters, and the splatters have to go through 1/8" foam (easy) and 1/8" polycarbonate (less easy). Don't use acrylic plastic it'll make the problem worse when it shatters.
@Skitzotech
4 жыл бұрын
Seeing the slowmo of the rubber trying to catch and hold the fragments has me intrigued. What if you guys some how made the rubber more able to catch and hold onto the fragments? You could try the carbon fiber technique with a layer or 2 of kevlar. Paint a layer of flexseal on the plate... Then while wet press a single layer of kevlar on it... Paint another layer of flex seal on... Then place another layer of kevlar rotated 90 degrees... Paint another layer of flexseal. My thinking is that the layers of kevlar are too thin to stop the full force of the bullet coming in but strong enough to catch the tiny fragments bouncing off.
@ThatOliveMrT
2 жыл бұрын
Seems like steel plates are great for budget conscious buyers. As the rappers say 'protect your neck!'
@jhtsurvival
2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if you layered flex seal with a fabric if it would catch more
@rileyneufeld7001
6 жыл бұрын
Jeff! Bond a layer of Kevlar over the steel and seal it with flex seal or rubber! Should stop pistol rounds from even getting through the rubber to separate from the steel and I would think stop the small fragments from leaving the plate.
@wesolson6123
6 жыл бұрын
two layers of flex seal with a layer of fabric in between. It would help prevent the flex seal from shredding. The armor makers are probably using a two-part, manganese dioxide cured polysulfide compound such as 870 b 1/2.
@mrmeatman9948
6 жыл бұрын
Love these videos! I started watching this channel years back when you used to play with mercury!
@AnotherGlenn
6 жыл бұрын
Prepping the steel to make a good bond might help. Adding some kind of fiber to the flex seal might help.
@ArcanusLibero
3 жыл бұрын
Try adding fabric layers between the flex seal they tend to create control bags for the spall.
@brandonfreer6348
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting experiment.
@sonicjohn2659
6 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy the crazy shotgun rounds you guys do!!! Maybe some new things to shoot at could be a 10 sheet thick drywall block or a block of hay
@jerichosamurai
6 жыл бұрын
Just you wait. Phil Swift will enter the ballistics industry. "Hi I'm Phil Swift, and _THIS_ is FlexKev!"
@leedaily5821
4 жыл бұрын
My understanding is splatter is what the bullet does. Spelling is what happens to the steel on the opposite side of the bullet. Hand gun bvb rounds wouldn't cause spalling. Explosive rounds or possibly large high velocity rounds may.
@timmatthews36
4 жыл бұрын
I think Jeff is right. On the front I think it is splatter but on the other side (such as inside an armored vehicle) where the steel comes off in fragments, it is spalling.
@12thsonofisrael
4 жыл бұрын
Try this armor plate preparation. Make approximately 1/64" to 1/32" deep grid lines on the surface of the armor plating, separated 1" to make approximately 1" X 1" squares on the surface of the armor plate, using the thinnest carborundum blades you can get or more expensive - have the lines machined on the surface. Then using a "Rosebud" torch tip, ' Gently heat ' up the surface of the armor plating and while the surface is still heated, quickly brush the surface with a rotary steel wire brush to remove any shellac type materials, before applying the first layer of antispalding materials - flex seal while the metal is still slightly warm. Applying the flex seal: Use the third or last layer of flex seal to evenly bond any cheap, nonmetal fiber, such as a nonmetal window screen across the surface. The reason for using nonmetal screen, 1. For better initial bonding. 2. Almost any bond made with metal surface will breakdown faster than with a woven fiber. Details, details. . . 😉👍
@Indrid-Cold
4 жыл бұрын
This is why I always wear quality 3A+ as my TOP layer in the field. In my experience, as well as in many tests, you can see that CITIZEN ARMOR, with their combination of carbon nanotubes as well as UHMWPE, repeatedly displays the best performance in mitigating back face deformation, as well as holding the record for containing thee most hi velocity handgun rounds in a single plate.
@herculesherc7473
3 жыл бұрын
Funny, I actually already did this by chance, I coated a couple light weight plates of mine with flex seal and topped it with a layer of fiber glass resin. 😉 Awesome review!
@a1kjlarson
5 жыл бұрын
Consider a non-reactive plating. That is a plastic outer layer with a 1/2 inch layer of flex shield followed by the armor plating. That should capture all the fragments or minimize the splatter. The frontal shell must be strong enough to cut the bullets power by a maximum of 50% energy without stopping it. The flex shield should act as a nothing more than a medium to capture fragments. The armored plating is to destroy the bullet. However, if the outer shell is too strong, the bullet could be caught intact when stopped by the armor. If the outer shell is too weak, it will be damaged twice as the penetration and then the reflection. Ideally, you want the three layers to bleed 1/3 of the bullets energy of the bullet. You might be able to produce a working theory of improved personal protection. Something that might be patent-able. Well, its an idea.
@miaudottk9080
4 жыл бұрын
Embed in the last layer some overlapping patches of fiberglass mesh about 3x3 inch each and make the underlying layer about 1-2 mm thin. I guess the results will be much better.
@JeremyMcMahan
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder how well it would do if you layered it with varying angles of fiberglass sheets to give it some torsion strength?
@HaqqAttak
6 жыл бұрын
That kid made armor using that and Resin. Basically made a level 3a plate with the same dimensions as a level 4 ceramic. It held up very well.
@m118lr
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting vid guys, even if I am a couple years late seeing it. It would be JUST like ME to ‘experiment’ with MY armor to see what “I” could do to ‘improve it’ on the cheap. My thoughts immediately are the Flex Seal TAPE...that stuff is RIDICULOUSLY STICKY. The bonding side is almost impossible to remove with ANY satisfaction from an ‘undesirable’ place. I think it would be a GREAT idea to try LAYERING the F/S TAPE specifically to build it up on the plate itself. The bonding aspects of the layers would “catch” the shrapnel...dang I might have something here..!
@contracabal
6 жыл бұрын
Try spray on truck bed liner. I like dupli color's for the price. Also you could try scoring the coating in a grid pater to keep it from tearing large chunks out
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