00:00:00 Intro 00:11:20 t-bone's take: FLY has to blow up their roster if they want to make Worlds 00:31:12 nohrii's take: TL v TES is the best stylistic matchup TL could get 00:47:57 GreenCervidae's take: as Zven said, NA will never win Worlds because pros don't play enough high elo 01:14:35 Tatami Galaxy's take: FLY's failure might set up an interesting narrative for Summer 01:29:02 gamberino wants to talk about Western mindsets at international tourneys 01:38:35 Outro
@ENDERSMAN123422
3 ай бұрын
Tl vs TES was a great stylistic match up for TES
@TOMMYLULU85
3 ай бұрын
😂
@mbrown7325
3 ай бұрын
Yeah turns out TL could not turn it around for NA. More of the same 😂
@phreakisop9810
3 ай бұрын
cope
@EE12345
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, the style of being good vs the style of being trash lol
@Jonathan-gk6se
3 ай бұрын
The hubris of Yeon and CoreJJ to flip the game every time in the first 6 minutes
@Shatswell
3 ай бұрын
Travis’s prediction for the TL games aged like mayo in the sun.
@damiester1
3 ай бұрын
Americans gotta be Americans though
@JadeHex
3 ай бұрын
From my perspective with fly, it felt like inspired did not trust his botlane to do anything with resources (despite massu being far and beyond the best performing player at msi) and somewhat tunneled onto bwipo who ended up dropping the ball big time
@damiester1
3 ай бұрын
The issue is that Bwipo did carry their first series against PSG, so his assessment wasn't out of nowhere.
@antwanterrl3307
3 ай бұрын
@@damiester1massu was just as good slightly under tbf
@RyanBrrr
3 ай бұрын
I stopped caring whether NA wins series at internationals a long time ago. I don’t even care if they win games tbh. I just want to see fun matchups where LCS teams go out swinging, but apparently even that is too much to ask.
@Shininku
3 ай бұрын
This is exactly how i feel; and it's crazy that I've recently found myself cheering for GAM and LLA? (I don't even know the second team's abbreviation lol) more than I rooted for Fly. Despite losing, they always go hard and just fight and at least it's entertaining.
@Cubbyxx
3 ай бұрын
Use this as a like button if you want Travis to get some emotes
@soulelemanator97
3 ай бұрын
Zven calling out Travis for the lack of emotes is peak content
@SlavElenkov
3 ай бұрын
zven is actually the beat guest.
@Skyace13
3 ай бұрын
I think FLY lost faith in bot side somewhere during Spring Split. That or Inspired and Bwipo’s heads got too big from dunking on NA topsides
@yasuchika
3 ай бұрын
Probably both, lol.
@Jeff_Rekona
3 ай бұрын
Cubby is 100% correct. We need to get the youth back into league if we want our region to thrive. Supporting high school LoL clubs and Collegiate clubs is easily the best answer. We're trying to reap crops without planting any seeds.
@user-xn3vj4eu8l
3 ай бұрын
Yet nobody wants to do it so what's the point?
@Zhuny_FR
3 ай бұрын
Teams are absolutely FOOLISH to not take in Zven
@lizzb1065
3 ай бұрын
AGREED
@PlsDontReadThis123
3 ай бұрын
2nd callers take aged like milk. Rip NA for another MSI
@panda93247
3 ай бұрын
Honestly, MSI should be replaced with Rift Rivals. I don't care about NA vs LPL or LCK. I just want to see NA vs. EU. That is it.
@BigNonsense
3 ай бұрын
the way the first caller went "BUHbye" got me good idk why
@jacobsthird
3 ай бұрын
lol
@nickc4761
3 ай бұрын
Riot needs to partner with the NCAA to get LoL into the NCAA system and have it available as a program in every NCAA university.
@jakeic1
3 ай бұрын
This was a banger of an episode.
@JM-fh2em
3 ай бұрын
Can TL redeem NA.....no
@TheBigAngryHobo
3 ай бұрын
Appreciate the early release of these for us members. Lets me listen while work is slower.
@Tovigonbar
3 ай бұрын
People think fly are bad, but its not like any of the other NA teams are any better:p. NA's only hope is that c9 get it together
@MrBahki
3 ай бұрын
What has C9 done? They sucked internationally too in the last 5 years minus the year they had Perkovich.
@Tovigonbar
3 ай бұрын
@@MrBahki they should have the Player Strength to at least compete::p
@abhisangu3175
3 ай бұрын
fuck it get dom on the show please
@diaperamess
3 ай бұрын
Our region is so pathetic. Anyone who thinks Na’s performance at internationals doesn’t affect viewership is crazy. I legit can’t watch anymore it’s just so embarrassing
@user-xn3vj4eu8l
3 ай бұрын
And yet the region still question and don't even know why the viewership is declining smh
@bradpenstone515
3 ай бұрын
Man I've never seen Cubby this mad. What a show
@Huluuuuulol
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for all of the content, Keep it up. Let’s go NAAAA
@jaylee1826
3 ай бұрын
"jojo jensen swap would benefit both teams" it would NOT benefit c9 what lmao jojo was for the most part the only sentient player on that roster last split and losing a mvp level player for a bang avg lcs level mid is NOT beneficial
@Shininku
3 ай бұрын
About the take at 1:15:03 I disagree entirely. "Hate watching" TSM is not the same as FLY. I never hatewatched personally; but people still loved Bjergsen, Dyrus, Widlturtle etc; they still liked a lot of players on the team across the years. People hatewatched them because they WON too much and their fans were obnoxious; they had so many titles they people wanted to see them lose. If LCS pushes this hatewatch on FLY it is because people dislike the players; these two things are not the same.
@christianwallander2412
3 ай бұрын
I agree with the c9 fan saying it's good with a vilian team in flyquest. But I think its reversed, c9 has always been the vilians and now we finaly have heroes in the form of fly.
@bruceharrison884
3 ай бұрын
I have completely given up on NA at this point.
@markmyers8491
3 ай бұрын
This episode was based AF. Shout out to Cubby and Zven.
@tylerferman-cole5729
3 ай бұрын
This was a good episode. I personally love the hate train hype. Actively rooting against fly, and I love bwippo and inspired. I love how blunt they are. Just need to have some thick skin.
@dinogiorgetti3218
3 ай бұрын
Zven rocks
@damiester1
3 ай бұрын
TES vs FNC really tricked everyone into thinking Tian and Creme are bad players lol.
@XXANDERALEXX
3 ай бұрын
1:40:32 this is the highlight of the whole episode
@davidsato7898
3 ай бұрын
Obviously Eastern mechanics are better because the practice enviorenment is better (SoloQ, Scrims), but I still dont get how Western Teams (LCS and LEC) having former Worlds Champions and seasoned Veterans on their roster, still dont know how to play Macro, it just feels weird seeing them lose on Map movement, Crossmapping and Objective control, it doesnt sit well.
@damiester1
3 ай бұрын
They don't play enough games to experiment. You can't risk anything in Bo1s.
@soulelemanator97
3 ай бұрын
Commenting to say that I care about tier 2
@AggroNPC
3 ай бұрын
Hear me out, super tournament of top 5 of every region and just have a blood bath.
@zachschulz7147
3 ай бұрын
Zven!!!! Yessss
@xTriplexS
3 ай бұрын
Come on, all you guys had to do was to abuse Tian
@numberyi
3 ай бұрын
my take on NA pros: stop complaining and get on with it, do your job! The only pros who seriously care about winning are the eu imports, give the major region title to an actual major region like CBLOL, more fans and more passion.
@nathanieltownsend1487
3 ай бұрын
Bwipo, zven and inspire have great personalities…. Why is everyone got to hold hands all the time…. I actually want to see teams hate teams… keep it very competitive
@trio404
3 ай бұрын
At one point in spring i was telling people flyquest could beat eastern teams because they were playing SO good. Very clear certain players need to ego check themselves and stop tilting themselves and the people around them. cough..... inspired.... cough.
@IrishKelp7
3 ай бұрын
Take a shot every time Cubby says "compete" this episode and you'll be dead by the end of it. Felt like I was going insane
@brandonboyce6408
3 ай бұрын
we cut u slack sven maybe u should join flyquest or hopefully back to c9 some time or any team cant wait to see you come back from a loyal nobody hope u appreciate it
@ShawnBlaque
3 ай бұрын
So calling your teammates vegan NPCS before an international tournament isn't too smart? That's a good tip lol It's even funnier because of the way Bwipo and Inspired were just running it down. If you listen really closely you can hear them yelling "I'M NOT VEGANNNN"
@bladesofglory100
3 ай бұрын
travis i love you but if you host HLL tonight and then post the VOD tomorrow after the game...
@TravisGafford
3 ай бұрын
The show is every Monday night! What do you want?
@hdkonvick6299
3 ай бұрын
TL 3-1 kek fcking W
@MikeyFlorensia
3 ай бұрын
yaaaay
@cy20998
3 ай бұрын
TES was actually so much better than TL macro wise in both normal lanes and lane swaps that neither draft nor mechanics mattered at all
@EE12345
3 ай бұрын
Mechanics didn't matter? Did we watch JKL make Yeon look like a gold player?
@cy20998
3 ай бұрын
@@EE12345 did we? did we watch the same game 1 where TL lost 2 dragon and 6 grubs and a herald pre 15 from complete macro gap?
@TonyLee-fm2fy
3 ай бұрын
Hey wassup
@KingSMOrcthe9th
3 ай бұрын
Hey fellas, to no one, I care about tier 2, but when riot quit on it, so did I, and now the main league is half dead on a budget. They need to go super vegan, so tier one & two are both the same lol, there’s an appeal in that.
@TonyLee-fm2fy
3 ай бұрын
Busio out… Zven in confirmed
@mbrown7325
3 ай бұрын
The only things fly need to do, consider changing busio. He was clearly a problem. They need some kind of leadership and apparently the small German child was the one who provided that leadership. Since he’s been out they have looked quite bad. So they need to replace him.
@RandomStuff-zw7uh
3 ай бұрын
Maybe FLY had the super galaxy brain move to intentionally get second place domestically so they can at least win a couple of games vs other teams. TL might just 0-6.
@zacharywoodhouse164
3 ай бұрын
Cubby has this weird thing where he can't shut up when someone else is talking
@seamonster175
3 ай бұрын
FLY Zven supp 👀
@EE12345
3 ай бұрын
My favorite part about this podcast is seeing the most delusional, hilarious NA fan takes that age like milk within a day lol
@iamcrazypeople6961
3 ай бұрын
TL win 3-1 TES 😂😂😂😂😂😂how hopium
@ep3865
3 ай бұрын
Delusional NA fans 😂
@brandonboyce6408
3 ай бұрын
even if pros played flex who cares there grinding with there team against people who do unorthodox things and u can practice more against that shit witch other reagions do
@brandonboyce6408
3 ай бұрын
theres other gamers i suck but plenty of them who would give more effort then who we have now should be a fuckin rule that they need to play solo q x amount not every one can be streamers streamers be toxic for clicks views and just for a reaction even though there not mad streaming is fake it till u make it in most cases then the internet will slowly expose people like we are doing now pros not playing solo q they should all be challenger or why are they a freaking pro???????????
@brandonboyce6408
3 ай бұрын
NA MIGHT AS WELL JUST STAY HOME ON INTERNATIONAL PRO PLAY CAUSE THEY DONT PUT ENOUGH EFFORT
@TaylorL4664
3 ай бұрын
I appreciate Jenson giving a real answer to the question he got in that interview. Cubby jumped on it like it was a fucking christmas present. His reaction is the reason players never give real answers. Calm down, listen to what he was really saying. Outrage =/= knowledge. @Cubbyxx
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