Just always remember when your Towing in the mountains you can go down a hill slow a million times but only once too fast wisdom of a truck driver
@DavidFarina
6 жыл бұрын
Biggest tip from my experience... Don't let your rig get up to a high speed before applying the techniques you mention. Keep your speed low all of the time on downhill traverses, and you have wiggle room.
@dougmason3274
6 жыл бұрын
In 2014, I dragged my new 16' v-nose cargo trailer (loaded) from Nova Scotia to Vancouver Island, BC. First major down grade in BC (Salmo-Creston), I started down a bit too fast and rig got away from me. Stomped on the brakes hard but nothing was going to stop us, then I saw truck runaway lane and took it. Came safely to a stop 375' off the highway. Front brakes were so hot, plastic bearing covers on mag wheels were toast. My wife said she'd always wondered what it would be like to use a runaway lane. Now we know. Since then we have done thousands of miles towing our converted cargo trailer (now a comfortable travel trailer) all over Canada and the US with no problems. Just nice and slow downhill using the tranny and brakes as needed.
@AskRemy
2 жыл бұрын
Scary
@johndavis5354
5 жыл бұрын
You nailed it!!! I'm a 30 year truck driver veteran and big fan of the channel!
@davidapeter1149
6 жыл бұрын
I was told: At the top of the hill/mountain, be at the speed you want to be at the bottom. I aim for that and do all the things Sean and Kristy mentioned.
@mrzif0013
4 жыл бұрын
my method for going though mountains passes in out 4500 class C 6.0 chevy, is to slow down. watch the rpm.. manually mode or haul mode on the trans works for me. stay in the lower gears, going down is the hard part. keep speeds down w/o brakes of little braking... going up the easy part. keep speed down. follow a slow moving semi tiruck. do not haul w/ full rv tanks. keep empty as possible.... keep tow vehicle maintained. stay away from rv speeding up a mountain. stay away from mountains amap...but my wife has no fear of mountains........so i go...........
@billsears1622
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another helpful video. As soon as I saw the new glasses I had a flashback to Michael Douglas in Falling Down.
@LongLongHoneymoon
6 жыл бұрын
LOL They do look similar. Hopefully I won't disappear on foot into Los Angeles... ;-)
@bobk9349
6 жыл бұрын
Ok, That was a Teaser. Very important topic that needs more coverage. Retired/tired, now just tow my 35' travel trailer over Colorado Mtn passes and Dry Camp in the National Forests. Previous driving experience was driving some big rigs on the beautiful Mtn roads. Little tidbits of info that might help. Before starting that scary drive into the Mtns pull over and check the following: Tire pressure on tow vehicle and trailer, carry one of those handy dandy infrared thermometers (they are cheap) and you will want to know your normal safe temperature so you have something to compare to when you check your brake drums later, check hitch, safety chains, brake brakeaway cable, check your lights (brake,signal, running). When traveling uphill there may be a situation where you cannot maintain speed......if so, put on flashers and use first available pulloff to let traffic clear. Once you reach the summit......downshift..rule of thumb..when going down hill tranny is in one gear lower than what you used going uphill.... as mentioned in video engage tow/haul if equipped. There will be times that your vehicle is creeping up in speed.. as mentioned touch trailer brake, if that is not sufficient you will have to use towing vehicle brake.... do not be gentle, stomp on the brakes to get you approx 10mph below desired speed, if necessary, downshift. Watch vehicles ahead of you, are they applying their brakes? Usually there are quite a few pulloffs going down hill..... good time to pull off, enjoy some of the scenery and use that handy dandy thermometer. Ok, i have rambled enough. I am sure your subscribers will have some additional pointers... Drive safe and enjoy.
@johnhirsekorn2810
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Bob, thanks for the tips... any brand of infrared thermometer you have had luck with? Not keen on spending $62 for the Fluke, wondered if you tried and had success with something more in the $20-$30 range.
@bobk9349
6 жыл бұрын
@@johnhirsekorn2810 Got mine from Harbor Frieght. Now I know they are the Dollar store of tools but some items seem ok. Paid $20.00 for mine, it seems to do the job
@srperk6163
5 жыл бұрын
My harbor freight is still working. It is about 10 years old.
@justhaulincars
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a retired tractor-tractor driver. Downhill speed is the major factor of your vehicle running away with you. Although most light duty trucks have automatic transmissions, the rule of thumb for tractor tractors driving up and down grades is that you descend one gear lower than the gear you use climbing a grade. I recommend you as an RVer to do the same. If you come up to signs that "All truck stop for brake check," you should do the same. This gives you the opportunity to cool your brakes and for you to check tires, hitch connection. Additionally if you see signs that trucks have a lower posted speed limit you should do the same.
@prepperjonpnw6482
6 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Flintstone method. I have a hole cut in the passenger side floor with a removable cover. While going down steep grades I hand a pair of crocs to my passenger and instruct them to use their feet to help slow down the trailer and tow vehicle. Side not: as a builder of prosthetics this has the added bonus of ensuring I always have customers. lol
@nancyfuller4901
4 жыл бұрын
Gee, the same method most major airlines use to stop large jets!!
@vasilismallios6177
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Great as usual Thank you. Also another idea is to let the tow vehicle slow down when it is on top of the hill and the initial is slower when starting to go down hill. Always use your 4way signals at the top of the hill so none plows at your back. Also downshift right at the top of the hill so the tranny will slow you down before the weight of RV/ TT pushes your speed to rally fast for the grade. Hope none has to use the Runaway Truck ramps because of the extended damage to the under carriage of the vehicles involved. It is not a nice picture. Thanks again.
@ThisTimeAroundTravelLog
6 жыл бұрын
This is such great information for anyone learning to tow and travel. Love everything you do. You two are a great inspiration to all of us.
@raysprague765
6 жыл бұрын
I am reading some truly sage advice and all worthwhile. I have learned to always have more tow vehicle than I need. I have noticed lately the manufacturers are featuring half ton trucks as RV tow vehicles, which for some purposes maybe o.k. For me, I have never regretted having a 3500 Duramax to tow my 28 1/2 foot 5R. Never hurry, and get out and do some shake-down cruises to gain confidence. Anyone who lives in the West knows well that the terrain can change suddenly, so pay close attention to posted road signs for turns and grades, states are good at warning drivers. Happy RVing!
@mnnomad1870
4 жыл бұрын
I found not only is tow / haul mode helpful but also towing with cruise control ON is very helpful as it does some additional gearing down, weather ascending or descending steep hills and mountain passes.
@donkinzer5718
6 жыл бұрын
Overall, good advice. However, manually selecting a lower gear may defeat some of the benefits of tow/haul mode. On my 2009 F250 PowerStroke, the manual specifically states that tow/haul mode provides engine braking only when the gearshift is in the D(Overdrive) position. That may or may not be true on earlier or later models or for other manufacturers. Also, on this truck when in tow/haul mode you can force a downshift by tapping the brakes. This will allow you to keep the shift lever in D still downshift while keeping the engine braking feature.
@LeeH-Ranger83
6 жыл бұрын
GREAT TOPIC! For those of us who are “flat landers” this a topic that needs to be reviewed before heading off to the Rocky Mountains or Smoky Mountains. Truly a Trailer pulling 101 subject - thank you. L& T
@yvesm6627
6 жыл бұрын
I usually deploy the drag parachute to slow down and apply full flaps to increase drag. If all fails you eject.
@AskRemy
2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@wcarlhepker4806
6 жыл бұрын
Having trucked in the past, and having pulled RV’s through the mountains, I agree with most of what you say in this video. In addition, though, do not ride your brakes the whole way down the mountain. If down shifting is not holding back adequately, then (they call it) stab your brakes for three seconds adequately hard to bring you down below your target speed and release them to cool off. If your gearing and/or jake brake are not holding you back enough for the grade, you are going too fast for the situation or you have not down shifted adequately. What I do not agree with is using your trailer brake only on a steep down grade! This puts heat into your trailer brakes that should be shared by all the brakes, both tow vehicle and towed vehicle. If you have your brakes balanced properly, your trailer will stay behind you and your whole system will work well together. Having overheated trailer brakes in an emergency further down the mountain will make a dangerous situation even more dangerous.
@TheJcdm327
6 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said except the stabbing. I pull a tanker for a living and the last thing you want to do is pump or stab the brakes on a long grade. I was taught the feathering method. I've pulled 80,000 pounds down Jericho Mtn WITHOUT A JAKE BRAKE and was able to stop at the rest area at the bottom of hill. This is how they run grapevine. With use of a Jake Brake the stabbing method is not as dangerous. I was originally taught the stabbing method on the West Virginia bypass without a Jake Brake pulling 80,000. I'm lucky to be talking about it. At the bottom of the hill - no brakes. All I had was luck. I was later taught the feathering method on the same hill and had full use of my brakes at the bottom. NO JAKE BRAKE! 80,000 pound tanker with 8,000 gallons of Jet fuel.
@DannyB-cs9vx
6 жыл бұрын
The slower you go the more time the brakes have to cool over the same distance. It is better to keep the speed under 45 to 50 than it is to try to stop from 70. You smell something funny or the brakes seem to be getting less effective, find a pull out to rest there for a while. Keep driving and the brakes could get worst, not better. Also be sure the trailer is doing it's share of the braking. Having the gain set too low will over work the tow vehicle brakes. Having 8 brakes working is a lot better than having 4.
@NancyLudden2
6 жыл бұрын
@TheJcdm327 - did you explain the feathering method and I just missed it???
@TheJcdm327
6 жыл бұрын
@@NancyLudden2 Feathering may not be applicable for all camper towing situations. If you have a very heavy trailer and no other braking systems such as a engine brake or a tow mode.... Feathering is a technique where once you apply your brakes for the first time ON A LONG GRADE do not release your brakes until you are done using them. Obviously braking to hard will slow you down more than you want. Therefore feather the brakes to keep the pads against the rotars to prevent air from getting between the "shoe/pads and drum". Three things are required for fire. Heat, fuel and air. The heat is obviously present the brake pads are the fuel. Adding oxygen will start a fire and the pads can melt. Apply the brakes again and they may not work. I have had this happen to me. Fortunately it was at the bottom of the hill. Had the hill been much longer I would have had a run-a-way truck. In the event that you have to constantly stab the brakes for control, I would use the feathering meathod. Apply just enough pressure to maintain high RPMs on the engine. (hopefully you have shifted the transmission into a lower gear. it takes more energy to spin an engine at higher RPMs) if you begin to gain speed apply extra pressure. If you slow down to much lighten the pressure. Find the sweet spot that will hold your RPMs steady as you descend down the grade. If you come to a situation where you need to stop quickly you will have the braking power to stop. Once you have reached a place where you no longer need the brakes release them. It always about being able to come to a complete stop.
@specialopsdave
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheJcdm327 So in other words, you actively avoid letting your brakes cool on the descent, like the stab method would? Seems counterintuitive.
@slamster1300
6 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the Tow/Haul mode of my '06 F350. With it engaged, I really don't have to do much more than press the brakes for a few seconds at the beginning of a decent and set a safe speed. Engine braking take care of the rest...I never gain speed.
@michaelh.4535
Жыл бұрын
As an x over the road trucker (33 yrs), my advice is, you can go down a mountain many times slow, but only 1 time to fast! Also, if you like to brake it, you might not make it ( over heated brakes can get to the point of not having brakes at all). Use lower gears. Long downhill grades DEMAND YOU to go slow if you’re pulling a trailer especially if you’re heavy. Pay attention to the posted speed limit signs and stay in lower gears! Always remember while going down hill, can I stop if something happens in front of me!?
@doozowings4672
6 жыл бұрын
Everything you said I agree with, using your lower gears as a way to decelerate is always my go to.. My recommendation when working the mountain passes, ALWAYS have and know where the fire extinguisher is, ALWAYS make sure it's easily accessible.. some passes are so steep they can over heat the breaks and potentially start a fire in your wheel well .. never would have believed it until it happened to me coming off of the bighorn mountain. My fire extinguisher saved my vehicle...
@bobw9297
6 жыл бұрын
after 10 million km don't be at speed when cresting a hill , dive like you have do not have brakes, use them only as a last resort . drive safe have fun .
@barbaraeidel6344
3 жыл бұрын
Where were you yesterday?? I lost my brakes on the Teton Pass!! Had to get towed into Jackson, and have everything replaced!! All is well now, but I could have used your expertise before I attempted that pass!!
@LongLongHoneymoon
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Teton Pass is the ultimate challenge. Sorry to hear about your experience, but glad you’re safe.
@barbaraeidel6344
3 жыл бұрын
@@LongLongHoneymoon THank you, Sean! I actually thought about you guys a lot on that trip. I love your Teton and Yellowstone videos.
@flawlessvic
2 жыл бұрын
I got sweaty palms reading this. Glad you're okay.
@flapper4579
6 жыл бұрын
Good topic...I'm a truck driver and I always have 2 rules I use: 1- take your time and 2- be in the lower gear before you start down the hill. That's just my way but others have theirs. Just don't panic. Y'all stay safe.
@ZoomVictory
6 жыл бұрын
Last month went down the western side of Wolf Creek Pass in the rain in my diesel f250 towing a 10,000 pound toyhauler. Using the exhaust brake I barely used the brakes and because of traffic we were doing 35 MPH. I towed over many mountain passes that trip without issue including the Johnson Tunnel. I will never tow a heavy load without having the exhaust brake on a diesel truck!
@dalewatkins9889
6 жыл бұрын
Had an issue some years ago Sean, where on our way home, freeway speed was 60 mph at the time, and as I came around the corner, which was on a downslope, I saw cars stopped in the left lane, and cars pulled over on the right side, with people wandering around on the highway! Needless to say, going from 60 mph in my diesel Ford pickup, pulling a 26' travel trailer...and 3 kids in the back, had me somewhat worried instantly! I only had time to hit the horn, where I remember folks jumping over the cement barricades, as I knew there was no way I could stop before reaching where all these vehicles where parked on the left lane and those on the right shoulder! My thinking was to just try and squeeze through the middle, as it was my only option, as there was the opening there...so while laying on the horn, and 'threading the needle' I made it through...unscathed, yet we couldn't figure out how we didn't hit anything, so we had to have been 'inches' from vehicles on both sides! Now...some years later, there are all kinds of signage with flashing lights, as well as a slower speed limit in this area, so I heard that this corner had many an accident in the past, and 'finally' safety concerns where listened to, and there is now plenty of signage and lights to let people know that a dangerous corner is upcoming! I remember this instance, every time I round that corner, and still slow significantly when I am navigating that area! Brakes work great if you have enough room to slow/stop depending on how much room is between you and whatever is in front of you! I had an e-brake at the time, which may have helped somewhat! Thanks for this video, as we can never be 'too safe' while on the highway these days. We now are retired, and have a Class A diesel pusher, so I slow even more on such corners/hills!
@mattinthehat22
6 жыл бұрын
My info may be a little dated as I haven’t been out west since ‘08, but... you guys give great advice. Using the gears IS key. The textbook way to descend a steep grade with weight is to gear down and let the engine brake hold your speed. Most drivers don’t do this b/c it feels like your giving up too much time and b/c the grades are rarely even. If you’re familiar with the hill and know when it’ll level off then you can go a little faster. The main thing to remember is that push come to shove you may HAVE TO stop at or near the bottom. If you’ve been using your service brakes all the way down they might barely hold your speed by then and will not stop you. Also, I used to multiply the grade % by the stated length to get a “danger factor.” Monteagle in TN is a 24, most of the marked grades out west are much more than that - mostly b/c of their lengths. If your brakes feel spongy, you’re going to fast. If they’re smoking, you’re going way too fast. Plan on going slower than you want. If you make it to the bottom without smoking the brakes, then you probably did it right. Topic suggestion: weight distribution - tho I think you covered that in another video. Keep’em coming!
@deanstanden2681
6 жыл бұрын
Im an experienced trucker and RVer. If towing in ice/snow be very careful using your vehicles exhaust brake and the manual brakes. Always get the right speed before descent. I have a selection of well used crash helmets if you're interested ;-)
@scottleggejr
6 жыл бұрын
Yea this is a good point too! Hitting the brake pedal will use all of the axles for braking. Using the engine will only be one axle worth of braking!
@windforce6541
6 жыл бұрын
We were just in La Grande on October 3rd. We cut across to Joseph and then through the forest roads to hwy 95 and eventually took hwy 12 over Lolo Pass into Lolo Montana. Kept thinking it would be really funny to see you on the road in Lolo. Thanks for the driving tips!
@timhardy9522
Жыл бұрын
Use the trucker brake check pull-outs to check brakes and engage the lower gear BEFORE starting down the hill. Plan the descent at a much lower speed (30-35 mph) in a lower gear to use that engine braking power. Don't smoke your brakes as I've seen many truck drivers do (and you probably have, too). Stay in the right lane.
@lillakilpatrick7234
13 күн бұрын
Thank you for the advice!
@sprocket580
6 жыл бұрын
I 've taken my airstream over Monitor pass in California. That was the steepest grade I have taken. Going down was all in first gear. I took it slow and easy. However would never do it again. My general rule when going downing grades is to never get over 60 mph. If I do I apply about 3-4 seconds on brakes. I try and keep my speed below 60 using my transmission and apply brakes as needed. If you over heat your brakes you're in trouble.
@boun_viaggio_usa9989
6 жыл бұрын
Headed East down the Tioga pass. Used everything in the arsenal as mentioned and still overheated the brakes. That was a crazy ride, scared the heck out of the wife. I was able to get the rig to stop at a look out parking area, let it rest for 20 min and finished the descent.
@vickywestergard8169
5 ай бұрын
I drove that pass in an suv and it was scary. I can only imagine doing it pulling a trailer!
@68dcarver
6 жыл бұрын
GREAT ADVICE!! You are about 3 hours west of me (Burley, Idaho) at the point of your video and there are mountains in every direction. More than once I have seen trucks stranded with no brakes left and even once where tires/brakes had burned. Scary that so many people tow with no idea how to manage the mountains. My only other advice is know what is in front of you and if you or your vehicle can't handle it take a different route.
@BillByrd74
6 жыл бұрын
Be still my heart, a new loloho video!
@LongLongHoneymoon
6 жыл бұрын
You are too kind!
@johnlovero
6 жыл бұрын
Sean, I sincerely hope that your health in improving and that both of you are happy.
@jasoncarpp7742
6 жыл бұрын
I love your humour. "Idaho, no! Yudaho!" ROFFL!
@Seareay1
6 жыл бұрын
I use my gears even in my car. I live just off the top of the Cajon Pass, I-15, in CA and have witnessed a trucker using the runaway ramp.
@TomCooper
6 жыл бұрын
Mountain Directory East and Mountain Directory West (books) are great sources of info about the hill up ahead.
@josea5949
6 жыл бұрын
Sean, like your new glasses. Very retro
@bullboss7698
6 жыл бұрын
Very Nerdy.
@jeffreyengle2762
4 жыл бұрын
Just looks like the guy in the movie, “Falling Down”..... don’t even try to sell this guy a coke for 85 cents😉
@JimmyLewAndAndyToo
5 жыл бұрын
How anyone can give your episodes a thumbs down is beyond me ... you guys do an incredible job and even mix in some humor ... safe travels ... we will be watching ...
@haqitman
6 жыл бұрын
I don't know anything about towing, but that drive is over the Blue Mountains between Pendleton and La Grande, Oregon. Been there many times. You missed the turn off to highway 82 to Joseph / Wallowa Lake, your next favorite camping spot.
@timsexton8146
6 жыл бұрын
When I get to the crest of a mountain, I slow down so I’m not running the speed limit or about when I reach the crest. I sometimes set the cruise to the slower speed and then the computer and transmission will work together to help keep the speed down and I descend. You hit on all the other things that we all should be doing Great job!
@KeithCronk33
6 жыл бұрын
Had disk brakes fitted to 5th wheel. They should be standard. Made a huge difference - tow vehicle F250 diesel. Would recommend it for any towed RV that is around 30" or longer
@Aaron-P
6 жыл бұрын
A good rule of thumb: whatever gear you used on the way up is the one you need on the way down (this works best on theoretical mountains with perfectly symmetry, of course). Also, if you need to apply the service brakes, slow a bit more aggressively than you might on flat ground and keep applying them until ~5mph below your target speed. This will give them some extra time under engine braking to cool off for the next time they're needed. Keep on truckin'!!!
@DeeloGoodquest
3 жыл бұрын
God bless you folks I’m pulling an RV for the first time and just hit a neighborhood with super steep grades with a 20 mile an hour speed limit I didn’t know what the hell was going on. Great advice on using the lower gears. God bless y’all!!!
@kengraham9925
5 жыл бұрын
Coming down from Grand Tetons a couple years ago in an F150 towing a 24 ft trailer I noticed that downshifting (the F-150 didn't have a real good tow/haul mode) and braking was not cutting it. Brakes were getting squishier and squishier. Managed to barely get off the road and stop in a turn out. Yes, the truck brakes were plenty hot. Strangely enough, the trailer brakes were quite cool. From trip to trip, always check and readjust the power going to your trailer brakes. I had not done this and on the flat it seemed to be working fine. When we hit that grade, not so much. I know if I'd gone a couple more miles they would have failed and we'd been in the bottom of a canyon.
@hughseagraves7036
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I'm thinking about buying a small travel trailer and I go to Colorado a lot. Like others have said, don't ride your brakes or they may overheat and fail. I came over Wolf Creek Pass about a year ago before I learned to engine brake and my brakes were smoking half way down. Got them checked and replaced just to be safe. And keep your speed down.
@Luv2camp316
7 ай бұрын
I learned from driving a big rig - cardinal rule is NEVER go down the hill in a gear greater than the one you used to clime the hill. If you have a gas engine that has no engine brake this becomes even more important. And learn how to identify a runaway truck ramp. If your brakes have faded or failed due to too much use, as scary as it is, the runaway ramp is your best chance to walk away from a bad situation. Good advice in this video is take your time. Absolutely!
@camperjack2620
6 жыл бұрын
A cool thing to add to your store would be the Hot Hands Toe Warmers. I buy a 40 pack at least every winter. BTW, I love the scenery included in your shows. I drove a semi for a while, drivng down slower takes less braking power. Ie, 55 vs 70, or 45 vs 55. We were taught say, a firm quick (not a stab) slowdown about 5 mph, and then let it build up that 5 mph, and brake again. If you have the right engine braking setting, and are going slow enough down the grade, there is sometimes not very much need to use the brake pedal. Assuming the brake controller is adjusted correctly to match trailer braking power to truck, they do not recommend using trailer brakes only, but the tow vehicle brake pedal should be applying braking power to all the wheels. Many miles. no problem using these procedures. Enjoy your trips and keep posting!!!
@scottcarpenter2317
6 жыл бұрын
Hello love your videos, I used to drive fire engine in the mountains. I was trained on what ever gear you drive up hill, use one gear lower to start out with down hill, keep the rpm below 3× break until drops down by 1000 to 1500 rpm coast back up to 3000 rpm saves on breaks and better control of vehicle.
@dirtroadsailing6418
6 жыл бұрын
Most newer trucks (if not all) built in the last 5 years or so automatically downshift in tow haul mode when you use your brakes. Never ride your brakes down hill to maintain a speed, brake to a desired speed and then leave your foot off of the brake completely to allow them to cool. If your speed increases 5 or 10 miles an hour repeat as necessary.
@araftofwanderingotters206
6 жыл бұрын
For over two years and 7K miles, I have towed a Jayco Hummingbird 17FD with our 2005 Honda Pilot. Honda says my SUV can safely tow 4500 pounds, if a boat, and 3500 pounds, if a travel or utility trailer. So, I am at or near capacity and am diligent about checking my transmission for any extra damage. I am happy to say, so far, there have been no signs of such. I was just watching the troubles Traveling Robert has recently had with his much lighter SUV towing an even heavier trailer than our's. I believe my downshifting has enabled our transmission to survive. On truly steep grades down or up, I will shift to D2, as needed, since the Pilot does not have a "Tow/Haul" feature. For all other towing, I will only drive in D3. Worse mileage, but much better torque and, knock on wood, less wear on the transmission and drivetrain. Honestly, I truly hope this message gets out, some people seem clueless about how to tow. For example, just because you can legally drive 75 MPH while towing, does not mean you should. In short, every non-professional that is towing should drive like grandma and keep to the right. I have been driving, not towing, but heavily loaded, on a steep grade and lost my brakes in an old '62 Chevy panel truck with drum brakes. Brakes heated up and failed. I caught the play in the brakes and, just in time, pulled off the road, where we rested, changed out underwear, and allowed the brakes to cool. It was a manual drive, so, what I should have down was shift down, even more, to 1st. I was young and even dumber then, than I am now- and that's saying much.
@scenicdriveways6708
6 жыл бұрын
I live at the base of the Bighorn Mountains and I've seen people burn up their transmissions going "up hill' because they didn't downshift. They fill their fresh water tank , fill the fridges and pantries , and take everything from their house with them and then try to tow their campers up RT14 in Drive ( and in over drive ) without down shifting. I've seen SUV smoking so bad you'd think they're on fire , but it's their transmission.
@rcheas4894
6 жыл бұрын
Learned to down shift many many years ago in Jeeps off-road. The same applies to my current 32,000lb motor coach or a truck pulling a trailer. Gear down and let engine braking do the work. Your truck and trailer brakes will hit excessive heating if you ride them down a mountain descent. Possibly causing a wreck or massive brake damage. And I’m with you I don’t ever want to try out the runaway truck lane😎
@rkwill100
6 жыл бұрын
the most important item I have found is act early, before things are out of control.
@TheJcdm327
6 жыл бұрын
I've read a lot of the comments here and most of them offer good advice. I've been a trucker for over 30 years and if I have learned anything technology is a good thing. 30 years ago I didn't have the luxury of Jake Brakes or exhaust brakes. I had a R model Mack with 350 horses and a 5 speed transmission. Still had to run mountains and I feel fortunate to have survived the poor training I received. My best advice is to have more tow vehicle than you need and utilize all braking technology available to you. Truckers generally get training. RV'ers are basically handed the keys with thank you and a handshake as the dealer wishes you well. 30 years ago I pulled 80,000 pounds down mountains without a Jake Brake and I am lucky to be alive. Today I can go down the same mountains with 80,000 lbs and hardly ever use my brakes. I pull a 5500# travel trailer with a 2017 Titan XD with a 5.0 Cummins diesel. It's more truck than I need. This past summer we went through the Cumberland gap from Wheeling to Washington DC and back. I set the cruise at 68mph and never had to touch my brakes, not one time. Up and down mountains never hitting the brakes. Well except for the idiot at the bottom of the Wheeling bypass I-470 who thought it was a good idea to merge into 65mph traffic at 45mph...and there was the other moron who was bent on driving in the hammer lane 15 mph below the posted speed limit. Even so the Titan's diesel, Asin transmission and tow package was up to the task. My point is that if you are going to pull an 8,000# TT through the mountains with a half-ton pick up truck...without any experience or extra features you're living on the edge. Don't forget that helmet.
@littleaub2145
3 жыл бұрын
Well i have hauled 40 foot travel trailers and fifth wheels up and down some steep hills, and first thing is to do what you said, use what you have, first thing put it in your head not to worry about the one or ones that are behind you, you need to go the speed or ten mills an hour as you go down the hills, use your exhaust brake, if you have it, and you should, then use your next lower gear, like out of drive and into 3rd gear, and just remember, if your up setting the one behind you, they can pass or put up with it, you just need to drive your self and rig down the hill, grate video guys, all good stuff.
@dje7335
Жыл бұрын
My motto and you said it; "Don't worry about the ones behind you". EVER!
@BKD70
6 жыл бұрын
Hi guys! NO exhaust brake on my 2002 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Duramax. Never have driven the mountains, but I was taught years ago to use the brakes to get 10mph under your target speed, and then release, and let the engine/transmission hold it back and let the brakes cool... when you reach target speed, brake to slow 10 below again, etc etc. Seems to work here in the "hills" of S. IL... we have some steep hills, but they're not very long... but this works surprisingly well.
@bobpeach4530
6 жыл бұрын
Make sure that you are fully set up as you Crest the hill. Be at the speed you want to be at the top of the hill before you start your decent then all your other tools will work properly.
@dieselmax8606
6 жыл бұрын
for people with a diesel...a pacbrake (exhaust brake) works as soon as you deaccellerate. This mod gives your rig a lot more control. It also saves your brake pads and rotors. It is matched for each individual vehicles transmission shifts and is so worth the money to have put in.
@kackeroo
6 жыл бұрын
My Jeep has paddle shifters. Very handy. I can descend almost any grade with rarely having to apply (briefly) the brakes. As long as I anticipate and shift down at the right time. And as long as no one jacks me up by panicking in front of me.
@BarryandKaren
5 жыл бұрын
36' Class A Diesel Pusher with Cummins ISB 6.7L and Allison 6-speed, towing Jeep Cherokee. 31K lbs GCWR. I have found that when descending a long hill, with exhaust brake engaged, I downshift 1 gear (to 5th) for hills 4% or under, 2 gears (to 4th) for up to 5%-6% grade, 3 gears (3rd) for 7%-9% grade and anything steeper than that, 4 gears (2nd). I do this with flashers on just before the downgrade starts, and set the cruise control to the appropriate speed in my selected gear that matches a starting RPM of 2200RPM. I stab the brakes at 2900 RPM to bring the RPM back down to 2200 RPM if necessary, and then let the brakes cool until / if the rig again reaches 2900 RPM. This technique works well for me.
@lindagross8112
6 жыл бұрын
Haven't ever had a runaway vehicle, but been in some pretty rank grades. Nearly got stalled out on Trinidad Pass several years ago. Happy trails.
@davidtribolet2667
6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, great information as usual. The only thing I would add would be leave plenty of distance between you and the vehicle directly in front of you. As you know, extra weight means longer stopping distances.
@jeffreyengle2762
4 жыл бұрын
Lots of info real good on your channel, where it falls short, is when you don’t have a house to call home base, your living in that truck/trailer as your only home..... things change considerably.
@lukesmith9648
6 жыл бұрын
Hey. Welcome to my neighborhood! Hope you enjoyed the area.
@lynnpappas4049
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a retired long haul driver, having hauled inevery stste of the US and from one side to the other in Canada. That said one of the things I would add is start out at the top of the grade in your lowest gear and at a LOW rate of speed. Also, if at all possible, stop before you head down and check out you btraks. It will be a stop well worth while.
@greg9323
6 жыл бұрын
Not all trucks have exhaust brakes but I do believe newer trucker now have this is equipped with a tow package. The best advice I can give, slow down before descending down a grade and use a lower gear along with your exhaust braking system.
@billycav75
6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I live in Arkansas lot of flat land. I've been planning to go to Colorado. Been worrying about the mountains. My trailer is about 2000lb under my vehicle capacity. You've gave me more convenience to go ahead and go.
@Jollyprez
5 жыл бұрын
Coming down Siskiyou pass northbound into Oregon in a 31' Bluebird bus with hydraulic brakes - experienced severe brake fade before the "last big left turn" those of you familiar with the route. Luckily, stomping on the brake and no traffic, and I avoided any problems. Also experienced brake fade in a 35' Bluebird with air brakes on an unexpectedly VERY steep ( 14? ) no warning, but was able to stop before any problems. I don't tell my wife about these events...
@RMASGT
6 жыл бұрын
My old tow vehicle, a 1985 Suburban with a 454 V8 and only a 3 spd automatic transmission did a very good job holding back the truck and trailer on long descents. It didn't have a tow mode, just big honking pistons! My 2014 Titan has more horse power and torque, but being a smaller engine it doesn't do it quite as well (although it does it good enough).
@allens7476
6 жыл бұрын
I'm not aware of a exhaust brake except on diesel engines. Diesels have no compression braking, so the exhaust brake mimics taking your foot off the gas in a gas vehicle. I crossed the rockies many times on I-70 and going down was more stressful than up. I kept the speed to 55, and if it wandered up to 60 I'd apply a little brake. Never ride the brakes. Lower gears are great but watch your RPM too. Being at the red line doesn't help. Eventually, you'll be down and can take a breath. I always look forward to your videos, and I find myself going back through old ones too.
@bobbayne
6 жыл бұрын
Thankfully I have an Allison Transmission! Your ideas and suggestions are awesome.
@jerrydaminato743
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. We use tow haul and gear down. My concern is ice on a mountain...go slowly!
@Wally2011
6 жыл бұрын
This would have been an excellent video two weeks ago when we were evacuating with our camper from the hurricane 😂. Thanks for these videos!!
@explorenaked
6 жыл бұрын
I live in the mountains just west of Denver. I frequently go to the city. I do not tow a trailer but I always use the gearing in my truck when I head down the mountain. Rarely do I use my brakes. I can always tell when the truckers or rver's are using their brakes. Ahh the wonderful smell of brake pads or they're on fire at the bottom of the hill. I'm not joking, it happens more than you think. USE THOSE GEARS!!!!!
@dougallen8466
5 жыл бұрын
We can push the end of our transmission stalk and find sport mode. It holds the truck in a gear or speed nicely. Very little braking. We have a 2016 F-150 with the 2.7 eco burst twin turbo which puts out 325 HP and 373 ft pounds of torque. We also have the rear end gears for towing, and a full tow package on our truck, which is also 4x4 and a off road package too!
@jimloth6091
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks to some inspiration from your videos we want to make an Alaska trip someday. I'm sure this info will come in handy!
@dennishumston9270
6 жыл бұрын
I had an exhaust brake added to my 7.3 2001 F-350 ..It works 100 % . Thanks for your tips . LOVE your videos .
@RV4X40com
6 жыл бұрын
We have a motor home pulling a Jeep, so not quite the same as towing a trailer but similar. In our case, on a steep uphill we will slow down significantly since the RV is fully loaded and towing a 5000 pound vehicle. One rule is to go down the hill in the same gear (or lower) that you went up. Crossing mountain passes at 12,000 feet in the Rockies on Colorado 9 which has really sharp curves, we went up and down in 1st gear. Normally I barely use the brakes going down in the right gear with the exhaust brake on. If I do, it is a quick stab to get the vehicle slowed down again and then coast for a while.
@mbzplay
6 жыл бұрын
I stay old school, I use manual transmission tow vehicles (Ram) so you never forget about the gears! [Ram v10 5 speed has 225,000 miles with 41' fifth wheel]
@texsox
6 жыл бұрын
If possible check the road ahead. In Colorado we came to a sharp turn that required we slow to about 20 once we rounded the curve we were in a very steep gravel upgrade. We lost traction half way up and ended up sliding back downhill while needing to negotiate that curve in reverse. Remember no steering unless the wheels are turning, but I needed to lock the brakes to keep my speed slow. Hotels were looking good at that point.
@Gr8LakesCamper
6 жыл бұрын
Great information! If I ever get the time off from work to drive somewhere outside the Great Lakes region, I'll be sure to watch this again.
@allanmen
4 жыл бұрын
I have a Lexus RX350 F-Sport with a tent trailer (fully loaded, about 2800 pounds)... On the flat interstates, I comfortably cruise about 75 mph, but as soon as I hit the mountain passes, I automatically slow to 65 to go up and slow to 50-55 at most to go down. As I crest, I always make sure I drop a gear or two (I have an 8 speed) less than what I would need to go up the hill. The 7% grades, I rarely have to tap the breaks... On the odd cases with the 10%, eg. Teton Pass in Wyoming, I make sure I am not going more than 30 mph when cresting and start slowing at 35 mph. After a long mountain grades (8 miles or longer), I will also pull over to use a digital thermometer to check my break temperatures to ensure I am not over heating them (I never have, but it is peace of mind).
@denniswoods3909
6 жыл бұрын
Good video. The only other thing I would add is that while you can't completely ignore what's in your rearview mirror, don't worry about it too much. Go at a speed that YOU feel safe with. Having said that, if you see 4 or 5 or more vehicles stacked up behind you, be courteous and pull over as soon as you can do so safely and let them pass.
@arthurlucas4920
6 жыл бұрын
PS... you both look great! Glad to hear you beat it!
@allanwarmflash5165
6 жыл бұрын
well done always have the best tires you can afford
@CharlesinGA
5 жыл бұрын
On a diesel, unless you have had an exhaust brake installed (such as a Pac Brake) you probably don't have one. Big trucks have "Jake Brakes" that make the tat, tat, tat noise when operated, but pickups do not. Diesels do have "engine braking" just like gasoline engines do, but not quite as effective due to the lack of a throttle butterfly to restrict intake air flow. Newer trucks, use tow haul and when you tap the brake the transmission lock up clutch locks (if not already locked) and downshifts, another tap of the brake, downshifts again, and so forth. Properly installed exhaust brake on new(er) truck will also lock the torque converter clutch when the driver engages the exhaust brake. Slow down and gear down BEFORE starting down the grade.
@flawlessvic
2 жыл бұрын
Nice comment thx.
@frankcates3909
4 жыл бұрын
You asked if we had any scary experiences towing that became a dangerous situation. Yes. heading downhill with a 25' older trailer and the tow vehicle was a short Bronco. Bad combination when the unexpected happened. It was down hill and a sweeping curve in the road that caused the trailer to start swaying upon braking, and that was even with a proper weight distribution hitch. I had a trailer years prior, a lighter and smaller one where this dangerous issue never had occurred before. So never assume everything will be the same when you switch trailers and or tow vehicles. In the first place, select a tow vehicle that is able to mussel the trailer into submission, not the trailer pushing and overpowering the tow vehicle. I somehow managed to get that violent swaying to slow down miraculously by the skin of my teeth. I don't think it can ever be over emphasized, that it's not just the size of the engine that determines one's ability to haul safely. Much thought and care has to be put forth in matching both truck and trailer. Knowing what could have and almost did happen still scares me today 40 years later, because my whole family could have been lost that day. One can still drive through beautiful mountain scenery, taking in the view, but never be so relaxed that you forget how to regain control when the unexpected road hazard suddenly confronts you. And as they told me in driving class after being on the road for over 20 years, 'check your mirrors every 5 seconds or so'. Does that seem excessive? It is not. Rather it keeps you alert. After heading out and driving a few hours one can easily become complacent. It's better to slow down, take a coffee break, stretch those legs, get some fresh cool air in those lungs. Hey, maybe even do some calisthenics. Happy trails. Frank
@rvingmylifeaway8295
4 ай бұрын
It's funny how no one ever mentioned what gear you use when coming down a 6 or 10% grade. I have heard some people say they use 3rd or 4th gear on a 6% grade. I think that is what people like me want to hear. I have never towed in the mountains and would like to know what gear to use in which situation. I know there are different variables to take into account, but just give suggestions on what to use. Thank you for your time.
@gtillen
4 жыл бұрын
Well, once while hauling 9 yds of concrete in a mixer truck down a steep grade, the brake pedal broke off at the floor board! Fortunately it w a s straight, "no other vehicles around" situation in N Dakota so I was able to ride to the bottom. Later I found out the pedal had broken off before and welded back on (poorly! LOL) Good advice LOLOHO! Driving from So Cal to NW Wa for Thanksgiving.
@johnhines3591
6 жыл бұрын
So, 6 days ago, going from Jackson WY to West Yellowstone, whent over Teton pass.. HOLY CRAP !! Found the limits of my F-150... Towing a 5500 lb trailer, 7 miles of 10% grade... Had to drop into 1st gear to make the top of pass, at 15 mph !! Engine temp was fine , but trans. temp started to climb... Total Max of my truck. Then down 7 miles of 10% !! With current set up, NOT doing that pass again !! Should have towed though Yellowstone.....
@RMASGT
6 жыл бұрын
Check to see if you have a 4.1 rear gear ratio. A friend of mine complained about his F-150's performance and I suggested he check his gear ratio. He did and had Ford change it to 4.1. It made a big difference.
@MikeNaples
6 жыл бұрын
Curious as to which year/engine you have, I have '16 5.0 and wondering about its capabilities. I know what they are on paper but not in real life.
@johnhines3591
6 жыл бұрын
@@MikeNaples 2011, 5.0 2wd standard tow package, I believe the max. tow package would have had lower rear end gears. That was one long, steep pass. Never had any problems on any other pass before. Live in Washington, roll all of them just fine. Could have been 7,000 ft pass as part of the problem.
@MikeNaples
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.
@bigtrucklittlerv7969
6 жыл бұрын
Forrest McClure No new LD trucks have 410's anymore
@PhotographybyTimWMoore
3 жыл бұрын
U- Tah- Me so much about towing my RV.
@pauljdowney
4 жыл бұрын
I have a 40 foot allegro bus but the concepts apply to other rigs. When you climb you want to be down shifted and slowed down in the climb. The reason is you do not want the transmission to be doing hard shifts at high power settings if you have an automatic.. This is really hard on the transmission. Look up your maximum horsepower rpm and redline rpm. Pick a relatively high rpm to climb at that gives you maybe a 10% cushion so you do not exceed red line and throw a code. Be patient and work your throttle to maintain your chosen rpm in the climb. You will hear your engine coolant fan(s) cycling on and off in the climb. This technique is easy on your rig and minimize repairs. On the way down, look at the signs and know the grade ahead of time. Use a rv/trucking gps that warns you of grades. If you think you can just hold 65mph like you always do you are badly mistaken. You must plan the descent with only engine braking not rig and trailer braking. The amount of energy you have to get rid of is huge and can not be dissipated with friction brakes. The maximum energy per minute that compression braking/engine braking/exhaust brakes can get rid of is a hard number. My rig can go about 425 hp positive hp under ideal conditions and negative 320 hp in full exhaust brakes at redline. So, you need to plan to be down shifted and slowed down as you crest and start down. A six gear rig may be in 4th gear with the exhaust brakes off initially. You hold the gear and cycle your exhaust brakes as needed. No friction brakes are used unless you are approaching redline and must slow down to catch a lower gear. You try to avoid an automatic transmission doing shifts by itself at high negative horsepower. It is hard on the transmission. Know what speed your transmission will down shift and stay above this. This is just a quickie look at climbs and descents....
@joecool509
6 жыл бұрын
Cabbage hill. Famous especially during winter
@tonyhodges2929
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for sharing . One question can you still use your three lower gear while in tow haul mode.
@ridgetaylor60
6 жыл бұрын
Overheated brakes fade. As you say, use all the arrows in your quiver. My tow vehicle auto down shifts if I tap the brakes to slow. Good info in this video. Thanks.
@brentjohnson6654
6 жыл бұрын
Haha “Use the gears, Luke”. Love it
@janishunter4147
6 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for the info!! you guys are a joy to watch! :)
@SF-fm7ov
Жыл бұрын
I love you guys but feel you misstated something. 2.09 I think you said if you have Tow/Haul then you have an exhaust brake. Most trucks have Tow/Haul mode which changes gear shift points and may engage grade shifting of your transmission. Exhaust brakes, however, are only found on turbocharged engines, mostly turbo charged diesel post 2011. They restrict the exhaust by closing veins in the turbo which controls engine speed which acts like a brake but without the wear and tear of conventional brakes. Exhaust brakes are a game changer in the mountains.
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