Ran Debian Testing when I first got into Linux for a gaming computer I built, it was a fantastic experience with the frequent mesa versions and kernel updates, everything worked. I enjoy running Sid nowadays since it's nice to help out the maintainers with submitting bug reports and whatnot whenever they appear
@theplaymakerno1
6 ай бұрын
I migrated from KZitem ordinary content to Excellent DJ Ware Content. The best KZitemr for me :)
@fib_nm6110
26 күн бұрын
Thanks, your video helped me recover my system from kernel panic after i tried to switch to testing myself!
@CyberGizmo
26 күн бұрын
welcome, @fib@nm6110 glad it helped out!
@thomasdial8664
6 ай бұрын
I've been using Debian for over 30 years, mostly stable. My usual practice is to upgrade a few images to testing about half way through the current stable cycle. It usually is reasonably stable by then. There have been a few glitches, but only a few. The worst was a few days without video, which took care of itself with the normal flow of updates. I strongly recommend using the excellent guide in the release notes. Those for the current release can be used, changing release references appropriately. But you are, as said, on your own.
@AndreaBorman
Ай бұрын
I have just upgraded from Debian Bookworm on one of my laptops to Debian Trixie and everything went very well. I now have Gnome 46 which is now the latest version on Ubuntu which have released their new LTS version. I know this video was made 5 months ago but I think Debian will release Debian 13 soon. Which will be Trixie. So it's not really so much in Beta mode now as most of the software on Trixie is already on other Linux Distros. I have had no problems at all with Trixie and I am surprised how stable it is. Some of the software from bookworm is still on trixie because Debian does not update all software. From my experience so far I think Trixie will be an even better release than Debian Bookworm. Because there is some really nice new software on there. It also has Kernel 6.10 which is ahead of Ubuntu. Although that doesn't matter to me so long as everything works.
@aflawrence
6 ай бұрын
This came at the perfect time as I have been debating on making the switch to Debian testing. Based on my research it seems to be relatively stable (compared to bleeding edge distros) and yet offers possibility to get newer packges. Looks like I may be spininng up a proxmox VM to give this a spain with Plasma 6.
@stepannovotny4291
6 ай бұрын
Awesome overview! Not detailed enough for newbies but perfect for me.
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@noviembreee
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video! I watched it after blindly upgrading my system. I didn't run into many problems, but you gave a good overview of the benefits and risks and some useful pointers with editing sources.list and running os-prober on multiboot systems.
@Innocentdarkness72
6 ай бұрын
A good week !!
@rafa6536
4 ай бұрын
I use Debian stable. For those few GUI apps which I need them at current version I use flatpak. For eg PHP, Node I use custom repos so I have newer versions in my Debian Stable than they are in SID. So this argument for switching because Debian Stable has old software is just not true. Debian Stable always works and do not require my time updating things or fixing things. But respect for those who use SID and fill bug reports.
@CRYPTiCEXiLE
6 ай бұрын
Great Vdieo DJ Ware!
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@juhapenttila5733
6 ай бұрын
this remindes me using Debian testing before year 2000..., net install...
@vincei4252
6 ай бұрын
Thanks DJ. I'll be moving to Debian soon - Ubuntu here for now. Will you be assessing the TCP performance improvements Google submitted to the kernel recently? I saw a video claiming 40% in some scenarios.
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Yeah at some point, I saw that claim as well, so i wrote it down to test it. Welcome to the Debian side :)
@vincei4252
6 ай бұрын
@@CyberGizmo I am embracing the dark side!
@wildmanjeff42
6 ай бұрын
I've been using Debian stable for 4 years, and love it. Even Steam gaming is easy to get running (I am not hardcore tweaker ). Think you'll like it !
@MatthewSuffidy
6 ай бұрын
Weird thing is I am using 'Trixie' on my Odroid C1+ because so far it is the only dietpi release with video output, which works mostly properly.
@mzs114
Ай бұрын
Use backports and then Appimages, flatpaks and snaps. Don't change to Debian testing, unless you know what you are doing.
@CaratacusAD
11 күн бұрын
Gnome doesn't look right for 46, it still has the activities button.
@mikehosken4328
6 ай бұрын
I use Sid and testing for desktop and stable for my servers. I’ve never had an issue. I have noticed that with security issues in testing they normally pull the latest version into the repository that has cve’s fixed. I also use the testing cd installer.
@owlmostdead9492
6 ай бұрын
Why even bother with Debian unstable if there are so many better alternatives, if you want stability AND new packages it's Fedora SilverBlue/OpenSUSE Aeon(immutable) or OpenSUSE TumbleWeed (mutable).
@GabrielGutierrez
6 ай бұрын
Hi DJ, amazing videos !! Where do you get your wallpapers from? They look great.
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Thank you @GabrielGutierrez. I just search for Cyberpunk ones and pick one I like that is free LOL. I really like CyberPunk and always have, even before there was a game called Cyberpunk
@mzs114
Ай бұрын
Please create basic videos about Debian for windows users.
@elalemanpaisa
5 ай бұрын
To me one way sounds a bit odd as testing is debian next.. just replace the name testing with the new project name and wait until its stable again 😂😂
@K6ORJ
3 ай бұрын
I have been running 'Debian Testing' since 'Potato' and I can't remember ever having my system break after an update. Don't believe "Stable" is a good option for a competent non-corporate Linux desktop user. I'm not willing to deal with the headaches that Arch world cause.
@savagepro9060
6 ай бұрын
Is Debian 'Testing' on par with Red Hat's 'Fedora'?
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
You mean for versions of packages? It should actually be working with the paclages Fedora is working on for Fedora 40. The testing release of Debian will only use LTS versions of the kernel though, so their default is a 6.6 kernel, where Fedora 39 is on 6.7.x at the moment.
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Also Fedora will probably go to 6.8, in a week or two, I see it dropped as a full release today
@mzs114
Ай бұрын
Yes, so Ubuntu is derived from Debian testing.
@tsiiphsycoii
6 ай бұрын
If you are going to do this why not use a rolling release with 'stable' and 'unstable' packages, or the ability to pick specific package versions (like Gentoo)? Finding myself using a bunch of unstable packages on Devuan (Debian without Systemd) made me swap back to Gentoo for my daily driver.
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
I guess you missed the last video on kernel builds, I started on Debian, and compiled the kernel, this video is a follow on to that one to update the package base to support the new kernel. For this series it wouldn't make a lot of sense to say, "ok you built the kernel on Debian so for the next step we are switching to Arch or Gentoo". But sure you can start on any of the 600+ distros out there.
@tsiiphsycoii
6 ай бұрын
I did watch your last video, and again I would ask why? Use a distro that makes it easy, like Gentoo 😅
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
@@tsiiphsycoii not sure what you are asking me. The first video was based on a question from a viewer "How do I compile a linux kernel on Debain?". Make sense now?
@tsiiphsycoii
6 ай бұрын
Yes it does. Content is content 🙂
@tsiiphsycoii
6 ай бұрын
@@CyberGizmoJust to clarify, I am not trying to 'hate' I love your videos 👌
@BykFernando-p2d
29 күн бұрын
Debian Sid is like Arch?
@someone01233
25 күн бұрын
Yeah kinda
@amiraloi1694
6 ай бұрын
I have a question DJ, would you choose fedora or opensuse tw over debian testing packages for more stability? Or do you consider them close to eachother?
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
I don't use just one distribution for my work, I have a mix of servers where most of them run Debian 12, a couple of them run Ubuntu Server because its the only distro supported on those two arm platforms, I have Fedora Server which I use to test new ideas. Debian I use for its stability, in my experience Fedora is ok, but I have a few worries about them, with IBM laying off quite a few of their project team members. I have not used SUSE based distro since 1998, so I am the wrong person to ask about them. For a workstation distro I use Fedora for my demo platform where I produce tutorials, and I have an Arch based Workstation which I use because I need the advanced features to support an Intel Meteor Lake laptop, which for the most part works pretty well. I am using that platform to learn more about localized AI processing, the only use I have found for AI in my workflow is converting audio in my video to generate very accurate text for closed captions, I am not doing this regularly in my videos, but I have used it in two of them so far. None of them are close enough to each other unless I am using Docker based applications, in that case the distro features I look for there are cybersecurity, encryption and container management. Hope that helps
@zyghom
6 ай бұрын
I upgrade but I ended up on: "Linux debiantesting 6.6.15-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.6.15-2 (2024-02-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux" - but why 6.6? Second: no docker in trixie?
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
6.6 might be set to default? do you know if 6.7.9 is showing up in the list of choices?
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Dunno about docker will check and get back to you.
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Just checked I see it in the list of packages, did you have it as a ppa perhaps? I was using the one in the repo
@zyghom
6 ай бұрын
@@CyberGizmo no ppa, pure Debian 12 stable
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
@@zyghom interesting, I just checked my docker server also running Debian and I see I installed it via the ppa, using the docker install instructions from the docker website, I think they might be migrating to podman as I notice the podman.docker package is there but docker-ce is missing
@anasouardini
6 ай бұрын
I feel like Debian "Stable" is not really that stable: - I got a ethernet not working about 5 months ago, and the error completely gone after reinstalling another Debian from different ISO. - I3-wm has a memory leak, but only on Debian: none of the Arch-BTW and Tumbleweed users I know have this issue. - X11 crashes when doing memory intensive stuff, in my case, it was a tool called Playwright (e2e testing tool) that has memory issues, but people I know are using the exact same version on Ubuntu with no issues. It does other weird stuff that I can't classify as good or bad, intentional or bug, etc such as using a swap partition from another Debian installation on a different drive. But I still find Debian to be the most sane of them all.
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
That would not be a Debian issue, as drivers come from the kernel. You say it works in other distros, which version of the kernel were you running when it worked?
@anasouardini
6 ай бұрын
@@CyberGizmo I feel very dumb for not checking the kernel versions, I'll try different versions to see if the bugs go away. Thank you. But should'd Debian only ship compatible stuff with other compatible stuff? or maybe only does that for the server aspect of things? I imagine it's really hard to test compatibility of everything with everything else. For the time being, I'll keep Distrobox as my best friend for these tough times :)
@rikhardfsoss
6 ай бұрын
why not just going SID? been using it for the last 2 years without a single problem, just have to look at what apt is doing.
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Essentially you are using Sid, there is just the difference of having the packages checked so we don't have a repeat of what happened a few years ago when someone planted malware inside of a package.
@rikhardfsoss
6 ай бұрын
@@CyberGizmothat's interesting, never thought about that, although there are quite a few packages that are more bleeding edge on SID than on Testing, it really depends on what we need.
@RafaCoringaProducoes
6 ай бұрын
DJ aint it easier to install the testing iso?
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
The testing iso is more for testing the debian installer as I recall.
@CRYPTiCEXiLE
6 ай бұрын
gnome 46 looks like gnome 44 or 43 u sure its upgraded ?
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
well all i know is the version comes up 46, but the wallpaper for 46 wasnt there, so might be a RC, instead of the one they released a couple of days ago.
@shambles9
6 ай бұрын
debian sux since they went non-free 👎
@savagepro9060
6 ай бұрын
Debian does not make any money from the sale of CDs. At the same time, money is needed to pay for expenses such as domain registration and hardware. Thus, we ask that you buy from one of the CD vendors that donates a portion of your purchase to Debian. ‘Paying’ is optional. Boo!
@shambles9
6 ай бұрын
@@savagepro9060ah sorry, i didn't mean non-free as in non-free cost, i meant free as in freedom from proprietary software. debian used to be fully non-free until late 2022 when the maintainers of debian voted to include non-free firmware in their installer without a free option (either via the installation process or alternate installer). the vote was called 'General Resolution: non-free firmware'.
@shambles9
6 ай бұрын
@@savagepro9060ah sorry by 'non-free' i don't mean 'free' as in no cost. i mean free as in freedrom from proprietary software. in late 2022 the maintainers of Debian voted to include non-free drivers in a vote called 'General Resolution: non-free firmware'.
@savagepro9060
6 ай бұрын
@@shambles9 Ah, OK!
@CyberGizmo
6 ай бұрын
Finally getting some time to answer some of these comments. Debian did not add non-free, they added non-free-firmware. The reason is simple, most of the device manufactures refuse (like NVIDIA) to publish their device drivers as open source. There are other companies as well. People over the years have been complaining that Debian doesn't support enough hardware devices, or too slow in getting new versions of the kernel out to support the latest and greatest devices (WIFI 6e, WIFI 7, bluetooth, higher speed ethernet, graphics cards, even new more powerful CPUs). As for the free as in free-beer, you might want to look for a video I did talking about how the GPL is dying, only 15% of open source projects use it anymore, corporations are even going so far as forcing developers to use permissive licenses (non-GPL licenses)...
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