My whole family is from Texas. I was educated in Texas schools. I was taught Texas history in 7th grade like every other Texas student. I am a Texan and I lived with the myth of the Alamo most of my life. We have bastardized it for our own purposes for far too long. That structure has more history than just those 13 days. This is not an attempt to rewrite history it is an attempt to unearth the actual history and not cherry-pick what we want.
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
No it’s revisionism because it posits that slavery was the main reason for the Texas revolution when it was a factor not the main one.
@unvoicedrocktx3739
2 жыл бұрын
@@spearfisherman308 Is that Lost Cause mythology peeking out of your argument? It sure smells like it.
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
@@unvoicedrocktx3739 it's a fact not lost cause it has nothing to do with the civil war.
@unvoicedrocktx3739
2 жыл бұрын
@@spearfisherman308 The new Texans didn't want slavery despite opposition from the Mexican gov't? That stinks of Lost Cause... which also didn't have anything to do with the American Civil War.
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
@@unvoicedrocktx3739 nope that’s not what I said the main issue was the fact that Santa Ana changed the constitution which cancelled a lot of the independence that the different regions of Mexico had also lots of the Alamo defenders weren’t slave owners but like I said slavery was one factor not the main factor and sam Houston opposed succession.
@bryanrobinson3892
3 жыл бұрын
Let’s chop it up. My problem is that my 1986 7th grade (full year) history teacher never told us the Mexicans were abolitionist. Never mentioned how SFA had to fight México City to keep the Texas slaves in chains, never mentioned that southerners were reluctant to immigrate to Texas b/c the slaves might be freed. Instead we were taught SFA & Jim Bowie were great men & basically to hate gen Santa Anna because he was against freedom. Consider the irony? I love Texas is my home but being mislead troubles me. This video did not address the facts.
@erickq432
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
Because this book is not facts
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a straw man they never marched to Mexico City, slavery was still legal at the time of the Texas revolution, and Santa Ana also angered many Mexicans with the way he governed such as changing laws on a whim whenever he hit a legal roadblock also the was no reluctance to migrate to Texas mainly because the large swaths of land available for purchase.
@stanleyshannon4408
2 жыл бұрын
Mexico didn't need slaves because the entire native population had been reduced to serfs and peasants. Since the anglo population would not submit to that and because their economy was dependent on slave labor it is a given that they would have slaves and expect slavery to continue. There was no irony. If they had not been the kind of people to fight for their own liberty, there would have been no liberty for any African to ever aspire to. They were not obligated to submit to your moral authority. If schools taught history at the level you demand, there would be no time to teach children anything else. If they taught you how to read so that you could go on to freely access any information you might wish to explore than your 7th grade teachers did their jobs.
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
@@stanleyshannon4408 bullshit mexico allowed slavery up to the point when the Texas rebellion ended.
@texasbravesfan
3 жыл бұрын
This is a shotgun approach of criticism. At no time during this interview to they pick a point and rebut or refute. How can I look at this book critically and listen to this discussion if you won’t highlight the lies.
@sirfortesque8757
3 жыл бұрын
OMG you nailed it 100% brother....i was waiting fior footnotes and clips and rebuttals...
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
@@sirfortesque8757 you don’t need to look it up slavery was not the main reason.
@fernandolopez3905
2 жыл бұрын
The Tennesseeans already had liberty and freedoms and a constitution.
@alancabra
3 жыл бұрын
This is a flimsy attempt at criticism in the name of protecting the panelist’s own reputation.
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
Nope it’s the truth.
@PodvigAmerica
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent interview. Texas is home...a place and state of mind I have carried in my heart around the world.
@nuclearmaga9694
3 жыл бұрын
the holder of a flashlight can focus on a small part of something and frame/reframe it... what's missing is a flashlight held up to the person holding the flashlight
@MostlyPeacefulWACO
3 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt, you'd find a Marxist
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPeacefulWACO I'd bet a lot of money that you have no F-ing idea what a Marxist is, what Marx wrote, what he thought, what other people have thought of it, or anything at all about anything at all. Just shut up until you actually know something, alright?
@JakeHammerHTX
3 жыл бұрын
@@Glicksman1 I’d bet a lot of money you think you know more than everyone else and can’t understand why people seem so dumb, just because you’ve taken a Econ class or read Das Kapital doesn’t make you superior, it makes you average.
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@JakeHammerHTX First of all, I'm not the issue here. In any event, you would lose that bet. You know nothing at all about me and your suppositions are rubbish. The Texians were mostly there to grow cotton and needed their slaves to work the fields. Mexico abolished slavery so it was necessary to take Texas from them. The history of the Republic of Texas, the State of Texas, and the Confederate State of Texas indicates that slavery was of primary importance to them. Texas was the last Confederate state to free their slaves (Juneteenth).
@robertmiller428
3 жыл бұрын
Forget the Revisionists! We need more channels teaching the Actual Truth!
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
In "Forget the Alamo" the real truth is told. What you have been taught is wrong, incomplete, and deliberately erroneous.
@MostlyPeacefulWACO
3 жыл бұрын
@@Glicksman1 You talk the talk. You just can't walk the walk. If you had anything to back up your idiot claims, you would have provided them by now.
@Nimgimmer1492
3 жыл бұрын
@@Glicksman1 Hardly. I've read the book, and the authors pick and choose facts that merely fit their agenda. Anything contrary to that is ignored.
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@Nimgimmer1492That's so easy to say. Contrary? Such as what?
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPeacefulWACO Well, Waco, or is that Wacko, I could, easily, as history is always there for those who wish to discover it. But I don't have to prove anything to you. Read this excellent book, do some real resarch, and if you have any evidence (not your wacko opinion) that what it says is wrong, YOU f-ing prove it.
@SupremestLemon
3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Frazier, where can one find the Copano Bay review of this Alamo book?
@treelinehugger
3 жыл бұрын
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." - George Orwell, 1984 The above quote is the playbook for those pushing Critical Theory.
@debbieacook
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve said for years TX should succeed
@diannalaubenberg7532
3 жыл бұрын
Secede
@txusmc8571
3 жыл бұрын
@@diannalaubenberg7532 Both. They go hand in hand. To Succeed we need to Secede. LOL
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@diannalaubenberg7532 Yeah, that worked out so well the last time. What a jerk you are.
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@txusmc8571 See my reply to Dianna.
@nohbuddy1
3 жыл бұрын
And get your ass whooped like last time and what Sam Houston warned against
@JayMysterio01
2 жыл бұрын
Need the courage to accept the truth, Alamo is full of myth and legend, line in the sand my butt
@kennethblevins5531
2 жыл бұрын
A serious look at Texas histroy didn't even take place until the 20th century. Up till then there was a romantic history of Texas. This war based on whom started it and who organized it is very telling. Many of these players were involved in slavery. At the time of the start of the civil war slaves outnumbered free people 4 to 1. The rules that Santa Anna was attempting to enforce were the same rules that were accepted by New settlers at the time of taking the free land. A short time later some folks talked them out of it. Hit piece on this book, talk facts not social slurs of the writers. Did these analysts talk about any other the contrary facts brought out in the book, no, just lsnadered them. Same voice that concocted Texas history are still alive today still running the white settler searching for freedom lie. From a 7th generation Texan that through family history knows which history is closer to the truth.
@alancabra
3 жыл бұрын
Texians cared about the exceptions, for their slaves, to the Mexican constitution, not the Mexican constitution that actually abolished slavery.
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
Nope it was the fact that it abolished the autonomy of Texas and other regions of Mexico.
@alancabra
2 жыл бұрын
@@spearfisherman308 Their were in Mexico as Mexican citizens.
@spearfisherman308
2 жыл бұрын
@@alancabra yes but the Mexican constitution gave the various regions a high degree of autonomy aka states rights.
@bolt4694
2 жыл бұрын
Trendy, woke, revisionist history is alive and well.
@zinnmarx
Жыл бұрын
Do you have anything to refute beyond buzzwords like “woke”?
@bunchofroses83
Жыл бұрын
It’s hard to accept the truth.
@WmGood
2 жыл бұрын
These guys are working hard though feebly to show that Texas isn't really what it really is. Augmentative as 'Forget The Alamo' 'is, it's not to say there aren't grains of truth in it.
@The69bombero
2 жыл бұрын
Peaple that turned nothing into something ? There was something already here. White Texans used slavery to succeed. And it was the main reason for the fight against the Mexican government. ( He how wins the war gets to write the history books ) not necessarily the actual facts. It is clear that you are still defensive of the old status quo. Texas history didn't start in 1835 it was around long before.
@sabin97
2 жыл бұрын
i'm always amazed at how they dont teach world history in usa. or american history. or even usa history. what they teach is an extremely romanticized version of usa history(ignoring the rest of america), which is closer to fan fiction than to history.
@stanleyshannon4408
Жыл бұрын
So are you suggesting that every other subject should not be taught so that every possible nuance of history can be properly taught at length? Or are you suggesting only your own leftist biases should be taught as the truth? For my part I do agree that all the self-serving 'city on the hill' and 'all men are created equal' BS should be tossed out and children should just be taught that Europeans conquered the world and invented everything of importance because we are just that good and everyone else basically sucks except for basketball and spelling bees.
@sabin97
Жыл бұрын
@@stanleyshannon4408 "are you suggesting that every other subject should not be taught" not at all. it's weird how usakistanis have this retarded "all-or-nothing" mentality about pretty much everything. you dont have to choose between not teaching history and teaching ONLY historty. you can add history to your schools. i dont care about leftists. i mock them as much as i mock you. for the exact same reasons. you are identical. you even get triggered equally when it's pointed out that you are identical. "because we are just that good" why are you including yourself? you werent even born when the europeans invaded america. and you didnt personally invent ANYTHING. so you should say "they" and not "we". you had NOTHING to do with any of those things. "and everyone else basically sucks" actually we dont. i'm a world-class engineer. and i'm superior to you in pretty much every conceivable aspect. and i happen to be brown. it's not the melanin in my skin that makes me better. it's me developing my intellect that makes me better. and perhaps your situation might be worsened by all the pinkslime you eat....or the inbreeding.....or who knows what else...it would be interesting to study what makes usakistanis so.......let's say lacking......
@stanleyshannon4408
Жыл бұрын
@@sabin97 you were the one demanding an all or nothing approach to teaching history. As an American child back in the day I was taught to be proud of the history of my country, exactly as I should have been. It is a crime against humanity to teach young children to hate themselves and their own humanity. I was also taught how to read so that I could further inform myself on the details on my own. Without Europeans there would be no world class engineers of any color. You would have spent your life behind the ass hole of a water Buffalo in a rice paddy somewhere.
@sabin97
Жыл бұрын
@@stanleyshannon4408 "you were the one demanding an all or nothing approach to teaching history. " no. i am not. here's what i actually said: i'm always amazed at how they dont teach world history in usa. or american history. or even usa history. what they teach is an extremely romanticized version of usa history(ignoring the rest of america), which is closer to fan fiction than to history. have you noticed how it's not an "all-or-nothing" approach? noticed how it's a "hmm weird how they dont include this important thing"? "As an American child" you are not american. you are european. "teach young children to hate themselves" nobody teaches that, as those children never held slaves. teaching real history is something they dont seem to do in usakistan. " I was also taught how to read" everyone is taught that. "Without Europeans there would be no world class engineers of any color." there you go trying to include yourself into things you had NOTHING to do with. without YOU(the singular, specific you), there would be world-class engineers, and everything else. because YOU had nothing to do with anything. also do you know why technology was much more advanced in europe than in africa or america? they probably dont teach basic history in usakistan, so i'm assuming you have no idea. it was domesticatable(yes, i'm aware that's not a word, but it conveys the meaning perfectly, so i'm using it) animals. "You would have spent your life behind the ass hole of a water Buffalo in a rice paddy somewhere." LOL. is that really what passes as history in usakistan? damn...i greatly overestimated your kind.....
@stanleyshannon4408
Жыл бұрын
@@sabin97 no, when you demand that all of history be taught precisely as you perceive it, that is absolutely all or nothing because either you would have no time remaining to teach anything else or you would merely be teaching a different myth to promote your own well being rather that of someone else. You don't get to spend thousands of years not doing something and then claim that if only the evil Europeans had not shown up you would have eventually gotten around to it. Even your expressed views on individualism are a European notion. I freely admit that I as an individual am inferior to others around the world in many ways. But that is only because there are far more people around the world to choose from. There is certainly someone somewhere on the planet better than me at everything. It is merely a matter of numbers. But it is a matter that demands the effective extermination of the population of those most responsible for the modern world in order to promote those least responsible for it even though historically they had far greater opportunity to do so. This does not bode well for the future of humanity.
@MostlyPeacefulWACO
3 жыл бұрын
If slavery were the central issue of the battle, they'd have to explain why the other Mexican states also rebelled against the tyrant Santa Anna.
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
Well, because that was the central issue in TEXAS. I'm no fan of dictators and wanna-be dictators like Trump, and certainly not a fan of Santa Anna, but he is not the issue regarding slavery in Texas. If anything he was on the right side of history in that matter.
@MostlyPeacefulWACO
3 жыл бұрын
@@Glicksman1 And yet, Texians were fighting under a flag that honored the 1824 Constitution...the one that Santa Anna was violating. *That* was the central issue in Texas, mouthbreather.
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPeacefulWACO If you want to deny that slavery was a big part of the Texas revolution, go ahead. It still was and your denial of it will not make it untrue. Slavery was abolished in Mexico in 1829, not 1824. The Texians wanted to be able to own slaves in Texas and it was an overarching issue to them. The 1824 Mexican Constitution did not stipulate the abolition of slavery and this is one big reason that the Texians liked it. Although President Guadalupe Victoria had previously declared slavery abolished, this did not have the force of law. While the Mexican government enforced the abolition of slavery in Mexico below the Rio Grande, they officially looked the other way about slavery in the Texas frontier after 1829... for a while. However, the Texians knew that under Santa Anna it wouldn't be long before the abolition of slavery in Texas would be enforced as well. That is the largest reason for the Texas revolution just as it was the largest reason for secession in 1861.
@MostlyPeacefulWACO
3 жыл бұрын
@@Glicksman1 You're the one that started with the name calling, jerk. Strange how you retreat from slavery being the "central issue" to a "big part". Next you will have to admit that it was only one part of many different reasons, which is the only truth. Most Texians didn't have slaves, they didn't fight for slavery, and your denials are laughable.
@Glicksman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPeacefulWACO Re-read my comment. I deleted "jerk", not because you aren't one, but because after reading your comment, I didn't think I had to say it. "Go your way, I'll go mine, and carry on."
@schaffermatt
8 ай бұрын
@13:29 - So, history should be spun to promote the political and economic aims of the entrenched power brokers. OK, that’s the way it’s always been BUT that’s exactly why we need a revisionist p.o.v.
@janellleepdx3214
2 жыл бұрын
What delicate flowers you are. Pr insurrectionists too, eh?
@bryanrobinson3892
3 жыл бұрын
“White supremacy in 1836 is not the white supremacy of Charlottesville” How is that?
@WiseAboutTexas
3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video from two great folks. Thanks for doing this!
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