Thank you for this great video about layers, Tommy! You explained in a great way one layer type: the page layer. Page layers can only be enabled per page. I can imagine for piano players that this will suffice. But for e.g. classical organ players page layers only will be used for fingering annotations. Since organists have the option to play on many different organ types, from very small to very large with multiple keyboards and many registration options by the available stops, they will need the score layer. This layer contains annotations like 'which keyboard' to 'which stops' do I want to use on this particular organ? Score layers are enabled per score, so if you switch the organ you only need to make visible the concerning score layer for that organ. As a piano player you can - of course - also use score layers in multi-page scores ;-) There is also another advantage of score layers in scores that contain written annotations in the scan. You can define a score layer on top of the layers and ' 'erase' (paint with white pencil) the annoying parts in the scan. In the other layers you can then write your own annotations on the erased areas.
@TommysPianoCorner
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip on Score Layers. This is something I will definitely be using. I particularly like the ‘rubbing out’ idea too - a great way of removing unwanted distractions.
@rogerwalton8160
4 жыл бұрын
Extremely useful thanks. As a photographer I'm very familiar with layers but hadn't spotted them in fourscore so will be experimenting in future.
@TommysPianoCorner
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yes, I also came across them in photo editing first or wouldn’t perhaps have realized what they are. I’ve used this app for years and it was only relatively recently I noticed the layers functionality and started using it as I described. You’ll notice there are layers at a page level and also at a score level which I didn’t mention in the video.
@organvlnBach2Bach
2 жыл бұрын
This is my first time viewing your KZitem channel. I am now a subscriber! Thank you for this information. I can use layers for different fingerings on Bach solo violin sonatas and partitas. I look forward to viewing more of your videos.
@TommysPianoCorner
2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks. I’m pleased you found the idea of layers useful. It took me a while to realize they were there :-)
@GarryBurgess
4 жыл бұрын
I’m excited about their new huge update coming this month of September where they will also throw in a MacOS version meaning that now I’ll be able to throw the music up on my 27” iMac. This will be in ForScore 12.
@TommysPianoCorner
4 жыл бұрын
This really will be fantastic - we’re getting closer to an experience that you get with a large format score
@wendyhumphreystebbutt5782
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video, Tommy. I'm a harpist and I can think of different layers I could create: One set of Pedal changes (on pedal harp) and one set for Lever changes (on lever or celtic harp). Also, when teaching, I can see where I might choose to finger one way for certain students, and another way for other students. I assume I'd be able to either "save file" for each student's fingering of the piece? I'm awaiting my iPad PRO and will then purchase ForScore. Really looking forward to this app to really facilitate my online teaching via Zoom or Skype. Another place I'll use Layers is in making incrementally more difficult versions of an arrangement for each of my students, depending on their level of playing. I'm really looking forward to using the iPencil to use the eraser in ForScore. Rather than write out separate arrangements, I'll be able to work from the fullest / advanced version of the arrangement and gradually white out notes to create different levels of the piece for different students. Very handy indeed! Your mentioning the acetat layers our teachers used to use for projecting images on screen was particularly "familiar" to me in that I talk to my students in terms of "mylar layers" as in map making. So, there'll be a layer for showing the different aspects of technique we might include...there could be 5 or so aspects of technique to be aware of - and I can see setting up layers to show each aspect separately and then in different paired aspects of technique, etc. For some people, me typing out all those details in their lesson notes can be a bit overwhelming; however, they might find a copy of the different mylar layers much easier to follow as they practice. Thanks for getting me thinking in terms of how I'll use ForScore. Yours in Gratitude
@TommysPianoCorner
3 жыл бұрын
I’m pleased the video gave you ideas and you’re already using advanced thinking on how to get the most from it. I omitted to mention in the video but there are ‘score layers’ (that apply to each page of the score) and ‘page layers’ which you set up page by page. You’ll find them in the same place. The Apple Pencil is a great accessory (if somewhat expensive). I wish you well with it all.
@jr499
3 жыл бұрын
I use the forScore Pro version (at about US$10 per year) because of the additional "pdf" layer and a few more stamps. But I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how best to use it. I think one of the main purposes of the pdf layer is to be able to copy parts of the score to create a new page with the copied part... think repeats without actually having to turn pages back to where the repeat begins. One thing about layers in general that I DON'T like in the program (both the regular and Pro versions) is how layer stacking works. I'm used to Photoshop where the "top" layer items show above the layers below and not underneath them. For me, forScore is counterintuitive. The higher layer markings can be obscured by annotations, white-outs, etc on the layers listed below. This is especially weird in conjunction with the white-out shapes, for example. To my way of thinking, items on higher layers should sit ABOVE items on lower layers! I make it work somehow but still, it just seems "wrong." Has anyone found other good uses for the pdf layer in the pro version? One thing about the pro version is the ability to turn pages with facial gestures. But (a BIG but): you'll need the iPad pro... something I don't yet have. Maybe some day. I tried the Bluetooth pedal page turners but they take a lot of getting used to. My foot can never quite seem to hit the pedal correctly. Sometimes I go forward, yes, but often as not I miss and the page turns more than one page, or backwards, or not at all. By that point I figure I should have just used my finger! Anyway, thanks for the video.
@TommysPianoCorner
3 жыл бұрын
Hi. I had a look myself. Curiously they don't give you any ideas of 'practical applications', just show how you do it mechanically. I guess it might be useful if you want to include the first few bars/last few bars of another page to help you when page turning. Perhaps also if you have two different versions that have slightly different markings you could combine them? If you think of any other uses, please do let me know.
@petermcmurray2807
9 ай бұрын
I am going to add Taubman indicators to a layer as I am rebuilding my method
@TommysPianoCorner
9 ай бұрын
Sounds like a good idea. I have been watching a lot of videos on Taubman myself - especially those by Robert Durso
@jounetu3567
3 жыл бұрын
It's awesome!! Thank you for your video. How can I change the color in each layer later?
@TommysPianoCorner
3 жыл бұрын
Hi. When you click ‘Annotate’, you may choose from different colour pens and highlighters (and even create your own colours and styles). However, I don’t think it’s possible to change your highlight colours afterwards except by ‘rubbing them out’ (using the eraser tool) and reapplying in a different colour). I’m not sure if that answers your question?
@TimGRWelch
4 жыл бұрын
Excelente. Muchas gracias.
@TommysPianoCorner
4 жыл бұрын
De nada :-)
@thewarriorfluteproject1207
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Tommy thank four this very helpful video.. do you happen to know how to cut measures and move them as in OSSIA under the original part
@TommysPianoCorner
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve had a play to see and whilst it is possible to rearrange the order of pages (the Rearrange menu option) and scan things (or upload images), I can’t see a way of actually changing the content of a page in the way you describe. It would be simple enough to do outside Forscore using any image editing software and then upload that image as a page into Forscore and incorporate into your main score. Would that work?
@tom10065
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that video. I'm wondering how I can create notes once and it will be showing up on all pages of the same pdf? Thanks for your answer in advance
@TommysPianoCorner
4 жыл бұрын
Thomas Zentner there is another option called Score Layers that creates a layer across the entire score. I should have mentioned it in the video - my apologies. If you follow the steps to get to the layers, you’ll see an option of Score Layers so just create your layer here instead
@JuliaHartman1
11 ай бұрын
Thanks Tommy, How do you merge the pdf layer with layer 1?
@TommysPianoCorner
11 ай бұрын
Do you mean when exporting a PDF? If so, my understanding is that it will merge any visible layers. Any set to invisible shouldn’t get merged into the pdf.
@Sitbon08
3 жыл бұрын
Hi. I’d like to create a layer for scale degrees. Is there a way to easily notate Roman numerals without using the text feature?
@TommysPianoCorner
3 жыл бұрын
I use an Apple Pencil mostly to notate. Have you looked in the Stamps to see if there is anything there?
@Sitbon08
3 жыл бұрын
@@TommysPianoCorner I look into that thanks Tommy.
@clairedeem1637
Жыл бұрын
how do you turn layers off?
@TommysPianoCorner
Жыл бұрын
Under ‘Annotate’, there is the layer’s icon. When you select it, a little pop up menu ‘Layers’ appears. It shows you the layers you have and next to each is a little ‘eye’ icon. Tapping on this changes the visibility of that layer.
@raleedy
4 жыл бұрын
What writing instrument are you using for this?
@TommysPianoCorner
4 жыл бұрын
I have an Apple Pencil now but previously used the soft keyboard to add things like finger numbers so they appear as if type set. For highlighting, fingers work fine. That said, I much prefer the Apple Pencil (although it is expensive - I treated myself for Christmas a few years ago)
@rwm4410
4 жыл бұрын
How do I layer a picture on my chart??
@TommysPianoCorner
4 жыл бұрын
Hi. I'm not sure I follow your question? What are you trying to do?
@kathleenwsmith4367
4 ай бұрын
I see “current layer is hidden” and the page is milky (so difficult to see) and I cannot annotate. I can’t figure how to solve this. I’ve tried things with ‘layers’ and watched various KZitem tutorials to no avail. My version of ForScore is the free one. Can you help? THANK YOU for your great video.
@TommysPianoCorner
4 ай бұрын
I have never seen it where it is milky. However, when the ‘current layer is hidden’ message appears, for me if I hit the layers button (far right hand side), it is possible to set layers to visible or hidden there (using the little button in the layer that looks like an eye). Is it a newly imported score? That could cause the milky appearance. I hope that helps
@kathleenwsmith4367
4 ай бұрын
@@TommysPianoCorner Tommy thanks so much for responding so quickly! Actually my Forscore is a paid version but it is the basic, not the Pro. I just got it so my scores are newly downloaded. I have no idea why I cannot make the hidden layer visible (I did indeed follow your suggestion). However, my 'opening' view was two pages, and when I activated the toolbar, the one page I wanted became hidden. My solution (trial and error) was to change my view to half-page turns. Now, even when the toolbar is not active, I can see my annotations!
@TommysPianoCorner
4 ай бұрын
@@kathleenwsmith4367 my version is very old - back from when forScore was free - but with the app updates I would assume it is the same as yours (I never upgraded to pro). There are a few View options that I have in honesty mostly avoided using as they can get confusing. I’m glad you found a workaround for now. Looks like you might need to further experiment with these to get what you need. Forscore have an excellent help guide which might help further diagnose what’s happening
@kathleenwsmith4367
4 ай бұрын
@@TommysPianoCorner Hello again Tommy, I am REALLY impressed that you are responding -- thank you so much! Yes, I do find the help guide helpful, and also your KZitem video! I meant to say that I can now add new stamps to my score, which is what my goal was. Hurray! (While searching for a solution, I removed all of the scores except for this one, which was the only one I had annotated so far.) I love your video!
@kathyhughes8196
Жыл бұрын
As a middle school band and orchestra teacher, I love the idea of layers. However, every time I create layers in a score, when I open it the next day, all of my layers have flattened into the original layer. What am I doing wrong?
@TommysPianoCorner
Жыл бұрын
All I can think is perhaps you are not selecting the layer before annotating? If you use Page Layers, then each time you change page you also need to select the layer you wish to use. There is equally an option to create Score Layers which apply to every page in the score. This means that as you change page, you are still on your selected layer rather than needing to reselect each time
@kathyhughes8196
Жыл бұрын
@@TommysPianoCorner Actually, I have used both page and score layers. While I am annotating, everything looks good. I pull up layers, and I see the differing annotations on different layers. But then the next day, they layers I have created are gone, and all of my annotations are on one layer. ForScore says this under their info on layers: Note: to ensure page turns are as fast as possible, forScore flattens annotation layers into a single working copy when you save your changes. If needed, forScore also regenerates the working copy for every page affected by changes you’ve made to score layers. This can take a little bit of time, so consider splitting up very long files into smaller collections, if appropriate, to minimize this delay. Frankly, I don't know what that means ... do you?
@TommysPianoCorner
Жыл бұрын
I've checked across lots of my scores and haven't ever seen this happen so I'm not really sure what might be going on. This idea of the 'single working copy' is not uncommon in that software frequently does things so that it can read faster (for example, when we see tiny thumb nail images of files, these are actually tiny files created by the software so that they can display quickly without needing to read the entire file). However, as a general rule they would not have any impact to the actual source of the working copy (so, the individual layers should still be there). How many layers are you typically using? I could try out creating a larger number perhaps to see what happens.
@kathyhughes8196
Жыл бұрын
@@TommysPianoCorner Thanks so much for responding. This happens even when I only have 2 layers. The names I create disappear, and everything I've done is on "Layer 1" under page layers. I've contacted support a couple of times with no response, so I guess I'll just manage with one layer. At least I have not lost any annotations! Thanks again for your help!
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