It’s interesting that Liszt never looked at his hands but would look up or at people or the score when he played. He always tried to teach his students to do that too as he said it opened up the sound world
@barejon2733
Жыл бұрын
Did he look at his hands when practicing or learning a piece for the first time?
@johnrock2173
Жыл бұрын
@@barejon2733 hi thanks interesting question. I know from accounts of his performances on stage and also later from his students that he never looked at his hands and would either look upward or at the music or at people who were listening. There is accounts of him holding students under the chin to stop them from looking at their fingers. So I don’t know what he did when alone.
@barejon2733
Жыл бұрын
@@johnrock2173 Thank you for the response, so his students wasnt allowed to look at the piano when pracitcing?
@johnrock2173
Жыл бұрын
@@barejon2733 I know he encouraged them not to. It’s interesting did you see the Maria Joao Pires documentary Discovering Sound? She addresses a student not to look at their hands as a way of freeing up their sense of phrasing. It’s on KZitem really interesting
Liszt is said to have the ability to read a symphonic score and play it in piano reduction on sight read. That is a mystery skill that is truly fantastic.
@matthewbbenton
9 ай бұрын
When Liszt was in Paris for the premiere of (I think) one of his masses, he and Saint-Saëns sight read the orchestral score together at the piano, playing four hands. Saint-Saëns said it was a stressful experience but he managed it.
@Highinsight7
Жыл бұрын
It always makes me made when certain "pianists" try to lessen Liszt... He gave us sooo much... he was the direct connection to the impressionism movement in music... he gave us the tone poem... he gave us the piano recital as we know it (and Clara Schumann as well!) piano virtuosity has never been the same since him... he gave us the master class... GREAT piano music at EVERY level... almost 20 books of complete works and transcriptions for the piano... a GREAT book on piano exercises...and sooo many of his other works are still in archives... Symphonic works, organ music... choral works... art song... a LARGE massive Mass (which sounds like Wagner on steroids...)... and much much more... Thank you, dear Liszt!
@richardgolonka7585
6 ай бұрын
yet, what no one does at piano recitals now is look at the audience instead of their hands
@Highinsight7
6 ай бұрын
@@richardgolonka7585 ???? meaning, the lack of audience and listeners...
@PieInTheSky9
2 жыл бұрын
That Hungarian Rhapsody 12 recording is absolutely exhilarating. No wonder people were spellbound by Liszt's playing.
@geoffreywarren3781
10 ай бұрын
No2
@RModillo
2 ай бұрын
@@geoffreywarren3781 12 and 13 are also on this.
@Schubertd960
8 ай бұрын
that part from 6:34- 7:14 (the cadenza) genuinely made me smile. It sounded like the pianist was having so much fun. And it's fascinating to hear it preserved in a recording from the past.
@lisztferencz8207
2 жыл бұрын
20:28 The true melody of Feux Follets.
@Bozzigmupp
2 жыл бұрын
Oh that is a bit different from the recent recordings
@Ace-dv5ce
2 жыл бұрын
Difference it kind of sounds like a lot better all the modern interpretations I’ve heard just sounds more like music 🤣
@cziffrathegreat666
5 ай бұрын
cziffra brings it out too
@Schubertd960
Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the fact that von Sauer neither rushed La Campanella nor drowned it in pedal, allowing the bell-like sound to really shine through. Though neither might have been a conscious choice; in that era they were often sparing with the pedal, and the tempo might just be because they didn't push themselves to achieve the breakneck speed people play it at nowadays.
@Bozzigmupp
2 жыл бұрын
I wish Liszt would live a bit longer, imagine the type of late works he would compose
@aidanm.1683
2 жыл бұрын
He lived really long lol
@classicalmusic432hz8
2 жыл бұрын
his middle works are more popular his later works if continued would prob just get more and more abstract like the music of the Krell on the movie forbidden planet.
@LagartoChicloso
2 жыл бұрын
liszt lived like 75 yrs, Chopin died at 39 BRUH
@Dalpy
Жыл бұрын
I wish mozart or chopin live longer, liszt lived 75 years xd
@tamzinwatterott1134
10 күн бұрын
YEAH CHOPIN'S THE BEST THO AND HE HAD SUCH AN AWFUL DEATH CRIII@@classicalmusic432hz8
@tomjung1067
Жыл бұрын
I had 2 teachers for piano with liszt students tradition passed on. Its mostly about the gipsy way of making music, logically, which is infinitely more efficient than the mechanical approach used by most western classical musicians as i observed. Like the native people from north america learned me as well, the same thing: we do all in circles. That means no angles in your movements but everything as ellipse/ circle movements, including your body. Just a tiny bit of it improves your playing dramatically. Dancing, playing other instruments especially drums and a melody one like flute as well as a healthy life, lots of creative, hard and precise manual work help a lot. Working in a good healing way with plants and animals as well. I read some about this by claudio arrau who described all this in a great way. Working with arm weight instead of being crisp. When you play a note you are like flexible steel for an instant and like water the next instant. The capability of switching from steel hard to water at each note you play. This is precision and you can play almost infinitely even very heavy stuff with gigantic volume and variety of sounds.
@evifnoskcaj
Жыл бұрын
The Rosenthal performance here is incredible! An actually improvised cadenza, wonderful dynamic contrast, exciting rubato, and excellent improvisation and additions throughout!
@ericastier1646
Жыл бұрын
The Sauer performance is the most incredible.
@michaelwaterworth9899
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Never heard leibestraum no 3 played like this before. So much expression.
@vanewfies
2 жыл бұрын
Wonerful job indeed! Liszt really deserves it. So well documented even in pictures. Liszt playing and music was for sure very different from today. He was a noble harted and so elegant man! Not a clown. I think that unfortunatley even some of his pupil, looking for fame, betrayed his music and widespread the imagin of a crazy virtuoso.
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right! Thanks. I especially prepared this video to break this perception. Liszt was no clown, Liszt was no showman. Even the Hungarian Rhapsodies, which are made into virtuosic shows today, were very noble and valuable works that showed the limits of the piano. Liszt is one of the most misunderstood composers!
@vanewfies
2 жыл бұрын
@@OzanFabienGuvener I totally agree with you! Your historic researches are fabulous. I already subscribed ;-) Thanks again!
@arturpizarroofficial
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for including Vianna da Motta's live recording of Totentanz a few months before his death. He was the teacher of my first two piano teachers, Campos Coelho and Sequeira Costa and the president of the jury for my grandmother's final piano exam when she graduated from the National Conservatory of Music in Lisbon, Portugal ( where Vianna da Motta was also the director).
@jjwang2314
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. What connection, and what inspiration and experience that must have passed on.
@blakeray9856
6 ай бұрын
Is it known who the conductor is in this performance? Thank you for sharing the information regarding your connection with this marvelous artist.
@arturpizarroofficial
5 ай бұрын
@@blakeray9856 the conductor is the great Pedro de Freitas Branco who was also the conductor in the famous first recording of Ravel Concerto in G major with Marguerite Long. For many years the conducting was attributed to Ravel but it was actually Freitas Branco although Ravel was present at the recording sessions.
@blakeray9856
5 ай бұрын
@@arturpizarroofficial fortunately, this recording can be found complete elsewhere on KZitem. Someone in the comments section there included the exact date, location of recording, ensemble and conductor. This is a thrilling discovery for me. What great musicians! An invaluable recording of this great work of Franz Liszt.
@ericastier1646
Жыл бұрын
The way of playing by Liszt students is the correct arstistic approach to piano playing. It uses the instrument freely, to serve the artist in making sounds, not the pianist as a fitting to the piano to duplicate a printed score. Sauer La campanella sounds nice and soft like it should, it's the only version of that composition i can tolerate artistically.
@robert-skibelo
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this. Rosenthal's playing is a real eye-opener -- so much better than today's ignorant giants of the keyboard.
@davidhepworth6214
2 жыл бұрын
What an assemblage. Thank you so much for all the work. Recordings in here that I've not heard in 30-40 years. Pianists I'd forgotten about. A wonderful journey - thank you 😊
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! :)
@margaret1066
7 ай бұрын
@@OzanFabienGuvener Would you consider doing a compilation of the Hungarian Rhapsodies, similar to your video of the Chopin nocturnes? Rosenthal’s rendition of No. 2 was a revelation (I honestly didn’t really like the Rhapsodies before), so I’d love to hear them all in the light of imitating the “grotesque gypsy orchestras”.
@OzanFabienGuvener
7 ай бұрын
Hello, I thought about this video idea and even compiled pianists, it was one of the videos I was thinking of making. As you said, I had never taken Hungarian rhapsodies seriously before pianists like Rosenthal, this will be useful, thank you for your suggestion.@@margaret1066
@johnrock2173
2 жыл бұрын
That Totentanz is absolutely electric. Thankyou. I know Liszt was the first one to make a piano transcription of Berlioz Symphony Fantastique soon after the premier to help spread the piece. I feel like Rachmonioff was probably influenced by the Totentanz of Liszt for sure.
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I think Rachmaninoff was very impressed by this piece, the relationship between orchestra and piano and so on.
@therattusrattus
2 жыл бұрын
agreed, i had never thought of that
@cmclean6475
Жыл бұрын
On piano rolls we can hear performances by 3 of his pupils who were present when they were struggling against Cosima to get the medical attention he needed in his final illness! Sophie Menter, Stavenhagen and, was it Friedheim? (Details I think are in the Alan Walker edited volume)
@asterius4271
11 ай бұрын
I love to hear these because they're always so fast and 100% would be considered too fast by many teachers and critics nowadays which is just so funny
@DJStefandeJong
Жыл бұрын
You can really hear a lot of difference in how they approached music, not just improvising more but also allowing themselves to skip parts they either don't like or have a hard time with but also interpretation wise, slower in general
@walterprossnitz3471
Жыл бұрын
They sometimes had to skip in order to fit onto a 4 minute side of a 78 LP - and there may have been other time considerations (that I am not aware of?)
@DJStefandeJong
Жыл бұрын
@@walterprossnitz3471 this is indeed sometimes the case, but not in all these recordings this is true I believe. But either way their playing is very different from how we play now and I do like their methods more.
@kniazigor2276
2 жыл бұрын
Comme toujours, une compilation fascinante fruit d'un travail colossal de la part de Ozan Fabien Guvener
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
Merci beaucoup KNIAZIGOR. Vos commentaires sont importants pour moi!
@johnericsson749
2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful collection, thank you!
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
Your welcome! :)
@richardgolonka7585
7 ай бұрын
wow. That might have been the best version of La Campanella I have heard!
@dhollandpiano
2 жыл бұрын
The Busoni performance has an uncanny quality to it. (unheimlich in German) I have never heard anything like this before.
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely the right descriptive word! When I listened to this recording, I understood why many pianists admire him. Really shocking and uncanny.
@walterprossnitz3471
Жыл бұрын
To paraphrase George Sand, there is more music and poetry and colour in one minute of Busoni's performance (and those of all of his colleagues in this compilation) then in hours of recordings of today's pianists....
@blakeray9856
6 ай бұрын
@@walterprossnitz3471 I agree, but still, Busoni somehow seems in a class by himself.
@cziffrathegreat666
5 ай бұрын
@@walterprossnitz3471 well these were the pianists of her time, how does that make sense then?
@teawithliya
Жыл бұрын
Emil von Sauer's Campanella is a lot more "metrical" than what I hear in more recent recordings. It also has a lighter sound, but maybe that's just caused by the recording. In contrast, Lamond's Liebestraum is much more free with the tempo than how I've been playing it! I started recently learning about these "original Lisztians" and not only do I like to read the stories they tell about him, I also realize this is the closest we can get to knowing how these composers sounded. I wonder if the students knew they were leaving an example for us.
@zorby1008
11 ай бұрын
The lighter sound is because pianos back then sounded more twinkly in the higher notes
@stephenhunt8756
2 жыл бұрын
These are fascinating...and I don't like Liszt's music. The amount of time taken, even in the presto passages, is completely different from today, and there seems to have been a general, cultural belief in the elegance and leggiere side of pianism. Very glad to have heard these...perhaps they will change my views on Liszt.
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I used to dislike Liszt's music, but when I listened to him from old pianists, I didn't have any prejudices. Most pianists miss elements of Liszt's music, so it becomes a bland and boring Liszt. I hope this list makes a difference for you as it did for me! :)
@niklas_klaavo
2 жыл бұрын
Liszt wrote music in really simple formation. It has to be played in improvised way to make it alive
@sebastian9445
2 жыл бұрын
Now at days, most people think virtuosity means to play faster, and that’s what they want to achieve, sadly.
@srothbardt
Жыл бұрын
@@niklas_klaavo Agree!!
@mativit5301
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this!
@paolapiasentin4187
2 жыл бұрын
Grazie infinite per postare questi preziosi documenti!
@KenWangpiano
Жыл бұрын
Great compilation! Thank you for this fine reference
@tofubro8571
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing post! I'm just wondering where one can read more of these anecdotal references!
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
You can read some of them in the "Etude" music magazine.
@srothbardt
Жыл бұрын
Actualwy, I pwefer Wapsody Wabbit. Kidding! This is incredible as a classic 19th century version. In a way, I prefer it to the current way to play this type of music. More improvised sounding more alive.
@reidar4210
2 жыл бұрын
people had better taste back then
@patycanales8069
Жыл бұрын
Grazie
@lucfraisse4201
Жыл бұрын
Remarquable idée, de rassembler des morceaux de Liszt joués par ceux qui l'ont fréquenté. Il est à remarquer que Bernhard Stavenhagen, qui tâche de reproduire le jeu de Liszt, se rapproche beaucoup des interprétations modernes. Liszt était peut-être, dans son interprétation de lui-même, en avance sur le jeu pianistique de son époque - ce qui ne serait pas étonnant.
@emilvonsauer2565
2 жыл бұрын
15:28 WOOAAHHHHH DAS JUNGE IST GÖÄT
@qalaphyll
2 жыл бұрын
sauer
@p.a.cthegoldenageofmusic3279
3 күн бұрын
May i suggest a List of important composition played by his pupil? 1 Hungarian Phantasy De greef 1922 and 1927 recording 2.Pianoconcerto nr.1 De Greef 1920 3 Piamoconcerto nr 2 Weingartnrer Sauer 1938 4.Totentantz Da motta Live 1945 5.Sonata Friedheim piano roll 6.Sonata D'albert piano roll 7.Au bord d une source D'albert 1912 8.Au lac de Wallenstein Les Cloches de Geneve Friddheim piano roll 9.Eglogue Da motta 1928 10.Paganini etudes :Friedheim nr.1.2 6 11Un sospiro Waldesrauschen Lamond 12.Mazeppa Sauer 13 Feux Follets Friedheim 14 La ricordanza Sauer 15.Rapsodie nr.1 Timanova nr.2 Friedheim Siloti and Rosenthal nr 4 Liebling nr 6 Friedheim nr.9 Friedheim nr 10 Friedheim Reisenauer nr 12 Siloti De greef Weiss Sauer nr.15 Sauer Polonaise nr.2 De greef Valse improptu Lamond Valse oubliee Sauer
@ousejamais1vezousejamais1vez
Ай бұрын
Totentanz out of this world 🌠
@1fattyfatman
11 ай бұрын
Great list
@OzanFabienGuvener
11 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Pamela-dv7gb
8 ай бұрын
I think all Liszt pupils should be more popular because at least Emil von sauer was an outstanding pianist and he even did reminescence de Don Juan
@pierredbss9638
2 жыл бұрын
I had never bothered to listen to any pianist other than kissing or trifonoov playing Liszt (with the exception of the transcendental etudes by France Clidat). What a mistake that was! This really sounds like music, not virtuoso fodder.
@johnschlesinger2009
2 жыл бұрын
Listen to Claudio Arrau. His Liszt was marvellous.
@paulcapaccio9905
Жыл бұрын
And stay away from Wuhan Wang and Bang Bang. !
@silvio2869
2 жыл бұрын
Busoni!
@benharmonics
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! What are the dates of the recordings?
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
I have added the recording dates to the description.
@benharmonics
2 жыл бұрын
@@OzanFabienGuvener Thanks!
@zelop9632
Жыл бұрын
For the description of the stavenhagen recording, did you mean to say stavenhagen tried to mimick the way franz liszt played hungarian rhapsody no.12 as he heard it being played by him?
@OzanFabienGuvener
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@tomjung1067
Жыл бұрын
If you want to see and learn everything about liszt playing technique just look at good gipsy musicians like. Riff on paganini by this famous gipsy group or example. Ando drom, romanyi rota, parno graszt as well to just name some very well known groups who are into magic music which goes a dimension beyond what standard classical mechanical musicmaking is able to do. No explanation needed and with this approach, lots of improvisation, you can do anything without much effort cause its the most logic, natural and efficient way of playing. Its the opposite of most classical teachings where you try to behave like a machine which is all wrong. We can behave like water, like fire, like liquid metal, like diamond or like air. Like a volcano or a butterfly. This is natural and very effective to use the physical patterns underlying elementary behaviour. That gets you somewhere with your music making. Trying to work like a machine, for any thing, is mostly inefficient and dangerous for the health and the ears of the listener of such empty playing with just some pale or violent feelings floating above that. Be water, be rock, be fire, be a storm or a balace in the air. Be a bird, a thunderstorm or a sparkeli g crystal, just imagine logic stuff like that which corresponds to the music you play or improvise. Thats how you become an interesting musician. The rhythm thing is the same. Never play rhythm like a metronom, it kills music. Imagine tiny, logic rubati, fluctuation patterns everywhere. The strongest rhythms in nature are huge waves, volcanic eruptions, fires, cicadea, storm gusts and so on. That all is infinitely stronger than a dead, empty metronom or machine like playing. Any machine is nothing in mightyness compared to huge waves, fires, volcanoes, tornadoes and so on. These natural heartbeats are infinitely strong and magic but never like a dead, stupid electronic beat which is only destroying most energy. Everybody will hold their breath and say: this is electric and magic. When you play, imagining such elementary powers in all their aspects and behaviours, When you are them, the infinite power of nature. Thats why in midst of a society getting brainwashed for all over industrialisation machine age, somebody like liszt doing an all natural, logic playing in this classical, often petrified style, was striking them like a lightening bolt, cause almost all of them only dreamed about the great new machine age coming on them. Now everybody sees what a nightmare life becomes when you treat yourself and lifein general like a machine, in the end, its time to do something better again.
@osmancanizin4423
Жыл бұрын
Rosenthal was most Lisztian i think.
@tomjung1067
Жыл бұрын
Maybe, on the other hand there are things like the busoni, hofmann, rachmaninoff, debussy recordings which show other aspects of liszt personality. Sure liszt did play in very different ways depending on the occasion, as does any really creative musician. Nothing more frustrating for a really creative person to play a thing 2 times the same way, that makes no sense.
@OE1FEU
2 жыл бұрын
Busoni was not a Liszt pupil and not even a friend.
@sergiosaucedo5834
2 жыл бұрын
No one said he was.
@OzanFabienGuvener
2 жыл бұрын
I mentioned it in the video description. Busoni heard Liszt's playing and when Liszt heard Busoni's playing he praised him. That's why I added it.
@Paganini-Liszt
Жыл бұрын
Do you guys know what cadenza Moriz Rosenthal used for his HR2?
@OzanFabienGuvener
Жыл бұрын
Rosenthal's own cadenza
@Paganini-Liszt
Жыл бұрын
@@OzanFabienGuvener Alr, thanks! I might use that one. Now I will be having 3 Cadenzas: Hamelin, Rach, and next will be his
@dwacheopus
Жыл бұрын
What cadenza did Liszt use?
@p.a.cthegoldenageofmusic3279
3 күн бұрын
try to look also for his live 1929 recording where he plays the whole cadenza (longer and with unbelievable difficult skips)
@paulcapaccio9905
Жыл бұрын
You can keep Wuhan Wang and Bang Bang ! They can’t hold a candle to these old true artists
@franzliszt8090
Жыл бұрын
This kind of sentiment is unacceptable and NOT what music is about. Invalidating artists musicianship and especially the racism.
@paulcapaccio9905
Жыл бұрын
@@franzliszt8090 well it’s true sorry
@thomaskrull6905
2 жыл бұрын
What ugly versions, everything changed and with horrible sounds from the pianists.
@CristianRodriguez-it7il
2 жыл бұрын
Callao perkin
@ignacioclerici5341
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dtiaah i didnt get your point, you like old pianist more?
@dhollandpiano
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dtiaah No need to get personal here. Matters of art are not about facts. In the late 19th century Liszt and Wagner represented what they called "Music of the future". Brahms was the face of those who revered things from the past and worked tirelessly to preserve it. The first big step in this direction was the serial publication of the complete works of J.S. Bach. Those who wish to debate artistic nuance have always been free to do so. Brahms himself commented that the differences between his music and Wagner's were not so great as people made out.
@dwacheopus
Жыл бұрын
Everything IS changed. That's how it would sound in old days!
@Jebembti
Жыл бұрын
the absence of Eugene d'Albert, who was considered by Liszt as his piano heir after the death of Tausig and von Büllov, is at least striking.
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