"Education shouldn't be based on answers, it should be based on questions." - Lawrence Krauss Very well said!
@redmed10
3 жыл бұрын
So you're saying students should be in control.
@BP7BlackPearl
2 жыл бұрын
@@redmed10 He is saying the teacher should instill in the kids the desire to ask more questions.
@redmed10
2 жыл бұрын
@@BP7BlackPearl I know exactly what he is saying. But he shows no appreciation whatsoever of the practicalities of teaching 30 kids in a class and having to teach to a curriculum It takes a special kind of teacher who can actually do what krauss is advocating. These type of communicators can make much more money outside the teaching profession and with none of the headaches of teaching. The type of teaching krauss advocates would cost double if not treble what is generally provided in public school system today. It could be done but would require higher taxes which people are against. I'm just asking krauss to live in the real world on this subject. If he's talking about higher education system fair enough. But I don't think he is.
@BP7BlackPearl
2 жыл бұрын
@@redmed10 I have no idea how u come up with that conclusion. Why would it cost more? We already have some teachers who do that and they don't get paid more. Many teachers are just lazy, or get that way. A good teacher is interested in their students as well as the topic. Good teachers voluntarily work overtime without pay cuz they enjoy it.
@redmed10
2 жыл бұрын
@@BP7BlackPearl Go on a few teachers forums or Facebook groups and see what they say. Why do people out their kids in private schools. Smaller classes. More one to one tuition. Less stressed teachers. And that all costs a lot of money. Surely you know how expensive that can be. Parents pay this because they know the advantages of these things. I hear of teachers paying for school supplies in public schools out of their own pocket. Of course some teachers give their own time for the kids who need a bit extra help. But if more money was spent and more teachers were employed , individual wouldn't have to do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Would you do extra hours of work for no extra pay? Why do you presume teachers should be expected to do it just because they are in teaching profession?
@odinsclone3436
3 жыл бұрын
I spent 4 years with a girl very similar to this,,.we have a kid together and it took me 4 years before I saw the reflection in the smoke and mirrors. I thank God everyday for delivering me from that monstrous woman. I ended up finding the strength and insight to get my daughter and go by listening to your videos here on KZitem and I consume and scrap of information you provide. I've since read two books by you. One them being 1 2 rules to life. I have implemented as much new positive direction into my life and have decided to shoulder as much responsibility I'm capable shouldering alone without loosing mysql'f. And it has impacted my life in so many positive ways. I think back those darkest times. and it's a truly humbling and beautiful time. because from where I'm sitting now all I can see is a chapter in my life necessary to grow my character and my soul into what I now know as my best life. And the best part is my best life gets better every day in some incremental way weather small or large it improves because I don't lay down and go to sleep without improving at least one thing every day in order to make tomorrow and shade better than today. Thank you jordan peterson . I grew up with a single mom addicted to drugs and alcohol I never met my father and it took me until I was 30 years of age before a friend suggested I check you out .and that day at that exact moment you spoke to me in a way nothing or anyone had ever spoke to me before. It truly changed my life just like that. And it was the best most empowering day of my life. There has been some rough times during my evolution no doubt. But I appreciated every moment all the same. I embraced that struggle. I try to be happy to have even been granted the opertunity, and provided with the knowledge, and perseverance to push through those hard times and not only push through them but to grow from them. And learn from them. It's truly remarkable what a simple change in the way you see yourself and interpret your turmoil can and will make in your life just simply by saying no. I refuse to lay down and just accept this . This will not be what I was capable of. This is not my best effort. You changed my life. the first video I watched of yours captivated me and I began consuming anything I could find with your name on it. And implementing it as best I could and it completely changed how I live day to day. How I take each hardship. How i face my deepest fears. I learned how to be a man. And more importantly how control the monster within. How to call on it when I need to be heard. And how to speak with purpose and conviction . Thank you I'm sorry I wrote you a novel but I remember hearing an interview you did and you said when you need to hear positivity that you often turn to comments on your videos. Maybe you will read this . Or better maybe it helps somone else to take the reins in there own life and start making life an opertunity rather than it being there prison like I spent the first 30 years of my life.
@RhodieRowley
3 жыл бұрын
I love hearing Jordan speak. I mostly have no idea what he is saying, but I can listen to it all day.
@NoUsernamae
3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much most of his fanbase. None of you have any idea what he's saying or if it's correct or incredibly wrong.
@scratchpenny
3 жыл бұрын
@@NoUsernamae I think that's true of any public figure with a large fanbase. There is always the cult of personality with popular public figures. That doesn't mean those figures don't provide some value, however. People can come away with what they find useful, as has always been done in mass communication. Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of being an intellectual. Nor do they have the time.
@NoUsernamae
3 жыл бұрын
@@scratchpenny it's debatable. Any public figure that has a following like this provides very little value. People turn them into a projected ideal, get attached to that image, and spend much of their time being emotionally moved whenever they see something for or against what that person has said. Psychologically, having an image to follow is catastrophic because it is an impediment to self knowledge. But of course I'm also no longer just talking about Peterson, like you said, it happens with all, more so with Peterson because anger resonates with people an insane amount in the current times, because we are outwardly civilised, and inwardly a mess, I don't want to go into the details of that but it's a topic that must be explored. These people seem to be helping. But in most cases. They aren't. They're just a placeholder for the collective unconscious to project itself.
@NoUsernamae
3 жыл бұрын
@We're living in a paradox. I do. I listened to him for quite a while, not because "I loved hearing him talk", but because I wanted to understand his ideas as well as possible since I thought they were very useful, unfortunately or fortunately I found out that wasn't the case. And then I realised most people don't even bother understanding the ideas he tries to spread.
@theflu6734
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha yeah seriously, but somehow I always know what he's getting at
@locutus2962
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a welder, and I listen to JP's podcasts pretty much all day while I weld. It makes me enjoy my job like 5x more than usual. It's like getting a college education while I make money.
@abudrda
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree 👍 we shouldn't stop educate ourselves till we die.
@r.g.1166
2 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to get my son into welding. If you have a little time someday I would like ask you some questions. Peace!
@devlincummingspas1682
2 жыл бұрын
I’m an electrician. I do the same thing. Hahaha
@Attackit2113
2 жыл бұрын
Lol same here in Cosmetic Inspection
@erichschinzel6486
2 жыл бұрын
Funny you say that, feel the same
@skateebee
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've ever seen Jordan so excited to speak with someone! Also kudos to him for stepping way outside of his comfort zone!
@bendavis2234
3 жыл бұрын
He appears so much healthier than in some of his earlier podcasts, emotionally and physically. I hope the continuation of these podcasts serves as something that’s therapeutic to him and aids Dr. Peterson in his recovery!
@cristohv
2 жыл бұрын
This comment has been repeated in almost every podcast he does lmao
@emajinitllc3831
2 жыл бұрын
you must never really watched Jordan then
@simonnevanpaesschen8335
3 жыл бұрын
I admire Jordan Peterson more and more with every podcast . If politicians would be able to debate in such a way , life would be so much better anywhere in the world. I will need to listen a few more times to really grasp it, but what a great source of knowledge and wisdom in these 2 minds . I'm in awe .
@groundedtruth1358
3 жыл бұрын
That's because you're watching people embody the archetype and it strikes you as admirable. You know from somewhere that acting like that towards each other, and if more people did that, is our best bet in not only surviving but in making the time that we have here in our "quantum bubble of experience," good and aiming at better. Why does that manifest as meaningful to you? that's a deep question - so much fun!
@fisch5220
3 жыл бұрын
These conversations are more packed with information than just about every school class I’ve ever participated in. Geez what a time to be alive!
@jamesgreig5168
Жыл бұрын
I was just thinking that. This 2 hours had more information than 1 year of my university course.
@sangeetsiv
3 жыл бұрын
I'll say this for Dr. Jordan Peterson, whatever his personal motivations, the man is great at a debate. It's just interesting stuff and if you're worried about political bias you shouldn't allow that to censor yourself from watching people who don't align with your beliefs. Diverse perspectives really do matter. Lawrence is his usual great self in this, glad to see he's enjoying it.
@r0ky_M
2 жыл бұрын
You need to watch JP debate Harris and Dillahunty..he makes a right fool of himself.
@ashok.vardhan.g
2 жыл бұрын
@@r0ky_M I have watched his interaction with Harris at Pangburn, and in my observation I did not see him making a fool of himself, at any point. In fact the discussion stretched into 4 different occasions. About the Dillahunty one, I cannot comment on, as I have not yet watched it, so I am curious, at which point exactly did you observe him making a fool of himself?
@ashok.vardhan.g
2 жыл бұрын
@Budda Brotha I agree, hence my careful use of language, and the specific words "interaction" and "discussion" to illustrate their conversation.
@galaxytraveler5779
2 жыл бұрын
I watched many debates with Lawrence and religious scholars. Lawrence is fantastic in debates.
@sysprogmanadhoc2785
2 жыл бұрын
Peterson is my fav pseudo-intellectual
@nicholaseaves2591
3 жыл бұрын
I love how many times i hear Peterson elaborate on one of Krauss's thoughts and you see this look of amazement, surprise and joy wash across his face as he agrees with what Peterson says
@incognitomcde1360
3 жыл бұрын
I think it is beyond expectation for someone like him to not only have the interviewer comprehend what you are saying but then follow up with relevant, interesting questions (outside of his colleagues, mean). It’s probably a breath of fresh air to take the training wheels off in conversation and to have the other person not get that glazed look in their eyes.
@christopher227n
3 жыл бұрын
@@incognitomcde1360 100% I get similar satisfaction, although I’m listening and not engaging in the conversation.
@swordarmstudios6052
3 жыл бұрын
Jordan asks good thoughtful questions. He's a good interviewer for scientists.
@pretol1
3 жыл бұрын
It's a nice thing to do when you have a "bring your child to work day", but it's not something scientists enjoy on a regular basis.
@electricpigs
3 жыл бұрын
agreed
@Arjun-eb1yc
3 жыл бұрын
He seems to know enough physics to ask good questions and make it interesting.
@parmachine470
3 жыл бұрын
Obviously, you are not in a position to define what a good question is.
@A_M_Bobb
3 жыл бұрын
No he isn't. He tries desperately to support his original narrative-driven beliefs.
@meinking22
3 жыл бұрын
My initial thought during the discussion was that Dr. Peterson was trying to identify the precise cosmological moment at which chaos is first injected into the universe, but then the 1:25:00 point kicked in and we're talking about the religious impulse, scientific method, meaning, physics and a potential proto-framework for the Woke psychology. Fantastic stuff from both participants! Thank You
@midnightwatchman1
3 жыл бұрын
your comment saves me from switching off. it is the same thing he speaks about all the time at all this conferences does not say anything particularly interesting and giving opinion on topics that was not asked
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns
3 жыл бұрын
No serious engagement with any of the best philosophers of religion.
@PrivateSi
3 жыл бұрын
I thought Peterson was mostly assessing Crazy Krauss's lefty liberal delusional, lofty, mindset and attitudes.. False humility that disrespects humanity mixed with conceited arrogance for himself and Science. Krauss is a proper nutter.
@midnightwatchman1
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns Krauss clueless and even worse he boasts about his ignorance. basically, if he does not know anything about it is not worth knowning. Philosophy and religion are useless in his worldview because he cannot test it. then comes up with his own framework which is equally untestable for finding purpose out of purposelessness
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns
3 жыл бұрын
@@midnightwatchman1 I agree, although I’d qualify your use of “test” by adding the word “scientifically.” I think to an extent one can “test” the claims of natural theology with reason a la Josh Rasmussen, Ed Feser, David Bentley Hart, Rob Koons, etc
@rictormantas
Жыл бұрын
I hope that these two brilliant minds come together more. This is one of the best learning experiences I’ve ever had
@jupitermoongauge4055
Жыл бұрын
Krause is certainly intelligent. Peterson is just a fascist con artist
@chrisd997
3 жыл бұрын
I like dr Peterson trying to understand and most importantly how hungry he is to learn more about quantum physics. respect Sir ✊
@multiquantumwell
2 жыл бұрын
In fact he fears the truth that there's no god. He Is worried for loosing his metaphoric substrate of his ethos ☝️😂
@avatar2833
2 жыл бұрын
@@multiquantumwell I love Dr. Peterson, but he did not dare make those wishy-washy religious sophistry he usually employs in his pseudoscientific apologetics for Christianity. When it comes to psychology, and psychiatry, he is a truly gifted doctor and writer (also his cultural and ideological critique of modern culture).
@harrypalmer3481
3 жыл бұрын
The older I get the less surprised about people I become, with increasing sadness. I'm so pleased at being surprised by how well this discussion went, thank you Gentlemen!
@camrobinson118
2 жыл бұрын
As an atheist I have been troubled by Krauss' sometimes shrill rhetoric and out of hand dismissal of the value of religion, and equally, I have been perplexed by Peterson's confidence in the merit of religion's 'metaphorical substrate.' Their discussion, particularly at the end of the podcast, went a long way towards assuaging my concerns regarding their respective positions; particularly their dialectic has for me, put a more humane face on Lawrence Krauss' world view and given me a greater insight as to Jordan Peterson's somewhat vague endorsement of religion. For me, this conversation has elevated both their individual views of science and religion, and my esteem for their intellectual honesty.
@missnellaful
2 жыл бұрын
Very astute observervation. You pointed out a fascinating part that many may not pick up, thank you!
@amygolds2435
2 жыл бұрын
I love listening to highly intelligent people speak. Their back and forth makes me feel so dumb and yet here I am learning every time I listen to JP ❤️
@Killsringman
3 жыл бұрын
Huge fan of both gentlemen on this episode, Jordan's proclivity to mass produce so many intriguing podcast talks one after another amazes me, and I chuckled with joy and interest of Lawrence's huge (and swift!)enthusiasm of explaining the laws of physics in here, which is of course remarkable. Thank you both so much for having enriched my life as well as many others!
@BlockchainGhost
3 жыл бұрын
Ditto! Aside the remarkable content & energy of the podast, it's truly enjoyable to witness how these two great minds enjoy talking to each other.
@jasonmckay8793
3 жыл бұрын
blow some more smoke up asses mate lol
@ArtistVisuals
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmckay8793 England lost and thats ok
@SolvingTheMoneyProblem
3 жыл бұрын
Great conversation. Looking forward to part two on Krauss’s podcast.
@TimAwolz
3 жыл бұрын
Krauss is a pea dough file and took Epstein's money and defended him.
@Eric.Morrison
3 жыл бұрын
If you're new, welcome. If you're not, welcome back.
@meanwhileinsooke
3 жыл бұрын
He almost died of drug addiction and covid what a fucking hypocrite
@extraspecialk3244
3 жыл бұрын
@@meanwhileinsooke He took a medication that his doctor prescribed him, then kicked it when he realized how bad it was. He never claimed COVID wasn't a serious illness. What hypocrisy are you referring too?
@danteinferno175
3 жыл бұрын
Totally underestimated podcast. Absolutely fascinating. And in previous podcasts sometimes I would feel like Peterson was "interrupting" his guest but in this podcast his questions were startlingly insightful and his enthusiasm only potentiated the responses of his guest. Anyone reading the comments here, watch the whole podcast! Fascinating!
@renupathak4442
Жыл бұрын
Love Lawrence Krauss' s enthusiasm, articulation, abundant knowledge, and, though himself, a brilliant man how simply he explains the complex. Thank you Dr Jordan for your pertinent questions. I marvel at your interest
@dnelson5638
3 жыл бұрын
Now we need an interview with Stephen Meyer to get the metaphysical view on cosmology and his book Return of the God Hypthesis
@alexisidro
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Two magnificent leaders of two amazing fields collide; one explaining why and how behind human behavior (psychology), and the other one explaining why and how behind nature (physics). Why I love both! 🔥
@gregorywilkinson5731
3 жыл бұрын
This got real good towards the end hopefully there's a follow up soon
@john99776
3 жыл бұрын
Totally disagree. It was good during the better part of the podcast, and then, just like religious people always do, Jordan started trying to make weak arguments to finish with, hoping to salvage some of his beliefs in the vain hope of overpowering Krauss and have listeners go away distracted by his religious nonsense.. I see this happen again and again, especially with Jordan. He always exhibits his weakness of religious belief, trying to make it look scientific. Which it is not....it's simply mental weakness. He squirms around and tries every feint and trick to make this foolishness sound convincing. He does it in every discussion.....and it doesn't fly. I don't respect the fact that he doesn't give it up and become convinced by reason, but just keeps it up nonetheless.
@Sawedoff53
3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@Sawedoff53
3 жыл бұрын
@@john99776 you don't know
@gregorywilkinson5731
3 жыл бұрын
@@john99776 how do you know?
@CrimsonFlameRTR
3 жыл бұрын
@@john99776 "He always exhibits his weakness of religious belief, trying to make it look scientific." It's like you don't even listen. He actually does the opposite. He makes it look un-scientific, because it is.
@jamesgreig5168
Жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure to watch Jordan Peterson interviews. I must say, Lawrence is far more comfortable in this topic then his lecture on climate. One field he is an expert, the other, climatology, he tried to be an expert.
@charlesrump5771
3 жыл бұрын
Whenever Krauss says "literally nothing", he means something.
@CRHE
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he’s been corrected by philosophers on this time and again, but he’s too full of himself to listen.
@HolyKhaaaaan
3 жыл бұрын
It means something that empirically is nothing. But just because it cannot be measured does not mean it does not exist.
@glynsmith60
3 жыл бұрын
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@bryanfoster2651
3 жыл бұрын
@@CRHE LOL This is not a question that philosophers can help with
@GeroG3N
3 жыл бұрын
@@bryanfoster2651 Yes, it is. It's literally semantics.
@chriscain5116
3 жыл бұрын
Jordan your words of wisdom have helped me a lot. Wish you were my dad seriously.
@noenken
3 жыл бұрын
This was great, can't wait for the second meeting of these two.
@dialektischerjokus7648
3 жыл бұрын
To see Krauss on here is... a really good sign.
@CanWeGetDeep
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve wished for this exact podcast for a few years now. THANK YOU
@CanWeGetDeep
2 жыл бұрын
@Phil Stevens thank you Phil Stevens
@rafaelfreitas6159
3 жыл бұрын
I'm just letting my appreciation on how deep a thinker JP is.
@Lost_In_LA
3 жыл бұрын
I'm blown away that Jordan is keeping up with a physicist on topics such as thermodynamics and creation of the universe.
@WrinkledPlatypus
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Dr Peterson pushed him on motivations of scientists today. I see too many that are clearly motivated by political beliefs, like the fact that he was a part of the doomsday clock. That's not a scientific tool, that's a political tool used to produce an emotional response.
@alaricgoldkuhl155
3 жыл бұрын
I think it's deeper than political. I think it's a translation of scientific consensus into a language that we can intuitively understand. I think we need way more of it.
@WrinkledPlatypus
3 жыл бұрын
@@alaricgoldkuhl155 again, there could be "consensus" politically but the concept of the doomsday clock is completely subjective and reminds me of another "consensus" that we should never question, which, as a matter of fact, he might have been showing off his religious beliefs on that subject too based on one of the obviously placed books in his background.
@MrBSmizzle
3 жыл бұрын
Really noticing how much better Jordan is looking and sounding - fantastic news. What a brilliantly courageous man.
@64kdawg
3 жыл бұрын
My god, this channel is bringing the brightest minds in the planet together.👍🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸 Dr.Peterson is assembling the intellectual AVENGERS🔥
@charlierose5569
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, everyone. I just want to say that I have been here since 86,000 followers. Can’t wait until we hit 4 million. We love you, Jordan!
@mladenstoychev8254
3 жыл бұрын
Never in my life had a conversation made me so happy.
@mladenstoychev8254
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWorldTeacher replying to comments on KZitem. Lol I just appreciate being able to watch and listen such minds converse, man. None of my predecessors could do that.
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
@@mladenstoychev8254 🐟 15. SUFFERING & HAPPINESS: To understand the nature of suffering, it is ABSOLUTELY imperative to first distinguish suffering from pain (and too, happiness from pleasure). There is a spectrum of pleasure and pain, with an extremely narrow neutral mid-point. Obviously, what constitutes a pleasurable or painful experience is dependent on an individual person's unique preferences. Not everybody likes the taste of chocolate. The feeling of pleasure/pain does NOT, ultimately, come from any external stimulus, believe it or not. It is located entirely in the mind and/or the intellect. That is the reason why highly-advanced spiritual adepts are able to renounce practically all pleasure-seeking activities, content with consuming simple foodstuffs and adequate sleep, and find continuous peace, happiness, and joy, within themselves (“ātmarāma” or “sva-sthaḥ”, in Sanskrit). Furthermore, the adjudication of whether a certain experience is either pleasurable or painful for a particular person can VARY according to circumstance. For example, one may have enjoyed consuming dairy products as a child, but as a vegetarian/vegan adult, find the taste of putrefied milk (cheese, yoghurt, butter, etc.) to be revolting. For one who is dying of starvation, the consumption of cactus leaves may seem to be rather pleasing to the senses, even though, in normal circumstances, it may be distasteful. There are THREE kinds of pleasure/pain: physical, emotional, and financial. For instance, consuming one’s favourite kind of fruit is physically pleasurable. Being hit by a falling coconut - physical pain. Falling in love is an example of psycho-emotional pleasure. Being angry at another - psychological pain. Winning a lottery is an example of financial pleasure. Being robbed - financial pain. There are three origins or CAUSES of pleasure/pain: one’s own body/mind (“adhyātma”, in Sanskrit) other persons/animals (“adhibhūta”, in Sanskrit), and material nature (“adhidaiva”, in Sanskrit). Some “suffer” pain from lack of money. Others “suffer” pain from an abundance of wealth. Some “suffer” pain from lack of food. Others “suffer” pain from an abundance of food. The quality of the “suffering” is different but the NATURE of the “suffering” is the same. OBVIOUSLY, in the previous paragraph, the term “suffer” is used in the stead of “experience”, because that is how the word is used in everyday parlance, in order to draw attention to the fact that pain can be due to an abundance of material opulence as well as a lack of material wealth. GENUINE suffering, on the other hand, is the result of mistaking oneself to be the author of one’s thoughts and actions, and other persons to be fully in control of their own thoughts and deeds. There are five forms (or symptoms) of suffering - all PSYCHOLOGICAL in nature: 1. Guilt/Shame 2. Blame/Bitterness 3. Pride/Arrogance 4. Worry/Anxiety 5. Regrets about the past and expectations for the future/Attachment to outcomes (i.e. being inattentive or negligent to the present moment) Suffering can be COMPLETELY transcended by understanding its source and consciously avoiding its manifestations. For example, as a child, your mother may have been particularly violent towards you. As clearly demonstrated in the chapter dealing with free-will, her violence was wholly due to her genetics and societal conditioning, neither of which were under her control. Blaming your mother for her actions leads to psychological anguish, which can only be cured by focusing on the sense of “I am”. In other words, by resorting to one’s essential nature (knowing one’s innermost being to be Pure Consciousness), one is emancipated from all sorrow. The initial feeling of anger towards your mother was a natural reaction to her violence, but the enduring resentment is existential misery. Any physical pain you may have experienced was just that - pain. That pain is not to be discounted, but it has probably faded-away into the distant past. The psychological distress or torment that you are currently experiencing is the ACTUAL suffering, and it can easily be negated by a proper attitude to life. When we contemplate painful past events (or possible future events) those thoughts occur, ostensively, in the present. It is simply not possible to experience the past or future - only the present moment and the thoughts and feelings of the present are experienced. Therefore, it is important to understand and acknowledge that suffering can only occur in the present and can be cured with mindful practices. It is beneficial to also consult a qualified psychotherapist on a regular basis, in order to slowly heal from such mental angst. When a man kicks his pet dog, the dog does NOT spend the remaining years of its life being angry or resentful towards its master. Dogs have very little concept of past, present and future, but live their lives from moment to moment. How unfortunate it is that lower animals are naturally more at peace with their circumstances than we highly-evolved human beings! Even if several of the more highly-evolved species of animals experience some of the five forms of psychological suffering, it does not seem to persist in the same way as it does for human beings. On a rather personal note, even before I fully grasped this teaching (and when I was a Theist), I sent the following message to my second ex-wife, which illustrates my understanding of her actions: “I want to assure you that I have absolutely no bitterness towards you WHATSOEVER for persecuting me. You are simply carrying-out the orders of your perverted, ignorant mind, and I pray that my Master forgives all your wicked thoughts and acts. My own heart is completely free of anger. I pity you and look forward to the day when you finally turn from sin.” When one fully imbibes the understanding that life is completely and utterly preordained, and that no living creature has individual free-will (see Chapter 11), one has no choice BUT to quit blaming, shaming, worrying, being prideful, and being attached to the results of his actions. Deep peace and happiness arises naturally as a consequence. Obviously, the understanding of the non-existence of personal freedom (as well as all the other concepts in this Holy Scripture) are also the result of destiny. The unfortunate fact is, even though unqualified peace is available to everyone, particularly in the current age (due to mass communication), very few human beings are destined for it. To put it very succinctly, true peace/happiness is simply the TRUE self. When the five forms of suffering come to an end (by liberation from the belief in individual agency), only unbroken peace of mind remains. It is completely independent of any temporal circumstances whatsoever. The common belief that happiness originates from sensory or psychological pleasures is an outright falsehood. One can eat only so much chocolate before the pleasure turns to pain. Even a man who fucks hundreds of beautiful women will eventually tire of his sexual conquests, and attempt to seek satisfaction by another means. “Pleasure” is often conflated with “happiness”, as are the terms “pain” and “suffering”. It ought to be noted that there is a rather blurry line between psycho-emotive pain and actual suffering, so any confusion is understandable. Cont...
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
There are three kinds of PLEASURE, according to the three modes (“trī-guṇa”, in Sanskrit) described in Chapter 18: Pleasures in the Mode of PURITY (“sattva guṇa”, in Sanskrit) are those pleasures which seem to be difficult or hazardous in the beginning but turn-out to be sweet or enjoyable in the end. For example, studying medicine for almost a decade in university can be rather stressful and taxing, but once the student graduates and begins his career as a physician, he experiences the pleasure of being a healer to his community and earning a high-income. Pleasures in the Mode of PASSION (“rajas guṇa”, in Sanskrit) are those which are enjoyable in the beginning but turn to pain in the end. For instance, most everyone enjoys eating a slice of chocolate cake (or sweet tropical fruit, for those of us who are health-conscious) but the more of it one consumes, the more painful it will become, due to indigestion, bloating, and/or sugar-poisoning. Pleasures in the Mode of DARKNESS (“tamas guṇa”, in Sanskrit) are those which are toxic from beginning to end. For example, sleeping is a state of nescience (of daily life) and from the time one falls asleep to the time one awakens, one is prone to being attacked by one's enemies. Over-sleeping often results in lethargy. Smoking tobacco can also be considered tamasic, since ingesting smoke is toxic, and cancer may ensue. Humans have FOUR objectives, aims, purposes, or goals in life (“puruṣārtha”, in Sanskrit): 1. PLEASURE (“kāma”, in Sanskrit) includes all forms of sensual stimulation which provides a positive feeling in the mind of any particular individual. Thus pleasure-seeking is a legitimate aim, provided that it causes no undue harm to another living creature or to the biosphere. 2. PROSPERITY (“artha”, in Sanskrit) is seeking wealth in the form of real property or money, again, providing it has no detrimental effect on others (in other words, a legitimate means of accumulating wealth). Here, “legitimate” is used in the etymological sense of “lawful”. 3. RELIGIOSITY (“dharma”, in Sanskrit) signifies behaviours that are considered to be in accord with established universal principles, including duties, laws, morals, virtues, and righteous living. Read Chapters 12 onwards to become acquainted with the principles of religiosity/dharma. 4. LIBERATION (“mokṣa”, in Sanskrit) is freedom from suffering, as previously defined, and is considered to be the most noble of the four goals. This was traditionally interpreted as emancipation from the cycle of birth and death (“saṃsāra”, in Sanskrit) or soteriology (“going to Heaven”). As one goes through childhood, one naturally seeks sensory pleasures. As one enters adulthood, one starts to seek methods of acquiring material wealth, whether that be serving an employer, embarking on a mercantile enterprise, or seeking marriage to a well-to-do suitor. If and when one becomes disillusioned by pleasure and/or wealth, one makes enquiries into self-improvement and religious systems. When none of the former objectives provides the definitive peace and happiness which humans are ultimately seeking, one FINALLY aspires for liberation. Of course, there is no reason why ALL four objectives cannot be accomplished simultaneously. A truly-enlightened sage is fully comfortable in seeking pleasure (without going to undue lengths to achieve pleasure, and without being attached to the pleasures themselves), gaining sufficient wealth to meet his material requisites and the needs of his family, engaging in religious festivals and other dharmic activities (even if he has transcended all dogmas and rituals - most persons enjoy partaking in major religious festivities) and, of course, being liberated from the cycle of birth and death (or to be more accurate, from the sense of “doership“, which is, as explained, the origin of all psychological sorrows). “The animal does not have to face the kind of problems which oppress man and which are created by the operation of the intellect. An animal's sense of consonance and dissonance, affinity and antipathy, is intuitive and in-built as conditioned reflex, rather than subject to the complex interference of ratiocination, by which man is not only aware of his perceptions and actions, but also thinks about them. ” ************* “Pain and pleasure exist for animals, but it is not a problem for them, because the animal does not regret the past pain or fear the future danger. He lives in the NOW of nature. It is only the human being, who concerns himself with imagined opposites, which has a problem. There are, in fact, no opposites whatsoever, except as concepts, produced by the imagination.” ************* “It is impossible in life, to have the pleasure that is wanted, without the pain that is not wanted. They are, in fact, mutually interdependent, and therefore, inseparable.” ************* “One does not experience suffering - one suffers an experience. One who is aware of his true identity does not and can not suffer.” Ramesh Balsekar, Indian Spiritual Teacher. “Suffering exists, but no sufferer can be found. Actions exist, but no doer of actions is there. Nirvana exists, but no one who enters it. The Path exists, but no traveller can be seen.” Venerable Buddhaghosa, Visuddhimagga, 513.
@michaellezama1398
3 жыл бұрын
Ikr this convo puts a smile on my face
@richardarcilla
3 жыл бұрын
I am an electron captured by Peterson’s and Krauss’ proton/neutron.
@Remnants100
Жыл бұрын
I am in agreement with many of the comments here. This is without doubt one of the most interesting discussions ever posted on KZitem. Two great minds who are both able to articulate their particular views whilst keeping it respectful.
@timewalker6654
3 жыл бұрын
I so wanted Peterson to talk with a physicist
@multiquantumwell
2 жыл бұрын
And Peterson did not understand nothing. ☝️😭
@DeeFrancisPadamadan
3 жыл бұрын
This should be interesting 🧐 I look forward to the next couple of hours! Thanks Jordan! I am going to get withdrawal symptoms if I don’t listen to you for more than a week!!
@holysquire8989
2 жыл бұрын
What unites these two is their passion and joy for ideas and this joy suffuses the listener.
@frankmuysers6001
3 жыл бұрын
When the galaxies of psychology, physics and psychedelics merge, we'll hit a whole new level of understanding and finally grasp the origin of the religious impulse. This conversation speared straight in that direction and I enjoyed the ride.
@pretol1
3 жыл бұрын
"galaxies of psychology" is all you need to know about the Jordan Peterson audience.
@cindyd2956
3 жыл бұрын
@@pretol1 I spit out my tea when I read that 😂
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
02. A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF “LIFE”: Everything, both perceptible and imperceptible - that is, any gross or subtle OBJECT within the material universe which can ever be perceived with the cognitive faculties, plus the SUBJECT (the observer of all phenomena) - is to what most persons generally refer when they use the term “God”, since they usually conceive of the Primeval Creator as being the Perfect Person, and “God” (capitalized) is a personal epithet of the Unconditioned Absolute. However, this anthropomorphized conception of The Absolute is a fictional character of divers mythologies. According to most every enlightened sage in the history of this planet, Ultimate Reality is, far more logically, Impersonal Absolute NOTHINGNESS (otherwise called “The Tao”, “The Great Spirit”, “Brahman”, “Pure Consciousness”, “Eternal Awareness”, “Independent Existence”, “The Ground of All Being”, “Uncaused Nature”, “The Undifferentiated Substratum of Reality”, “The Unified Field”, et cetera). In other words, rather than the Supreme Truth being a separate Blissful, Supra-Conscious Being (The Godhead Himself or The Goddess), Ultimate Reality is Eternal-Existence Limitless-Awareness Unconditional-Peace ITSELF. Because the Unmanifested Absolute is infinite creative potentiality, “it” actualizes as EVERYTHING, in the form of temporary, cyclical universes. In the case of our particular universe, we reside in a cosmos consisting of space-time, matter and energy, without, of course, neglecting the most fundamental dimension of existence (i.e. conscious awareness - although, “it” is, being the subject, by literal definition, non-existent). Just as a knife cannot cut itself, nor the mind comprehend itself, nor the eyes see themselves, The Absolute cannot know Itself (or at least objectively EXPERIENCE Itself), and so, has manifested this phenomenal universe within Itself for the purpose of experiencing Itself, particularly through the lives of self-aware beings, such as we sophisticated humans. Therefore, this world of duality is really just a play of consciousness within Consciousness, in the same way that a dream is a person's sleeping narrative set within the life-story of an 'awakened' individual. APPARENTLY, this phenomenal universe was created with the primal act (the so-called “Big Bang”), which started, supposedly, as a minute, slightly uneven ball of light, which in turn, was instigated, ultimately, by Extra-Temporal Supra-Consciousness. From that first deed, every motion or action that has ever occurred has been a direct (though, almost exclusively, an indirect) result of it. Just as all the extant energy in the universe was once contained within the inchoate singularity, Infinite Consciousness was NECESSARILY present at the beginning of the universe, and is in no way an epiphenomenon of a neural network. Discrete consciousness, on the other hand, is entirely dependent on the neurological faculty of individual animals (the more highly-evolved the species, the greater its cognitive abilities). “Sarvam khalvidam brahma” (a Sanskrit maxim from the “Chandogya Upanishad”, meaning ‘all this is indeed Brahman’ or ‘everything is the Universal Self alone’). There is NAUGHT but Eternal Being, Conscious Awareness, Causeless Peace - and you are, quintessentially, that! This “Theory of Everything” can be more succinctly expressed by the mathematical equation: E=A͚ (Everything equates to Infinite Awareness). HUMANS are essentially this Eternally-Aware-Peace, acting through an extraordinarily-complex biological organism, comprised of the eight rudimentary elements - pseudo-ego (the assumed sense of self), intellect, mind, solids, liquids, gases, heat (fire), and ether (three-dimensional space). When one peers into a mirror, one doesn’t normally mistake the reflected image to be one’s real self, yet that is how we humans conventionally view our ever-mutating forms. We are, rather, in a fundamental sense, that which witnesses all transitory appearances. Everything which can be presently perceived, both tangible and immaterial, including we human beings, is a culmination of that primary manifestation. That is the most accurate and rational explanation for “karma” - everything was preordained from the initial spark, and every action since has unfolded as it was predestined in ETERNITY, via an ever-forward-moving trajectory. The notion of retributive (“tit for tat”) karma is just that - an unverified belief. Likewise, the notion of a distinct, reincarnating “soul” or “spirit” is largely a fallacious belief. Whatever state in which we currently find ourselves, is the result of two factors - our genetic make-up at conception and our present-life conditioning (which may include mutating genetic code). Every choice ever made by every human and non-human animal was determined by those two factors ALONE. Therefore, free-will is purely illusory, despite what most believe. As a consequence of residing within this dualistic universe, we experience a lifelong series of fluctuating, transient pleasures and pains, which can take the form of physical, emotional, and/or financial pleasure or pain. Surprisingly to most, suffering and pain are NOT synonymous. Suffering is due to a false sense of personal 'doership' - the belief that one is a separate, independent author of one’s thoughts, emotions, and deeds, and that, likewise, other persons are autonomous agents, with complete volition to act, think, and feel as they wish. Another way of stating the same concept is: suffering is due to the intellect being unwilling or unable to accept life as it manifests moment by moment. There are five SYMPTOMS of suffering, all of which are psychological in nature: 1. Guilt 2. Blame 3. Pride 4. Anxiety 5. Regrets about the past and expectations for the future These types of suffering are the result of not properly understanding what was explained above - that life is a series of happenings and NOT caused by the individual living beings. No living creature, including Homo sapiens, has personal free-will. There is only the Universal, Divine Will at play, acting through every body, to which William Shakespeare famously alluded when he scribed “All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.” The human organism is essentially a biopsychological machine, comprised of the five gross material elements and the three subtle material elements, listed above. The ANTIDOTE to all mental anguish is to firstly discern pain from suffering, then to achieve complete relief from that miserable state of existence, by abandoning the erroneous belief in personal authorship, and abiding in the primordial sense of being (the unqualified “I am”, which is one's core identity). This is the very same peace which is experienced each night during the dreamless phase of the sleep cycle. This 'resting imperturbably as Flawless Awareness' can be practiced on a regular basis, until it is fully assimilated and integrated into one's life. Every person, from time immemorial, has been either intentionally or unwittingly seeking such causeless peace, most commonly by practicing one of the four systems of YOGA (religion) delineated in the sixteenth chapter of this work, or else in creating wealth and the acquisition of material possessions, or in psycho-physical pleasures. That peace of mind is often referred to as “happiness”, “joy”, or “love”, and often presumed to be a temporal state, since many assume, incorrectly, that continuous peace is unavailable in this life. Fortunately, that is not the case - it is eminently possible to live one's life acquainted with unbroken peace of mind, if destined. Following DHARMA (frameworks of authentic religion and societal duties) is not guaranteed to achieve that desired tranquillity of mind, but even so, it is beneficial for individuals, since it establishes a structure which enables one to more easily elevate oneself beyond the mundane, animalistic platform (i.e. the base pursuits of eating, sleeping and mating). Intrinsic to dharma is the division of the adult male population into the four classes of society and the inherent role of girls and women in society, as fully elucidated in latter chapters of this Holy Scripture. So, now that you understand life, and the reason why we are suffering here in this (ostensively) material universe, you are now able to become liberated from all mental suffering, RIGHT? WRONG! It is imperative to approach an authentic spiritual master to assist you to come to the above realization, by slowly undoing your past conditioning. Just as you have been conditioned over an entire lifetime to think one way, you need to be re-conditioned to think another way (in alignment with your essential identity as The Divine). For one who has himself for a teacher, that man has a veritable fool as his teacher. Even if you adhere closely to the precepts of a competent teacher, you may still not come to a full understanding of life, but if you are sincere, humble and dedicated, you will definitely find more peace in your daily life - all of which was DESTINED to occur, of course. Furthermore, if you are suitably-qualified and it was ordained, you may be fortunate enough to receive discipline from one of the EXTREMELY rare fully-enlightened masters residing on earth at any given time (perchance even the current World Teacher himself), and subsequently realize the aforementioned fundamental concepts, by diligently studying authoritative doctrines (especially the most accurate and complete of all extant Scriptures, this “Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”), serving your guru with great reverence and devotion, and by deliberately avoiding undue harm to oneself, to other individuals, to society as a whole, and to the natural environment. ☮️
@cindyd2956
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWorldTeacher wow that’s quite the synopsis. Thank you for thanking the time for this reply. You sound very wise World Teacher.
@A_M_Bobb
3 жыл бұрын
What?
@Jason-ln7ot
2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyable conversation. I appreciate you Mr. Peterson . The world needed you. Its fact to me that God and what he is is the beginning of the universe. Scientifically it is the only way possible. Your guest is corret in some part but not about God and the Beginning.
@guitar0wnz
3 жыл бұрын
It is just absolutely insane how every guest is a home run
@ronarkom1611
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, both of my intellectual heroes in one podcast! You guys should do public speaking events.
@joshuaswick
2 жыл бұрын
The difference between someone that appreciates first principles and someone who doesn't. I applaud Lawrence Krauss on his patience here.
@anzebenko6466
3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see him talk to stephen meyer
@coffeemachtspass
3 жыл бұрын
Or Stephanie Meyer. 😂 The mashup of the century there.
@rakibulhasan5597
3 жыл бұрын
xD, for a moment i thought u were talking bout twilight author 😂
@slm2374
3 жыл бұрын
Admitting that one’s mind glazes over when belief or faith becomes part of a scientific discussion means the person hasn’t explored how those issues may/may not relate to science, at least certainly not to the degree he can engage in an intelligent discussion about them. This dismantles the assertion that one believes in questioning empirical data.
@popvinnik
3 жыл бұрын
@@daveconrad6562 Seriously? Science has taught me more about humility than anything else I can think of when it revealed what a minuscule spec of matter I am in comparison to this mind bogglingly immense universe. All faith does is teach people how to accept answers which make them comfortable regardless of whether they're true or not.
@simonmasters3295
3 жыл бұрын
Oh Dave....
@colinross3755
3 жыл бұрын
When you can believe anything (right and wrong things) it demonstrates that belief/faith are unreliable. They are often unfalsifiable and therefore have no place in science as they do not help or demonstrate anything. Would you use a prescribed drug that someone had faith in (even though such a drug wouldn’t be prescribed on that basis) or use the one that has been tested and verified through science. When you have a heart attack will you appeal to faith that god will fix it or see a cardiologist who can evidence that the treatment you will receive is the tried and tested treatment. C’mon get real eh
@OmegaCaldereroid
19 күн бұрын
❤❤❤ FAIL EFFECTIVELY... ❤❤❤ Thanks Dr. Krauss... one of my favourite Modern Physicists...
@michaeljohn8593
3 жыл бұрын
I like this guy Jordan is talking to, very smart and authentic. Helpful in ways even when your thinking deep
@diazigy
3 жыл бұрын
This entire conversation was amazing and I hope to see at least five more.
@FalonRyan
2 жыл бұрын
I remember attending a public lecture where Dr Krauss' spoke on his work A Universe of Nothing. What a pleasure it is to hear these two :)
@JDSCT
3 жыл бұрын
This is easily one of the best long form discussions I've watched in a long time. Really looking forward to their next meeting.
@CanWeGetDeep
3 жыл бұрын
“Oo-okeyy, let me ask you a question about THAT” - JP
@JohnsAwild1
2 жыл бұрын
It's Hard to believe someone with that much knowledge isn't smart enough to read or comprehend the bible. WOW if you don't want to believe just a little you will never fully understand! God bless you Jorden Peterson
@simplylaith
3 жыл бұрын
I never understand a thing Lawrence talks about yet I continuously listen to him regardless. whats that about?
@zac3392
3 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, he doesn’t understand much of what he talks about either...
@GrimTTL
3 жыл бұрын
It means you are curious. Better than listening to things you already know.
@rosemaryalles6043
3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVED this conversation. These minds are well matched. Thank you!
@galaxytraveler5779
2 жыл бұрын
I have watched many debates between Lawrence Krauss and various religious scholars over the years. Lawrence has always mentioned about how scientists enjoy being wrong, and he is right. That is the whole idea; to challenge what you think you know. "A scientist that cannot accept being wrong is not a good scientist." -Lawrence Krauss, probably
@Greg400
3 жыл бұрын
I never thought JP would ever talk to Krauss. Very awesome!
@mariovazquezcruz1183
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that great interview. Well, I think that Dr. Krauss is very open to the posible explanations that science propose…even if they are almost unthinkable…but has an…irrational opposition to the possibility of a spiritual reality. We don’t know…maybe there is an spiritual reality even more complex and grater than this universe. But intellectual humility is necessary.
@anonymoususer4356
2 жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite intellectuals. What a privilege. I could listen to them for 5 plus hours on a regular basis. Thank you
@VirgoBirrane
3 жыл бұрын
Wow...I never really gave Krauss a chance before this interview, he's brilliant. Great interview by Peterson, thank you 👏👏👏
@oghaki5097
2 жыл бұрын
lol, no, he's not.
@roshan6423
3 жыл бұрын
Dr.Peterson, hope you’re doing good. I was just wondering when you’ll be starting your lecture series on the Biblical stories, and you specifically talked about Exodus, so….. just curious. I’m really looking forward to it.
@draparnashukla677
3 жыл бұрын
Fall this year
@glynsmith60
3 жыл бұрын
To any JP fans...Im looking for an accomplished singer/acoustic guitar player with a folk/soft rock style to cover a fully completed song dedicated to Jordans 12 Rules books and philosophies.If you are interested and think you might be able to help let me know, and we can arrange contact! Thanks,
@WideAwakeHuman
3 жыл бұрын
@Evolved Primate oh please
@FinnyC
3 жыл бұрын
@@glynsmith60 Is there any money in it?
@WideAwakeHuman
3 жыл бұрын
@Nathaniel Luis Reyhan Soesilo JBP has specifically said Harris is just still too close minded to understand anything that science can't explain, which is still a near infinite amount of information. If anything, JBP has come closer to being a Believer.
@porfiriomendozawolf7255
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to listen to something while playing Minecraft and ended up watching this while just kinda jumping around and not even leaving the house
@paigemccormick6519
2 жыл бұрын
Lawrence Krauss is so delightful!!
@hardikchoksi7523
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, this is a fucking goldmine of knowledge, and it's insane that we're getting it for free !
@mikek9297
3 жыл бұрын
I think it's insane some people just will not listen or even try to understand. Because of prejusdice or some ill-concieved beliefs. it's tragic.
@ClaudioSCosta-rp2gh
3 жыл бұрын
Two brilliants minds. It was a great podcast. Thank you Jordan for this free knowledge. 🙂🙂
@williambiggs3699
2 жыл бұрын
Krause has been a favorite of mine for a long time and recently I've enjoyed Peterson very much. In answer to Peterson's question, what is the meaning of life?, We have an answer. The answer is 42
@gabriel_mf
3 жыл бұрын
What an amazing conversation. I was so intrigued by their discussion about spirituality. I think we all would benefit from a continuation of that debate. Looking foward for their next encounter.
@varuna6089
2 жыл бұрын
So much intellect between these two wonderful men. So much to learn.
@applejuice3562
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm smarter than I think I am, just for being able to understand what they are talking about. I'm honestly impressed with myself.
@geico1975
3 жыл бұрын
Question: What's the mark of a true intellectual? Answer: To make muddy otherwise clear water.
@emmanuelboakye1124
3 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@juang.garcia8454
3 жыл бұрын
AWESOME CONVERSATION!! I ENJOYED THIS ONE SO MUCH!!
@hymnsake
3 жыл бұрын
Really love how animated Lawrence got once he was able to mention his object of adoration; the Nothingness that produced everything without God. The Lord lives rent free in this man's head
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
Are you a THEIST? 🤔 If so, what are the reasons for your BELIEF in God? 🤓
@Stumashedpotatoes
3 жыл бұрын
mind elaborating? why do you take his view that Nothingness made everything to be a sign he is thinking about God?
@josiahclarke3535
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWorldTeacher Are you an ATHEIST? If so, give me a reason for your disbelief?
@Jack-yq6ui
3 жыл бұрын
@@josiahclarke3535 sure: if you are claiming that your "god" is good, than it is obvious he does not exist. The laws of physics do not allow unaided flight, meaning that a large number of people will die due to falls, planecrashes, etc etc. Now this would not be so bad were it not for the fact that the same laws of physics DO allow for splitting atoms and therefore creating atomic bombs. - so in your absolutely insane view: your god made these laws in such a way as to produce that, he could have switched that around, he COULD have made the laws such that unaided flight is possible, but atomic bombs are not, but apparently he did not, which is so utterly evil, of such all encompassing cosmic neglect that to even suggest that some "entity" is responsible for it is to either immediately ascribe either pure evil, or complete disinterest to our existence and predicament, to that entity. But thats when you are dumb enough to think any of this shit, the truth is rather obvious: there is no god. considering how dumb that truly is, I have no hope you will even understand what I am saying, im betting the house that you will either not respond, or completely misunderstand and argue a strawman. because again, you're a fucking idiot, I mean you asked someone to justify non-belief. I mean I literally cant do that, I would simply start vomiting uncontrollably doing something THAT braindead.
@josiahclarke3535
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jack-yq6ui I think you got something confused here. When did I make any claims to religious belief?
@smabbacares599
2 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year 2022 to everyone reeading this educative podcast.
@pedrovelazquez138
3 жыл бұрын
-"They didn´t get the point, they are all woke". That´s the perfect description to try to reason with my generation.
@andrewshomakhyia9211
3 жыл бұрын
Your comment gives me hope!!
@briansellden6115
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewshomakhyia9211 You don't reason with generations. You reason with individuals.
@boxing388
3 жыл бұрын
@Gg personally I think about popcorn chicken, at least right now I am because I just picked up some. As for why people are focused on woke stuff, it might have something to do with today’s marketing and social media. Also my college really beats that drum, but for the moment my mind is 90 percent popcorn chicken, 8 percent woke, and 2 percent boobies.
@soklot
3 жыл бұрын
@@boxing388 We need to pump that boobies percentage up!
@boxing388
3 жыл бұрын
@@soklot it’s hard to compete with chicken, especially if it is sitting in front of you.
@ankurnaskar2469
3 жыл бұрын
God now I wish JP gets Richard Dawkins soon
@dominickschrute3084
3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to hear Jordan run some questions by him, from a Jungian perspective, on his work on memes. I'm sure Jordan would love that, it's always seemed as if he and Bret Weinsten were eager to talk to Dawkin. Bret got his shot at it.
@buzzin6895
3 жыл бұрын
Ahh. Two names you shouldn't use in one sentence. Dawkins & God 😱
@bapideepaklenka
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is a treat, two of my favorite people in the world
@chaz6399
3 жыл бұрын
Peterson's positive impact on mankind towers over that of Krauss by several orders of magnitude.
@GregorKropotkin-qu2hp
3 жыл бұрын
Krauss is a Physicist-not your analyst.
@jeffpartin9493
2 жыл бұрын
Lawrence is great, all logic comes from perspective. The more he spoke the more I am convinced of the intelligibility behind the big bang.
@HolographicSweater
3 жыл бұрын
“nature probably isn’t smart enough to use any of the models i’ve written down” lol
@cindyd2956
3 жыл бұрын
Now that’s an ego 😂
@thestudiooftamraglaser5390
3 жыл бұрын
he clearly thinks he’s God as he denies intelligent design
@ricardosanabria8211
3 жыл бұрын
If he proves those models in nature, it is because they really occur in cosmos. He thinks all universe and beyond is contained in his mind and it all will disappear when he dies. Oh that's humble.
@josesbox9555
3 жыл бұрын
He’s goofin
@HolographicSweater
3 жыл бұрын
@@cindyd2956 he’s joking around, about the infinite elegance of nature’s perfection, in comparison with the convoluted invention of man’s intelligence
@julesverne2509
2 жыл бұрын
Lawrence Krauss I think is one of the more most honest scientist that's somewhat famous in our culture currently.
@jackteare8292
3 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up straight away with Lawrence as Jordan's guest, all the best everyone 👍
@gentlemachine9656
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this judicial discussion atleast for the sake of the universe...thanks for both Krauss and peterson Not just thankful indeed grateful for this discussion
@billjohnson1094
3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating conversation, really looking forward to more.
@hgcoin
2 жыл бұрын
An answer to Krauss's question "what has theology contributed?" comes quite naturally when looking at the boundaries he explained himself as the cause of the success of the scientific method. Is there anything of value on the other side of those boundaries of the scientific method? Theologians' contribution has been to notice there exists a non-empty set of questions, central to our lives, but firmly outside the realm of what experiment can test. Formulating those questions in words and attempts to address them are 'doing theology'. An example in that set of 'big questions' is the thousand variations on the question theme "Why live?". That those doing theology have had halting success and spectacular failures that have led to horrific suffering is well known, but then those who do not abandon the scientific method noting Hiroshima ought not blame theology noting cults and related oppression. The other thing that most stuck with me is the evidence Krauss offered that but for a quantum fluctuation that was 'just so' when the whole universe was the size of an atom, there would not be atoms of any sort today. Quantum fluctuations change precisely what light comes away from a hydrogen atom, without changing the energy involved... by just a little bit. That little bit in the original atom sized universe is why there is left-over matter. I wonder whether 'the ideas that come to readied minds' have a similar source.
@bobbylee5242
2 жыл бұрын
Provide something other than ear dun .
@PrLeveilleforIBC
2 жыл бұрын
A beautiful and mutually respectful exchange that I throughly enjoyed.
@caliesukks6119
3 жыл бұрын
Great to see Mr. Peterson back. First time watching Mr. Krauss. Loved the content and interaction. Wondering why Mr. Krauss is ruling out a supernatural causation and how he draws that conclusion. While I know presently a supernatural cause can't be proved, it also can't be disproved, especially after listening to this conversation it seems plausible.
@simonnilsson5356
2 жыл бұрын
He said anything goes. To me that doesn't discount the divine intervention.
@lukehoshino2738
2 жыл бұрын
Being possible isn't really the point, what matters is whether something is probable. As for being plausible there are a whole heap of reasons as to why Krauss may be dismissive.
@TheManbush1
2 жыл бұрын
Easy to dismiss something that has no evidence nor is required.
@aqilshamil9633
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheManbush1 you mean NeoDarwinism paradigm ?? Since 2016 we already know that NeoDarwinism Natural Selection and Random Mutation can't explain the phenotypic complexity, phenotypic novelty and non gradual transition . Sure
@TheManbush1
2 жыл бұрын
@@aqilshamil9633 you better tell biologists that, even better write up a paper, get it peer reviewed then win a Nobel prize for disproving evolution.
@theradiantknight9771
3 жыл бұрын
You should interview John Lennox, it would be a good follow up to this discussion.
@flinkstiff
3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't he shot in the early eighties?
@theradiantknight9771
3 жыл бұрын
@@flinkstiff You’e thinking of John Lennon.
@paulb6785
2 жыл бұрын
Dr. Peterson I respect you and I have the best intentions in saying this: When I discuss you with my friends or coworkers, they are taking notice of your interrupting at times. And I'm beginning to notice as well. Just be careful to let your guest get their full point across before adding more to the subject. I love your eloquence but that's my one critique of your long form discussions. Please keep up the amazing discussions and lectures though! I'm a big fan.
@matrix3509
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who cut my physics education short at a Bachelor's degree, I love when incredibly smart people in other fields talk to physicists.
@1thesauceman1
2 жыл бұрын
This dude is on fire wow, he keeps getting better and better. Would love to meet you Jordan, great guy.
@petroniaskho
2 жыл бұрын
Two great minds. They could do a monthly series covering all the good topics
@missnellaful
2 жыл бұрын
Teach us how to over come these overly common "wrongs" with out adding to our own catastrophe? Please give a few examples of fails that STOP us, and roll through, how to return to our special point. Thank you.
@kevincasson9848
Жыл бұрын
Not as great as my mind though!
@PhilosophyofDataScience
3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to bigger deep dive between these two on the meaning side! There's multiple steps where I think Lawrence was inconsistent, such as religion "stopped asking questions and that is the antithesis of what I live for", clearly a statement of Why and not How, which he said he opposed earlier, and the reality that his purpose he proposes here he does treat as sacred and not subject to question. I liked that Jordan challenged him when claiming that scientists motivations are not set but always changing, confusing motivation and knowledge/practice. Seems like a brilliant guy whose thinking is constrained by the window of scientific investigation and unaware of the parts of his own mind that operate outside of that domain.
@A_M_Bobb
3 жыл бұрын
@@skumflum3768 No he isn't. He's kind of a joke in anything beyond psychology and I'm being generous.
@ShalomFreedman
2 жыл бұрын
This was a very high-level discussion. Krauss explains physical developments of the Universe in a clear and understandable way. Jordan Peterson's questions show how well he prepared and mastered the material. The one point I found most personally revealing was Krauss' relating his unsympathetic response to many who write him distressed at their own loss of religious faith because of the picture of the Universe's development and supposed end Krauss gives. Krauss states that he personally is happy to have the one short life he has and enjoy what he can in it. This is I believe a most unsympathetic and selfish answer. Other people might think of what the end of all might mean for their loved ones and not only for themselves. Jordan Peterson is of course a far more empathetic and caring human being but does not challenge Krauss on the zero-value Krauss gives to religion. Peterson is trying to understand the scientific picture and perhaps hopes to leave that for another discussion.
@gsallen9588
3 жыл бұрын
I think God loves these discussions, laughingly...
@davidbolen8982
3 жыл бұрын
Which god?
@BrightBlueJim
3 жыл бұрын
The God in me loves them, often laughingly.
@fredthomson2384
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidbolen8982 The God which is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and who whose parameter is infinite and eternal through which all time and space and it’s laws known and unknown are contained. That God.
@davidbolen8982
3 жыл бұрын
@@BrightBlueJim poetic!
@davidbolen8982
3 жыл бұрын
@@fredthomson2384 Ah! Coulda sworn people were just making it up. The OmniOmni. Got it.
@FarukFXR
3 жыл бұрын
I'm failing to comprehend how those extremely precise processes within the first millionth of a millionth of a second are proudly being called "accidents". Technically speaking, they are natural, given that the nature, as we perceive it, stemmed from those exact "accidents". The probability of all those "accidents", before, during, and after the big bang, occurring in such a sequence that we are now watching JP from across the world is ultimately low. As per the definition of an accident, accident is an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause. But how, given that the chance it self is as low as the probability? Those "accidents" seem very funneled. Seems that we either have to redefine naturality or accidentality. As for the physics itself, it is unfortunate that the physics, in the current day and age, is still not describing things as they are, but only describing the utility of things to some extent. And where the physics tries describing things as they are, the descriptions are akin to a stop motion cartoon in the style of cubism. Low fidelity distorted images with no transitions in-between, with a final picture that can be interpreted however one likes... multiple interpretations are not scientific/objective, they are artistic/subjective.
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
02. A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF “LIFE”: Everything, both perceptible and imperceptible - that is, any gross or subtle OBJECT within the material universe which can ever be perceived with the cognitive faculties, plus the SUBJECT (the observer of all phenomena) - is to what most persons generally refer when they use the term “God”, since they usually conceive of the Primeval Creator as being the Perfect Person, and “God” (capitalized) is a personal epithet of the Unconditioned Absolute. However, this anthropomorphized conception of The Absolute is a fictional character of divers mythologies. According to most every enlightened sage in the history of this planet, Ultimate Reality is, far more logically, Impersonal Absolute NOTHINGNESS (otherwise called “The Tao”, “The Great Spirit”, “Brahman”, “Pure Consciousness”, “Eternal Awareness”, “Independent Existence”, “The Ground of All Being”, “Uncaused Nature”, “The Undifferentiated Substratum of Reality”, “The Unified Field”, et cetera). In other words, rather than the Supreme Truth being a separate Blissful, Supra-Conscious Being (The Godhead Himself or The Goddess), Ultimate Reality is Eternal-Existence Limitless-Awareness Unconditional-Peace ITSELF. Because the Unmanifested Absolute is infinite creative potentiality, “it” actualizes as EVERYTHING, in the form of temporary, cyclical universes. In the case of our particular universe, we reside in a cosmos consisting of space-time, matter and energy, without, of course, neglecting the most fundamental dimension of existence (i.e. conscious awareness - although, “it” is, being the subject, by literal definition, non-existent). Just as a knife cannot cut itself, nor the mind comprehend itself, nor the eyes see themselves, The Absolute cannot know Itself (or at least objectively EXPERIENCE Itself), and so, has manifested this phenomenal universe within Itself for the purpose of experiencing Itself, particularly through the lives of self-aware beings, such as we sophisticated humans. Therefore, this world of duality is really just a play of consciousness within Consciousness, in the same way that a dream is a person's sleeping narrative set within the life-story of an 'awakened' individual. APPARENTLY, this phenomenal universe was created with the primal act (the so-called “Big Bang”), which started, supposedly, as a minute, slightly uneven ball of light, which in turn, was instigated, ultimately, by Extra-Temporal Supra-Consciousness. From that first deed, every motion or action that has ever occurred has been a direct (though, almost exclusively, an indirect) result of it. Just as all the extant energy in the universe was once contained within the inchoate singularity, Infinite Consciousness was NECESSARILY present at the beginning of the universe, and is in no way an epiphenomenon of a neural network. Discrete consciousness, on the other hand, is entirely dependent on the neurological faculty of individual animals (the more highly-evolved the species, the greater its cognitive abilities). “Sarvam khalvidam brahma” (a Sanskrit maxim from the “Chandogya Upanishad”, meaning ‘all this is indeed Brahman’ or ‘everything is the Universal Self alone’). There is NAUGHT but Eternal Being, Conscious Awareness, Causeless Peace - and you are, quintessentially, that! This “Theory of Everything” can be more succinctly expressed by the mathematical equation: E=A͚ (Everything equates to Infinite Awareness). HUMANS are essentially this Eternally-Aware-Peace, acting through an extraordinarily-complex biological organism, comprised of the eight rudimentary elements - pseudo-ego (the assumed sense of self), intellect, mind, solids, liquids, gases, heat (fire), and ether (three-dimensional space). When one peers into a mirror, one doesn’t normally mistake the reflected image to be one’s real self, yet that is how we humans conventionally view our ever-mutating forms. We are, rather, in a fundamental sense, that which witnesses all transitory appearances. Everything which can be presently perceived, both tangible and immaterial, including we human beings, is a culmination of that primary manifestation. That is the most accurate and rational explanation for “karma” - everything was preordained from the initial spark, and every action since has unfolded as it was predestined in ETERNITY, via an ever-forward-moving trajectory. The notion of retributive (“tit for tat”) karma is just that - an unverified belief. Likewise, the notion of a distinct, reincarnating “soul” or “spirit” is largely a fallacious belief. Whatever state in which we currently find ourselves, is the result of two factors - our genetic make-up at conception and our present-life conditioning (which may include mutating genetic code). Every choice ever made by every human and non-human animal was determined by those two factors ALONE. Therefore, free-will is purely illusory, despite what most believe. As a consequence of residing within this dualistic universe, we experience a lifelong series of fluctuating, transient pleasures and pains, which can take the form of physical, emotional, and/or financial pleasure or pain. Surprisingly to most, suffering and pain are NOT synonymous. Suffering is due to a false sense of personal 'doership' - the belief that one is a separate, independent author of one’s thoughts, emotions, and deeds, and that, likewise, other persons are autonomous agents, with complete volition to act, think, and feel as they wish. Another way of stating the same concept is: suffering is due to the intellect being unwilling or unable to accept life as it manifests moment by moment. There are five SYMPTOMS of suffering, all of which are psychological in nature: 1. Guilt 2. Blame 3. Pride 4. Anxiety 5. Regrets about the past and expectations for the future These types of suffering are the result of not properly understanding what was explained above - that life is a series of happenings and NOT caused by the individual living beings. No living creature, including Homo sapiens, has personal free-will. There is only the Universal, Divine Will at play, acting through every body, to which William Shakespeare famously alluded when he scribed “All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.” The human organism is essentially a biopsychological machine, comprised of the five gross material elements and the three subtle material elements, listed above. The ANTIDOTE to all mental anguish is to firstly discern pain from suffering, then to achieve complete relief from that miserable state of existence, by abandoning the erroneous belief in personal authorship, and abiding in the primordial sense of being (the unqualified “I am”, which is one's core identity). This is the very same peace which is experienced each night during the dreamless phase of the sleep cycle. This 'resting imperturbably as Flawless Awareness' can be practiced on a regular basis, until it is fully assimilated and integrated into one's life. Every person, from time immemorial, has been either intentionally or unwittingly seeking such causeless peace, most commonly by practicing one of the four systems of YOGA (religion) delineated in the sixteenth chapter of this work, or else in creating wealth and the acquisition of material possessions, or in psycho-physical pleasures. That peace of mind is often referred to as “happiness”, “joy”, or “love”, and often presumed to be a temporal state, since many assume, incorrectly, that continuous peace is unavailable in this life. Fortunately, that is not the case - it is eminently possible to live one's life acquainted with unbroken peace of mind, if destined. Following DHARMA (frameworks of authentic religion and societal duties) is not guaranteed to achieve that desired tranquillity of mind, but even so, it is beneficial for individuals, since it establishes a structure which enables one to more easily elevate oneself beyond the mundane, animalistic platform (i.e. the base pursuits of eating, sleeping and mating). Intrinsic to dharma is the division of the adult male population into the four classes of society and the inherent role of girls and women in society, as fully elucidated in latter chapters of this Holy Scripture. So, now that you understand life, and the reason why we are suffering here in this (ostensively) material universe, you are now able to become liberated from all mental suffering, RIGHT? WRONG! It is imperative to approach an authentic spiritual master to assist you to come to the above realization, by slowly undoing your past conditioning. Just as you have been conditioned over an entire lifetime to think one way, you need to be re-conditioned to think another way (in alignment with your essential identity as The Divine). For one who has himself for a teacher, that man has a veritable fool as his teacher. Even if you adhere closely to the precepts of a competent teacher, you may still not come to a full understanding of life, but if you are sincere, humble and dedicated, you will definitely find more peace in your daily life - all of which was DESTINED to occur, of course. Furthermore, if you are suitably-qualified and it was ordained, you may be fortunate enough to receive discipline from one of the EXTREMELY rare fully-enlightened masters residing on earth at any given time (perchance even the current World Teacher himself), and subsequently realize the aforementioned fundamental concepts, by diligently studying authoritative doctrines (especially the most accurate and complete of all extant Scriptures, this “Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”), serving your guru with great reverence and devotion, and by deliberately avoiding undue harm to oneself, to other individuals, to society as a whole, and to the natural environment. ☮️
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
@@mavrosyvannah, YOU wrote a book? 📖
@cripplingautism5785
3 жыл бұрын
You're basically making the fine tuning argument. The response is generally that if you have enough trials it's bound to happen just right at some point and we just don't see all the times when it didn't happen so perfectly
@jojojorisjhjosef
3 жыл бұрын
You're more than welcome to think up of a high fidelity non cubism theory of everything. But if u meant like for example how Heisenberg's uncertainty principle gives us a limited information in a measurement, well then you're wrong. That isn't our models being low fidelity, that is the universe being low fidelity.
@He.knows.nothing
3 жыл бұрын
@@cripplingautism5785 exactly. "If" multiverse theory is true, then there is a potentially infinite number of universes that spawn for our spacetime continuum's properties to have been spawned at "random." In such a case, by no means is the probability low, it becomes infinitely inevitable.
@egdccorp
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Love it!. Thank J. Peterson.
@brian420pm
2 жыл бұрын
Like we're walking around a dark cave with a flashlight, love this talk!
@tycer9754
3 жыл бұрын
“In the beginning the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”
@kathyleicester7306
3 жыл бұрын
See? We've got the beginning of the universe settled already. That's what makes this specially interesting and fun.
@hamsarris8341
3 жыл бұрын
@@nautilus1872 name em
@jeffreyagu2221
3 жыл бұрын
You mean Jesus's dad was hovering over the face of the earth? Give me a name of another religion (Beside Abrahamic religion) that knows about this information.
@robertspies4695
3 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful analogy.
@bruceami
3 жыл бұрын
@@nautilus1872 So you’ve never read symbolic language before? Gen 1 is in fact a poem for one thing, and not a how I did it narrative, but a who and why I did it narrative using six creative periods to communicate primarily the who.
@shreyasp3287
3 жыл бұрын
What I like about jp is his ability to talk with anybody
@tomek4203
3 жыл бұрын
Didn't see this one coming
@joecesarano4301
2 жыл бұрын
ELP's, (Emerson, Lake and Palmer) "A Fortunate Accident"! Could've been the Greatest Song🎶 ever Written, so far... Much appreciation for Drs. John, Jordan and Krause. Scheduling Brain Salad Surgery, is back on the table.
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