I really dropped the ball not becoming a lawyer. Apparently any idiot can do this.
@Yuh_mama
9 ай бұрын
Any idiot can talk about trumps cases. Being a lawyer doesn’t magically mean your opinions on it are correct.
@kyledodson2992
9 ай бұрын
Law school isn’t difficult according to the lawyers at our company (we have 4 in our offices) It’s mostly writing, study case law, learn courtroom procedures and study more law. It’s just long winded. Let’s not forget Kim K passed the bar, soooo
@puredank6317
9 ай бұрын
Pretty sure the big hurdle to being a lawyer is your ability to memorize information. Being able to memorize information doesn't make you smart.
@masamune28954
9 ай бұрын
You would of washed out, let's keep it real.
@alexd4566
9 ай бұрын
@@kyledodson2992Correction: Kim K passed the baby bar on her 4th try, which is basically a first year law student’s examination consisting of only Contract Law, Criminal Law and Tort Law. She’s not even close to passing the actual bar exam.
@Big-Papa-Smurf
9 ай бұрын
If this is your lawyer, you're getting the death penalty on a speeding ticket.
@jeffgojail
9 ай бұрын
For real.
@evolution__snow6784
9 ай бұрын
Look at my lawyer dawg
@sniperboom1202
9 ай бұрын
@@evolution__snow6784 your lawyer dog or your lawyer, dawg?
@jazzwhitney3333
9 ай бұрын
I highly suggest you read the constitution
@ralph2689
9 ай бұрын
@@jazzwhitney3333sure, which part?
@jdjenk04
9 ай бұрын
Destiny doing a law school arc and then passing the bar would be hilarious
@domiro5295
9 ай бұрын
Possible with Vyvanse, but after he would hate the law for all the useless stuff he had to learn
@Spookykidshow
9 ай бұрын
its amazing how ignorant destiny is on any topic like ukraine he has failed to mention its an ongoing civil war not even once and he didnt know about isreal v palastine even though its been going on for 80 years lol
@biz6361
9 ай бұрын
@@Spookykidshowthis is a brain dead take. nobody on earth is knowledgeable about every single conflict in the history of mankind. when faced with new information and/or conflicts, people research the history of said event to come to an educated conclusion about what to feel about said event. your take is basically “destiny is dumb because he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and he’s ignorant for trying to research things he hasn’t yet learned, what a nerd” lmao.
@trololkhil9868
9 ай бұрын
@@Spookykidshow because there isnt a civil war in ukraine. how on earth did you arrive at that conclusion lol?
@jdjenk04
9 ай бұрын
@@Spookykidshow You typed a whole paragraph and said nothing of substance. Impressive
@omgitsrawz933
9 ай бұрын
This guy's idea of declassifying is the same as Michael Scott's idea of bankruptcy.
@GoIggles92
9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@GraveyardMurmurs
9 ай бұрын
At least Michael said what he was doing.
@aSSGoblin1488
2 ай бұрын
destiny is pulling teeth dentisty and lawyer too
@olknoxlo
9 ай бұрын
You have a right to an attorney *This is the attorney you have a right to*
@gonfreecss6002
9 ай бұрын
oof
@FoggyLungz613
9 ай бұрын
Amazin
@pennclick
9 ай бұрын
You'd have a better time talking to the cops at that point
@komlat253
9 ай бұрын
Oh God now lol😂
@lastnamefirstname8843
9 ай бұрын
You’d rather your attorney join the prosecution team?
@Violaphobia
9 ай бұрын
“He didn’t know he could declassify these documents, but also maybe he did” … this man practicing law should be a crime.
@swickens930
9 ай бұрын
It doesn't really matter if you knew you could or not. The president has de facto declassifying powers. The "official process" is only relevant to executive employees, not the president.
@Bori.1776
9 ай бұрын
@@swickens930Sayyyyys who🤣
@Violaphobia
9 ай бұрын
@@swickens930 to reiterate almost the crux of this debate, this is not only not how it works, this cannot be how it works. How does the intelligence community even operate if the President can declassify information without informing anybody and through taking no actions?
@swickens930
9 ай бұрын
@@Violaphobia Because the Intelligence Agency doesn't "operate" at the behest of itself or its own operations. Declassification HAS to work this way because it has to reflect back to the people. The president is a link to the people. We essentially elect a new guy every 4 years so they can go sift through everything the government has been doing and enforce laws based on such. If you have a system where the elected official has to "answer to an unelected body," then you don't have a legitimate Elected Executive Person. Nor do you have a legitimate Elected body. The intelligence agencies operate UNDER the president and have to change their procedure based on what he does, not the other way around. If the president wants to go on TV one morning and release classified documents, he can absolutely do that. The FBI, essentially just has to deal with that. There are many reasons why this exists, the first reason, is so we can avoid an unelected body having full control over information. 4 years isn't a long time, if we have a new guy come in every 4 years, they MUST be able to access every document. And this access should be de facto, and not based on nonsensical paperwork or some extra process. Furthermore, this IS how it works and a surplus of presidents have just released documents on their own accord.
@stephenwishburne1034
9 ай бұрын
@@swickens930 FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY someone with some brains and knowledge of the history of declassification. I find it hilarious that previous presidents took 100x more documents and it was never an issue. Half of this video is Destiny trying to hold a POTUS to the same standard as an entry level FBI agent. Just insane.
@IZhe4REAL
9 ай бұрын
The Preview mixed with the lawyers intro about both of them being good faith made me chuckle
@AlbinoWhiteGuy
9 ай бұрын
I thought he was good faith, just because you don’t agree with him doesn’t mean he’s not being genuine.
@richardhands904
9 ай бұрын
Good faith and delusional @@AlbinoWhiteGuy
@richardhands904
9 ай бұрын
Although him pivoting on many questions, makes me think he isn't so good faith. @@AlbinoWhiteGuy
@peewee0224
9 ай бұрын
@@AlbinoWhiteGuybro he literally refused to engage with any questions and kept dodging just because you agree with him doesn’t mean he was arguing in good faith.
@heinshaaine8153
9 ай бұрын
@@AlbinoWhiteGuy What about his question dodging makes you think that he was good faith? He figuratively pretended that he doesnt understand the difference between lending a book from a library and "lending" it without the intent of ever returning aka stealing it. He never conceded that he lied by saying that presidents steal classified Dokuments all the time.
@CyanPhoenix_
9 ай бұрын
Steven is just wrong in this debate. 43:00 "nobody could genuinely believe something that silly" sorry, but yes, people can absolutely believe something that silly. lol.
@Ed-en8br
9 ай бұрын
big UHM ACSHULLY energy on this comment
@shawncolacchio4999
9 ай бұрын
@@Sprite_525 that's the fukin joke
@killzone866
9 ай бұрын
the funniest way to be wrong lol./
@johnd1047
8 ай бұрын
Key word, “genuinely” I don’t think they genuinely believe it, they like to talk a big game, but they don’t have any rationale to support these beliefs. They don’t even act as if this craziness is true, but will god in the gaps you to death.
@kilixior
9 ай бұрын
So by this guys logic: if the president accidentaly takes a classified documenz into an unclassified area, he automatically declassifies it, making it legal for anyone to take.
@LizStaples
9 ай бұрын
28:46 dude thinks Trump could hand Putin classified US documents and it wouldn’t be a crime cause Trump magically declassified them by taking them to Mara Lago to start with. Totally ignores that would just be straight treason.
@mutedmutiny9542
9 ай бұрын
By his logic almost nothing would ever be classified and tons of things would suddenly be “accidentally” declassified. It’s honestly hilarious how this would play out once you expand it outside of just Trump.
@KrustyDischarge
9 ай бұрын
Correct. That is the law. There is no process for the President to declassify documents. Any requirements placed on the President with respect to declassification would be unconstitutional as they would undermine the President's authority under the Constitution.
@mutedmutiny9542
9 ай бұрын
@@KrustyDischarge cite it
@TheNetwork
8 ай бұрын
Correct. The power to classify/reclassify documents is derived from the president himself. There is no process except "because I say so" as to what is or is not classified. And there is precedent of this. Google Clinton sock drawer classified documents.
@ediewyse
9 ай бұрын
When he says “maybe he doesn’t know they’re declassified” I lost my mind…he started arguing for psychic powers.
@KrustyDischarge
9 ай бұрын
Trump is not a great legal mind. He likely incorrectly thought that he had committed a crime. It is possible to intend to commit a crime even if you only engage in legal behavior.
@michaeldromes3948
9 ай бұрын
Lmao this should've been on the main channel, so many bangers. "Trump could just declassify them by thinking it" "maybe he didn't know he declassified them", this cope is something else jesus
@Sunday_Swagger
8 ай бұрын
Biden had classified documents in his garage…so who cares? That’s why the story died. Democrats can’t use it as a political weapon.
@Jobe-13
9 ай бұрын
“Why didn’t Trump just say, ‘Hey guys these were all declassified I was the president it’s chill’ ?” “Because if you talk to the cops about anything you’re an idiot!” That is the dumbest and most cope reason I’ve heard from a lawyer of all people.
@acaydia2982
9 ай бұрын
SCOTUS already ruled on this. None of this applies to the POTUS. The very act of him taking the documents, declassifies them. After Clinton left office Judicial Watch tried to sue for tapes back. SCPTUS ruled there is no process for POTUS. It only applies to everyone else. Trump’s Estate is under Secret Service Protection.
@jkevo16
9 ай бұрын
What about the sentence anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
@limitedhangoutlive
9 ай бұрын
Worse than thinking the president can classify any document he wants? lol
@iainmcdonalds4018
9 ай бұрын
Ok, I'm sort of with you with regarding that particular argument in *this* case. But I've heard from numerous lawyers where their default is 'don't talk to the police.' Usually they follow up with, talk to a lawyer, who can then talk to the police for you after they understand how best to make sure *you* don't get in trouble (even if you want to help) as they understand what would be a bad idea to tell police. Again, not really a good argument here. It's kind of a shame, I've liked a number of Good Lawgic's stuff, I think he might be idealogically captured in this conversation, but I don't know enough about it to judge properly.
@limitedhangoutlive
9 ай бұрын
@@iainmcdonalds4018 Correct. If a lawyer tells you to talk to police especially without their presence or guidance; find another lawyer. That’s clearly what he was insinuating. You’re not going to find any decent introspection on this debate or Destiny here. Research the situation yourself and formulate your own opinions. While I love Destiny, his fans are sycophants and have an inability to see past his rhetorical effectiveness.
@Basegitar
9 ай бұрын
The whole idea that the President can psychically declassify anything, at any time, without telling a soul or going through any kind of process is insane. This necessarily means we can never be sure if any classified document is actually classified without asking the President, constantly.
@dhlehrenlos
9 ай бұрын
does it even matter arguing about it when we have Trump stating that he could have declassified the documents but didn’t do it??
@rmkilc
9 ай бұрын
Read the Constitution. The documents are classified FOR the president. He has the authority to declassify.
@dininelbourne
9 ай бұрын
@rmkilc , sure, but there's a process that must be followed.
@Basegitar
9 ай бұрын
@@rmkilc yes, but if the President could potentially declassify anything in the US Gov by intentionally (or unintentionally) thinking it, then every single classified thing in the US government might actually be declassified. Let's say the President has a dream, in this dream they think to declassify everything. Does that count, why or why not? The only possible way to know is to ask the President if they declassified any particular thing. What if they lie about the answer, such as saying they didn't think to declassify it, when they actually had the thought of declassifying it, how do we know if it's classified or not? Let's say the President thinks "I declassify Doc X" and somehow Doc X comes into my possession. The government learns I have it and asks me for the document, and I tell them "I do not believe it is classified and will not return it". I say this with zero knowledge or reason to believe that the President has mentally declassified it. The President has never communicated to anyone that Doc X is declassified and it retains all the classified markings. Does the FBI need to go to the President and ask them if they mentally declassified Doc X? What if they say they cannot remember if they did or did not. I am in possession of an unclassified, public document, with the exact same trappings of a classified document. Have I broken the law? How would the government prove if I have?
@rmkilc
9 ай бұрын
@@dininelbourne Yes, for everyone but the president. If the president is meeting with someone and hands them a classified document, it becomes declassified. He don't have to go through some formal process first.
@ObservingtheMatrix
9 ай бұрын
Easiest way to describe when the document case turns criminal is let’s say a kid kills someone and hides the gun in a chest in his room. Of course his parents aren’t responsible for it being there - as long as they don’t know it’s there and then willfully conceal it from the cops. Same with the documents - any president can end up with classified documents mixed in either their own when they get out of office. It’s when they discover them and decide to keep or conceal them that it becomes a crime. Very simple logic to me.
@aaronlawrence6350
9 ай бұрын
Lawyer here. Reminder that the Bar Exam is only a test of minimum competence, and this guy proves it.
@digadigado
9 ай бұрын
I like joe generally, but I do think Trump might be a blind spot for him, haven't watched this vid yet so he might disappoint me.
@TommygunTorres
9 ай бұрын
How many rapist have you got off the hook? Liberal lawyers are notorious.
@shaun5047
9 ай бұрын
@@digadigadohe reminds me of an intelligent person coping for a loved one. Deep down I can tell there’s a logical person but he’s just choosing to bend common sense to fit any scenario where his person is in the right. lol He said some wild comments.
@acaydia2982
9 ай бұрын
SCOTUS already ruled on this after Clinton. There is no process for the POTUS to, alone. Judicial Watch tried to sue for some tapes. SCOTUS ruled that the very act of him taking them, makes them declassified. Google is free
@limitedhangoutlive
9 ай бұрын
@@digadigado He didn't do that bad. People here just have a blindspot for Destiny's TDS and when someone is even remotely as charitable as Destiny is condemning, they create posts about how the person is so stupid. Meanwhile, they don't utter a word about how pathetic Pisco is. If you want to watch Destiny lose to someone on the right, just watch the live debate he had against AJW. And no, I am not a "dur dur conservative". I am a big Destiny fan. I just think his brain melts when it comes to the right and people can't see beyond rhetorical effectiveness. It's the same reason people defended him to no end on his positions 5 years ago that even he now admits were cringe.
@Ottobean
9 ай бұрын
Classified documents should be stored in the balls
@deegobooster
9 ай бұрын
They were stored in his raging insurrection
@EF-fc4du
9 ай бұрын
It's very simple: what the "normal process" of decalassifying is and what the Constitution allows the President to do are not the same thing.
@rharcus
9 ай бұрын
There is no process for declassification, there is a habit or ritual, but there is no legal process. Done.
@lampad4549
9 ай бұрын
To all the conservatives that are going to comment, if you want your points to be taken seriously, do the following 1.stop making vague appeals to bad faith, if you have an issue with destiny's argumentation or his behavior in this convo actually point it out for all us specifically. 2. Stop dismiss the evidence that is provided cause "destiny is using indictments as evidence", the indictments are where all the evidence against trump are collected if you think the evidence is bad or is fake , then point them out and provide proof that they are. 3. Stop saying the procedure to declassify information or documents makes no sense cause of executive power, even though the president has executive power he still has protocol and procedures to follow legally, what you are thinking of is a dictator not a president, unless you have proof of something contrary to that then let us know and explain it with proof dont just say clintons did something similar. 4. Stop complaing destiny aggressive tone or him being insulting its unfortunate that your feelings were hurt but thats just how destiny is, he has been this way worse with left leaning people and he will be this way with right when people use stupid arguments this isnt a safe space for conservatives, if that is a problem then you are better off unsubscribing. 5. Actually provide sources and citations for the claims you make i know this is tedious but we are commenting on a youtube video of a debate streamer none of us have lives so its okay.
@richardhands904
9 ай бұрын
5 = W comment, although i;m to lazy to do that myself.
@kungfreddie
9 ай бұрын
5: as a former lawstudent... are u insane? Do you know why lawclerks (or what the US word is.. lawyer in training so to say) spend 80-120 hr/wk working? Bcoz that's the time it takes to go through all law, decisions, doctrin, etc And u think u can give citation in a discussion u don't even know what the EXACT question is.
@EasternStandardTim
9 ай бұрын
@@kungfreddie these people are coming in to argue specific points, destiny responds to THEIR claims, so ya, they can spend a little time sourcing ANYTHING, even one source would be nice
@bartoszkrawczyk5921
9 ай бұрын
@@kungfreddieOh no no, frick off. If you want to cite a specific document as a part of your argument, you better have that document ready or at least know where to find it in timely fashion.
@TheCromesd
9 ай бұрын
Unhinged low IQ take. Imagine thinking its our responsibility to disprove allegations made in an indictment. Destiny looked insane in this fkin debate. When he starts yelling shit like "tell me exactly what person allows classification" just shows how little he knows about anything related to classification
@andrematheustavaresdonasci5902
9 ай бұрын
I'm just imagining a president going back to classify a document he declassified in his bedroom without anyone knowing
@Prometheus4096
9 ай бұрын
1) Declassification is a process. Not a thought in someone's mind. A president would need to order something to be declassified. And then clerks need to do the actual declassification. Often it means rewriting a document, stripping it of raw data or sources, and releasing that new document as declassified. For the documents at Mar-a- Lago, no president ordered for that. 2) To order documents to be declassified, you need to be president. Trump was not president. 3) Trump admitted to both of these while he was showing others these classified documents. He said they were not declassified. And he said he couldn't declassify them now even if he wanted, because he was no longer president.
@kungfreddie
9 ай бұрын
1. Wrong, 2. Yes, 3. Show me the evidence... not 3rd hand info.
@bartoszkrawczyk5921
9 ай бұрын
@@kungfreddie 3. There literally is audio of Trump from 2021 saying the documents he is showing to his staffers are confidential, and he could've declassified them as President but cannot now. The fact he says 'i cannot declassify them now' mean he didn't declassify them then. It is the easiest thing in the world to find, just google 'Trump classified documents audio CNN' (CNN because audio was first aired there, will narrow it down)
@kami_1789
9 ай бұрын
@@kungfreddielol "show me the evidence" when all you did was say he was wrong, without elaborating any further. Why don't you try refuting him by finding *your* evidence.
@DrSilentShadows
9 ай бұрын
@@kungfreddie There are literal recordings of trump saying this...
@tarfielarchelone2674
9 ай бұрын
@@kungfreddietrump said it get bodied
@Shoeography517
9 ай бұрын
I was struggling with this one but as soon as Destiny said he believed the president could classify anything he wants is when I just couldn’t listen anymore. Destiny acting just like Alex jones in this one, screaming at this guy and demanding things. Huge L on his part
@SirVer51
4 ай бұрын
That's not what he was saying - he was asking why pointing to something and saying "classified" was not sufficient to render something classified when apparently pointing at something and saying "declassified" _is_ sufficient
@ladyvanda
9 ай бұрын
This guy just came up with Schrodinger’s classification
@ljsquared3210
9 ай бұрын
I think a more accurate way to phrase what he was claiming is that the president can unilaterally give security clearance, that doesn't, however, mean that they can unilaterally declassify things. (edit: I should have been more clear, by unilaterally I meant that he couldn't do it without going through a process of declassification not that he couldn't declassify things without the permission of Congress. My comment was more directed at his claim that the president could just hand someone a classified document and that meant it was now declassified, which isn't the case it more likely means that the president gave that person the clearance to see said classified document.)
@noone-vi5co
9 ай бұрын
Wtf are you on about trump is OBVIOUSLY psychic...😅
@VTAcraft
9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure they can unilaterally declassify things, actually. I think that's the entire point.
@jeffgojail
9 ай бұрын
@VTAcraft They can't. Nuclear secrets, for example, cannot be Declassified by the president. Even if he could declassify the documents, they're still not his documents. They belong to the Office of the President, not the President himself. As for the classification, yes, presidents can declassify things, but they have to do it through several different government agencies and go through a process.
@ClyDIley
9 ай бұрын
Wrong. The argument is that the president has full authority to do the latter, as vested by Article II of the constitution, clause 1 (?) I think, dont quote me on that, its somewhere in Article II. The idea is that Article II makes the president the unilateral head of the executive branch, it explicitly and broadly outlines his authorities, and still leaves even more room for leeway in favor of the president, due to the president being the elected representative of the people. How and when congressional and judicial authority supercedes presidential authority over anything to do with the executive branch is explicitly stated in the constitution. The handling of documentation is not one of them. Thus, any bureaucratic procedure(s) put in place by any executive branch agency/entity that opposes or comes into conflict with the will of the president is unconstitutional, as are any laws passed by congress curbing the presidents authority over the executive branch short of 2/3 of congress and the states first ratifying an amendment to the constitution curbing the president's authority in this domain. This would include the Presidential Records act if ever challenged in court by a president, which is what we're going tonsee go down this year. If the president saw fit to have something done with presidential records that was in opposition to the will of the Presidential records act, once again, absent a constitutional amendment removing the president's authority over aspects of the executive branch not already explicitly outlined in the constitution, it is the presidential records act that is in violation of the constitution, not the president in violation of a law passed by congress that supercedes congresses authority over the executive branch. The president cannot be the unilateral head of the executive branch if he is beholden to the executive branch. People can reeee all they want, but that doesn't change the fact that short of congress impeaching the president or amending the constitution, they have no authority over the presidents actions in regards to documentation, or they dont against any president that chooses to be defiant, which none have thus far before Trump. The president could walk in one day, and for whatever reason fire every last memeber of the executive branch if they so choose, and congress couldnt do jack shit about it short of impeachment procedures. Of course that excludes any positions protected by a ratified constitutional amendment superseding the Presidents authority outlined in Article II.
@richh9570
9 ай бұрын
@jeffgojail, actually, you're partially incorrect. The President can make documents PERSONAL records and take them with him. The nice thing about the separation of powers is that congress and the court can't tell Trump what records he declares as personal records.
@IAmTheBugInsideYou
9 ай бұрын
Trumpet starter kit: "Look what you've made me do." "Trump was forced into acting like this." "A good person doesn't make a great president." "I have to vote for him because the left is so mean." We've been hearing these worn out tattered pathetic excuses for 4+ years & they're still using them, absolutely amazing Put this guy & Lauren Northern lawyer in the same room & just let them go at it, no one else should have to talk to these people. I feel like I'm playing Pokemon & Declassifying Documents is a psychic type move, & these people just think plainly, flat out, that Trump just uses the move against a wall. And then across space & time like its a disturbance in the force, everyone else in the world is just told "oh Trump declassified some documents, sweet." There's a fucking process boyo holy shit lmao
@mizel101
9 ай бұрын
You forgot the classic "But Hillary..."
@IAmTheBugInsideYou
9 ай бұрын
@@mizel101 I didn't think it would end up boiling down to butterymales again 😭 I would give anything in life, to just throw Trump, Obama, Biden, & Hillary into prison together so we can stop fucking talking about these people & move on into a different time period. The Republicans did several committees & investigated Hillary, nothing much came of it, Trump didn't lock her up for supposed crimes while in office, conservatives who might read this: Move. The. Fuck. On. From. Hillary. I want her to be irrelevant & disappear from the annals of time, stop resurrecting her
@taylortaylor6845
9 ай бұрын
I just want cheap food gas taxes homes cars and the possibility of not starting a war for 4 years that’s why I’m voting trump plus a little border security and just keeping gun rights safe
@seanjenkins5505
9 ай бұрын
@@taylortaylor6845trump literally passed gun control legislation he put the bump stock ban. The President has no control over the price of gas and groceries. Do you think Biden can EO groceries and gas be cheaper? I can't convince you not to be stupid you're already a trump voter, just know he doesn't and didn't do any of things you want. I wish I knew how to get to the reality you live in.
@tarfielarchelone2674
9 ай бұрын
@@taylortaylor6845take the guns first due process second.
@alleycat27
7 ай бұрын
Did this Lawyer actually study the cases he is speaking on? Sitting presidents do have “unilateral and complete authority" to declassify material, though it doesn't fully extend to information classified under the Atomic Energy Act.
@DontCallMeAaron
9 ай бұрын
I’m sick and this dude literally made me get up to look at my phone to see who the hell is talking like this.
@acaydia2982
9 ай бұрын
SCOTUS already ruled on this after Clinton. There is no process for POTUS to. The DOJ knows this. They are playing with your minds like they’ve been doing since Russia, Russia, Russia.
@ImEnemy608
9 ай бұрын
Holy cow! Look at you go!
@goddessrick8734
6 ай бұрын
Really goes to show how strong the Trump cope is when an actual lawyer is this far gone.
@deadteddybears_7302
9 ай бұрын
I was hoping he was going to answer ”Lav” when asked what he thought destiny got wrong. 🤣🤣🤣
@evi1ways
9 ай бұрын
Tell me you just learned the term "prima facie" without telling me you just learn the term "prima facie"
@johnd1047
8 ай бұрын
Tell me you’ve never listened to a law discussion without telling me you’ve never listened to a law discussion.
@MylesMoore
9 ай бұрын
This guy must've had a dance with a xanax addiction some time after he passed the Bar. Discerning intent is probably one of the most foundational goals of the court system. The thought that the president can wiggle his fingers and declare documents declassified instantly with no due process is insane.
@LizStaples
9 ай бұрын
These types don’t even think their own logic to the obvious out come. If the president could just hand out classified documents in the park and that qualified as declassification, the security structure of the US would be by their very purpose be forced to simply never share anything they weren’t prepared to have declassified on the fly with the president. Which would thus kneecap the president’s ability to govern. Declassification is a process, packing up boxes of shit and hauling it off doesn’t magically declassify it. They also seem to confuse that Trump got the same leeway of everyone else he was asked to return the documents, instead of working with the Archives he lied, shuffled the documents around, tried to keep them from. “They had to create a whole new library for Obama” -dude doesn’t know every president has a presidential library 🤦🏻♀️
@lindarichards3195
9 ай бұрын
So, Trump can just blink to declassify documents? Well, dress him up and call him "I Dream of Genie." 😂😂😂😂😂
@gregorygriffin9582
9 ай бұрын
Didn’t Trump explicitly say that he did NOT declassify these documents? Whether or not he has the power is moot. He said he didn’t do it.
@LoudWaffle
9 ай бұрын
Unironically I think the pro-Trump position is that although they weren't declassified when he showed them to people, he actually declassified them LATER (not through an official process, but with his mind), so it retroactively becomes okay. I think I remember someone saying that in a Destiny convo a while ago.
@AKABattousai
9 ай бұрын
I believe trump said he could show people if he declassified them as the president, but he isn't the president now... But the argument Joe is making is that the legal theory around the president whoever it is... Is that they don't violate the national archives collection process... Because as the president leaves office they take whatever documents and materials they consider personal materials with them. And the national archives have whatever they consider public records to keep. But the judge who ruled in the Clinton case did not make a ruling on anyone else having higher authority saying what records the president can't have. Because the president collects their things at his sole discretion by virtue of the position as head of the branch. And the classification status comes only from that position and flows down through other figures. But the president has sole authority over how they want to handle any records or documents. They can be charged with treason still if the records and information are given to the wrong people. But even in the case itself against Trump, no one is charging him with mishandling classified material. I believe it's a treason charge. And obstruction.
@ash12181987
9 ай бұрын
God, at 1 minute in... I knew this was going to go places. Hell, specifically.
@danposner
9 ай бұрын
Wow anyone can be a lawyer! Very inspiring!
@cmp6
9 ай бұрын
The funniest part is the classification of the documents doesn't matter in the indictments. Edit... eventually someone mentioned it.
@missgrreen9398
9 ай бұрын
I am really enjoying the frequent usage of “prima facie” lately. It feels like I’m listening to myself actively using a new phrase or word that I either hadn’t known the meaning of, or hadn’t the opportunity and confidence to use before. I hope someone knows what I mean
@heinshaaine8153
9 ай бұрын
I would never use words unilaterally this way...
@alexd4566
9 ай бұрын
I actually work in law (albeit in Belgium) and we use “at first sight” way more often now than prima facie because there is a push to make legal docs more accessible to laymen. Lots of Latin terms can easily be replaced by standard English terms or phrases. It’s funny how Destiny - like most first year law students do - tries to incorporate this outdated legal jargon into his vocabulary.
@drawnsequence
9 ай бұрын
"It was classified on Tuesday but then I had taco bell and a clerk at my golf resort didn't restock the toilet paper (I'm firing her tomorrow) so I grabbed the nearest document, might have been classified, might not, might not have even been official, I think it was a newspaper, newspaper sometimes feels like that but I just made sure to mentally declassify whatever it might be before using it to clean up after uh, and this toilet, this washroom in the Trump bathroom is immaculate by the way. Immaculate. Much better than the golf resort, far better. Made by an Italian toileteer I think they're called, are they called that? Either way, Italian designers are great, not as great as Americans but so many Italians came to America during the world wars. They're so great aren't they? Italians are tough guys, really tough guys, I keep sayin that, tough strong guys. They're not afraid to do the tough stuff that makes a country great" This guy: This is a very valid defense judge, truly an open and shut case your Honor
@LizStaples
9 ай бұрын
Trump running thru lawyers as his money dries up and his cases become more dire this guy could be his defense any day now.
@Matt-sk6hi
9 ай бұрын
This guy being a lawyer is how I know it doesn't take a lick of intelligence to be a lawyer.
@zanefoster1437
9 ай бұрын
Intelligence doesn’t predict political association these things are very much familial and social destiny has said as much too
@zanefoster1437
9 ай бұрын
Im not a lawyer…..yet ;)
@ErgonomicChair
9 ай бұрын
I mean... no shit, Pisco is a lawyer.
@Matt-sk6hi
9 ай бұрын
@zanefoster1437 Wasn't talking about political alignment, more like the ridiculous attachment to psychic declassification of documents. Interesting that my comment on someone's intelligence was misconstrued for a comment on political alignment.
@Matt-sk6hi
9 ай бұрын
@zanefoster1437 Giving me some small hope in lawyers If you aren't one.
@supercala332
9 ай бұрын
@16:00 No. The President would still have to, at a minimum, write up an executive order first, before any Classified/Secret material would be considered 'Declassified'. The President, current or otherwise, does not have the authority to verbally claim that a given piece of material is officially 'Declassified.' Also, if the document/material in question is in anyway related to Atomic Energy, there's a formal process that is required by law that must be followed before that Classified/Secret material can be considered 'declassified', per the Atomic Energy Act. And no other president before Donald Trump has ever actually *NOT* underwent the standard formal process to have related Classified/Secret material removed from that list, as no President before Donald Trump was actually incompetent enough to intentionally ignore the formal process, as that could be considered an act of treason.
@StinkCabbage
9 ай бұрын
Thank you. That encapsulates the proper approach to this question. You nailed that right on the head.
@nickwiener8729
9 ай бұрын
This was so frustrating. Destiny did not understand anything the lawyer was saying. Destiny kept saying “answer the question” and he is. The lawyers saying don’t talk to police, he’s not saying don’t do what they tell you to do. Talking isn’t going to help you not lose your license. Everyone has the right to say no to a breathalyzer. It won’t help you to do it. It can only hurt you. In California you have the right to refuse a breathalyzer without punishment. And the police let you know it too. They will give you a blood test at the police station, that you can’t refuse. But you never have to speak to them.
@Truth_Seeker_TV
9 ай бұрын
Happy new year Destiny. I can't wait for what you you teach me this year. 😊😊😊😊
@marron5272
9 ай бұрын
I have to talk to just one of this man’s clients, I’m so intrigued. Where did get his degree? What state did he take the bar in? So may interesting and fun questions! I hope he returns so we can learn more about this amazing fellow.
@brewbush
9 ай бұрын
I used to think lawyers were good at following a set of logical steps to arrive at an educated opinion. However this lawyer and Pisco have destroyed that image
@oephry3253
9 ай бұрын
You can dislike how Pisco argues but comparing to this joke of man is insulting imo. Pisco is infinitely more reasonable
@jonbush2127
9 ай бұрын
It’s the same circular logic and not answering simple questions. Altering the vocabulary slightly to try answering a different question. Yes Pisco is heads and shoulders better but same bang your head against the desk frustration.
@Real_extra_1
9 ай бұрын
Defining declassifying the way Good Lawgic does means it is litteraly impossible for any president to ever mishandle a classified document. If a president ever mishandles a classified document, you must, by his reasoning, assume that the presidents actions, whether willful to this purpose or not, automatically declassify those documents. And, that declassification is semi permentant untill a process is taken to reclassify. So any sitting president can give classified information to an enemy state and not be legally liable for it. Because the act if him mishandling and giving the documents to the enemy state automatically declassified them. This idea is so overly broad that it turns the president completely immune to any amount of responsibility while in office, which i would not allow for anyone, much less the president of the united states.
@richh9570
9 ай бұрын
Incorrect. That's why there's a thing called IMPEACHMENT. Luckily, Trump was AQUITTED.
@TimPortantno
9 ай бұрын
When we share intelligence with other countries, it's under the authority of the president, yes, that's how the 3 branches of government work.
@futball51
8 ай бұрын
My fiancé is an attorney in the state we live in and “I will go to the station to perform a blood draw but I will not do a breath test” did not work for her client and has been ruled in the courts here to still constitute refusal for the purpose of losing your license. I’m shocked by the flippant behavior of this attorney
@marifrit2490
9 ай бұрын
Destiny there simply is no answer on what it takes for a president to declassify documents. The closet we have is a court case from 2019 saying that a press release by the president declassified documents which you can see at this citation: (James Madison Project v United States DOJ, 2019 US Dist LEXIS 126575, at *5 [DDC July 30, 2019, No. 17-cv-00597 (APM)]). Another case held that the president's tweets were not clear enough to declassify (implying that a clear tweet could declassify): (NY Times Co. v CIA, 314 F Supp 3d 519, 527 [SDNY 2018]). It was stated in the same case that presidential declassification requires an "unequivocal declaration" by the president. But the case also said that courts do not even have the right to infer whether the president declassified documents absent "unequivocal declaration" by the president. The only other case talking about presidential declassification is: Dep't of Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518, 527, 108 S. Ct. 818, 98 L. Ed. 2d 918 (1988) which is a very broad case but not obviously applicable.
@AspiringDevil
9 ай бұрын
True but the telepathic method GL is claiming doesn't hold up to scrutiny & I doubt the court will make it the new standard
@heinshaaine8153
9 ай бұрын
But then trump is massive degenerate an d should be charged for not saying that these documents were declassified by him when they were asked back. If he had actually declassified then his traitorous attempts to hide them makes no sense and thus are a reason enough to convict him.
@Iamawesomenorly
9 ай бұрын
don't we have a recording of trump saying he could have, but *didn't,* declassify a document held at mar-a-lago? that should dispel any notion that he psychically declassified them if you are in any way, shape, or form, good faith.
@indigopajamas
9 ай бұрын
@@AspiringDevilthis is probably true. The court also said in NYT v CIA that there must be some procedure followed to ensure the correct parties are informed about what is being declassified.
@marifrit2490
9 ай бұрын
Perhaps but Destiny is clearly under the believe that declassification requires a full agency review and decision before a declassification is in effect when that is likely not the case. The few cases we have are about press releases and tweets declassifying. That begs the question if whether private unquivical declarations by the president (like a phone call , letter, conversation, or other action) can also declassify. @@AspiringDevil
@williamakaholla
9 ай бұрын
As a veteran what he knows about declassification was insane. I need to make more money, these public lawers gonna get me life.
@CEWIII9873
8 ай бұрын
meh there are plenty of OF floozies who are attorneys...
@PublicDweeb
9 ай бұрын
I feel sorry for this man fans clearing he’s lying to them - he doesn’t have good lawgic
@peterranney9488
9 ай бұрын
Man in here acting like a Presidential Library is equivalent to having documents from THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. What am I listening to???
@EX-Flashkick
9 ай бұрын
Love that Destinys running through exposing these conservative youtubers as 2nd rate conspiracy theorists
@richh9570
9 ай бұрын
Destiny only exposed his own bias and trash propaganda takes. There's a thing called separation of powers. Congress & courts don't get to tell the President what documents he wants to make as personal records. I bet by the time these cases all get to the US Supreme Court Justices, they will all be thrown out and dismissed.
@18andcloudy
9 ай бұрын
'I dont make stuff up Steven, I spend a considerable amount of time studying law, I just haven't in the last 6 months, so i have less knowledge than I should have'
@Jibsie
9 ай бұрын
" I don't make things up" said after making up the idea that you can't lose your license for refusing a breathalyzer
@unathorizedbargain8862
9 ай бұрын
you wont lose it in most states so generally most lawyers would assume that holds true
@ImEnemy608
9 ай бұрын
**thinks every state has the same rules/law on the topic**
@OregonINK
9 ай бұрын
This guys declassification argument sounds like the reasoning of a 5 year old
@cradio52
9 ай бұрын
Practically 95% of this entire debate could have been shut down by repeatedly pointing out the fact that Trump is literally on tape waving a pile of Top Secret military plans around to random reporters, lawyers and hangers-on in the room, saying the following, verbatim: “I have a big pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. They presented me this - this is off the record, but - they presented me this. All sorts of stuff - pages long, look! Wait a minute, let’s see here. I just found this, isn’t that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know. *Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t* .” So, um, yeah. Even if you adopt the ridiculous notion that a President can simply declassify anything and everything he wants using only his thoughts, it still doesn’t hold water because HE’S LITERALLY ON TAPE SAYING THESE DOCUMENTS THAT I AM SHOWING YOU ARE STILL HIGHLY SECRET AND CLASSIFIED. I NEVER DECLASSIFIED THEM. Like.. Jesus Christ. It’s so black and white, clear as day. If a tape had come out of Joe Biden saying this sh*t, this MAGA lawyer and the entire MAGA world would have an absolute MELTDOWN and would probably march to the White House to hold a citizen’s arrest and public hanging for the guy. But because Trump said it, well… here’s a trillion wishy-washy, outrageous reasons why it’s actually not bad at all.
@AKABattousai
9 ай бұрын
Where was this incident taking place? He was in Rochester or something and watching a thing that has him react to it. He also said it wasn't the classified documents, and it was a journalistic article he was waving around. The FBI didn't raid Rochester did they? They raided maralago.
@Pink_Hammer_TV
9 ай бұрын
If this guy's your lawyer, you're going to prison.
@soyuzsovietsky
9 ай бұрын
This guy’s debate strategy is impeccable. Make an absolutely WACKY novel legal argument, argue it like it’s 100000% fact, then be like “well it’s never been litigated in court so it’s totally possible!” Destiny should try this one sometime 😂
@RecLeagueWarrior
9 ай бұрын
Makes Destiny look ridiculous considering the president's EXPLICITLY DEFINED authority to declassify has never been challenged in court. Destiny would have you believe the shoe is on the other foot when, in fact, it's the prosecuters burden to challenge it.
@bigfloppa9594
9 ай бұрын
@@RecLeagueWarriorholy fucking copium
@Jounas1123
9 ай бұрын
No way he actually belives anything he says. A president can just hand me stuff and it's automatically declassified?
@redwoodclimber
9 ай бұрын
This would've gone off the rails way sooner if Destiny realized that his use of the phrase "taking documents is not a crime" carries the connotation of intentionality in the other dude's mind. His brain was broken the minute Destiny made that distinction lmao.
@LizStaples
9 ай бұрын
Wow haven’t made it to that nonsense yet, the Archive has all the paperwork and precedence to prove it is for sure a crime to take documents. Heck if he made copies but gave them back he might not have even gotten in trouble but he wasn’t smart enough to do that.
@meteorjuice4088
9 ай бұрын
Guy dropped the ball so hard he didn’t even make the main channel
@harstar12345
9 ай бұрын
As soon as I started debating this guy in KZitem chat I had a huge suspicions that he wasn't a real lawyer. This conversation has not changed my mind in the slightest 😊
@dannyboy3163
9 ай бұрын
Destinys hubris when all he says is “I’m pretty sure, or IM ALMOST POSITIVE… or I think the way it works is…” knowing he actually knows nothing and just says things like he does. And when a lawyer says something he goes “what are you talking about” instead of saying “oh man my bad I’m not a lawyer I don’t really understand legal jargon can you explain what you’re saying to me is absolutely incredible. How does anyone respect this kids opinion ? He’s immoral and yet calls others immoral, he’s dumb yet calls others dumb. This is a guy who says “If we’re not believing the indictment on its face we’re in different worlds”…destiny sees a prosecutorial indictment and just says “oh that’s all true”…insane.
@Lauren-zg9zo
9 ай бұрын
No WAY this guy is a lawyer
@ElZo1212o
9 ай бұрын
Wow. Destiny is arguing that talking to law enforcement can ever be a good idea. Reread the Miranda warning- notice the part where it says that “ … anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.” Notice how it doesn’t say it will be used to exonerate you.
@garrettgutierrez2677
9 ай бұрын
It is nonsensical that there can be a process for declassification that is legally binding on the president due to the simple fact that he has supreme executive power, and so a declassification request can only be vetoed by one of his subordinates, I.E. someone he could fire at will. It would be like if a general wanted to move his own troops to a different front, but his decision to do so was vetoed by one of his subordinate commanders. This would make no sense. These debates always go the same way, citing the extensive laws and procedures regarding how declassification is done, but these debates miss the important context that the claim being made here is that these laws and procedures are only relevant in 99.99999% of cases, I.E. in every case except the president. That said, I think it could be argued that it is beyond a reasonable doubt that these documents were not declassified, even in Trump's mind, since he hid them and referred to them as classified while discussing them.
@lampad4549
9 ай бұрын
Well believe or not the president has laws and procedures above having executive power doesn't immune you from that. How the military operates is different from the legal process. Even having executive power means you have procedures to folllow even military commanders believe or not cant just move troops on a whim they have follow procedures and protocol the line maybe different and more liberty maybe granted in times of active combat to military personnel. Can you cite somewhere it states these laws and procedures are not applicable to the present?
@garrettgutierrez2677
9 ай бұрын
@@lampad4549 I completely agree with you that military commanders and presidents and such have procedures that they have to follow typically, but you miss my point. If, in my example, a general's decision to move his own troops was vetoed by a superior general, or the president himself, that would make total sense. But for his decision to be vetoed by one of his subordinates, that would make no sense. And there can be no process for declassification that would be legally binding on the president since the entire point of the presidency is chief executive power. To declassify something is a purely an executive decision.
@SirBigDee
9 ай бұрын
My God! Someone who actually understands Good Lawgic's position. I can't tell you how refreshing it was to read your post. I was starting to lose faith in humanity.
@francis2064
9 ай бұрын
So if I judge have the authority to say, no this is not how declassifying documents work then that’s not how it works and we know this because a judge had to allowed for the warrant to search Maralago, so by default the judge is saying these documents are not declassified just because the president walked out with them.
@janispetersons5147
9 ай бұрын
I don't believe this guy is an actual licensed lawyer in the USA. The bar can't be this low.
@perknsmerch4824
9 ай бұрын
The mental gymnastics of this lawyer is astounding.
@AKABattousai
9 ай бұрын
Can the people who think Joe is wrong... Describe how the president doesnt have the powers by virtue of the title alone. The classified status comes from the president as the sole authority on the matter. As my understanding. The president can be charged with treason by turning over national secrets to enemies of the State. But he cant be charged with mishandling classified material, because his sole discretion is the range of that authority. He can be advised on how to handle them more securely. But anything he does with them is his sole discetion and because his authority is from the Constitution as the president. Not the government itself or any of the other branches... No one else has higher authority to say he is not handling them the "right" way.
@SirBigDee
9 ай бұрын
Count yourself among the few in this chat log that actually understands Good Lawgic's position. Everyone is caught up by their inability to conceptualize that the president has this much power. What they don't understand is the check to this power is the legislature's power to impeach the president. What they can't psychologically get over is that there is no remedy for the situation (if they don't know about impeachment), or at least a remedy that they like (if they know about impeachment).
@ImEnemy608
9 ай бұрын
No. They cannot.
@StinkCabbage
9 ай бұрын
NOT NUCLEAR WEAPONS SECRETS!!!!! Why is that so hard for Trump's supporters to understand????
@AKABattousai
9 ай бұрын
@@StinkCabbage They didn't just ask for the return of classified documents regarding anything nuclear, They asked for the return of all documents that were classified, which means they didn't even know what they were looking for or requesting. People still have 4th Amendment rights and 5th amendment rights. When Trump says he doesn't want people going through his boxes. He's declaring that he considered it his stuff as he took them when he left office. The Presidential records Act gives only the president the sole discretion to separate personal records from presidential records. So he'd have to be showing some intention to sell or trade national secrets or show that he was trying to harm the current presidents administration which was never shown, so they shouldn't be violating his rights without good reason.
@moonapearmy7099
9 ай бұрын
How is this dude a lawyer? I’m dying
@darnellismyname4011
9 ай бұрын
this is the reason I became a Destiny fan. Finally back to the good stuff
@TexasAndyAquatics
9 ай бұрын
Not sure if it's cause his chick left him or what but destiny who has always been respected as a reasonable person to appear listen to opposing ideas but( not just this video) but he has really started to be a radical lefty again, the person he always opposed. I mean I just watched the rotten house videos he made and he is quite literally doing the exact thing he used to scream at ppl for doing... I guess trump broke another leftist brain... Yikes
@chandler7493
9 ай бұрын
At some point during this Trump trial, the defense is going to make the argument the documents were declassified by Trump, and this lawyer guy in his react stream will wink at the camera. BUT then the judge will ask "ok, how do you prove that?", and then the lawyer guy will shatter into a million pieces.
@blondymonk1535
9 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter tho... He was the president.
@chandler7493
9 ай бұрын
@@blondymonk1535 No, when you're a private citizen on trial, you have to prove that when you were the president you did the thing that you claimed you did.
@chaosmos24
9 ай бұрын
Hearing Destiny quote legal terms he doesn't even fully understand is painful to listen to. Dunning-Kreuger out the wazoo.
@Taktiikka
9 ай бұрын
How easy is it to become an attorney if this guy is one?
@ChipCheerio
9 ай бұрын
@triiii1303I mean realistically getting into any profession at all that isn’t highly limited in terms of total positions is more a matter of determination and money than it is intelligence. Scientists, doctors, lawyers, engineers, tech workers, there are basically infinite jobs for these fields.
@paigecm
9 ай бұрын
he was a debt collector lawyer only
@andrewross8584
9 ай бұрын
The lawyer was wrong In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.
@Rowe104
9 ай бұрын
I’m not a lawyer- but a conservative that loves the republic and our constitution- and try to be consistent in calling out as just did destiny call out conservatives who would never let Biden or Hillary get away with this. Cuz I was outraged that the media tried to act like Hilary did nothing wrong- so I think what Trump did was wrong
@jontapp9947
8 ай бұрын
In Mississippi, if you refuse to blow, your license is immediately suspended for 6 months.
@TEHSOULREAPER
9 ай бұрын
I’ve only listened to him introduce himself and I know this is gonna be wild XD
@theluchakabuto5206
9 ай бұрын
Never trust a mf who opens with "the great thing about me is I look for and report on the truth and facts" lol
@TEHSOULREAPER
9 ай бұрын
@@theluchakabuto5206 ye, massive red flag, but that’s when you know it’s gonna be entertaining even if it won’t be a productive conversation haha
@matsab7930
9 ай бұрын
1:02:40 - “I don’t like about stuff, Steven” mere minutes after lying about refusing to breathalyse leading to legal repercussions. Impressive!
@eeyun5279
9 ай бұрын
"i dont fit into a neat box" said every guy ever who neatly fits into a conservative box
@Iamawesomenorly
9 ай бұрын
populist brainrot anti-establishment(because they're totalitarian) box an actual conservative wouldn't accept an attack on the very foundation of the republic
@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli
9 ай бұрын
I call big cap on him being a lawyer. 😂
@komlat253
9 ай бұрын
But he's a Trump support, u know how that can melt your brain 😂. He could still be a lawyer
@MrMctastics
9 ай бұрын
The talk about how you should never take a breathalizer blew my fucking mind. That’s not how a lawyer talks, no qualifications of how different state laws apply. Will 100% harm people’s lives, he has an “I saw this on KZitem” level of knowledge
@TheCromesd
9 ай бұрын
@@MrMctasticsyouve clearly never talked to a lawyer in your life, they will always tell you to refuse a road side breathalyzer LOL The audacity you guys have commenting on shit you just know nothing about
@tarfielarchelone2674
9 ай бұрын
@@TheCromesdnormies vs career criminals.
@bigfloppa9594
9 ай бұрын
@@TheCromesdthere's no point in refusing. Either you're not driving drunk and you're fine anyways, or you refuse and they blood test you anyways.
@thegrimeyhole
9 ай бұрын
Bruh, the fact he tried to tell Destiny you SHOULD refuse a PBT is insane. That’s one of the most basic things in a DUI traffic stop. *THIS* is the world that Pisco wants
@evadecaptcha
9 ай бұрын
Actually in most or all states you can refuse a road side test and implied consent only applies if you have been arrested for DUI (ie there is probable cause for DUI). They cannot just demand any random driver to submit to a chemical test without reason, even though cops will often request breathalyzers and field sobriety tests without reason. Another important thing is that you never have to do the performance tests, like touching your nose, walking a line etc. Many states make it required for the officer to warn you when implied consent applies and if there are consequences to refusal, but officers lie as well, so it's best just to learn the laws in your state. The thing he got wrong was he stated it more as a blanket general statement which doesn't take into account the nuances from state to state, and when breath tests are actually required. He was likely repeating what DUI lawyers would say about road side tests but stating it too generally.
@atypicalconservative6827
9 ай бұрын
You should. It can't be held against you and has no repercussions save a small fine in some states. The breathalyzer you implied consent to is the one post arrest. If you refuse that one they will blood draw you and your will get your license suspended
@YahBoiMocha
9 ай бұрын
@@atypicalconservative6827uh no. Every lawyer worth their salt would tell their client not to take the breathalyzer test even if you had NOT been drinking. The reason a blood test is the better route because by the time they take your blood you would have sobered up significantly. Bodies metabolize alcohol differently and as long as the blood test does not show intoxication above the legal limit then the evidence will be seen as irrelevant in court
@YahBoiMocha
9 ай бұрын
Also breathalyzers sometimes give false positives by over estimating your intoxication level due a number of factors and that can royally screw you especially if you were sober or actually below the legal limit.
@atypicalconservative6827
9 ай бұрын
@@YahBoiMocha bruh I didnt say one way or the other whether or not you should take the machine administered one I just stated the facts
@mulatso7959
9 ай бұрын
I'm a lawyer, and watching these bozos and the likes of LCTRfan make me ashamed of what I once thought was a reason to be at least a bit proud of. Trash degree actually.
@donkeydudeful
9 ай бұрын
This is your brain on Cognitive Dissonance. This lawyer guy is NOT being honest about his claims, and if he is, this has nothing to do with intelligence. It's all "What I've been taught by my immediate surroundings with nothing outside of me having any sort of sway on my perception". This reminds me of my family, who are generally intelligent people, not being able to think that Trump was a Fascist, but not a Nazi. They can't wrap their heads around it.
@colkestrel
9 ай бұрын
The law is what tells a president he can't just classify a document. There is a legal process for a document to be classified, even by the president. There isn't a defined process for the president to declassify documents.
@marifrit2490
9 ай бұрын
It's more that because classification creates punishments for mishandling the classified documents therefore some process is needed. Declassifying is purely at the call of the executive branch and only removes potential punishments so no process is needed.
@Zach.C1
9 ай бұрын
“I’m not talking to you” lmfao he’s scared to talk to an actual lawyer about the topic hahahahahaha
@Tyler.8046
9 ай бұрын
50:00 I'm pretty sure there is some misunderstanding about implied consent laws regarding a breathalyzer and their application. The lawyer is CLEARLY avoiding the fact that implied consent laws exist and how they work as he stated as much when he clarified that the breathalyzer at the station is required in states that have implied consent laws; although, he did it very underhandedly. However, I assume Destiny is unaware that in-field breathalyzer tests are not required, and generally speaking you shouldn't blow for an in-field sobriety test. That being said, if you're taken to a police station and asked to blow, that is mandatory if your state has implied consent laws and failure to do so almost always results in a 1 year suspension of your license.
@FazeCloud
9 ай бұрын
Lawyer debates are the best!
@cr-trtlrox4148
9 ай бұрын
It's spelled "lawyer" 🤓
@Goulash45
9 ай бұрын
*liar
@CornyWhiteMFDOOMFan
9 ай бұрын
The breathalyzer part was unbelievable
@Mike-vs1gf
9 ай бұрын
Ngl, and idk why, the second that piss co comes in, it just annoys me. I just dont wana hear him.
@slicedbrownies3338
9 ай бұрын
So trump could’ve handed a nuclear classified document to a Saudi national it’s now declassified.
@AKABattousai
9 ай бұрын
I do believe that is the one category under the department of energy that the president would have to go through a chain of authority to declassify. But in regards to any other classified documents, yes. However we would still have to judge the intentions of the actions, if he were trying to do a criminal act involving supporting terror or foreign interests etc. But not the mishandling classified part.
@LizStaples
9 ай бұрын
The Maga types genuinely believe Trump could hand our current classified troop intel to Saudi Prince or Kim Jung Un and it would be declassified and not a problem because Trump Is their God King
@StinkCabbage
9 ай бұрын
@AKABattousa And that it is precisely why Trump is being charged under the Espionage Act
@BlueDirt_ProAggressive
9 ай бұрын
Trump resume lawyer. Qualifications: believe Trump at all costs, even at risk of your ability to practice law in the future.
@tylerd3306
9 ай бұрын
This dude using logic from Aladdin. "You're only in trouble if you get caught!"
@daveavid
9 ай бұрын
Step one. Get a better mic so your audio doesn't sound like dog shit.
@StevenAakre
9 ай бұрын
It's not his mic it's discord.
@eddieburris675
9 ай бұрын
This debate made me ashamed I was a 2016 trumple.. where did this guy get his law degree
@LizStaples
9 ай бұрын
I’m glad you realize now exactly what you were supporting.
@swickens930
9 ай бұрын
Destiny has really dumb people on to debate recently. Theres literally a constitutional clause that gives the president full power of documents and declassification.
@ElCatrinMuerto
9 ай бұрын
This guy went from all he has to do is say it declassified to all he has to do is think it and somehow everyone else should know to it automatically happens when he walks out with documents. The last one even more ridiculous because if automatically happens, then they would have never asked for them back.
@LizStaples
9 ай бұрын
This thought process would mean that the Security apparatus of US couldn’t risk ever giving the president anything that needed to stay classified, because he could just flippantly give it to anyone.He didn’t think thru this thought process at all. Heck the only reason they are arguing this nonsense is because the truth is Trump was trying to commit blatant treason against the US.
@beerleaguebrodeur7724
9 ай бұрын
I wonder what community college this guy got his law degree from.
@RobertEgbers
9 ай бұрын
This logic should also put his undergrad and high school degrees in question also.
@RanEncounter
9 ай бұрын
@@RobertEgbers Well it should.
@AspiringDevil
9 ай бұрын
Greensdale I believe
@Rowe104
9 ай бұрын
Well paying attention to news with “elite” colleges being led by plagiarist Claudine gay- he prob got his degree from Harvard
@biz6361
9 ай бұрын
@@RobertEgbersdermatologist?
@ireneochoa1427
9 ай бұрын
You know when I can get demolished at a bank for sharing private information about members to others then why wouldn't it be a crime if a president knowingly brings a top secret document and shares it with others or leaves it in an unsafe area?
@triggerhappy899
9 ай бұрын
There hasn't been a better example of convincing me that lawyers aren't a uniquely intelligent group of people than these last few years of listening to lawyers like the ones in trumps admin and this lawyer.
@shaun5047
9 ай бұрын
I think they’re more intelligent than the average Joe. However mix emotions and everyone can start to argue with non sense. 😂 Just look at all the well meaning parents of addicts who are genuinely convinced that sending another $50 to their kid will go to needed food and not drugs.
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