The thing that makes their poor autofocus so terrible is the fact that IT LIES and says focus is on your eye when it is not (putting focus box on eye). That's what makes the issue unacceptable
@treypalmer5105
4 ай бұрын
This is indeed maddening!
@DigiDriftZone
4 ай бұрын
Fuji promised to fix autofocus back in 2019 with the big 3.0 release for the X-T3, it didn't fix it and we've been waiting ever since... Personally I gave up waiting and switched to Sony last year.
@footage5341
4 ай бұрын
Want to move to professional work. Can't afford to miss shots. Switching to Sony. Leaning towards the A7IV or maybe the V. You can't possibly sell an unreliable camera over 2k. Fujifilm engineers must be poorly paid. I understand that camera sensors thrive on light, but come on...
@DigiDriftZone
4 ай бұрын
@@footage5341 yes, it's really disappointing, Sony isn't perfect, the LCDs they use for example are garbage you can't use LUTs in photos, etc, but it just works - in video if you lean towards or away from the camera, it sticks to you 100% and this is NOT adjustable (because it shouldn't be)! Focus racking is adjustable and delay to switch to a new subject is adjustable, but once it sticks to a subject, that subject will be in focus, I love that. On Fuji you spend hours playing with settings and it never works right and the settings impact how quickly the camera follows you when you move closer/further from the camera which is totally useless.
@KarlGutowski
4 ай бұрын
Your video convinced me not to buy this camera. Your hear me Fuji? I'm one bad video shoot away from switching to Sony.
@edvard2942
4 ай бұрын
Hey man great video , I have some comments 2:30 , pulsing without any reason , static shot 2:34 eye in the hand 2:40 this stepping autofocus on a transition/focus pull is unusable in a shot + pulse contrast detect style 3:45 it never find you because you’re just TONEH , to blurry for the camera to know that’s a human 5:00 again, contrast detection only kinda of searching for focus 6:02 the center box becomes grey when a subject is detected, it is not active when grey , invisible box is on your head 7:56 Contrast autofocus only style , searching back and forth for focus 9:45 it found you because the main box is on the center and its focused on the windows behind you not like 3:45 (toneh) , It didnt found you because of the traking (It is not actualy tracking, it is more like how long should I wait until I search for mostly contrast focus) 9:55 contrast detect style searching back and forth 10:20 omg the pulsing That’s why I say the autofocus is a JOKE, because it is , Not because the eye-hand issue, that’s clearly a fixable bug but it got attention and hope they will not sell any more cameras until they fix this trash autofocus. But seems like even if they marketed this camera as having 425 AF phase detection points, it uses only 117 (minus area in photo) and from this behaviour I think its only using contrast detect mostly. It is as bad as a GH5 was when got released.
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
I think it is actually tracking and looking for a subject in more instances than you allow, but overall, I agree with you that it is very "depth from defocus-era Panasonic level"--better in more static shots because the focus isn't constantly hunting like those Panasonic cameras, but that's about it
@madfinntech
3 ай бұрын
The very beginning of this video proved the point that autofocus in this camera is seriously borked.
@SummersSnaps
4 ай бұрын
Even at 1:34 during your intro I noticed the AF lose you a little, for no real reason. Are you on 6.00? I'm running 5.03 and I rarely need to tinker with the AF.C settings, thing just seem to stick a little better.
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
Yes, version 6
@333_studios
3 ай бұрын
He explains that at 17:40
@mdenjoyer831
4 ай бұрын
hi can you compare again the XS20 and A6700 using the same sigma 18-50 lens to see the real difference, in autofocus and stabilization thank you
@markwiemels
4 ай бұрын
Good insight.
@JackieDElia
4 ай бұрын
I’ve noticed several out of focus photography shots after updating my X-T5 to latest firmware. A much higher rate than I was getting before. I thought initially it was me not waiting to acquire focus. But my camera is set for focus priority so I have no idea why it decided to take a photo when nothing was in focus. More testing!
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
I've seen this complaint a lot
@Carlos-mw5rw
4 ай бұрын
Why you don't try +3 and -2 with your 33mm 1.4. Maybe this setting can surprise you I guess.
@jessejayphotography
3 ай бұрын
I have a X-H2S and after the 6.00 firmware there definitely is worst performance in eye and face tracking compared to before I updated. I hope they can sort it out. In photo mode the animal and bird tracking has worked pretty darn good for me at least. Definitely not Sony levels of BIF performance but good enough for me. Honestly, probably 85% as good as my R5. I really hope they can focus more on AF performance and making their X-H line a solid wild-life contender going forward. Fuji is the only one rocking a stacked APSC sensor and the photos from the X-Trans sensor are amazing with rich color fidelity and noise performance.
@ghostgums
4 ай бұрын
I love the xh2s. It’s got everything I could want in a camera and I love the image quality. But this really is a shame. I do like to use AF in video a lot and I do experience a lot of AF errors. I don’t mind using Sony cameras but I hate the build and the way lenses taper into that small mount. No point in using something I don’t like having in my hands.
@lexgraham
4 ай бұрын
so frustrating because when the xh2s first released the AF on earlier firmware was better. they made it worse imo
@Iamquiroga
4 ай бұрын
I agree it’s random sometimes it hits and sometimes it misses but solid overall 👌
@allenschneider1847
Ай бұрын
I know Sony and Canon have good focus. Do you know how the Nikon Z6iii or OM1ii focus do?
@PhillipRPeck
Ай бұрын
I don't have any personal experience with either one but from what I've seen they appear to have really good continuous AF but I don't know how they compare to Sony and Canon
@brettgoulder5208
4 ай бұрын
The question is, is it worse with 6.0 or has this always been there?
@dccoletrain
4 ай бұрын
I do want to use my X100VI for a few static shots outside so I might have to try more modes. That lens is slower than some primes though. Still an amazing image
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
With that focal length and aperture, the depth of field will be deep enough that critical focus should be easier to obtain in most situations. Amazing cameras, still. Just wonky AF
@IJAY2509
4 ай бұрын
What I have never understood is why the Fuji, even though I limit the focus area to the center, always tries to focus on things outside the gray square with the eye focus. Why doesn't she ignore other things outside the box? Other cameras do that too...
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
I guess subject detection overrides the box. You have to turn off subject detection modes if you want to limit the focus to the user-selected areas only
@omadlom
4 ай бұрын
Really useful video thanks again
@dccoletrain
4 ай бұрын
I’m afraid to use multi but I’m always doing simple shots. I hear the X-S20 autofocus is better after the firmware? At least more people complaining about the X-H2S
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
Not sure. I've seen complaints about the X-T5, X-H2, and H2S, so maybe it's just the higher end cameras that people are complaining about
@ales_abreu
4 ай бұрын
You're really right, I have an XS20 and I noticed a slight improvement after the update, I purchased my XS20 a week after the update was released and I did some tests before updating. When I found out about the update and decided to install it, I noticed a slight improvement in the new tests and no problems yet.
@experiencewithchris
4 ай бұрын
I use a cine lens and manual focuson my Xh2s so this issue doesn't effect me much however, I can see how frustrating autofocus is.
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, it seems like it would be the move for people who are serious about the X-H2S for videography and narrative stuff
@TheOneAboveAll_
3 ай бұрын
It's 2024, and we are still talking about auto focus with fujifilm.....
@JackieDElia
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video. Very helpful.
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@clausstahl5413
4 ай бұрын
In 2024 there is NO excuse anymore for no reliable AF Mr. or Mrs. Fuji. I thought the sensor should be fast? There is a simple question...WHY is sonys AF so much better? And why is Fuji still behind?
@unluckyraven101
4 ай бұрын
Why didn’t you do wide/tracking with face/eye detect or animal detect? That was the whole point of the 6.0 update dude.
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
Wide tracking doesn't work with eye detect/animal. It just exists to enable the touch tracking feature, dude
@unluckyraven101
4 ай бұрын
@@PhillipRPeck lol funny cuz you’re wrong and clearly don’t know how the camera works
@shinoMusic
4 ай бұрын
Another Fuji excusionist
@bigd7696
4 ай бұрын
@@unluckyraven101lol funny cause you are wrong.
@RandumbTech
4 ай бұрын
Man, this is just painful to watch. As you know, I gave up on Fuji AF a few years ago. It's stunning how bad it still is while all other brands have gotten soooooo good. It would be fun to set up your FX30 alongside the Fuji so that you can see the real difference between the two. If was doing any type of paid shoot with Fuji, I would use MF 100% of the time. Ya just can't trust it.
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
It's not THAT bad 😅
@edvard2942
4 ай бұрын
Saw your fuji af/ aperture stepping videos, Great work:D They aged like fine wine
@Tech_Stuff_and_Other_Stuff
4 ай бұрын
Thing is that on pre 6.0 firmware it was pretty pretty solid AF, but 6.0 took us back to the stone age...
@mrsvetly
4 ай бұрын
@@Tech_Stuff_and_Other_Stuff 🤣🤣🤣
@JackieDElia
4 ай бұрын
After watching this video, I will not be purchasing an X-H2S.
@experiencewithchris
4 ай бұрын
You are missing out on how great the camera is..I haven't had focus issues with it then again, I shoot mostly manual anyway.
@iono_ritmo
4 ай бұрын
If you take control of the focus it's generally fine honestly. Just put it in af/mf mode, use AF to acquire focus and turn the focus ring to switch to MF so it doesn't hunt. Plus you can see it's in focus for sure if you have peaking turned on.
@marcorosero5752
4 ай бұрын
@@iono_ritmo en enfoque manual cualquier camara es excelente, el punto es el automatico, esta completamente roto en mi XH2s
@birjub9647
4 ай бұрын
Dont buy any fujifilm cameras till this isue is fixed. Its a big let down. Even to the owners who have bought and inveted into this system.
@iono_ritmo
4 ай бұрын
@@marcorosero5752 I'm not saying it works well. I'm saying It's not completely broken if there is a use case. It works for acquiring focus, it does not maintain focus in my experience. But I agree with the sentiment that we want working autofocus without any work-arounds.
@jaymills1720
4 ай бұрын
Sony or bust
@spanishprisoner
4 ай бұрын
I'm a bit annoyed at two things here. Who wants to film in F1.4? Not even a seasoned pro manual focus puller wants to sweat like that. If you stand 8 feet away, do you really need eye autofocus? It would be enough to have subject autofocus. This tests are useless for real world usage.
@brettgoulder5208
4 ай бұрын
The refocusing is part of the issue though. Doesn't matter if it's in f1.4 or f8.
@PhillipRPeck
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for your input. Obviously, stopping down would make it easier to pull focus but I wanted to stress the camera and lens. The focusing system combines eye, face, and body tracking dynamically depending on what it is interpreting in the scene. I also tested without eye tracking enabled and I tested with the touch tracking feature
@brettgoulder5208
4 ай бұрын
One other thing to add here, everything described here is also very apparent in photo AF-C, which probably matters more here for shallower depth of field. AF-S works fine all day long, whether or not the face is partially obstructed, but AF-C will lose the eye right away if there are any obstructions on the face. If someone takes a picture of Phillip with his hair blowing partially in front of his face, it'll lose eye focus despite having the green box on his eye. If you were in AF-S, it'll be tact sharp. This is all true even if you change the AF-C priority selection to "Focus".
@GeorgeKalokairinos
4 ай бұрын
Dude what are you talking about? After the firmware the camera autofocus is pure trash. In my Xs-20 it was fine before the update and now it hunts even with 2.8 lenses. We should not talk about how bad the ''tracking'' actually is. This is unacceptable for 2024 when all these other companies have great autofocus. About the subject autofocus that you mentioned it hunts and doesn't track well at all. Also if we talk about photography you need the 1.4. And the autofocus even in photos is worse than before.
@spanishprisoner
4 ай бұрын
@@PhillipRPeck I'll go and test the recommended lenses and settings from Philip Bloom and see how it works with the newest firmware updates. Will give feedback.
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