Also a good rule of thumb the general max amount of phase amps are 3x your line amp continous discharge of your battery.. phase amp = torque, line amps = speed
@finn_9999
Ай бұрын
Not line amps make speed the voltage is. Amps are just there to compensate the losses in friction
@MooseRidez
Ай бұрын
@@finn_9999 huh
@stevenervin4113
Ай бұрын
@@finn_9999don't give advice
@Charly95Fox
Ай бұрын
@@finn_9999 youre right motor KV so RPM per Volt is Speed limiter, and Amps are torque, yes you need torque to get over the friction but Voltage is the Multiplyer for Speed by the MotorKV Value
@finn_9999
Ай бұрын
@@stevenervin4113 who are you?
@MrLWFred
Ай бұрын
You just gave us all that info that normally you have to learn on your own. Thanks man. This saves us countless hours of trial and error. Unfortunately the Thanks button isn't working for me
@AllAroundTube50
Ай бұрын
Trampaboards has some INSANE VESC's and were the original developers of the VESC with Ben!
@rafaelr.2228
Ай бұрын
This is gold! Thank you! I wish you were into Sim Racing. The VESC is used to control servo motors for the wheel base of steering wheels for the simulators. I've been researching for two weeks and no one could explain the VESC as well as you did. Its all very clear, thank you again.
@joepatcity8320
Ай бұрын
Definitely, the wiring video is needed. I got a old 6.6 dual vesc that I want to put on my mx650 with a 2000 watt motor, but I have no idea how to get the wiring done right.
@tonytypes
Ай бұрын
Good stuff man. I didn't even know that the VESC can work with brushed motors too. Gonna have to look more into this
@rostik-ebike
Ай бұрын
About the safe start feature I had the same problem when profile set to 0 brake Don't leave it at zero and it should work at least for me it's solved the problem❤🎉
@user-tf3en1lr3z
Ай бұрын
Hi 👋 i have the same problem can you tell me please what exactly you did?and im dont use any electric brake if its matters
@user-tf3en1lr3z
Ай бұрын
Are you talking about the motor current max brake? And to how much you set it(and you have brake conect to the vesc?)
@4nlimited3dition_4n3d
Ай бұрын
Just FYI: Both Flipsky and Makerbase are pretty much the same, Chinese cheap corner cutting manufacturera producing controllers that use the VESC firmware and the open source designs, but they are not ”VESC”. The original VESC with the rights to the brand and which is actually made by Vedder hinself are sold by Trampa as far as I know. Those cheap ”VESC based” controllers also are often missing important components such as phase filters (to be as cheap as possible), so their performance can range from not bad, to explody and smoky. That said in the community on Discord, many people seem settled that Spintend VESCs are actually the best price/performance option if you dont want to buy the originals from Trampa/Vedder.
@4nlimited3dition_4n3d
Ай бұрын
Also additional note, you should check some teardowns of those cheap vescs you have, they can have some build quality problems such as the caps hanging freely inside the case(as in not bolted/siliconed in place), meaning that they will snap off and/or explode over time from road vibrations. And those cheap anti spark switches most often come without in-rush protection meaning that they can self destruct in just a few tens of turn on/offs and that can result in burning down your whole bike / controller / or if you are lucky, only the switch itself.
@lewebvirtuel9503
22 күн бұрын
100% agree with you on VESC clones; Cheap flight often crash !
@vuaeco
Ай бұрын
They should make this kind of controller but veered towards Ebike users and make it easy to understand and install. Just plug and play and that would sell like hot cakes.
@alexjasonchandler
Ай бұрын
yes, a wiring video please 😀
@TheAkyles23
Ай бұрын
V.2 please
@josuenava4555
22 күн бұрын
A video on wiring would be great for us newbies. Let's make this happen🙌🙌🙌🙌
@lewebvirtuel9503
22 күн бұрын
If you want something reliable and user frendly don't buy this !!!
@Tylor-sv8hx
13 күн бұрын
@@lewebvirtuel9503 Why so negative
@sicat2345
10 күн бұрын
@@lewebvirtuel9503 It is quite reliable actually. Being not user friendly isn't quite right. More like not newbie friendly cuz the learning curve for using a VESC-based speed controller is notoriously steep.
@morganmcdougall4259
18 күн бұрын
Unreal video Chris! Good to see you putting your knowledge out there to help others. We appreciate you man 🙌🏼
@ChrisBuissonDIY
13 күн бұрын
Thanks for the love Morgan! 🤟
@evimily
Ай бұрын
Wow your channel is a godsend. I am glad I found this before I spent a bunch of money on something I would just have ended up replacing! Keep up the great work ^^
@wes8486
Ай бұрын
Lots of things I'd like to point out. Since VESC is open source, any companies can make VESCs. Flipsky ones are the best budget option, but they are not original vescs by any means. They are built in china to lower standards and overall lower quality, much better than standard ebike controllers though. (they also are making a brand new vesc str 500, which can do up to 500 amps cont. at 22S, 40kw). If you want an original vesc, you'd need to go to Trampa boards, but they are very expensive. Yes they have no display, (official vesc display also coming soon but like $130) but a Bluetooth module will be the best add on. And using your phone as a display is leagues better than most ebike displays. Showing all sorts of stats from battery percentage and voltage, real time usage and temps, efficiency, etc.. Most flipsky controllers *can* be updated to the latest firmware, but they will have issues! Most don't have phase filtering hardware, so if you forget to turn the setting off it will destroy the controller. My flipsky also completely failed to properly detect my motor on the latest firmware. (the motor would spin horribly and randomly stall). I had to downgrade it to an old firmware to tune my motor, then update back to the modern one to get the latest features. If you need a small amount of power, you can get 5v from the PWM + and -, since you probably won't need those for an ebike. But that's only enough for maybe some LEDs or a small cooling fan. I used 20-25 amps of motor braking current and it slows you down pretty fast. But it is not as strong as a mechanical brake, and when the motor spins slowly it has almost no effect. Regen braking is much stronger the faster you are moving, Overall vescs major downside is complexity, but for nerds or people willing to learn, they are super awesome. So versatile, and with new things like silent HFI (which can make a sensorless motor feel like it has hall sensors), very promising future.
@ChrisBuissonDIY
Ай бұрын
All this stuff is true, thanks for taking the time to write it all out! I love my VESC, and feel like I'm always learning more. I had the same exact issue as you btw when upgrading flipsky's firmware, which is why I mentioned updating can cause motor setup problems. Reverting back did the trick for me too, then updating again to 6.0 and moving over my motor settings so I could have field weakening. I hope more people hop on the VESC train! 🚂
@JohnSmith-tz4on
Ай бұрын
Wait did you just say that using this gives you regenerative braking?
@ChrisBuissonDIY
Ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-tz4on VESC firmware has the option to enable regenerative braking, yes. It can be done using a switch or throttle!
@JohnSmith-tz4on
Ай бұрын
@@ChrisBuissonDIY wow okay I'll probably be buying that then for my cheap Varun $500 e-bike that has the PAS SET to start 270° AFTER you start pedaling... Wtf Germans
@hydrazi
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your channel! We moved to Ecuador (we're Americans) not too long ago to help family. I don't want to have a car but need mobility. Moped-style electric Scooters are super prevalent here, I bought one and would love to know more about what I can do to upgrade its performance. So, really liking your channel! And I am not sure how much of the things you can get in the US can be found here. Lithium batteries are definitely expensive here.
@Puppybreth242
Ай бұрын
I recently bought the baserunner from Grintech and it sounds like a very similar experience.
@M4libu95
29 күн бұрын
17:15 yes there is, first thing to check would be that your negative phase amp shouldn't be zero. Somehow when the motor ist turning backwards the phase amps are counted negative even when the torque is in forward direction. The negative phase amps should be the same value as the positive then you should have smooth full torque even when the motor is turning backwards. Also there is a safe start option in the "app" settings but this is more to ensure the throttle is zero after booting and shouldn't be turned off for safety.
@itsreformm
Ай бұрын
this was super helpful 🤘🏼
@kmaclub143
Ай бұрын
This got you a fella a like and subscribed.Keep going. I am building a 1500-watt trike.
@ChrisBuissonDIY
Ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the positivity! Good luck with your build ⚡
@Fosterforged
Ай бұрын
A wiring guide would be amazing
@ChrisBuissonDIY
Ай бұрын
Coming soon!
@jonspeak2807
Ай бұрын
Thanks! Lots of good info. More please 🙏
@MooseRidez
Ай бұрын
Awesome video brotha!!
@marraben
Ай бұрын
I wish this video existed before I spent a bunch of money on votol controllers 😖 I can’t even connect to them to program them properly , such a tremendous pain in the ass and to top it off they are massive by comparison
@winmarkesconde5651
Ай бұрын
im using votol not foc version, if you can tame then its a good controller. i will try vesc in the future mainly because of the size.
@ifeelstrange
15 күн бұрын
I prefer spintend over flipsky for a "budget" option. MUCH more reliable and they make this adc adapter which makes wiring your bike a breeze, especially if your building an e-bicycle/ebike and not an emoto/emoped.
@xpndblhero5170
Ай бұрын
I have a 48v 2kw Razor MX650 and I am interested in something like this but I have questions.... Many, many questions. 😂
@genjitsu7448
Ай бұрын
Great video! Well presented and very useful information for sure.
@paulsquier3286
18 күн бұрын
Would love 2 c more wiring explanation kids for newbies
@dtwizz83
Ай бұрын
Nice video buddy. Thanks for the detail it was very helpful.
@alexanderlundberg834
Ай бұрын
I have one flipsky dual vesc on my converted garden tractor/mower. But recently after two year's of use the mosfets for the drivetrain gave in. Replaced it with a generic BLDC-controller. Now i really miss the regen braking and the smoothness the vesc had.
@Whoadayson
Ай бұрын
Great info. Thx for sharing!
@rolflj
18 күн бұрын
yes, a wiring video please
@donjuanzx9
Ай бұрын
Great channel,lot of info... Subscribed!!!
@Altprophet
Ай бұрын
To avoid battery damage, you must also make sure the battery amps you pull does not exceed the C-rate of your cells.
@chrisperrywv
Ай бұрын
Neat. I’d never heard of those being used for anything other than eskate and onewheel applications. I wonder if you could configure it with wheelie assist! That would be cool. I’d love to see a comparison between this and a Kelley controller. I have one razor with a Kelley that came tuned for me and another with a cheap vevor kit that really needs a better controller.
@stevecumming6427
Ай бұрын
Wow, I bought a 75100 Pro last month & returned it for a 75100 Pro V2 with the key switch & voltmeter. It has a system power output for running lights & a horn it looks like. With a phone app a control screen becomes un-needed & brakes are on the com 2nd signal after throttle someone commented.
@roghaj
Ай бұрын
Great Video. I put a VESC in an electric unicycle.
@gabrielschoene5725
4 күн бұрын
Feels like this Roger guy keeps following me around
@bentBuilder
25 күн бұрын
Wiring isn't complex, they just have different labels for the same function. Plenty of E-Bike features, you just have to understand how the vesc works. Over heating issues: you need either passive cooling with the available aluminum heatsink or you can liquid cool both the motor and vesc with a special heatsink. But if you're over heating your vesc that just means it's not sized correctly.
@TrooperManaic
Ай бұрын
We use Vescs in out Balance skateboards "Onewheel's" And they are starting to get nuts. I wish the user interface was a bit easier but its w/e.
@user-tf3en1lr3z
Ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the video. Did you happen to solve the problem of the safe start feature?
@racko6ix
15 күн бұрын
So there must be a capasitor in line of the phase amps to be able to hold higher amperage for the torqey take off.
@cobra4439
Ай бұрын
I have a flipsky 75100 and with a heatsink and thermal pad the same size as the back of the controller I never go over 33C even when pulling 5.5kw which is about the max I’ve gotten out of it. It could just be me but I have never gotten regen braking to work on it even though it said it supports it…
@LoftechUK
Ай бұрын
I’m glad you know what ya up to 😂😂😂. Might update my bike.
@freehugs9223
Ай бұрын
Thank you
@ProspectorTripp
Ай бұрын
Very interesting, sir. I'll check it out. Thanks.. good work. Peace Prospector Tripp
@DanielSquidington
Ай бұрын
Oh and the boxy flipsky 75100 (The one that looks like a normal generic ebike controller with all the wires sticking out one end, but in black) tends to ship with the wrong firmware.. apparently..
@UkTechGuy
Ай бұрын
Great video, but there are tons of VESC producers. Trampa Tronic Maytech Spintend LilFocr Just to name a few
@Anonymous-jm3mg
8 күн бұрын
I have a Heybike Brawn with 48 volt 18 ah, maximum battery discharge of 15 amps. My controller box states 25 amp max current but hidden settings can be changed to 31 volts. I changed my settings to 30 amps output. If my battery's discharge is 15 amps, what does this do? Could point me in the direction of the best controller for my bike that will have most or all original features using my existing display. Current stock controller is model A062-AXD002, not sure of maker. If I do anything else to the bike, it would only be adding a second battery. With your controller recommendation, what could I expect? 0-20 about 9 seconds, 28 mph, and Heybike states up to 65 miles range. I'd like to go faster, further, with more torque for hills. This is my first ebike. I realize stock motor and battery have limits, I'd like to push the limits a little further, safely. Thanks for the video and help.
@Razorcrew_Cole
Ай бұрын
Good video
@chrisw1462
Ай бұрын
@6:51 Analog to Digital _Converter._
@sleekitwan
Ай бұрын
Very interesting the trade-off between low-speed hi-torque operation, and higher speed…reminiscent of the old days they had a manual lever on the steering wheel, they moved to advance the ignition timing, when they wanted more power, but they retarded the timing when going slower needing more torque. Obviously modern ICE technology, does this automatically. So I suppose that’s what’s needed here, but great vid. Question, does it allow regenerative braking/charging of the battery? The idea this is not terribly useful on a bicycle, I don’t buy into - what I would believe, is the tire wear would bust your b@llocks. Anyway, thanks for this. EDIT woops, you cover this later in vid! Thnks.
@fraserthomson5766
Ай бұрын
My battery has no name China cells that have a max continuous discharge of 18amps. I'm almost certain pulling more than this (30+a) would kill my range and possibly damage the cells. I'm saving up to build myself a decent 52v battery with decent BMS before tinkering with the controller..
14 күн бұрын
hmm it's bit complicated for me, with all the setup/software etc etc i was going for a fardriver..
@ProspectorTripp
Ай бұрын
Subscribed! Thanks Peace Prospector Tripp
@mtbrain1
Ай бұрын
you should also talk about higher quality controllers like MakerX D100 and the SKP Solo
@oldmanebikes8392
Ай бұрын
And if it can be used with a DD hub motor I would love to see any wire diagram
@skunkprints7952
Ай бұрын
Great Video! Will subscribe! I have smoked a few of these controllers trying to get software to work with my setup. Can you upgrade the controller firmware via bluetooth adapter and IOS app? I am running on Mac OSX and it seems they aren't replying to emails at the VESC website anymore. Anyway Cheers!
@LanceH-gt6oi
Ай бұрын
I just got me a wxbull Controller and Made my bike slower in all aspects
@TopNotchPanch
24 күн бұрын
Does this support an idle function? If it does does it also have stop/start
@powchainsamaniego6744
Ай бұрын
There is so many different bluetooth ebike controller and why you put lower controller with those kinds controller
@roysigurdkarlsbakk3842
Ай бұрын
This looks interesting, but I'll need to add a rotation sensor or torque sensor to make it legal here in Europe. With just the throttle, it'll be categorised as a moped or motorcycle, requiring registration and the proper license. Any idea if that works with this?
@SilvaDreams
Ай бұрын
Unfortunately this is exactly what these are designed for, electric dirtbikes. There are plenty of bicycle systems out there now days.
@roysigurdkarlsbakk3842
Ай бұрын
@@SilvaDreams But then, it shouldn't be very hard to add such a seonsor, should it? Can you recommend any other such bicycle systems that are OSS?
@oldmanebikes8392
Ай бұрын
Can these work good on a direct drive hub motor
@ChrisBuissonDIY
Ай бұрын
Yeah of course! There's an option for dd hub motor in the motor setup wizard. Wiring the motor just means connecting the phase and hall sensor wires color-to-color usually, which is pretty simple. Hope that helps! Wiring video coming 🔜
@oldmanebikes8392
Ай бұрын
@@ChrisBuissonDIY thanks
@fyter889
Ай бұрын
I have a cheap, off brand, fat tire e bike that I love riding, the controller went out and I replaced it with a similar controller that I found on amazon, now I only have throttle only, no pedal assist, no lights, brake cutoff or display, the bike is a hub motor with a crank hall sensor. Would one of these controllers get my pedal assist back? And possibly higher overall speed limit?
@sicat2345
10 күн бұрын
Phase wires doesn't have to be color-to-color connected actually. As for the hall sensor wires, the three wires for the actual hall sensor output can be swapped with one another as long as the black(-) and red(+) are not swapped.
@caleblower1982
Ай бұрын
I have been trying to get the 75100 to work on a geared hub motor, any advice? It goes but has no power or speed, and makes a lot of noise, needs a rolling start too
@stevecumming6427
Ай бұрын
Sounds like your hall sensor wires aren't connected & running just the 3 heavy phase wires.
@caleblower1982
Ай бұрын
@@stevecumming6427 already verified the hall, made sure I was in foc mode, and tried the hall a few different ways because the colors are not the same
@aski1529
Ай бұрын
@stevecumming6427they should work with no halll sensor connected
@caleblower1982
Ай бұрын
@@aski1529 when I put it into BLDC mode with no hall, it works but has no torque
@hus_10001
27 күн бұрын
Yoh overselling the controller big time
@MaNNeRz91
Ай бұрын
Do these work with a screen/hud? I'm thinking about one of these controllers for my ebike. I'm running a standard KT controller 45amp max 25amp continuous. My battery is 48v 30amp BMS
@user-im8yv6ne4f
Ай бұрын
hi...something else...try puttin a bicycle multi sprocket with a derailer on the e motor side..... mmmm.....i would check the speed limit...thanks...
@jugger18
11 күн бұрын
Did you have any problems with throttle setup, I have tried both a twist and thumb connected to COM 3.3, GND and ADC1 and it refuses to see any voltage changes as I activate it
@sicat2345
10 күн бұрын
Have you mapped it in input setup? try 5V instead try updating/reuploading the firmware
@jugger18
10 күн бұрын
@@sicat2345 Turns out I had a dead throttle. My kid blew up the last controller (unfotunate phase wire touch). Replaced with the flipsky, it appears it zapped the throttle as well
@paulbishop7399
Ай бұрын
ok, so will this kill me if I put it on my EUC?
@AKAKILLINGKING
Ай бұрын
How bout 75350 for a qs273…. Trying to get 15kw of power… got a 72v 42ah battery, this would be smaller and lighter then far driver 72450 & savbaton 72200
@ChrisBuissonDIY
28 күн бұрын
Do it and post results :)
@AKAKILLINGKING
28 күн бұрын
@@ChrisBuissonDIY I did it and I snapped my axle 😐 I didn’t hook up the throttle & just just the app controller to drive
@simonroese2596
Ай бұрын
I broke the hall sensor connection ... Any ideas??
@sicat2345
10 күн бұрын
it can run sensorless cuz it support HFI and silent HFI
@peterkeogh9613
Ай бұрын
Sorry for my ignorance but is the amp rating on any regular esc the motor line amps or the battery input amps? i find this very confusing
@ChrisBuissonDIY
Ай бұрын
On a regular ebike controller, they go by battery amps. Unless it's a controller where the battery and phase amps are separately listed.
@peterkeogh9613
Ай бұрын
@@ChrisBuissonDIY ok thanks thats very helpful
@_Raylo_
Ай бұрын
Wire that up to a surron motor if its possible im sold
@user-im8yv6ne4f
Ай бұрын
hi...good report...but you seem to know what your doing...you think....you can get an automotive wheel conversion motor...attach the fixed piece of the motor to the backplate of the brake shield...run the conductor there...also put an insert into the factory wheel for the rotor part f the motor...keep it under your hat .....you rmind me of me...better things to to... keep up the good work... god blessed you...
@user-lx4br4gk5q
19 күн бұрын
Is beetr from assi885?
@quantumenergysolutions9128
Ай бұрын
Nice thanks! Can it be set up to send the regen to a supercap bank, so regen never goes direct to a battery on load? So then each time the super capbank is full it automatically recharges the batteries? Then can leave the regen on charging the very low resistance super caps? Or can act as turbo boost lol
@ChrisBuissonDIY
Ай бұрын
Haha I don't know if that exists currently, but maybe you could build an external device to regulate the flow of current in and out of the VESC. With the stock hardware/software capabilities, regen would just go straight back to the battery.
@quantumenergysolutions9128
Ай бұрын
@@ChrisBuissonDIY Cheers, but I dont have a workshop, or the abilities. But you are welcome to make a video attempting that? Be the first in the world to do it. I suggest hooking up the regen to the CB, and another device to manage the transfer from the CB to the BB? Problem solved lol
@TheBimmerBarn
Ай бұрын
@@quantumenergysolutions9128 I guess I just don't understand what the benefit would be over directly charging the battery, but I'm no electrical engineer so some of this stuff goes right over my head 😂Sounds like I need to spend some time learning about super capacitors
@quantumenergysolutions9128
Ай бұрын
@@TheBimmerBarn If you charge a battery while on load it takes more work, thats how regen braking works. But if what you are charging is separate, its very easy, almost no drag. Why no one does this is beyond me?? Try discussing this concept with GPT.
14 күн бұрын
who can build a good battery for me ? and ship to The Netherlands? my battery only got a 35 amp bms :(
@mistermagnifico
8 күн бұрын
Costs an arm and a leg
@user-mk7so9ow6g
Ай бұрын
Would this work on an electric scooter?
@ChrisBuissonDIY
28 күн бұрын
Yes, anything with an electric motor friend!
@ryanwebster2167
Ай бұрын
are you running the hub motors on FOC?
@ChrisBuissonDIY
Ай бұрын
Yes sir
@ryanwebster2167
Ай бұрын
@@ChrisBuissonDIY when I tried to run my hub motor on FOC it cogs really bad
@TheBimmerBarn
Ай бұрын
@@ryanwebster2167 bad tune sounds like. Try to run the FOC tools, or find someone with a pre-tuned file for your motor online.
@sgas
Ай бұрын
emoto?
@-lolus-
Ай бұрын
ADC = Analog to Digital Converter
@ericthedesigner
Ай бұрын
why stop at 72 volts, why not 96 volts or even better 192 volts!
@cobra4439
Ай бұрын
It can be hard finding controllers that support that many volts. To achieve that voltage, you need more cells and series, and if you’re working with a limited amount of space that means less in parallel, which means less maximum amps, which means less torque.
@johnr2391
18 күн бұрын
i thought you draw amps... not "put out" amps
@sicat2345
10 күн бұрын
nah If ya let the motors on it's own "draw" amps, it would draw the highest possible amps it can get. It would draw current more than enough to burn the wires and the coils of the motors. The esc will limit the amount of current "to put" out for the motor to prevent damage.
@atomiz2002
Ай бұрын
take off the peel from your glasses wtff
@corywebb5537
Ай бұрын
I like square wave better..more torque and takeoff power..sinewave are SLOW!!! Take off AND half the throttle is deadspace..hate it..PLUS!, square wave is a more proven, and "reliable " technology..fact
@powchainsamaniego6744
Ай бұрын
It'd not ebike
@lewebvirtuel9503
22 күн бұрын
what to do is not spent your money on this toy; someday, somewhere it will fail !!! It full of features but full of parameters that can make your kit frying and you walking; field weakening is not reliable on this type of hardware. It's kind of "emulated" but i don't see any hardware onboard supporting this claim.
@joeperez3299
Ай бұрын
I have a 48v13ah 1500 and it's melting the wries. Can I turn it down to 46 v Will this solve the problem or do i need a larger battery. Please someone help me out. I don't know what to do. I can only go for a mile and have to Wait for the battery to build up its full power and Wait for it to cool down. Batteries are new and good I tested them.
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