hyperbloom doesn't suck, but of course if your Xingqiu deals no damage, Nahida deals no damage, Raiden deals minimal damage and steals cores from Kuki, while not being built full em, hyperbloom alone would not carry your ass on its back.
@tufol33k78
2 ай бұрын
It'd better put Collei or whoever the fck instead of Raiden here, yes. And the fact he said "Nahida deals no damage" or "Nahida isn't a damage dealer" or smt like probably tells a lot from his own Nahida artifact investment. The auto attack mashing, not including any charged shot, animation cancelled by swapping to next unit tells about how he loves Nahida as well, I'd say
@rocko1721
2 ай бұрын
the main problem was in 12 1 top half because just 1 minute and 20 seconds for bottom half is not great
@AweRQ-fs9mu
2 ай бұрын
@@tufol33k78 Charged attacking or animation cancelling isnt gonna suddenly make it that much better. For reference, nahida is doing 12k spreads on her E skill in the vid. That is how bad the investment is here.
@michael_bones
2 ай бұрын
Damn, even with bad ping I've never ever seen anyone being attacked by 2 different waves at once 22:20 Didn't think this is possible, now that's impressive
@bighat8794
2 ай бұрын
Cant believe no catch + no xingqiu c6 was more impactful than a fcking c6 "archon"...this video was the perfect ad against whaling lol
@rhoem1353
2 ай бұрын
Lol true this abyss is element breaking so need as much hydro ap
@SyrusKLM
2 ай бұрын
More like they needed an actual dps. If they were a real whale those team would have been enough. Also hyperbloom on multi target is trash
@shoppingforleaves3162
2 ай бұрын
I think it's a decent advert for why hyper-vertical is a silly way to go. They probably have C56 Collei but barely any XQ/XL/Fischl cons which are what really rounds an account out.
@Daverf1f
2 ай бұрын
@@SyrusKLM It's still enough to clear the dps checks though, the problem is it's a double electro trigger hyperbloom team with raiden kuki and c0 xingqiu lol
@SyrusKLM
2 ай бұрын
@@shoppingforleaves3162tbf they dont even need anything else than an actual dps, c0 raiden is just not it. If that raiden was c0 neuvi or c0 navia, the first half would have been more faster
@Exzeph
2 ай бұрын
I've been playing Genshin for 53.5 weeks and this Spiral Abyss was my first 36★ run. I had Mono Hydro as my one 'team' for a long time but, clinching Clorinde with a just ok TF set, and finishing Sucrose so Kazuha could stay on monohydro was all I needed. Teams were: Kokomi, Yelan, Furina, Kazuha Clorinde, Fischl, Kirara, Sucrose
@ganyunyuu
2 ай бұрын
i just picked up the game again and i have a pretty old unmanaged account for about 2 years or so and managed to get the fullstar on the first chamber with my dbane EM raiden on an overload team with xl benny and sucrose (my ahh was too lazy to switch to crit raiden😂) and 2nd side was kaz yelan xq childe, the rest of the chambers r just tao double hydro and international and i bag the 36 somehow. hydro app and favge truly r my champs for this abyss 😂
@deathmetalalchemist5861
2 ай бұрын
Congrats on your first 36 star! I am also a mono hydro enjoyer
@astroh4936
2 ай бұрын
Congrats! Nice to see Kirara there
@Kangoshi_ru
2 ай бұрын
C6 XQ > C6 Furina. Zajef was right, XQ is the best character in the game...
@impostorsyndrome1350
Ай бұрын
for cope people like you
@vladdyru
2 ай бұрын
But every content creator for the past 2 years has been telling me that Hyperbloom is unfairly broken - there’s no way they lied on the internet, right?
@luminous3558
2 ай бұрын
People only evaluate teams in the abysses of the time they first released in. Yeah cope hyperbloom works in 3.0s abyss same as low con national cleared in 1.X.
@nonno5104
2 ай бұрын
@luminous3558 nah it was p shit especially since it was mostly aoe content and hb is completely single target like it cleared okay but it wasnt all that
@el7284
2 ай бұрын
Hyperbloom is broken...at kqm standards. When you actually begun to gear your carries, the better AoE/single target becomes noticeable.
@benutzernamenichtverfugbar4977
2 ай бұрын
It's still a good team, but it's not enough on it's own anymore. You need to add talent damage to that for it to 36* clear. Abyss got harder over time.
@berry2386
2 ай бұрын
i mean i still use hyperbloom just fine 😅 but of course the level of investment from player to player varies
@Secret123890
2 ай бұрын
Highlight : 24:27 "JUST GO FISHING!!!"
@deathmetalalchemist5861
2 ай бұрын
We’ve all been there, you keep changing up every option you have and your clear time doesn’t change at all
@CrytecNBOMB
2 ай бұрын
I would actually love to hear your thoughts on hyperbloom as a whole compared to how most people perceive it on how strong it actually *is* and *can be*
@Heatranoveryou
2 ай бұрын
Well I'm pretty sure its stronger than the no swirl aggravate I play which has cleared floor 12.
@grazz9626
2 ай бұрын
Very low effort medium rewards, kinda high for some characters/comps but those are generally quickbloom teams or neuvi hyperbloom It used to be stronger when most difficult content was single target, now its more balanced Still relevant for players who want to clear abyss for the first time, can become less relevant after they invest into more teams
@briecarla556
2 ай бұрын
Still good imo but im biased since i have the units of the arguably strongest hyperbloom team
@CrytecNBOMB
2 ай бұрын
I also have the unit's for the strongest hyperbloom team possible my team is all C0 and I've managed to get so many pieces (*5 star weapons*) without going for cons and its really strong I'm just curious on jstern's thoughts on low to mid investment hyperbloom before other forms of investment as we know with "investment" we can make hyperbloom stronger but where does to line draw at what team when people praise how strong hyperbloom is compared to other units Is it Double hydro hyperbloom nahida? Is it Hyperbloom with alhaitham and nahida? Is it Quickbloom with furina, alhaitham, (Proto Amber) nahida? Is it Quickbloom with furina, alhaitham, baizhu? I ask this because I've seen many discussions on different youtube comments on different channels downplay alhaitham's strengths probably because they either dislike him or don't know how to play him properly or don't know they have to build him like a DPS so the assumption for a good chunk players possibly prefer nahida centric hyperbloom teams without alhaitham in them when they praise how strong hyperbloom is how I always thought I'm also curious what talent investment people stop at when hyperbloom is praised as well The way jstern sees hyperbloom can be a very important discussion that can change the way people view baseline investment of hyperbloom as it can be a decent option but to be as strong as people perceive it hyperbloom needs a lot of investment specifically your sub DPS's not just building for the seed's DMG
@RatchR
2 ай бұрын
Time to do it all over again tomorrow 😂
@aakashbansal8925
2 ай бұрын
I'm sick of it
@crimsonECH1DNA
2 ай бұрын
Butterfer tried to warn us! Slight sarcasm, but his greater point that the reaction itself is not the be all and ned all and how its the characters built surrounding it that should matter more.
@neo.3
2 ай бұрын
BatChesting i love hyperbloom BatChesting
@bonyeni
2 ай бұрын
The keyboard/mouse sounds really tied this together, reminds me of that one meme, if only the audio were a bit more fried
@mormegil84
24 күн бұрын
That was an intense last couple of seconds!
@faerieinwonderland
2 ай бұрын
I feel like people forget what it’s like not having constellations for Xingqiu and Fischl 😭 my Xingqiu isn’t c6 so when I play hyperbloom for this abyss, he really needs another hydro. My Fischl is C1, her electro application isn’t strong enough to do unique team comps or even make my Keqing strong
@luminous3558
2 ай бұрын
They do and its a huge issue for this games new player advice videos. CCs make videos titled "Top 10 teams for F2p" and they run few 5*s and mostly 4*s with high cons. This game is all about account age, the newer an account is the harder it will be to clear abyss because the 4* pool is completely ruined. As a Day 1 player what has helped my account the most long term is being able to pull on the 1.X banners which had the lowest amount of 4*s in the pool. That got me most 1.0 4*s at max con and a good amount of fav weapons. New players today get an off banner 4* and its someone like kaveh or gorou who is either useless or dependent on c6 and a specific team. The best advice one can give is to pull for 5*s that have a good 4* banner surrounding them so you can slowly catch up on cons. Also pull 5*s that can function by themselves like Nilou and Neuvillette or 5*s that at c0 can replace 4* units in teams like yelan. We can guarantee 5*s but we cant guarantee c6 4*s (outside of the 1.X ones but that takes like 2 years of wasting starglitter that could go towards pulls)
@raphaelmillion
2 ай бұрын
@@luminous3558 exactly, I think the "4 star clear = f2p" meme is so stupid when 5 stars are more reliable to get
@RieMUisthegoaT
2 ай бұрын
idk my XQ is C5 and my Fischl is C2 and I can clear fairly fine. granted I play them usually with other hydro/electro characters like Clorinde or kokomi ubt even just Nahida/XQ/kuki/Fischl is still good enough FOR HIGH ARTIFACT INVESTMENT, had to put that on caps because my builds are good, they aren't top level because I started playing in 3.5 but just putting a couple of months into the emblem/GT is good enough I can't wait for Fischl to be on a banner again because I'm gonna whale the shit out of it just for c6 Fischl
@el7284
2 ай бұрын
@@RieMUisthegoaTyou'll feel the difference at c6, when Fischl is suddenly lasting 2s longer between rotations, and when you can field her for extra electro app. Yes, you can clear just find if you have the stats, but the difference is noticeable
@waverton1234
Ай бұрын
They work fine at the cons you mentioned.... Xingqiu does not need another hydro even without c6
@chifffy
2 ай бұрын
You probably should've stuck on lynette ngl her c1 is capable of grouping the doritos
@chifffy
2 ай бұрын
Ie my ganyu bennet xl lynette cleared first side in like a min 20
@deathmetalalchemist5861
2 ай бұрын
Guessing your level of investment in XL/Bennet/Ganyu is a wee bit higher than the chars in the account in the video
@ooochoa
2 ай бұрын
Lynette can, but succrose cant? What is this game
@helrick2543
12 күн бұрын
Man i can feel the pain from here
@ryanli5803
2 ай бұрын
Needed Sac Sword Furina to increase uptime...
@teaQtheQT
2 ай бұрын
God, this was a pain to watch
@Kryo_GTS
2 ай бұрын
It's better to get three C2 Archons than one C6 Archon. (Raiden/Nahida/Furina) This is the best investment for any account and you'll never struggle with any abyss.
@jstern25
2 ай бұрын
holy cope
@Kryo_GTS
2 ай бұрын
@@jstern25 you think so? Just seems like a better option given that you still need two teams at the end of the day...
@impostorsyndrome1350
Ай бұрын
@@Kryo_GTS It doesn't matter if you have C6 1 archon, or C2 multiple archons, you still need investment, and you still need characters to clear that content.
@Kryo_GTS
Ай бұрын
@@impostorsyndrome1350 well it's kinda implied that invested supports are obviously needed to support the carries, and in this cause the Archons are the supports and arguably the carries...
@Aivur.Marshmallow
Ай бұрын
Not really, C6 Furina is just simply miles better than any of the other archons, heck C0 Furina is just better than the others with Nahida only being competitive because they designed Dendro reactions around her due to it being so late in the game. Even then she's falling off as new dendro chars don't want her and Clorinde doesn't want Nahida to use her burst as it makes swirling electro near impossible. The issue here is simply 1. No real damage dealers. 2. Got gaslit into thinking Furina was a "main dps at C6". 3. No resin investment
@MrJayslayerjay
2 ай бұрын
I don't fish for weapons either.
@-o8358
2 ай бұрын
it makes me feel relief seeing people struggle, i was just going crazy 🤣
@s-zs7nn
2 ай бұрын
im convinced if he tried double hydro hb with barb and xq second half and used furina in the harder first half he wouldve had a much easier time
@jstern25
2 ай бұрын
@s-zs7nn It's not in the vid, but I did that for ~30mins
@jstern25
2 ай бұрын
If you want to see the whole segment, it's in a vod on the channel
@s-zs7nn
2 ай бұрын
@@jstern25 cool thx for letting me know
@AR-gr6pj
2 ай бұрын
That's why getting good artifacts is better than getting good characters Fight me
@luminous3558
2 ай бұрын
This was a character issue tho... The account lacks critical constellations on 4*s to make them perform at the level everyone expects and also lacks a bunch of sub dps and a good on field 5*. Like you know its dire when barbara is on a team besides nilou bloom.
@AR-gr6pj
2 ай бұрын
@@luminous3558 In that case it was arts issue (and weapons) C6 furina have enough dps to 3 stars by herself Not even c6 xingqui would make a huge difference there Xiangling was doing 7k meanwhile it should be at least 20k+ I get around 35-40 in the same team That would save more than 30s
@deathmetalalchemist5861
2 ай бұрын
Nahh, good characters matter more, good characters with mid artifacts will beat lousy chars with perfect artifacts… a few extra substats in crit doesn’t make as much difference as not having Xiangling or XQ on your account and leveled
@el7284
2 ай бұрын
This is why synergistic teams is better than just pulling for whatever.
@emmanuel_40
Ай бұрын
@@luminous3558 I've never run into issues running Barbara Nilou, what makes it bad is if you don't have Nahida.
@isgonnabeagreatyear
2 ай бұрын
I was there FeelsStrongMan
@Hyuinn
2 ай бұрын
I've used the same team on 12-1-1 and my clear times were ranging from 8:36 to 8:58... yes, I have the catch.
@meganekkoi3282
2 ай бұрын
1st half: Raiden C1 XIangling C6 Yelan C0 Bennett C6 2nd half: Kazuha C2 Furina C2 Ayaka C1 Charlotte C6 2nd team works better than expected, especially with a melt/flex built Ayaka. Edit: I only had healing bonus on the 1st chamber, I like testing the rawer damage output.
@KevinJenkins-tg2kg
2 ай бұрын
Caitlin Jenkins Pryo: ⛑️Furina The Hydro Archon⛑️.
@MuhaamadAreeb
Ай бұрын
I feel very stunlocked with the hyperbloom slander
@MuhaamadAreeb
Ай бұрын
Wow, with zero characters doing damage a single target reaction itself can't carry you through a muti target scenario in the single hardest chamber in the history of abyss. Nowayings I think the fact that we are even having this conversation speaks for itself. The investment floor for the first 36 star is simply far superior to any other team. Expect maybe neuvillette, cuz you give him VV and three elements, he solo carries with good artifacts. Nahida does good damage, even no spread, it's 10k per skill proc. Xingqiu literally had not artifacts, it wasn't just that he wasn't C6 and even a lvl 80 fichl could've done more for the team than raiden was doing Bottom line is, if you induce that much copium into any other team, you're not even 2 starring
@reinhartsantos5703
2 ай бұрын
oh ffs the problem is obviously the first half of 12-1. its just not fast enough. I cleared this shit with furina c0 nahida c0 cookie and an underleveled barbara on the second half.
@yorookieh1196
2 ай бұрын
yo it hurt to watch this...feel 4 u my bro
@ujjwalrayamajhi1014
2 ай бұрын
Alhaitham Furina Kuki and Yaoayo 1st half. Yelan ,Xingqiu , Sucrose, Arlechhino 2nd half. This team is like so broken that I did it in 1st try this time.
@bruhhurb8276
2 ай бұрын
Hyperbat
@miori27.
2 ай бұрын
let's MEOW~ goooo ~meowstern 2024
@kurookami2830
2 ай бұрын
28:27 thanks
@zzzzzygaming
2 ай бұрын
unghhhh the clickbait... ok lets se what he has to say this time 😂
@arnoldli9537
2 ай бұрын
wait so he just 3 starred chamber 1 for a 28:30 LFG? holy based
@Marz333
2 ай бұрын
Idk my c6 furina, c0Yelan, c1Kazu and c3 Jean cleared 2nd half with ease 😭
@TruthSpeaker723
2 ай бұрын
That's crazy man
@haydenz0
2 ай бұрын
Furina is bad in hyperbloom. Thats why.
@berry2386
2 ай бұрын
ain’t no way people are trashing on hyperbloom, sure you could get away with low level of investment at first but in the long run it’s worth it to invest in your characters, i still clear content just fine with hyperbloom 🤷🏻♀️
@ahmdmoadi
2 ай бұрын
Is it a good idea to go cryo resonance with that c6 furina or it's damage loss?
@capacithor
2 ай бұрын
idk. I feel like if u at least dont want to farm for the catch.. get that raiden weapon x2 and give 1 to xl. if youre THAT lazy. keep around 300 pulls and get that weapon.
@tobymonas
2 ай бұрын
My first time on your KZitem and if your videos had started with HEYYY WHATS UP YOU GUYS 😃 ... I'd stop watching
@arnoldli9537
2 ай бұрын
more vids
@arnoldli9537
2 ай бұрын
this sen chatter chats too much
@stormeagle
2 ай бұрын
FIshge
@chomusuke1593
2 ай бұрын
why use barbara in that team?
@raphaelmillion
2 ай бұрын
hydro resonance
@Secret123890
2 ай бұрын
The best "deal" that Nahida provides is the def shred from her C2.... I use Nahida as a "def shred support unit". And yes, unfortunately hyperbloom isn't good enough anymore.
@onee-chansplaytoy5863
2 ай бұрын
meanwhile the entire comunity is still shitting on hyperbloom for being too "Broken" to this day on every platform
@deathmetalalchemist5861
2 ай бұрын
I dunno, non C2 XQ makes it look a lot worse … but yeah you still want built characters and leveled talents… with this abyss I don’t think solely core damage from hyperblooms will be enough
@ooochoa
2 ай бұрын
Nahida/Furina/Kuki/Kokomi does pretty good second side.
@skoverton5553
2 ай бұрын
Hyperbloom is still insane for low investment. Issue is this guy had no investment minus Furina cons. Hyper also isn’t amazing in aoe which is all of chamber 1 both sides so it doesn’t shine here
@emmanuel_40
Ай бұрын
@@onee-chansplaytoy5863 It's not just the reaction, but the units who are in that team comp. If you have Nahida, double hydro, Neuvillette, Kuki/Raiden you're not going to be having problems. I personally don't like the Neuvillette one with only Kuki, but even my f2p alt account does just fine with the Nahida double hydro team.
@KevinJenkins-tg2kg
2 ай бұрын
Caitlin Jenkins Pryo: ⛑️Raiden Shogun The Electro Archon⛑️.
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