this footage of furtwangler has me in tears every time I see it and I've seen it like 100 times
@QuickMadeUpName
10 жыл бұрын
this clip never gets old, been re-watching it for years.
@marcinstepien3920
6 жыл бұрын
me too
@MahlerBruckner
5 жыл бұрын
I first saw this clip 10 years ago, watched it repeatedly, then managed to forget it for a few years. It's good to be back.
5 жыл бұрын
exactly the same feeling... since 25 years ... I am 41 now ;)
@ragnarostbrok1254
3 жыл бұрын
Ik ook
@ragnarostbrok1254
3 жыл бұрын
@ I will end like you. I think I was 16 when I found this video
@davidheald2639
Жыл бұрын
What a performance. Never heard the Brahms 4th Symphony played like this. Truly remarkable. Furtwangler was the greatest of conductors, in that he had by some method by where he had a metaphysical connection with the actual music of Brahms. This relationship with the composers music was then imparted to the orchestra by Furtwangler producing a monumental performance
@Methilde
9 ай бұрын
Yes, a magician
@germanchris4440
6 ай бұрын
And that means occult, which is demonic. That's the spirit of this fallen world including all of its art, indeed. But I know, in some cases it's really impressive and great.
@photo161
12 жыл бұрын
You may disagree with any, some or many of the particular interpretive detail of this performance, but in the end it is the overwhelming, the ferocious intensity of the playing that sweeps all before it. Brahm's raging heroic fatalism is conveyed to the absolute max. After hearing this, all other interpretations seem trite and cowardly.
@swimmad456
9 жыл бұрын
Thank you Francis for this post. It says something about the British that 3 years after the most awful conflict, we were prepared to invite this cultural icon of our erstwhile enemy to our homeland to show how great art is made.
@BorisGodunov
17 жыл бұрын
Fantastic. My favorite interpreter of the Brahms 4th. Could the finale ever be so powerful with another? I doubt it.
@detectivehome3318
3 жыл бұрын
Try Stokowski
@markdecker7489
3 жыл бұрын
@@detectivehome3318 I have, thanks. My comment stands. :)
@juanuceda401
2 жыл бұрын
Try Carlos Kleiber in 1994 with BPO and H. v. Karajan in 1988 with BPO.
@brucevannote5002
2 жыл бұрын
Try Walter in 1960
@markdecker7489
2 жыл бұрын
@@brucevannote5002 I'm familiar (I think I have about 40 different recordings of the Brahms 4). Walter's is okay, but IMO nothing particularly outstanding. It seems almost too *polite,* with underwhelming (to me, anyway) brass and what seems like a thin string section. Then again, I have never much cared for the Columbia Symphony's sonics, something about the recording studio sounds a bit dead. And I vastly prefer Furtwangler's tempi, especially in the finale. Walter's drags a bit there. But where Furtwangler's really wins is how he brings out every layer and voice in the orchestra so well, making a luscious "fat" sound" while still having a brisk pace. He gets an unparalleled fullness without being *too* thick. I don't know how he did it, but somehow he always got that kind of sound from whatever orchestra he was leading.
@photo161
9 жыл бұрын
a performance like no other...incredibly propulsive and dramatic...almost unbearably exciting.
@justorigores
9 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the rehearsals are better than concerts
@emtube9298
17 жыл бұрын
He's not playing the notes, he's "channeling" spirit of the music.
@Classical741
Жыл бұрын
I've heard or watched many, many performances of the 4th over the last 50 years, and none of them conveys as much pure forward-reaching excitement, passion and formal understanding as this one. If this was a rehearsal, what must have been the actual performance like?
@violinthief
18 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this! Though this rehearsal is in London, I believe it is the Berlin Philharmonic that is playing. Incredible performance.
@pedrovski10
15 жыл бұрын
This is incredible you'll never hear anything like this again from these journey man conductors we have now
@jhb134
10 жыл бұрын
The breadth and depth of the great, German conductor ... with a most-responsive Orchestra. IMO, the camera work is VERY fine, as it shows the Orch., and Wilhelm F, as the latter enunciates/leads the Orch., in a most-propulsive way, towards one of the GREATEST finishes, to this great Symphony.
@ootamanabu6254
8 жыл бұрын
0:01 professor and student communication ...........
@AfroPoli
7 жыл бұрын
Hahaha xD
@Lefnuid-k7z
5 ай бұрын
I went to search other conductors' performance in this final part of movement 4, including Barenboim, Haitink, Bernstein, Ozawa, Karajan, Kleiber....I still find Furtwangler's version is the best. Ferocious, powerful, wild, intensive, impressive, fantastic....it is the best interpretation of Brahms's mind and spirit in his works (full of german's passion and proud for thier musical culture ). I agree with some comments that no one has done such astonishing performance like Furtwangler~. The orchestra was just like a group of uncontrollable horses..violently run very fast on a rubble road but can maintain their elegance and persistence till the end. After watching this video, I can realize why he chose to stay a country controlled by Hitler. He just wanted to protect the culture, spirit, and nature inherited by german musicians. Even he was condemed by some people or jews for not leaving the third reich, I think his strong passion about classical music made him still become one of the best conductor in the world. No wonder that Maria Callas said that he was Beethoven....In this short video, he was also Brahms.
@filipprott2157
2 ай бұрын
Bareinboim has idea how to play B. And sure, no comparison to F among mentioned ones.
@violinistoftaupo
9 жыл бұрын
I love the footage of Furtwangler. His unconventional conducting style is well described and is one of his trademarks.
@mmarky26
14 жыл бұрын
one of the most incredible and important pieces of classical music histroy. What a recording, what a speed, what a moment, insanity of Brahms truefully painted by Furtwangler. Can't stop looking at it.
@stephanoszwi3032
4 жыл бұрын
He would almost certainly commit suicide these days, where everything good, beautiful and noble is being neglected and supressed.
I am really glad to meet so many Furtwangler's Fans through KZitem.
@jin12345678
14 жыл бұрын
watching this video I realize that the precision of this movements and his absolute control - unlike what most people think- is what made his conducting so great. watch as his left hand follows every note of a phrase, dictating exactly the phrasing and the dynamics, being as minimal as klemperer or celibidache while at the same time being as dynamic as toscanini or as richly expressive as stokowski. his conducting
@TheBallet1
9 жыл бұрын
timeless, organic, mighty Furtwangler.
@deadlift65
16 жыл бұрын
There are many great conductors (thank God), but Furtwaengler has his own category.
@henkerfastwalker
14 жыл бұрын
Einmalig. Was fuer ein grosser Dirigent. Mein Vater spielte das erste Fagott ! Er war, von den fuenfzigern an einer der bedeutensten Fagottisten in Deutschland und spielte auf einem Heckel Fagott fuer 60 Jahre ! Viele Schallplattenaufnahmen mit beruehmten Saengern und Musikern folgten und Konzerte mit Karl Richter auf der ganzen Welt. Bin sehr stolz auf Dich ! Ich vermisse Dich !
@uliwidmaier2136
7 жыл бұрын
Mein Gott, da bist Du ja durch Deinen bedeutenden Vater ganz nah dran am größten nachschaffenden Musiker aller Zeiten! Was hat er denn über Furtwängler gesagt?
@HarryOKelly
11 жыл бұрын
Rehearsal !!! He was the best conductor !
@MilaGontcharova
2 жыл бұрын
The God!!!
@gdp6586
3 жыл бұрын
Hooked on Furtwängler. Anything conducted by him always mesmerising!
@MilaGontcharova
3 жыл бұрын
Моё любимое Божество!!!!! BRAVO!!! Постоянно переслушиваю эту репетицию и слёзы сами наворачиваются от красоты и мощи. Какое счастье, что Бог подарил нам такого гения!
@MegaClassicguy
11 жыл бұрын
""Well", she sighed, "you see what we have been reduced to. We are now in a time when a Szell is considered a master. How small he was next to Furtwängler." Reeling this disbelief - not at her verdict, with which I agreed, but from the unvarnished acuteness of it - I stammered, "But how do you know Furtwängler? You never sang with him." "How do you think?" she stared at me. "He started his career after the war in Italy. I heard dozens of his concerts there. To me, he was Beethoven."
@larsbrp
5 жыл бұрын
Maria Callas
@kerrgal
Жыл бұрын
Is this from a book?
@MegaClassicguy
Жыл бұрын
@@kerrgal yes The book from John Ardoin, who knew personally Maria Callas very well.
@kerrgal
Жыл бұрын
@@MegaClassicguy Which one? He has several.
@MegaClassicguy
Жыл бұрын
@@kerrgal his book on Furtwangler
@Hotrodpiano
11 жыл бұрын
If that's his idea of a rehearsal....imagine the Concert. .. Perfect phrasing, great power to the point of being ominous, forward movement unstoppable as a high speed train, complete control and communion with orchestra, great example of the power of the human spirit
@gorankatic40000bc
8 жыл бұрын
What can be said for this mess of his hair and bad technique of combing he used? Nothing. Elisabeth should have done better job with her comb skills as he apparently never used one. Luckily baldness amends all present errors and errors of the past of not not being too much of a combable person.
@wxsty
7 жыл бұрын
He may deliberately be imprecise. His wanted the conductor and the orchestra to co-creates new music experience in each performance. A clear baton technique destroys the chemistry and liveliness of something that evolves on its own.
@photo161
6 жыл бұрын
The technique of successfully willing an orchestra to play beyond the limits of their own technique...that's no mean technical accomplishment.
@malthuswasright
6 жыл бұрын
One of the most moving performances I've seen was Mravinsky and the Leningrad Phil. As a musician I'd have struggled to follow him. But the results were astonishing.
@cortootify
4 жыл бұрын
what an idiot you are, you dont understand his technical precise.
@johannesasfaw
4 жыл бұрын
really? A mess? the first 2 bars are the most incredibly precise conducting I've ever seen already! It's a lot of technique - every going up happens exactly in half the time as going down which is v technical and helps to play together. Then he shows direction to the next bar by using slightly less space in going up, whereby the players know (because the baton goes up to a smaller height) they must play slightly faster for that beat. His technique (I only watched one minute so far) is already beyond what I see almost any other conductor ever do. There is great precision in my view (especially if one follows his baton). ... after seeing the whole video I see your point lol
@diederik2008
8 жыл бұрын
Me too I've been watching this for years. Small tip if you like this .. I can recommend the Music & Arts 4941 CD set (furtwangler best brahms versions of all four symphonies). Just discovered the Jan-45 version of the adagio of the First on there .. quite unbelievable.
@tantris39
12 жыл бұрын
if this was a rehearsal, I wonder what the actual concert was like....
@АртемийСталобыть
6 жыл бұрын
Crescendo from 4:05 is like tsunami...
@wlrlel
3 жыл бұрын
Yes it's so incredible...
@hophmi
14 жыл бұрын
No one has the balls to take it at this speed today. This is a piece Furtwangler and the BPO owned.
@kodalycat906
4 жыл бұрын
That Furtwangler and the BPO "owned" this symphony after both profoundly imbued entities had the wealth of experience with this great art those many years...no doubt! I think, however, it's less about having "the balls" re: alert, driven pulse as the moments require to speak Brahms powerfully and persuasively, and perhaps more about the performing tradition of the last three decades, say. Daniel Harding, a wonderful exponent of the master, has in relatively recent past had the nerve to take this last movement, especially, at it's most cogent tempo.
@KeithOtisEdwards
15 жыл бұрын
When I first viewed this performance in "The Art of Conducting" video, I thought it was the finest performance of the finale of Brahms' 4th ever. But now, I hear some passages which sound jumbled, although others are still the finest. I suppose that the reason for this is obvious. Can you follow his beat? He appears to be a marionette dangling his arms about. Still, go to the video of F. rehearsing Schubert's "Unfinished," and you'll see what a perfectionist he was.
@cynthiakatsarelis5617
4 жыл бұрын
He sped up at a crucial point and it took a bar or two to come back together. I thought the beat was clear at the beginning, and that establishes tempo.
@lloydl7425
4 жыл бұрын
This start of this excerpt tells me that Brahms and Wagner had something in common. Furtwangler had this music in his guts, it’s instinctual.
@LtAld0Raine
3 жыл бұрын
I alwyays felt that Wagner+Brahms complete each other in achieving the quintessential summary and summit of Western classical music. After Wagner and Brahms, for me there is just experimentation, sometimes very interesting, but without enduring results.
@j.p.westwater2334
2 жыл бұрын
@@LtAld0Raine Absolutely. Two teleological sides of the same coin. Time has made them far more similar than they were ever different. The great equalizer.
@Methilde
9 ай бұрын
Completely differents in any levels, sorry but read Nietzsche true vision of Wagner tyrannical music when Brahms could let you follow your dreams inside his music.
@TheOneAndOnlyZelenkaGuru
Ай бұрын
@@Methilde Nonsense, Nietzsche knew nothing about music
@Methilde
Ай бұрын
@@TheOneAndOnlyZelenkaGuru Young Nieztche at first wanted to be musician, wrote with a quite good level few pieces and his compositions are published still now. The real ignorants are so often pretentious too.
@rolandonavarro
17 жыл бұрын
The greatest of all 20th Century conductors. I don´t have any doubt. This is a good example.
@Modernmanx
13 жыл бұрын
Furwängler - the greatest conductor of all times! He creates music during the concert. Every concert is like the birth and creation of the music. His body is showing the musical ideas and not the beat.
@mattpburke
16 жыл бұрын
I don't know if people can imagine this, it's hard, but imagine this in glorious High Definition with Super Audio sound! Then we would truly hear what this would have sounded like. But....just LISTEN TO THAT!!!
@PinacoladaMatthew
11 ай бұрын
i thought Karajan's version was powerful, this was on a whole other level
@h.s.7734
3 жыл бұрын
It's just a rehearsal! Clearly surpasses many ordinary common live performances at the moment. Recording technology really coudn't follow. C'est veraiment dnmage! この、リハ映像、記録の背景(アーカイブ)をはっきりさせてくれないか?歴史的記録だよ。リハでこれって、本番はどんな凄い演奏だったんだ…?録音、記録、残ってないのかな? 演奏家の何人かが、カメラ目線になっちゃうのは、録画、映像記録がレアだった時代だな…。
@ilbacioditosca
17 жыл бұрын
There are very few masters of conducting and sorry but Bernstein is not in that list. If you want to name some, Klemperer, Furtwangler, Celibidache, Kleiber. Listen the Bach Saint Mathew Passion by Bernstein in New York and you will understand that he had some problems
@auerod
14 жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of Furtwangler but this is absolutely scintillating. I've never heard something as angry and passionate as this. I haven't been able to stop listening to this for the past week. It sounds like he's using his baton to fire cannons and I hear smoke. Simply extraordinary!
@specialforces101
3 жыл бұрын
Most conductors are afraid to deploy forte brass and percussion. Presumably because they can't integrate it into the other bands.
Maravilloso material, pese a la época muy buena grabación, es grandioso que hoy podamos admirar de las maravillas de ese tiempo como lo fue Furtwangler. ¡ Danke schÖn!. :)
@zigeunerlieder
10 жыл бұрын
Ninguna versión es comparable a ésta. Gracias!
@Recolation
11 жыл бұрын
Ah, the way the timpanist goes to town in the finale always gets me.
@1401JSC
15 жыл бұрын
Yeah...the doublebass bowing is underarm (continental) not as in England. It was however the position of this section that worried me, I thought that in the 40s, the Basses of the BPO were set behind the 1st violins. Does Fürt really need to rehearse Brahms with this orchestra???
The vastness of his conception, his vision of entire work as a single entity, and his ability to bring it forth, while letting the details shine through.....
@edelamsee
11 жыл бұрын
What did Callas say? PS I am granson of Furtwängler
@larsbrp
5 жыл бұрын
Is it true he had 13 kids before his second marriage? Did he love his kids?
@sethleach1
11 жыл бұрын
Kudos for putting Kleiber before Karajan.
@Perseus12345678
14 жыл бұрын
wow! what a marvel. don't care what his persuasions were. he is for the ages. arts stands for all. inspires all.
@Hotrodpiano
11 жыл бұрын
Comparison will do justice to neither. What is comparison but an attempt to find an explanation to the unexplainable in art, or putting into words what should remain Music, or unnecessary proof of our limits. Quoting what others said about Furtwaengler is to speak to people's rational proof seeking, whereas in Music only Music can convince the open heart.
@MegaClassicguy
12 жыл бұрын
PS2 Note also that Carlos Kleiber, when he was very young, went with his friend to the Scala in Milan to attend Furtwângler's concerts and that they were extremely impressed by the old maestro.
@henkerfastwalker
14 жыл бұрын
Einfach einmalig.Von 1948 ! Am ende dieses Filmes, hinter dem Flutisten, erkenne ich meinen Vater ( geboren 1914 ), der nach dem Kriege eine der bedeutensten Fagottisten war. Er war dreieinhalb Jahre in Gefangenschaft, bis 1948 , wo man 1,8 Millionen Deutsche verhungern liss. Er war gerade nach Berlin zuruckgekommen.
@packer812
3 жыл бұрын
I don't which orchestra this is, but they sound as good as the Vienna Philharmonic. Furtwangler was a magician.
@franciscomello5419
3 жыл бұрын
The Berliners, in London
@yenhoho
13 жыл бұрын
The beginning of the film, the music reminds me of Wagner's Tannhauser Overture.
@jacobtapianieto9655
3 жыл бұрын
Curiously enough, Brahms and Wagner were rivals, at least in the artistic way. Actually some other excerpts from Brahms' symphonies have just a little bit of a Wagnerian touch, I think.
@Lefnuid-k7z
5 ай бұрын
I have never heard the Brahms 4th symphony could be played very strong, powerful, and beautiful...Hope I could buy a ticket at that time to enjoy his music....
@alexandar.jovanovic
4 ай бұрын
They really do what composer says. This is ALLEGRO, this is ENERGICO, this is PASSIONATO. Don't know why, but many modern Brahms performances lack this dimension of agitation. It's all too clean and elegant.
@crescentmoon54
3 жыл бұрын
Up to this point I liked George Szell's Brahms Symphonies with Cleveland... but Furtwangler.... blasts off the earth with this!!
@gunmenow
16 жыл бұрын
this is the greatest version i ever heard. i'm addict to it, viva la furtwangler
@danieladalcortivo6919
6 жыл бұрын
Toscanini (forse un po' invidiosetto) sosteneva che Furtwängler era un "geniale dilettante"... a parte che nella direzione anche Toscanini lo era (entrambi avevano studiato uno strumento e composizione), questa è la prova che - come diceva Prêtre - la capacità della direzione è un dono, un carisma: o ce l'hai (come Furtwängler, Toscanini ecc.) o non ce l'hai, e puoi studiare quanto vuoi! e qui F.dimostra di avere queso dono in misura somma!
@marioargentieri1778
Жыл бұрын
...E di essere stato anche un nazista al soldo di Hitler!!
@MegaClassicguy
12 жыл бұрын
PS I have written a very long article on wikipedia with a part about the "siritual dimension" in Furtwângler's art where you can find quotations from these musicians. But it is wikipedia in french. If you have similar quotations from great musicians (not journalists or critics) about Kleiber I will be very interested in reading them.
@ilbacioditosca
18 жыл бұрын
The Conducting technique of Mr Furtwangler was very clear for the people who can understand it.Some of the detructors should go over political issues and accept like the mayority of great musicians like Menuhim,Abaddo,Baremboim,Celibidache, that he was not just a great conductor but somebody who could interpret and create with the orchestra as a genius.
@AlexSzell
Жыл бұрын
The best of times, when only men would play in orchestras.
@PinacoladaMatthew
3 ай бұрын
😂what a brave statement.....😅😅😅😅
@natedogggaming1607
2 ай бұрын
moronic take
@TheStockwell
13 жыл бұрын
@amfortas1978 He'd been conducting the BPO for 25 years, so, they had a lot of experience with Brahms. He knew what he could get from the orchestra and they knew what he was after.
@massawax
17 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you about the great names of conducting. Furt left a great liberty to his musicians. where does this precious Furt footage originate from? I would like to purchase the whole master. Regards
@HORNSPWN
16 жыл бұрын
i love brahms so much...his music...especially this movement...its jus so much emotion put into it...idk...its jus so amazing
@伊木喜一
Жыл бұрын
これ以上は望めないほどのあらゆる意味で最上の演奏。素晴らしい!
@franciscomello5419
3 жыл бұрын
Someone once told the great music essayist Neville Cardus "I just can't follow Furtwängler's gestures". Cardus's reply: "Neither do I, but the Berliners surely do".
@samjebisha8223
2 күн бұрын
The best conductor there was there is and there ever will be Das grobtinger derektorie maestro Wilhelm futwrangler
@jcilwcw
5 ай бұрын
True artist like Furtwangler comes once in a life time, few and far in between. I feel as if it was Brahms conducting himself. No other conductor can get closer to the composer's mind than Furtwangler.
@davidrmoran
6 жыл бұрын
I am not quite seeing what's so chaotic about his stick; his pulse sense and conveyance of same look fine, and we have all seen way worse than this. The synch is off a bit, which doesn't help. Quite the music digging, yes, getting everyone to dig as well, bigtime.
@jhb134
11 жыл бұрын
Edwin: (grandson) - Are you aware that there's still, a Society, in France ... that concerns itself with Wilhelm F's legacy? There was an American (Society) also, but it has been relinquished; I have many of it's Newsletters.
@changjiang001
15 жыл бұрын
the greatest conductor ever.
@edospeaks5123
3 жыл бұрын
You can do different. You can not do better. Absolutely astonishing.
@bulboflight
18 жыл бұрын
wow, amazing. If i was watching a video that was this old i would say "eww this is so old" but for some reason, this has...vintage :P haha, very nice. Yeah, maybe very very expensive violins.
@StarXGamerEX
13 жыл бұрын
He is an incredible conductor, just like my band teacher said. I mean, the emotion in this song goes from extreme sadness to complete joy. It's just amazing.
@jacobtapianieto9655
2 жыл бұрын
And in the end to madness and tragedy, I think.
@Methilde
9 ай бұрын
Not a song, a symphonie please.
@jefolson6989
Ай бұрын
He said a conductor should not beat time , but draw the shape of the music in the air.
@lolmanerik
16 жыл бұрын
Greatest ever. Berlin + Furtwängler. So epic. So big. So warm. So human.
@efghabcd4126
7 жыл бұрын
この曲はフルトヴェングラーが一番いい
@maxlorenz24
15 жыл бұрын
You are right. I think Furtwangler made the musicians to play "in state of Grace". He himself was probably in extasis most of the time on stage, I guess...
@germanchris4440
6 ай бұрын
Demonic.
@blueheart26
12 жыл бұрын
Kleiber better than Karajan?! Oh dear........
@paulostroff99
17 жыл бұрын
Tremendously exciting playing and conducting.
@emtube9298
14 жыл бұрын
Absolutely incandescent. A brilliant shining spirit.
@scottgiles
12 жыл бұрын
Astonishingly exciting. Really, I've never, never heard this done better!
@ransomcoates546
4 жыл бұрын
Are there interviews of musicians who played under him? I'd like to hear how that seemingly supernatural communication of his vision worked.
@chrisfields6618
4 жыл бұрын
There are...sorry but forget where...remember though one of them saying, "He had it in him."
@tristan0823
13 жыл бұрын
何と言う集中、熱狂。リハーサルってことが信じられない。 凄い!
@Methilde
9 ай бұрын
Amazing orchestra too
@MegaClassicguy
11 жыл бұрын
John Ardoin has reported the following discussion he has had with Maria Callas in August 1968 after having listened to Beethoven's Eight with the Cleveland orchestra conducted by George Szell:
@michaeloneill9020
6 жыл бұрын
Curious what your thoughts on Szell are. Coincidentally, I thought Szell's Beethoven 8 was the finest 8 I have ever heard, particularly the 3rd movement.
@HamzaBaqoushi
Жыл бұрын
شكرا جزيلا
@MrGer2295
7 жыл бұрын
Wonderful ! Thank you so much !
@kristjan.v
16 жыл бұрын
This the best Brahms I have ever heard...
@10vutrandung69
7 жыл бұрын
from 0:00 to 0:03 Wilhem Furtwrangler just like :"quiet! you fools! we are RECORDING!! and pay attention to the music." ( the way he waves the hands , I just burst out laughing)
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