Ork players: "Wait, you guys don't completely turn every mini inside out until its feet are bullets and its arse is a combat helmet? Follow the instructions? Huh..."
@Dwarficus
3 жыл бұрын
"'ere, boss, wot are instructions???"
@Ericobioas
3 жыл бұрын
Monopose boyz are the best shoota Boyz I ever built...
@sebastianhovenas272
3 жыл бұрын
The multipart ork kits like the ork boyz are the best Not only because you get options, but also because they are compatable with other ork kits. They are both easy and a joy to kitbash, convert and customise. The same can not be said for the new buggies that we got. Grumble grumble...
@chaosgrunt9554
3 жыл бұрын
@@sebastianhovenas272 I am also scared that if they release new boyz or nobz, we will get kits like the blood bowl orks where all the bits only fit together one way (like the primaris but worse as the heads on the bloodbowl models are fixed to the shoulders. it would make converting a LOT harder.
@luckiller019
3 жыл бұрын
Every model is an orc model, if you kitbash hard enough
@tuffn00gies
3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more. I only wish all the factions got even half the attention that Marines do. Imagine what Eldar would look like if they got the same love that Necrons did for Indomitus.
@Dwarficus
3 жыл бұрын
just a shame Necron players had to wait since 4th edition to get this love. But if GW did put in the same effort with the pointed-eared pounces (sorry, excuse the dwarf in me) then the Eldar range could be amazing. I remember looking at the Eldar models circa 3rd edition and thinking they were awesome for the time, also a shame that some of those 3rd ed models are still the range (some of the pheonix lords, I believe).
@andiwandfahren7876
3 жыл бұрын
All in due Time. The Omnissiah works in encypted paths.
@CatherinePuce
3 жыл бұрын
True some model are almost as old that me. The warrior aspect units sure deserve a new look.
@F4ngel
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely, with all the money gw are making they should assign departments to armies. Like an orc department who deals with all lore and scults to do with orcs, etc, and have an overall lore department to tie it all together.
@norbertkarmacsi7093
3 жыл бұрын
@@F4ngel oh no, not an ork department
@nova3k
3 жыл бұрын
I've always said this: Don't let monopose get in the way of reposing.
@richardbradley2335
3 жыл бұрын
You said in 13 words i was going to say in 37 !!!!
@lokalnyork
3 жыл бұрын
GW: produces monopose horde models Space Ork in me: *DA DOK IS IN!!!!*
@nofuxgivens2797
3 жыл бұрын
100% when I started we chopped up metal minis with lack of proper tools and suffering traumatizing x acto blade cuts we sealed with super glue and electrical tape. Hobbyists of our generation laugh at the plastic obstacles of monopose.
@katsungchan3599
3 жыл бұрын
I also hack up the modular Bezerkers. No one is the same in my army
@kamerionsmith4551
3 жыл бұрын
way easier said than done unless youre a master at scupting with greenstuff.
@Pegwarmers
3 жыл бұрын
I miss getting complete extra weapons. Marines used to come with weapons sprues so you could stick extra guns on peoples belts or bases. Now most guns are part of someone's arm so even if you cut them off they are missing handles.
@wooders2206
3 жыл бұрын
This I will actually agree with. I wish each kit came with a few bolters without hands and arms attached
@BarringtonDailey
3 жыл бұрын
The problem was they did not come with the weapons you NEEDED. One Plasma gun, really?
@Gripen1974
2 жыл бұрын
@@BarringtonDailey We had special weapon sprues back the days so 1 plasma, 1 melta, 1 flamer come with a tactical marine squad, problem was we only got a missile launcher and te sgt could only shift his pistols betwen bolt pistol, handflamer, plasma pistol and his melee weapon was was almost allways a chaisnword if you didnt had spare sprues from some assault marines but with those sprues could you get akimbo plasma pistols and shit. the later wasnt legal by the rules but cool as fuck.
@Md-4c
3 жыл бұрын
For me, I prefer modular as they are much easier to kitbash with other kits
@truerobloxian9332
3 жыл бұрын
I miss the modular chaos marine kits.
@RagDollRat
3 жыл бұрын
also modular is easily pinable for sub assembly painting, the kits that fit like jigsaw puzzles cant be sub assemble painted
@souledgar
3 жыл бұрын
@@RagDollRat hard disagree. Plenty of people have been painting characters and monopose jigsaw models in sub assemblies. Heck, with some of them (void dragon, or even pri. captain with shield) it’s practically mandatory!
@christopherschlegel6412
3 жыл бұрын
For quick conversions I agree, but for something truly epic having the wider range of angles hybrid/monopose provides is even better as that may be a joint you won't have to green stuff
@ricoqwertz123
3 жыл бұрын
@sam exactly what I thought also!
@roaringlaughter3812
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing! i repeat nothing, in the hands of a kitbasher is monopose. This is the way.
@timandshannon03
3 жыл бұрын
This is the way...............
@FactThis
3 жыл бұрын
I think the main issue with the newer mono-pose kits people dislike is the lack of options and customisation. While the older kits were less pretty, at least you had more flexibility in how they were equipped, and kit-bashing without intense modelling was an option. Units felt more customised and personalised. But nowadays they're carbon copies of each other. All the new Space Marine Captains look the same and have the same gear, for example. But the older plastic kit had a ton of different options and parts could swapped with other Space Marine (or Chaos Space Marine) kits, making a unique, personally tailored captain different from all your mates.
@Adlore
3 жыл бұрын
@@jesterprince4949 he's talking about weapon options. Old marine captain's can be equipped with a bunch of weapons, a jetpack and even a bike if you have a spare one. Current primaris kits don't come with any bits to support this, or the option to in competitive play. Tactical marine squads contain way more bits than primaris intercessors, more weapon options etc.
@FactThis
3 жыл бұрын
@@jesterprince4949 It's not the poses I'm talking about, it's variety. There are options in the Primaris kits but they are generally quite limited. When comparing the Tactical Marine and Intercessor kits, the Tactical Marines have far more equipment and weapon options, plus there are more visible differences between the helmets, legs, chest plates, and so on. 'Beakies' are a good example of this. Primaris kits tend to take on a very clone-like appearance because their armour and wargear is all exactly the same. The lack of options for single-model kits is a bigger problem, however (the Captain being a good example). At the very least a choice of head and weapon would be nice, but most of the newer kits can only be assembled one way and each one is a exact double of every other. While modelling conversions can still be done with the new mono-pose kits, it takes more effort and skill because of the way they're built.
@01oo011
3 жыл бұрын
@@jesterprince4949 well that’s disingenuous AF.
@cole8834
3 жыл бұрын
@@FactThis Well... I hate to say it, but space marine flexibility makes them too OP. They're already the most flexible army in terms of unit choice, and then adding tons of flexibility for each unit? It's obvious they're gonna phase out firstborn sometime in the future. And primaris taking on a "clone" appearance; I just buy oldmarine helmets and spice them up w/ primaris like the black templars in the video.
@RocketHarry865
3 жыл бұрын
@@cole8834 We need a paradox free backwards travelling capable time machine to fix everything
@Marconius6
3 жыл бұрын
My first army is T'au, where all the infantry have has separate arms, legs and torso. The arms and legs are in fixed positions, but you can combine and angle them freely. They're great fun to assemble, and you get pretty unique models you can make up little stories for. Then I got some Sisters... very disappointed to see that the extent of customization was basically swapping arms out for different weapons, and heads. Poses all fixed, you pretty much get what's on the box. Anytime you see someone else post a picture of their minis, they look the exact same as yours. They're still cool models, but it's just kind of disappointing... Seeing the same Bladeguard or Necron dude a million times also makes me lose any eagerness to get them myself.
@mata218
3 жыл бұрын
It was the opposite for me when I went from Space Marines and Tau to Sisters of battle. The sisters just felt so much more dynamic than the pretty stiff multipose options.
@Schmaglow
3 жыл бұрын
My first ever model was a Fire Warrior back in 5e, of which I swapped its left arm for a kroot arm with blade (among other things), and then painted up like a desert trooper from Star Wars. Still some of my favorite kits today.
@daggerfly0087
2 жыл бұрын
Tau were my first real army aswell, u may have messed up the arm to gun combos, but I did end up with an interesting group of path finders, and my first real character, then the mini went missing for a bit and I then made a new one, but then I found it again, so now I have to turn that old version of the character to a new one
@ChampionofTerra
3 жыл бұрын
what we lack are options in the boxes. I say more different head options, special weapons (this in particular for primaris) and more different icons and emblems for customizations.
@sportyeight7769
3 жыл бұрын
Getting hard to get plastic left overs for conversions
@Zakading
3 жыл бұрын
Really hoping they'll at some point release a new wave of chapter-specific upgrade kits, like the old Black Templar one or the Crimson Fists.
@zid_just_zid
3 жыл бұрын
"what we lack are options in the boxes." id actually say its more of an issues that the options are missing from the rules, back in the day models would often have options in the rules that didnt come in the box and while getting the right bits was sometimes a little annoying you could get the loadout you wanted instead of being locked into a monobuild, as well as monopose.
@aaronbrown4275
3 жыл бұрын
And I'm over here remembering when nearly all GW minis came as mono-pose metal lumps and AT BEST you might be given the choice of a few guns to stick in their hand.
@Mag7Music
3 жыл бұрын
The good old days, when the expensive stuff was metal and the weight alone made you feel like you were getting more for your money.
@ScooterinAB
3 жыл бұрын
I played in those days too. But then we got better models. And now the hobby is taking a step back.
@dekai7992
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, I don't miss those days. Converting those chunks of solid metal was a nightmare. Now, you can build those monopose models and then back them up and customise them, and all that is much easier done with plastic models.
@Sapiensiate
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Back when you'd spend all weekend trying to do one headswap. Hell, I'm still trying to get my great eagle wings to stick to the body!
@Mag7Music
3 жыл бұрын
Oh no no. We don't do head swaps. Don't mess with perfection. I hate seeing old metal models hacked about. Plastic I don't really mind because there's something inherently disposable about it anyway.
@nicolastousignant9160
3 жыл бұрын
Considering all the kits of mainline gw are plastic, the idea that we are stuck with models as designed is ludicrous to me. I have replaced spear shafts with brass rod on metal models, i have reposed, resculpted and chopped them up with jeweler saws. Let me tell you that what i could do in a day, i often can do in minutes now with the plastic kits.... and with much simpler tools.
@JenxRodwell
3 жыл бұрын
A hundred times this right here! Metal miniatures can be hell to kitbash or convert, but people still do it. Plastic is an absolute breeze. As long as the miniature is made out of plastic, no miniature is truly "mono pose" as everything and anything can be broken apart easily and put back together with just a bit of trimming, glue and potentially epoxy putty. And for the people crying about "Creativit!" that's...what you are presumably doing already anyway.
@samsowden
3 жыл бұрын
The trouble is that the modern poses are much more dynamic than the older ones, and thus the individual pieces can't be easily segregated and put together in a different way without looking strange.
@cspo
3 жыл бұрын
this.
@nicolastousignant9160
3 жыл бұрын
@@samsowden i haven't found poses to be so much of a problem than over 'ornamentation'. Stuff like plague marines require to much resculpting to be easily used as anything but their intended purpose, for example. Anything with a clearly defined base morphology i find reasonably easy to tinker with. That being said, there is something to be lamented about the loss of modularity. The ease with which you could combine imperial guard and bretonian men at arms or empire state troops meant having a force that was uniquely your was pretty much at anybody reach. And if your combo did not pan out as planned you likely had not ruined any models to find out.
@johnwotek3816
3 жыл бұрын
@@nicolastousignant9160 yeah, plastic is cool, you can work it, monopose or multipose, but monopose still pose some problem: -You need to know what you're doing. Many people with less experience, steady hands, etc, won't even try to do anything to a monopose, from fear of simply fucking it up. Thus their only custom option will be what paint they want to applie. Multipose kit offer are way better for newcomers. -You get more stuff into the multipose kit. Monopose kit, you have your minies, you built, that's it, there is nothing left. Multipose kit, you have tons of bits left, that you can use for kitbashing, resselling, etc... those bits will also allow people with less experience to experimente without fear of fucking everything up. Oh, you fucked up that head? There you go, you still have three spare left. -That's also more interesting financialy. Like I said, you can ressel the bits you don't wan't, while I don't see many people buying a gutted monopose. Also, the simple fact you get leftover part means you'll need to buys way less stuff to custom your minies. Want a plasma rifle on that monopose SM? To bad, you'll have to buy an another box for that. Want a plasma rifle in you multipose? You either have it already in the box, or laying around from previous kit.
@FrogEnjoyer17
3 жыл бұрын
I think it depends, big impressive models should be monopose to look as good as possible while smaller ones you have more of should be variable to give them as much individuality as possible
@jamescameron-clarke2560
3 жыл бұрын
I'd like more options with characters, to be honest. Firstborn captains for example, get base stats and then loads of options - add a power weapon, fancy pistol, jump-pack. The new Primaris captain gets some options (though no model outside the single loadout in Indomitus yet), but the Gravis, Phobos, and the captain with the Heavy Bolt Rifle are just one and done. More of a rules gripe at this point though... Either way, the sculpts are undeniably sharper, we lose relatively little in the way of posing, and with the kits being plastic, if you do want to go for it you'll have a much better time than when half of your army was monopose single cast pewter models. 3D printers are another way you can seriously alter your kits, I'm planning on printing copious numbers of bits for my Templars.
@mrk2210
3 жыл бұрын
The problem is due to GW's "no rules unless it's an option in the kit" policy, it isn't just a rules gripe. And sometimes GW puts out a character sculpt with literally only one set of options when previous versions of the kit and/or rules had a huge number of multiple wargear options(the Autarch springs to mind instantly).
@princessdamian2860
3 жыл бұрын
The golden age of 40K was Rouge Trader played as a RPG. Whats a mini? :D
@heavy_titan9968
3 жыл бұрын
Always preferred the rouge trader designs even if they do look abit odd
@JasonM69
3 жыл бұрын
2nd edition, at least for tyranids.
@lt.branwulfram4794
3 жыл бұрын
@@heavy_titan9968 don’t you just love when the word rogue becomes the french word for red?
@marcwittkowski5146
3 жыл бұрын
Well put. I do disagree on some points, but overall your analysis was quite good. However, I do prefer having the option to combine different kits and their best bits to build a model I really love and that perfectly represents the idea that formed in my head. And those monopose/ hybrid models usually don't allow for that to happen. At least not without serious effort.
@aidanquiett668
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite part of 40k is the ability to throw together a squad of tactical marines together with whatever weapons or accessories I want right out of the box. Now with the new primaris stuff, almost all of that seems to be taken away, even in their new supposedly modular models
@marcwittkowski5146
3 жыл бұрын
@@aidanquiett668 I wholeheartedly agree. In addition to that, I really dislike the lore and overall design of Primaris.
@StoneColdSteel
3 жыл бұрын
You are like the Miniatures Moderate, it doesn’t matter what you talk about you always thing of both sides and find a reasonable middle ground, love the channel and all the content
@EonsOfBattle
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!!!
@6Stevo
3 жыл бұрын
I am a lover of modular kits over monopose peronally. But i do feel these intricate monopose kits do also have a place. Especially when it comes to characters. Great video. A topic that has been at the forefront for me lately. Very interesting points you make.
@therealwinston3634
3 жыл бұрын
J.J. Abrahams Reboot? this isn't really positive
@maxbrandt6
3 жыл бұрын
No one is a fan of JJ Abrams' movies, just the ones he rips off!
@Ericobioas
3 жыл бұрын
This monopose legs/body with modular arms, head and accessories sound to as the perfect blend. Other companie did it for great effect, and most of the time the waist joint have just one or two "not odd" positions. To be fair: many of my space wolves look a little odd in the waist.
@lt.branwulfram4794
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the only modular kit I’ve had experience with, because I’m relatively new to the hobby (started in October 2020) and most of my stuff is Primaris Raven Guard, is the Drukhari Kaballite Warriors and I can say, the angle of my banner holding Sybarite is looking a bit weird.
@Basedweaboo
3 жыл бұрын
If I got a tactical marine box, sternguard veteran and assault marines I had a lot of combination. I think newer kits lack that to some extent it's not impossible just a bit harder imo
@thejmax
3 жыл бұрын
Turning my head to the left to look at my old (yet trustworthy) SM from the 90s, monopose AF, with the push in bolter across the chest. Turning my head to the right, looking at my freshly painted Primaris intercessors. WTF are these guys on about... If these new kits are monopose, bring some more please.... Ps: also, so many spare bits on the new kits... Bits = Good, bits = life
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573
3 жыл бұрын
The tactical marines are crappy kit and a poor excuse for modular kits. Compare them to the Space Wolves pack kit where you make about a dozen or so different units with maybe the addition of some upgrade packs like jump packs or upgrade sprues. I made almost all my characters from the Space Wolk pack and I still had enough bits to make other bland units like primaris interecersors unique.
@thejmax
3 жыл бұрын
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 man, I am not saying that it's the best in the world either. But like the author of the video was saying, it's quite a nice evolution, and we started from faaaaaaar away. I don't know when you started the hobby, but compared to the assembly line Space Marines from back then, there is no denying that it is a clear improvement. Can it be even better? Sure. But it's also good to acknowledge that things are on the right track. Personally I used the Dark Angels Primaris kit and am very happy with it. They really look cool, albeit a pain in the butt to assemble. Just my 2 cents.
@nathanieltschritter341
3 жыл бұрын
I only dislike monopose models for 1 reason. I KANT LOOT DA FLASHY BITZ AS EZLY!
@phoenixheart79
3 жыл бұрын
This is the single best criticism of hybrid/monopose kits.
@Artemion94
3 жыл бұрын
As someone new to the hobby, the primaris look way cooler than all the rest of the models and I'm literally just wanting all the other factions to have this done to them already so I can feel good about buying something less basic than marines or necrons.
@Sceadusawol
3 жыл бұрын
"The good old days" ...Do people even think about the models of the early 1990s?
@maxbrandt6
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, there is the subculture to the hobby called "Oldhammer" where OG gamers seek out those old skool minis they fondly remember and repaint them to better standards and then show them off igniting a wave of nostalgia for other Oldhammer fans. I'm currently painting up some 1st edition Eldar warriors and even some RTB01 Space Marines just for the fun of it since I remember those when I first got into the hobby back in 1990!
@Gorketh
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, sure do. I love the old metal minis.
@Sceadusawol
3 жыл бұрын
Remember the old Epic Eldar Knights? Prior to everything getting upscaled, I thought they would make great "counts as" Wraithguard for a "normal" 40K army.
@johnashley-smith4987
3 жыл бұрын
Snipe and Wib videos on the history of 40k's evolution got me to dig out a bunch of Rogue Trader metal marines and " do a decent job" exactly what you say! I've been having a blast with these old lumps of lead. They have so much more character than the undeniably beautiful current miniatures IMO. Monopose? Is there any other way they come?
@coldire1016
3 жыл бұрын
Really great discussion, i too have noticed the quality of the miniatures improve. I remember the space orks :D
@minishaw280
3 жыл бұрын
I actually love the space ork designs over the new ones
@jamestaylor3805
3 жыл бұрын
Ummm, they've ALWAYS released a huge percentage of monopose models since day one. My Orks back in the day had like two damned grot models in the whole thing. These people are insane.
@HighlyImprobableName
3 жыл бұрын
2nd Ed here with something like 80 of the single piece grot with auto rifle.
@jamestaylor3805
3 жыл бұрын
@@HighlyImprobableName like 40 per starter box that you split with a friend... yeah... same same.
@LopsidedMoz
3 жыл бұрын
@@HighlyImprobableName Those are my only gretchins, I give them each a unique paint job to compensate
@morrisonnolan1745
3 жыл бұрын
My only quibble is that new figures that feel like they should be hybrids are some times monopose, like the various generic sm hqs or the new slaves to darkness start collecting which is entirely mono pose save for head choice and weapon option on the knights (but not warriors)
@mrk2210
3 жыл бұрын
Those STD kits might be getting a full release with more options soon. I saw a teaser somewhere for the next Warhammer Preview this weekend of what clearly looked like a Chaos Warrior.
@morrisonnolan1745
3 жыл бұрын
@@mrk2210 I would like it if that were the case, but the hand position on that teaser leads me to believe it's a character model
@mrk2210
3 жыл бұрын
@@morrisonnolan1745 The one from today, that looks like Sigvald? Cause that one is different than the one I'm referring to. This one clearly looked like a Chaos Warrior with a Lizardmen cloak, just like the various fur/scale cloaks the current kit has.
@morrisonnolan1745
3 жыл бұрын
@@mrk2210 we're talking about the same figure, the way the hand is resting on the body makes it look like one piece, which makes me think monopose character model, but we'll find out tomorrow
@mrk2210
3 жыл бұрын
@@morrisonnolan1745 Hmmm I didn't really notice the hand I was more focused on the armor and cloak, but I suppose you might be right we're well overdue for new Exalted Champions, and a new Chaos Lord to go with the new Warriors would make sense as well. But yeah we'll see what happens tomorrow. Either way it seems like this is looking to be a pretty major Preview.
@imminentgusta1563
3 жыл бұрын
"The only constant in the Universe is change." Tzeench; Laughs in 'Just as planed'
@LopsidedMoz
3 жыл бұрын
tzeenctch is the dark god of change though
@Spacefrisian
3 жыл бұрын
I feel very rebellious everytime i change a monopose model into something else.
@duerf5826
3 жыл бұрын
It's irrelevant whether it's monopose or multipose, it's all about the design. The tactical marine kit may offer multi-posing options but at the end of the day the models still look like ass because of how outdated mold is.
@bageldrone
3 жыл бұрын
Monopose all thew way. multipose leads to most peoples marines looking down at their shoelaces because they cant build them properly.
@mintyfreshdeath
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has just recently got into the hobby, I’ve been very thankful for the Sisters of Battle box that I found. I’m starting to understand why I’d like more options in the future, but having it be relatively simple at first has made it easier for me to eventually take the deep dive.
@EricsHobbyWorkshop
3 жыл бұрын
You best start believing in golden ages ... *you’re in one*
@EonsOfBattle
3 жыл бұрын
YOOOOOO Love your videos!
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573
3 жыл бұрын
Shit it's only going to get worst for my wolves. Calling it now, we'll be at most a single page in Codex:Space Marines in 10th edition
@EonsOfBattle
3 жыл бұрын
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 nahhh in 10th edition space wolves will have tones of unique primaris units, I bet they double down on wolves and wolfen.
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573
3 жыл бұрын
@@EonsOfBattle after the Saga of theBeast, hounds of Morkai, and supplement disaster; i highly doubt. Rather have my unique and fluffy firstborn marines be actually decent than crappy reiver knock offs or absolutely broken unit that no one wants to play against without a serious handicap.
@EonsOfBattle
3 жыл бұрын
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 I think all chapters will get lots of love, in the last 3 years space marines have gotten about 50 releases I doubt in two years GW will say "aaand done" it is true that Primaris are bland right now, but im sure the big guys like space wolves, dark angels and blood angels (and maybe even black templar, fingers crossed) will get plenty of stuff.
@lv100Alice
3 жыл бұрын
the problem i have with multipose marines' is that they are all just holding a gun slightly different. like that guy have a 3% lean on him and i mean sure you could make him hold his Gun higher but then he just looks like he is shaking it because there is coin inside it
@01oo011
3 жыл бұрын
How is that a multipose problem? It’s literally the same with Primaris except you can’t make them lean in any direction without a saw and greenstuff.
@lv100Alice
2 жыл бұрын
@@01oo011 the lean looks amazing compared to the elderly marien trying to hold in a pee
@Renegade666
3 жыл бұрын
monopose make it infinitely harder to convert though, at least with modular kits you didnt need to go hacking into torsos to remove them.
@kriss667
3 жыл бұрын
Reason and logic regarding 40k stuff? Dont go with that to any warhammer forum of facebook group. They will tell you that one sould not seek those qualities in this hobbyverse. Thats a good approach, and i think the hybrids allow for even more creativity, because they push us to do more than change the angle of the torso. And lets be honest, if a person is going to have a problem kitbashing indomitus intercessor, they are probably not the creative one.
@EmbraCraig
3 жыл бұрын
The golden age of poseable models has been much shorter than many of the people shouting about it make out - up until post 2000, most things were still metal and therefore monopose, and the move to plastics was gradual and took a long time to kick in for a lot of armies. Plus, the idea of kitbashing different kits together applies to far fewer armies than people think (space marines, orks... yeah, I’m about out of ones where the option matters now). But then, I’ve always hated having to put together 8 parts to get a single tactical marine, so was never a huge fan of those kits anyway, no matter how cool the idea of all those options was.
@EonsOfBattle
3 жыл бұрын
thats a really good point! from my research it seems modular kits are much more recent than people realize, with 2011 and the release of necron imortals/deathmarks and ork burnaz/lootaz, these dual build kits are really when getting lots of extra bits exploded and became normal. And a-lot of it comes down to space marine players, we get ten times as much as any other faction and it all sucks (according to some players ;)
@the98themperoroftheholybri33
3 жыл бұрын
If you cut the model up then they're no longer monopose
@liomii781
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer modular every day. I love making the poses of each model. Customizing each figure is almost 90% of the fun for me. Edit... I have almost 200 marines. Not one is posed the same as another. I think they look great. Yes I can do all the things you said and a lot more... Primaris don't make me angry, i just don't think they are quite there yet. Yes I think they are too similar. And I do believe they have removed a lot of personality from them. But given time it will be there.
@YOGI-kb9tg
3 жыл бұрын
the old modular kits just look too derpy and unrefined compared to the newer models i dont really care about mono pose or modular i just kitbash nether the less even if they look a bit off they still fit in my army. also im admech most of the comments i see are just all space marines
@liomii781
3 жыл бұрын
@@YOGI-kb9tg Yeah it's a marine issue. Apart from the rather squat position I fine the old marines are way better. And bits suppliers are a godsend no matter what you collect.
@Kosake86
3 жыл бұрын
Ending on a classy note there, I see. Frankly, I wholeheartedly agree. Most people wont build an entire chapter worth of marines. A playable army these days is often enough 2-3 squads and a vehicle or three. You dont need 500 unique poses to do that and the 20 or so variations in the hybrid kits are more than enough to cover for what you need while looking better. A couple of shiny examples of successfull kitbash-conversions of monopose models would have reinforced the message about possible conversions a little bit, but yeah. The models look better now than ever before, conversions require more skill but are still possible, life is good (down in the hobby basement).
@minishaw280
3 жыл бұрын
The awkward moment everyone I know who has a space marine army have 100s apon 100s of marines
@wizzl3dizzle403
3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video. I am just getting into 40k myself after playing heroclix for 5 years. I just assembled my first box which was the indomitus box set. I love the way they look and assembly was not too hard. Even though some poses are not the greatest i feel its easier for new people to get into the hobby when something dosent have a whole crap ton of options.
@TonkarzOfSolSystem
3 жыл бұрын
The advantage of the modular kits isn't just gluing the bits together, it's that you could cut them up and glue them together creatively. That's impossible with so called "monopose" models and much harder with hybrids. This is the primary advantage of modular kits but you've not mentioned it at all for some weird reason. EDIT: OK, I see you glossed over it in 10 seconds with something like "sure it'll be way more difficult and the results will be worse but who cares". All that said, overall I think the direction for modern models is much better than the old days where pretty much anything that wasn't a space marine was metal (I'm exaggerating but not much).
@MrHaicken
3 жыл бұрын
Just found this video, but I agree. A lot of historical plastic minis makers were using the combined body/leg for years before GW went that way. The best of them (e.g. Victrix Limited) use limited bodies with specific options for head and arm swaps. Works great.
@matthewchampagne5501
3 жыл бұрын
"The only constant in the universe is change" Okay Tzeentch
@C454D
3 жыл бұрын
I would say the issue is to do with the loss of cross kit compatibility. Tactical box works with devastator box which works with assault box and so on, but intercessor doesn't work with anything. There is no reason for a set of legs to keyed to a torso and arms. The only reason the old models aren't dynamic is because of the technology of old. You can have an advancing leg pose which would be as swappable as the standing poses. If Primaris kits were like Firstborn kits in terms of interchangability, there wouldn't be an issue. The difference is Hard Clones vs. Soft Clones. Primaris have hard clones and firstborn have soft clones.
@wm3018
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry man I have to disagree, you can hide monopose or hybrid stuff in marines because of their armor, but anything organic or unique it sticks out like a sore thumb, especially those armies that focus on large numbers of models, like DG, nids and GSC. Have a look at poxwalkers they are so unique it hurts and the Death Guard themselves have so much forced detail their "unique " blessings go from cool to looking trash
@clonetf141
3 жыл бұрын
The only reason primaris marines look like the art from the books is because they are so bland. They are as bland as phase 1 clone troopers from attack of the clones. All the same 2 or 3 weapons, all the same helmet, chestplates and youre saying that the previous generations of space marine torsos are hard to tell apart? Are you kidding me? Look man, its cool that youre in love with the basic ass mk10 armour but the vasy majority of 40k fans love the diffrent marks of armour. Infact people love the diffrent marks of power armour so mutch that people have gone out of their way to construct mk1 armour. I myself greatly enjoy mixing and matching various bits from multipule marine kits. Hell youre also flat out disrespecting horus heresy fans because they are a sucker for the diffrences between bolters and marks of power armour. Some 30k fans even use the warm water technique to create even more divesre poses for resin minis. With primaris marines and similar minis with less options its just so bland and boring. Pre primaris an ultramarines force and a space wolves force looked absolutely nothing alike even though they all have the same formula of legs, torso, arms, shoulders and head. Id go as far as to say that more factions need those extra options. Ofcourse not every model has to be super multipose because i think character models such as a techpriest or an ethreal usually look beter with their monopose kits. Id almost accuse you of lieing since you like me enjoy mixing mark 3 with the tactical squad and whatever relevant bits you can get your hands on. The 1 detail i myself love the most about power armour is how almost every mark is able to be mixed and matched in lore. During the horus heresy space marines wore whatever thry can scavange and repair which is how mark 5 was created
@bunkermaster4623
3 жыл бұрын
When I look at your miniatures, they are not really creative. Sorry. Just for example: Use a left hand of a rocket launcher space marine and add to the right hand a chainsword. You get a real nice pose. Its all about mixing, cutting and burning the plastic to the right shape. For this multipose was really great.
@m5twogaming150
3 жыл бұрын
For myself things have kind of gone full circle, when I started in the hobby thirty odd years ago majority of the models were single pose cast lead and the very first multi pose plastic marines had been released. This was back when the very first edition of Warhammer 40,000 Rouge Trader was released. I think if we want better looking models then options and poses will have to be more limited which is a shame but something I willing to accept for the time being as Games Workshop could always decide at some point to change direction again in their design process or find a middle ground between the two in the future .
@ric1194
2 жыл бұрын
Monopose are better, no fucking around spending days worrying about what weapons you want. Also, the paints are what matter for uniqueness, no cares if your little man's head is slightly turned compared to mine from 2 feet away while playing.
@jarcuadanantus28
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like some mono-pose-ness is still B.S. like necron skorpekh destroys having their arms molded to their torsos. It’s a simple ball and socket joint. Having them separate and not fused would give me a LOT more options, and I want more than 3. I even ended up hacking up my second batch of them and made cooler poses than the intended ones.
@CorpCoral
Жыл бұрын
Ehh...idk i get More enjoyment from something i have built differently than something that is just monopose
@KickassPig
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t really know. It is a subjectice topic. I think that GW could have went all out modular and it would still look good. The technology is there and you can’t really compare new models to the old. GW today produce both modular and mono pose miniatures and they come in all shapes and forms. You can’t really tell them apart. Of course there is some up and downsides to both mono and modular, and I think I prefer the modular and semi modular kits only because they are easier to convert. But there is not that big of a differnence
@theibault
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I prefer monopose.
@theycallmepiccolo9985
3 жыл бұрын
Monopose makes you get more creative for kitbashing witch is a good thing 🤷♂️
@theycallmepiccolo9985
3 жыл бұрын
@Naught to break but Our chains rule of cool and y not. Miss me with power gaming 🤷♂️
@ibrahamgauntseminario2948
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Piccolo
@theycallmepiccolo9985
3 жыл бұрын
@Naught to break but Our chains yeaa i feel that primaris rn are less diverse on what they can take but in due time id imagine theyed be able to take 1st borne wargear n more
@theycallmepiccolo9985
3 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahamgauntseminario2948 😐🖐
@dlar321
2 жыл бұрын
Um any model is multipose when you break out the exacto knife, green stuff and plastic glue!
@Nevets1073
3 жыл бұрын
I am really glad I watched this. I've been playing 40K since 87-88. I would like to add that even the original kits like RTB01 Space Marines or the Imperial Guard/Squats/Ork kits were all hybrid kits like you describe. To me, GW has tried hard to be both a competitive company and give good product to its customers. I really liked how you wrapped this video up. That kind of insight, that we don't want to rain on someone else's golden age, that's something that's truly valuable. I belong to several groups that focus on 1st and 2nd edition and there are a lot of people there who could benefit from that kind of insight. Thanks again.
@sirchaps8489
3 жыл бұрын
i got only mono pose marines cuz i buy them cheap old space marines from ebay xD 9 same lookin marines + 1 sargent
@Stuffandstuff974
3 жыл бұрын
Are you trying to compete with Goobertown Hobbies for most fabulous hair?
@PeninsulaPaintingProjects
3 жыл бұрын
Can’t agree more mate I collect space Wolves and the amount of head swaps and arm pads I’ve done make them more unique to my army
@bocktordaytona5656
3 жыл бұрын
Im a kind of weird person in this case i love old marines and New ones and even the (heroes ones ) "they are the old ones but well posed", the only thing i dont really like so much are the marine tanks, because the old tracked rinos and landraiders looks more ww1/space grimdark thant the new floating tonks but its just personal, in fact i love the new direction of gw, and i love how they still keep the old models "usable" in game with new monopose models. Yep they are a company but they are also nerds (like us) and known their heritage and i love how they preserve it, as well they try to keep evolving it.
@nitroglysarine
3 жыл бұрын
I started off disagreeing with you, but dammit, I agreed with you by the end
@dnaseb9214
2 жыл бұрын
I dont like multipose, they always break Hybrids are best
@OMGisTHATmrTHAYER
3 жыл бұрын
Subbing simply because you made fun of the people who cry about minis.
@L3GHO5T
3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao man when you slid the money across the table and had the single model in the drug bag made me laugh my ass off.
@ДокторКондраки
3 жыл бұрын
Miniatures of space Marines, similar images of space Marines, not so much because of the improvement of the sculpture, but because of the fact that the new art just draw miniatures
@internetman1213
3 жыл бұрын
Lol, that’s a funny idea, but I’m sure the art team is talented enough to not trace / copy the minis one for one
@internetman1213
3 жыл бұрын
@Naught to break but Our chains if you can give me an example of tracing in GWs illustrations, I’ll highly doubt that assumption. No doubt management wants artist to paint characters from their games that look very similar to the minis, but tracing the weird proportions of the minis is only asking for failure and more work to make them look natural. The only art works that I know use miniatures for their art is forge world / Horus heresy since it’s suppose to look like “real life” war time photography rather than book illustrations. HH / FW is a mixture of photography, photo-bashing, and maybe some drawing to clean it up. Even now FW / HH are using illustrations plus the photography style pictures.
@konigstiger3017
3 жыл бұрын
Good video, but not a fan of the stab at the Outer Circle. People can be open to whatever opinion they want, regardless of whether you agree or disagree. There are things he says I dont agree with, but its never the solution to have a go at them if you disagree. Otherwise, good analysis of GW's range :)
@internetman1213
3 жыл бұрын
Good I’m not the only one who noticed. Lol, I was like, “AHHHH! He did the reference.” I laughed
@nova3k
3 жыл бұрын
The models dont match the art. Instead the art now matches the models. This is a step back. I am inspired by the old artwork, but the new artwork is just bland and vanilla. Also i hate primaris.
@Hepabytes
3 жыл бұрын
Remember wargear and special weapons? Me niether.
@hi-gh6iu
3 жыл бұрын
Assault on black beach best starter set by far, the orks r dope asf
@c0horst
3 жыл бұрын
I just built 12 Skorpekh Destroyers... with only 3 mono poses, they look very repetitive:(
@JayJapanB
3 жыл бұрын
They don't look too hard to repose. You could probably still cut them up. They definitely should have been more multipart though.
@greedo-diedforusall
3 жыл бұрын
Great video But please BLINK!
@oliverstarkey8676
3 жыл бұрын
I dont have any problems with customising any model even mono posted because of the 20k point army of space marine spare bits i have left over
@nickster5207
3 жыл бұрын
Multipose is one of the reasons I prefer old school marines over primaris. That and the customizability.
@whyarenamessohardtocomeupw2916
3 жыл бұрын
When you showed the hammerfall, i laughed out loud. Ouch
@GDPanda69
3 жыл бұрын
I've really been loving these recent videos. Keep up the good work!
@connorjensen9699
3 жыл бұрын
Infinity and warmachine both put out kickass models without any serious modularity
@connorjensen9699
3 жыл бұрын
@Вхламинго Warmachine has actually got pretty decent overlap in model count on the table these days with GW, though I agree that they are on average smaller games, and I also agree that infinity is a much smaller size battle. However any infinity model that’s not completely ancient is as good or usually head and shoulders better than a GW one in terms of detail, posing, and crispness of casting(check out oniwaban shinobu kitsune or blackjack 10th heavy ranger battalion for example). The only thing else really to compare is aesthetic design which is of course subjective, and they have very different design goals for each. I do agree that most Warmachine models are objectively less detailed and technically well executed than GW ones, but their more recent ones are pretty fantastic (check out High Exemplar Cyrenia for example).
@tramico96
3 жыл бұрын
"The Exterior Ring"...AH...I see what you did there! The Salt Must Flow! Amazing Video, has always!
@internetman1213
3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was funny! I do like them tho
@tramico96
3 жыл бұрын
@@internetman1213 Got a chuckle out of me when I realized it. It is fun banter.
@Grunilg
3 жыл бұрын
*laughs in Tau Battlesuits*
@bebe3mlo
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best kit so far was the empire Milicia, later used for mordheim. Best box EVER
@urthofthenewsun8465
3 жыл бұрын
I agree, there’s a reason why the best Warhammer Instagrams still use this kit. Multi-part kits add so much freedom, people are still coming up with new combinations to this day. My favourite kit is Bretonnian Men-at-Arms.
@whyarenamessohardtocomeupw2916
3 жыл бұрын
I started 40k in 8th edition, so to me, Primaris stuff is crazy cool and what i like to collect. I think the kits are poseable enough, and while i do look back sometimes in wonderment at the sheer interchangeability of the old space marine range, I still like the finished product of the Primaris better.
@th3d3liv3ryman6
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t care how it’s built. as long as it looks cool
@FistAndStone
3 жыл бұрын
Well thought out and well put. Enjoy the hobby, it's amazing to be getting these awesome sculpts at this time. And since they're plastic, it's pretty easy to customize if you really want to!
@balkenkreuz2063
3 жыл бұрын
This of course, is the way for GW to flip the middle finger to 3rd party companies that sell bits and upgrade kits for your modular models.
@EonsOfBattle
3 жыл бұрын
its funny though because now there are more 3rd party companies than EVER before! sure custom torsos will only fit on tactical marines, but weapons, heads, shoulder pads, backpacks, and decorations are still going strong!
@balkenkreuz2063
3 жыл бұрын
I am not saying new and better 3rd party companies are popping up everywhere. I am only pointing out that GW multi parts kits are for the hobby marketplace what Harley-Davison is for the biker community and the AR-15 to the gun community. Just saying.
@grupa2119
3 жыл бұрын
I like monopose, they look effective and you do not have to chop a kit (what can be risky) to achieve similar result. I remember how people whined over GW models being so static, and everyone sought after third party models because they were posted in more interesting way
@ScooterinAB
3 жыл бұрын
And people are still whining about models being too static. That's kind of the problem here.
@ErokLobotomist
3 жыл бұрын
I have to stop watching your videos. I'm getting the overwhelming urge to buy some more minis lol
@EonsOfBattle
3 жыл бұрын
Oh no! What have we done!
@bubger
3 жыл бұрын
"The Exterior Ring" hmmm.... wonder who that might be referring to.
@sebanna2002
3 жыл бұрын
holy indomitus necrons ... I had never followed instructions before building models before ... and holy sh*t should have looked at them before detaching all the necrons warrior from their sprue... I am now trying to find which pair of arms belong to each bodies and weapons ..
@jl94k
3 жыл бұрын
Hmm... Nah! I will still playing with my firstborn.
@gabrielm.942
3 жыл бұрын
I like the Monopose ones. Why? Don’t really play them, so a lot of them I just paint for fun, and as shelf pieces.
@DragonKnight7166
3 жыл бұрын
Sadly Outriders got this treatment. The solo kit has no customization included and is just the Indomitus sprues.
@christopherswindells1237
3 жыл бұрын
Right here! I LOVE the new Outriders - those bikes RAWK! But yeah, having 3 poses gets a little ho-hum. I play Deathwatch, and making models unique is key. There is NO way I'm cutting up the ones from the Indomitus box, but new ones will NEED to be. It would have been SO easy to offer alternate heads and arms for these with the kit, but now I need to make use of bits i have, or sourcing out online. Doable? For sure. Makes me get creative? Yessir! Costly. YES, and that's CRAP. Places asking for 5 dollars for a couple heads or arms and $25 bucks for S&H. Bah.
@Kosake86
3 жыл бұрын
Outriders being a marine kit, you are practically guaranteed to get a kit with options in the future, don't you worry. And then some customization sprues for white scars, raven guard and ultramarines on top.
@Kathdath
3 жыл бұрын
@@christopherswindells1237 bikers were a good example of when we would customise. I think used a stock torso once for an assault bike back when it used metal for the side car.
@johnstrange1109
3 жыл бұрын
I just certain tabs on monopose to make them at least hybrids also older kits like space marines can fit on primaris
@kharn109
3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE how much the model art is improving over time, and I also enjoy the kits you can put together. I think there's room for both!
@sevlow4035
3 жыл бұрын
Saw the outer circle shout out your vid and decided to check you out. Great video
@amg5787
3 жыл бұрын
That’s what brought me here too ha.
@katsungchan3599
3 жыл бұрын
I remember hacking pewter minis to repose them. Back when you can order pewter bits from the Citadel catalogue
@ShameyBaby
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed this myself when building intercessors. Yes there are certain poses you are ‘stuck’ with but the models look so much better than the old tactical marines.
@ScooterinAB
3 жыл бұрын
A new model looks better than a 20 year old model? Does that have to do with the pose, or because you're comparing it to a 20 year old model?
@ShameyBaby
3 жыл бұрын
@@ScooterinAB not sure what your point is? How old a model is doesn’t necessarily have an affect on how good it looks. I think the new Primaris marines look better. That’s my subjective opinion.
@ScooterinAB
3 жыл бұрын
@@ShameyBaby My point is that a brand new model, made with better technology that allows for more detail m is going to better than a 20-25 year old one. You cannot compare a 25 year old model to a new one and then make the argument that this is about the pose of the model. That is not a reasonable comparison nor is it a reasonable argument. The reason an intercessor looks better isn't because it has a monopose, but rather because it isn't a 25 year old model made with a wildly different creation process.
@ShameyBaby
3 жыл бұрын
@@ScooterinAB I humbly disagree. Some of my favourite models GW has made come from years ago. Work by the Perry Brothers is a perfect example. Whether a model is monopose or multi-fit is irrelevant. What’s important to me is how cool is the sculpt. I didn’t say the intercessors were better because they were monopose. I said they were just better looking models. And of course you can compare work from different time periods! People compare artists and musicians who lived in different centuries, let alone decades. Art is art. Yes you can discuss quality of materials or technology available, but good art is good art regardless of how it is made.
@owenhoward5168
3 жыл бұрын
Anybody complaining about monopose Warhammer models has never had to deal with Star Wars Legion.
@SirBuffton
3 жыл бұрын
The quality and variety of the new sculpts is incredible. I started with the 2nd ED Space Marines who gently supported their bolters. These dynamic, action packed poses are awesome. Kitbashers are always gonna kitbash and the third party market is stronger than ever if you want to mix in some more modular minis.
@mb8317
3 жыл бұрын
When I bought my csm just recently I had not been in the hobby for about 3 or 4 years and when I slid those sprues out and looked at them I definitely needed to change my jockeys a couple times lol
@lordlasadies7960
3 жыл бұрын
2:52 The Exterior ring ... I see what you did there I see what you did there XD geart video man !
@AviectusG
3 жыл бұрын
I am kinda new, whats up.with this reference everybody talking about?
@ethanjungbauer1554
3 жыл бұрын
@@AviectusG Its a reference to the outer circle. Another KZitem who dislikes that a lot of primaries kits only have a single weapon option and have stuff like shoulder pads pre attached which limit what you can easily do to make your model unique. Most people define hybrid kits as multi pose
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