I pass all my audio through a high-end DAC before feeding it directly into a wax cylinder so I can get that genuine flapper 1920’s vibe. I wanna hear music the way Thomas Edison *intended* it to be heard.
@nickcarter4006
Жыл бұрын
Buys $30,000 Atmos system…. Streams MP3s from a Plex server
@silverXnoise
Жыл бұрын
@@nickcarter4006You are really not far from the truth in that…although, I do try to take advantage of Plex’s support for FLAC* files. Plex Amp is easily my favorite music streaming app. Simple, functional, supports my extensive personal library of purchased music from the days before digital distro, and really a beautiful UI. \*My phone *really* wanted to autocorrect this to say “flaccid”.
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135
Жыл бұрын
@@silverXnoise so analog?
@silverXnoise
Жыл бұрын
@@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135 Flannelog
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135
Жыл бұрын
@@silverXnoise lol dude
@N8oRMusic
Жыл бұрын
Finally my snare can sound shit in 3D
@EversonBernardes
Жыл бұрын
And you'll have to spend, like, 3x the amount of time needed to get to it sounding like shit! (mine usually takes anywhere between 2 and 5 hours).
@SnareGG
Жыл бұрын
hey!
@nickcarter4006
Жыл бұрын
“Almost there….” *sets track to mono* “…PERFECTION”
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135
Жыл бұрын
@@JBATahoe oh god Forget about having a marching band 🤣😂 no cap
@Chodemunch
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@lateAutumn314
5 ай бұрын
hearing the singer "swirling around your head" must be the dolby atmos equivalence of the 3D movie "this thing flies really close to your face" effect.
@DragoNate
5 ай бұрын
I feel like that'd be a very stressful listening experience lmao Like, I wanna listen to music comfortably, not feeling like I'm in the ocean being circled by sharks
@emporioalnino4670
5 ай бұрын
I hopped on Tidal with my XM4s to see if this spatial audio thing was legit. I tried both Dolby Atmos and Sony 360 Reality Audio. It's like Benn said, there's sound coming from all directions but it feels incoherent and unnecessary, almost as if it was tacked on after the fact by a corpo. I prefer stereo.
@MrStillions
5 ай бұрын
It's fun twice and then gets old. Exactly like 3d movies
@jassykat
5 ай бұрын
it doesn't sound like that at all. It sounds cool.
@LoganT
5 ай бұрын
@@jassykatRight, it’s not like those “8D immersive audios” on KZitem where they pan the the singing voice left and right. When it’s done right, it feels like you’re in the room with them while they’re recording.
@beandon24
Жыл бұрын
By the way, the limit is ACTUALLY 32 channels/objects for any consumer. This is a limitation of data bandwidth over HDMI, you can find it buried deep in the developer docs, but of course this isn’t marketed toward consumers…
@gambitman7158
6 ай бұрын
Couldn't that limit technically be expanded upon by HDMI over Ethernet? Obviously it's not a consumer grade upgrade but I presume it's possible? (This is coming from the background of the limitations of DMX512 [Lighting protocol] being worked around through Ethernet transfer rates. I haven't personally delved deep enough into audio docs to know whether or not that'd be possible. (I know a lot of live theaters run audio out of Ethernet for multiple channels, I'm referring directly to Atmos here)
@MadsterV
6 ай бұрын
@@gambitman7158can you even differentiate between 32 different sound sources simultaneously in your real environment? Most people will track a couple at most. You switch to the important ones. Mixing can group by distance and importance and stay below (way below) the limit.
@MLWJ1993
5 ай бұрын
@MadsterV I can barely do 2... If there's loud music & someone screams something at me I'll be hearing both with no way to differentiate between the 2... I.E. I'm hearing noise 😂
@LexusYachtClub
5 ай бұрын
No but you can differentiate between more than 32 directions in a 3d space.@@MadsterV
@nerfinator03
5 ай бұрын
@@gambitman7158hdmi can carry way more raw data than a cat6 cable can, to test cables, we recently had to purchase a new tester that does 48gbps because our old one only did 40. I believe 48 is for 8k video, if i remember correctly, 60fps 4k at 4:4:4 should be 18gbps, this excludes audio! So yeah, ethernet yes, but maybe with 100gbps fiber transceivers in the not too distant future.
@natskar
5 ай бұрын
Finally someone gets it! Fucking nobody takes me seriously when I say atmos 99.999% of the time is a gimmick. Atmos when done correctly can be incredible for content, but it MUST be produced and sound engineered and have the receiver that can decode it and send the information and then actual physical speakers there to receive that signal. Otherwise you’re kidding yourself that it “sounds better”. I personally have had a much better experience with my 2.0 setup with speakers in the right position (and time alignment if needed) than ANY “atmos” soundbar
@Bthelick
Жыл бұрын
I have 1 foot still in the industry side as a ghost writer, and its getting ridiculous. My gripe is record labels are demanding we spend extra studio sessions prepping atmos stems, at our cost of course, only for the label to then take more of our money (out of the advance) to give it to some upstart that then asks "for screenshots of any reverb settings" so they can produce an atmos mix like wtf. We've had every excuse under the sun including " you can't even get on Apple music without an atmos mix now". And btw, these are pop / edm tracks, its not like they benefit from an immersive sonic experience or have the audience that would appreciate that.
@MischieviousJirachi
Жыл бұрын
That's so annoying wtf 😭
@somethingsoupy
Жыл бұрын
I'm with ya until your last statement. I would argue edm benefits more than most genres of music through Atmos. Just because you don't understand the culture or music, does not give you right to kick dust on it. Also I suggest you do not speak for an audience you are not part of; you're making assumptions you have no way of substatiating, all in frustration for Dolby Atmos.
@Bthelick
Жыл бұрын
@@somethingsoupy speaking of "not having the right to kick dust on it" what on earth gives you the right to assume I don't understand EDM or the culture? It's both by my living and my passion. I've been to all the clubs (most of which sum to mono for good reason), I've taken the drugs, I grew up on rave music in its country of origin the UK, I've engineered, played, written and produced it professionally for over a decade. Instead of making assumptions, all you have to say is "I disagree, here's why" and actually share your opinion on why you think it's a good fit, a debate doesn't have to start by tearing into someone you don't know, just present your counter argument! Having said all that here I'm talking about "pop/EDM" as one genre. I'm talking about commercial chart style tracks with full vocals and a dance beat, not separate genres.
@somethingsoupy
Жыл бұрын
@@Bthelick I was not trying to tear you a new one, but I do disagree and believe what you are stating is untrue. It was my opinion, that you did not understand the culture, because what you said is often stated by jaded 50 year old's that mix the same shit every day, be it in post-production or live sound. Obviously, based on your channel, you are part of the community and it was my mistake for making that assumption. I gave you a subscription, your tutorials are very helpful. I hear what you are saying about Pop/EDM, but Pop is just as effective, imo. When I read EDM, I don't think of chart toppers, I think of the guys with 100-10,000 listeners that are pushing the genre to its limits. Apologies for coming off crass, but I think you were being hypocritical as you were attacking a community and people in it. I only sent that same energy back to you. If you had presented that argument and left out the insults, I would have moved on. It was because I saw someone that could not defend themselves, from a person that seemed ignorant in the moment, that I commented. Have a nice day.
@aaronswede-taillon8373
Жыл бұрын
@@Bthelick oh and you make some of the best track breakdowns and production tutorials I’ve watched.
@spektrograf
Жыл бұрын
"If however you are listening to music makes you happy, you are listening to it perfectly." Truer words never spoken. 🏆👍
@cromagnon305
11 ай бұрын
I discovered this when I cobbled together a sound system out of spare parts and hooked it up in my tool shed. ❤️
@robertschnobert9090
6 ай бұрын
I exclusively use the speaker of my 2015 iPhone SE to listen to music. It's perfect. 🌈 @@cromagnon305
@robertschnobert9090
6 ай бұрын
@@cromagnon305I'm sorry, it's a 2016 smartphone, not 2015 haha 🌈
@chaos.corner
6 ай бұрын
Sometimes I'll crank a low fidelity youtube music video over laptop speakers just for the joy of hearing the song again and I've already heard it in good quality a thousand times anyway.
@richgeminitechie5794
5 ай бұрын
I am absolutely blown away...this "rant" actually justified my impression of any attempt at "immersive" audio.From my first attempt buying Bose Acousstimass speakers system some 30-40 years ago to my present 7.1 Denon AVR and ceiling mounted speakers, that holy grail has yet to be found. In fact, in some ways, it's made listening worse. It not only depends on your gear, etc. but it also depends on specific stations. For example, if I'm listening to an interview of a music celebrity and they change to his/her music, the music gets lost, so I adjust a setting that favors music. It returns to the interview and the audio is so low, I either turn up the volume or got back to settings...sometime both. The moral of the story; good ol' stereo with a subwoofer is good enough for 90% of my listening pleasure without the constant pain in the ass tweaking. Thanks for you brutally honest review.
@Xerain
5 ай бұрын
As the only person I know with any kind of immersive audio (I have mid rang Polk 5.1 set up) I really wish they'd expand the breadth of immersive audio content rather than keep moving the goal posts for the 1 in 1000 people interested in this. It's like they know that with their unsustainable business model based around restrictive licensing will never be main stream, so rather than try for real adoption they keep bleeding the same handful of people until they can't anymore. Listening to music thoughtfully mastered in 5.1 is actually pretty amazing, when you can find it. The problem is there isn't enough of even 5.1 around for most artists to conceive of their music in an immersive way from the beginning.
@semibreve
6 ай бұрын
This level of no nonsense highly technical audio content is what I live for. Great video!
@Wayne_Robinson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this dose of reality. The funniest part is how the Atmos demo on their website uses a deliberately crap stereo mix of the Marvin Gaye song for comparison. I'm sure it's great for a movie theater but I don't live in one. Edit: To answer your question at the end, even if there were no licensing fee premiums associated with Atmos, it doesn't offer much to me.
@lowcostfish
Жыл бұрын
Also, the Dolby Atmos version sounds pretty bad too, just in a more full-bodied way. I actually prefer the crap stereo one.
@bélalugrisi
6 ай бұрын
Saw "One Love" in the theater and thankfully the mix was mostly two channel. The previews were terrible with all that multi-channel crap going on!
@gn2b445
5 ай бұрын
the stereo mix they used was very good I don't know what you're talking about
@michaelkonomos
Жыл бұрын
This is great. I love that you have a contrarian and kind of grumpy vibe going on with things that are good to be grumpy about. Calling out BS is a service to the community. I also love Red Means Recording and Venus Theory for the same reasons.
@94XJ
6 ай бұрын
I have a 7.2.4 setup and my Atmos movie, music and game experience boils down to 10% "that's awesome!" and 90% "that sounds really unnatural and forced."
@alexatkin
6 ай бұрын
Is there any music you actually recommend? I've heard a few 5.1 mixes of music and its always like you said, extremely forced seemingly to show off what they can do, rather than actually add anything to the experience. In fact the only time I've been impressed is using Pro Logic IIz on stereo tracks with exceptionally good dynamic range/sound stage (in other words, very rare), that allows it to perform absolute magic on it for a fully immersive experience.
@dustinbrueggemann1875
5 ай бұрын
@@alexatkin Anything that includes a technology just for the sake of using a new technology is always going to sound gimmicky. There's nothing miraculous that 5.1 or any other multi-speaker system does that you couldn't hypothetically do with a set of headphones and a binaural audio engine.
@jonlaw16
5 ай бұрын
@@dustinbrueggemann1875 That's simply not true. Headphones may pull all the tricks with your ears but cannot fool your sense of touch. Any concert I've ever been to had a tactile experience where you can feel the vibrations in your clothes or in your seat or in your chest. Speakers can recreate this experience unlike headphones. It's my opinion that 2 speakers in a fully acoustically treated room with the correct balance of absorption, diffusion, and reflective surfaces creates the most immersive audio experience.
@DJSoulbrother
5 ай бұрын
@@alexatkin Randomly "Don't worry be happy" is pretty epic in atmos haha, Fleetwood mack albums, The Queen stuff, UB40's Best Of Labour Of Love album, Bob Marley legend album is great, Jamiroquai - cosmic girl, Chaka's - Ain't nobody, Thriller album, Whitney's dance with somebody is randomly pretty epic also. There is a lot nowadays as understandably producers have become better with the change and gotten over the gimmick side of it.
@rev.wilkinsonstalesofmyste9027
5 ай бұрын
@@alexatkin I really like the BluRay copies of the Alan Parsons Project stuff and the DVD-A copies of Stone Temple Pilots "Core", Frank Zappa's Quadiophiliac, and Nine Inch Nails "The Downward Spiral". Those are all pretty solid surround mixed/mastered albums that don't sound incredibly awkward.
@mvsr990
Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid I had a "3D sound" audiobook of Stephen King's The Mist on cassette. That was the peak of immersive audio IMO.
@gorak9000
Жыл бұрын
some of the "binaural" stuff from the 70's is pretty cool - 2 microphones placed on a "fake head" where the ears would be, and you listen to it on headphones. Pretty sure everything else since then is just a gimmick. I only have 2 ear holes where sound goes in - therefore everything you could possibly hear is captured by 2 microphones placed where your ears would be, and 2 speakers later placed where the microphones were.
@gregf9160
Жыл бұрын
I have a digital copy of this. Binaural recording, done right, is astounding.
@jamescarter3196
Жыл бұрын
I've heard a really-good version 'The Mist' which was done like a radio play instead of audiobook. Now I'll be looking for that cassette in secondhand stores.
@Skrenja
Жыл бұрын
@@gorak9000 Yeah, but your ears _aren't_ microphones.
@scytob
6 ай бұрын
Binaural convolution is awesome for things like audio books, radio plays, etc
@odw32
5 ай бұрын
I think as an artist, it's actually a better investment to buy a bunch of
@dustinbrueggemann1875
5 ай бұрын
RIP to the eleven people listening on a real setup though. You should definitely mix on the best thing you have available to you because the artifacts from your crappy speakers will hide the artifacts of the song. If you really have to kludge it, mix on your car speakers since that's going to be the nicest set of speakers most people own, and also probably the real most common way people listen to music.
@sorejack
5 ай бұрын
@@dustinbrueggemann1875 thier is no such thing as a "real" setup. it's all placebo. and techbro.
@Hetsu..
5 ай бұрын
@@dustinbrueggemann1875 If you have a high end source set up, then even the shittiest gear will be transparent enough
@Erowens98
5 ай бұрын
Mix on decent Studio monitors. Then tune it later on more accessible setups.
@David-gp3fd
4 ай бұрын
i mean all you really need to do is add a little more frequencies or saturation to your low end to make sure its audible by anything without a subwoofer or bass extension
@drditup
7 ай бұрын
setting max volume on my phone to hear it through the vacuum cleaner. Yup, probably not the way it was meant to be listened to, but i enjoy music this way.
@werawerlnwerlnrlnelr
4 ай бұрын
Roomba™ audio. Sounds 3D already!
@CricketStyleJ
4 ай бұрын
You're listening the way the vacuum manufacturer intended.
@ffsireallydontcare
5 ай бұрын
Probably the best spatial music experience I've had was Jean-Michel Jarre's Aero, mixed in 5.1 and listened to in my car on a head unit with full surround decoding. Forget the car and road noise (there was plenty), that it was rendered on 4 speakers plus sub, and that I was off-center, the tightness of the timing and the close speakers in the tiny cabin made it immersive. Musically the reason why it worked was because it was JMJ's own vision and not some post-processed "make it sound like it's around you" crap.
@arvindhyuvaraj
Жыл бұрын
As someone who's been in the market for a new sound system, I cannot thank you enough for this video. The last couple of months have been a mental circus of jumping through hoops and realising that in order to get "the perfect sound" for my 4K discs, I'll have to literally change the way my living room is built. That's insane.
@OZKitchen
Жыл бұрын
Yes but tbf if you spend too much time looking up "perfect sound" you'll find people saying you have to rebuild your entire house
@acheleg
6 ай бұрын
With a home theatre system like this, you would still need to keep an old stereo system to enjoy your favorite music
@SamuraiGuy
6 ай бұрын
All I can recommend is getting at least a real 3.1 system. The center channel and sub help a lot, and you don't really need to rearrange your life.
@webby2275
6 ай бұрын
@SamuraiGuy At least get a real receiver. My Denon 1600h can do Atmos, mono, stereo, quad, and basic surround. It's the decision to go with a bespoke solution like a soundbar or home theater in a box that is creating the issue of stereo sound not working well. Not that it's primarily the purchaser at fault here, the marketing for this stuff is manipulative at best. Unfortunately home theater receivers are expensive, but the upside is that you can use any speaker with them and upgrade only some components as desire arises, instead of having to replace it all at once.
@SamuraiGuy
6 ай бұрын
@@webby2275 "real" systems are more expensive, but also take more space and time to learn how to pick parts and put them together. I did put together a system fully utilizing a 960h, and I'm glad I did, but when most people don't care to use anything more than their TV speakers, a simple soundbar gets most of the way there. I just want people to get the center channel and sub because they're probably an upgrade most people will appreciate.
@AaronFrance
6 ай бұрын
Oh wow. Had no idea you had a youtube channel with this kind of content! Your Flashbulb albums are some of my favourite ever.
@unclemick-synths
Жыл бұрын
I'll stick to stereo for my creations. In the unlikely event that my music gets into a movie, they'll either want it in stereo (just the same as most music in surround sound movies is still just stereo) or they can pony up for me to make them an exclusive remix at someone else's studio.
@wendigo2442
Жыл бұрын
I posted a royalty free track on freesound and it got used in a movie, I even got a credit. You can do it king
@JZStudiosonline
Жыл бұрын
I think surround sound music is cool, provided you do it well, but I'm not pretending like it works on a phone or speakers. It's dedicated to a physical surround sound system. I imagine Atmos would be the same, but they ruined it by slapping the label on things like phones, earbuds, laptops, TV screens, etc. that clearly can't actually handle it.
@BattleAngelSound
Жыл бұрын
Totally. Even if your music ends up in the movie, it makes no sense to use anything else than stereo. The only exception that could make sense would be a live performance. Otherwise, surround/ambisonic sound effects from the movie + surround/ambisonic music would collide and confuse everyone. "Oh, I can hear explosions behind me, gunshots in front of me and a drummer playing on the right side of the battlefield" :D
@unclemick-synths
Жыл бұрын
@@BattleAngelSound that would definitely confuse the audience! lol 😂
@kameoosama
Жыл бұрын
I feel like if you're gonna go beyond Stereo for music, you should be doing something experimental enough where the positioning of sections is integral to it. Or like the type of ambient music that's trying to immerse you in a specific environment I guess lol. Either way, it's kinda weird to do it on pop music
@Bricex17
Жыл бұрын
Every video. EVERY video you make it fantastic. Even if the title and thumbnail don't get me excited, I know that I won't be disappointed. I appreciate your attitude, methodology, and commitment to honesty and transparency. You keep things interesting with your passion and I'm here for it. Keep up the good work Benn!
@dzaxys4643
6 ай бұрын
As an underground techno producer the majority of the systems in clubs and raves are set up as a single stack with some notable exceptions
@Hi-levels
5 ай бұрын
It is often the chems and good techno making a great rave lmao. No body would understand if there was an atmos system
@tyjuarez
Жыл бұрын
5.1 was always good enough for movies tbh. I would even say stereo is enough, but just having that extra bandwidth from separating the center and the LFE, plus a little extra "wow" factor from the surround speakers makes the whole thing worthwile
@collinbeal
Жыл бұрын
7.2 is as high as I would ever go for cinematic surround sound, and 5.1 for music
@samuelhildebrandt9074
Жыл бұрын
@collinbeal 7.1 requires a specific room and seating layout to properly enjoy, 5.1 can make any audio better in any kind of room with different seating IMO
@audie-cashstack-uk4881
9 ай бұрын
@@samuelhildebrandt9074also 5.1 in smaller rooms allows the same side back effect as 7.1 whitch is only required in larger open spaces as the soundnpasing back and forth isn't separated and flows perfectly well inn5.1 in a average living room
@bélalugrisi
6 ай бұрын
Center channel removes all height perception as compared with stereo. The image shrinks vertically to a narrow band!
@SamuraiGuy
6 ай бұрын
I have a 5.1.2 setup just so I could get a taste of every feature without going too crazy. I can confirm that, even in movies with surround sound, the rears and heights are barely used. I think 3.1 is a huge upgrade when watching movies because of the LFE (like you said) and the ability to turn up the center channel to hear dialog better.
@dirg3music
Жыл бұрын
As always, Benn is going to burst someone's bubble and I'm here for it!!
@GoTeamScotch
Жыл бұрын
We got front row seats, boys
@ucantSQ
6 ай бұрын
I'm not even three minutes in but I just have to say I love this set-up. You're clearly not only intelligent, but compassionate. Thank you!
@stonethemason12
5 ай бұрын
Did you mean passionate lol
@asmrengineering3710
Жыл бұрын
My favorite use of spatial audio is careful binaural convolution panning baked into certain elements of a stereo mix - If you do it right the headphone listener gets a nice spatial expecience of that particular element, while also translating well to speakers and not disappearing in mono.
@arpaddanos9416
Жыл бұрын
Is there some place to read or otherwise learn more about what you are describing here? thank you
@asmrengineering3710
Жыл бұрын
@@arpaddanos9416 idk offhand but there's a free vst called DearVR Micro that you can play around with! I have to exercise restraint to not overuse it haha - before this I used to use an oculus vst plugin that accomplished the same thing
@orbatos
Жыл бұрын
@@asmrengineering3710 There used to be hardware for this too. I used to have a vinyl demo that was impressive even by modern standards. It was just too expensive and deemed unnecessary at the time.
@stevenswall
Жыл бұрын
Do you have an example of a song like this available on Apple music? I have not heard a single song that I have enjoyed with spatial audio on earphones, though I do really enjoy it on my genelec system about half the time if the mastering is good.
@asmrengineering3710
Жыл бұрын
@@stevenswall sure! some tracks I've done this on: Cul-De-Sac by G Brenner at about 3:00 on uses it pretty overtly, as well as some textures in the background of the track Pluperfect Mind by Dear Laika - also various percussive blips from Dog Ears by scuttlefuzz that wiggle in the stereo field - the use of the panning doesn't really call attention to itself (or provide "immersion") but It adds a lively texture that I like a lot, especially when things move around
@Septem_150
3 ай бұрын
I really, REALLY appreciate the non-profit transition. I’ve never subscribed to someone’s Patreon or whatever before, but I’ll support your efforts for sure, sincerely.
@johnchedsey1306
Жыл бұрын
If I want an immersive experience for music, I try to go see them play live. Otherwise, I just want a mix that sound good in my car while I'm driving (and dealing with a certain amount of road noise). I hope that's what most artists would be okay with for my listening experience!
@JustinLesamiz
Жыл бұрын
Living performances generally use mono audio for everything because they can't predict where each audience member is standing. So, aside from the immersiveness of the venue and crowd, the audio is even less immersive than a stereo mix.
@johnchedsey1306
Жыл бұрын
@@JustinLesamiz immersive is the full experience of attending a live show, not just the technical aspects of audio.
@BartMassey-PO8
Жыл бұрын
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@LeMicronaut
Жыл бұрын
@@JustinLesamiz Definitely this, I've found it pretty rare that an artist has their audio nailed at a venue. AC/DC, Foo Fighters, Deadmau5, and Computer Magic (Danz) come to mind of acts where it was actually dialed in very well. Dozens of other performers, many having toured for decades, I thought were generally better served by listening to the albums first so you can counter the imbalances in your head (and a lot of that is just who runs the venue). Live is definitely more for appreciating the artists as people and seeing the fans.
@BobbysArchive
Жыл бұрын
@@LeMicronautit depends on the listener, genre, the band, the engineer, venue, there’s a lot of factors that come into play that make a performance. Comparing studio and live is apples and oranges, there’s a lot of people who prefer only studio or only live versions of songs because of how different or close they are. Me personally I’m fine with sacrificing stereo width and fidelity so I could hear a unique version of a song in a room with fans. There wouldn’t be a demand or need for live albums and bootlegs if they weren’t immersive or good
@hiddenlawyer
5 ай бұрын
I have a 7.1 setup on my PC, all near field studio monitors. There have been so many times when I thought something was mixed in surround when it turned out to be just an incredible stereo mix, so much so that I had to rewind and power off the front channel to confirm nothing was coming from any other speaker. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy the 7.1 setup when it does kick in, especially for games (oddly enough even titles from over 10 years ago), but don't underestimate the power of a good stereo setup and mix!
@mchirag
Жыл бұрын
Watching this video before WWDC today, I can't unhear how often apple says "spatial". Appreciate the work you put in!
@nimrodsmusic
6 ай бұрын
I just canceled my Atmos speaker order because of this video, thank you for saving me money and the headache of trying to figure out why it didn't work as promised!!
@noahhultgren1710
Жыл бұрын
I tried Atmos years ago and immediately thought of the fact that I have never been to a concert where I was surrounded by musicians instead of them standing in front of me, and I dont think I ever will, what benefit do I receive from the tuba player standing behind my head? On a side note, anyone remember the old quadraphonic systems, like an old version of Atmos from back in the day where you'd use 4 speakers instead of two? That was stupid.
@TheSteveSteele
5 ай бұрын
I remember that the Quadraphonic mix of Dark Side of the Moon was the primary demonstration album. Deep Purple’s Machine Head was also released in quadraphonic. Smoke on the Water in quad? If there was ever a song that had no business being mixed in a surround format, that was the song.
@richardhall5489
3 ай бұрын
Sun Rah's Arkestra would play Space Is The Place while walking through the audience to the stage but you wouldn't want that "Tuba player in my right ear " thing if he wasn't actually there.
@dmoracze
Жыл бұрын
Great video. I was weak and bought a Klipsch Atmos system. The ceiling reflections didn't come through at all, but I can say that listening to a 5.1 mix of an album where a skilled musician/mix engineer (eg Steven Wilson) actually mixed in 5.1 is a really cool albeit privileged experience.
@BruceWalkerPhotography
29 күн бұрын
As a Pure Consumer I am really glad to have had my feelings and findings validated by your little rant. I am very late to the immersive sound pursuit having only just added an AVR and upgraded to 5.1 a couple of years ago. So far I've discovered that I have to really work hard to find any source material that gets my rear channels doing anything at all. Most movies make no use of the rears. Most of my streaming is KZitem and that's all in stereo. The surround speakers don't make a peep unless some virtualization software somewhere decides to synthesize something for them. But one really good thing has resulted from going 5.1: that center channel makes movie dialogue clearer for me. So 3.1 would have been all I need. Recently I decided to try the cheapest AVR that could get to grok Atmos (an Onkyo 7.1 AVR) just to see if I could get *something* surround-ish sounding. I run 5.1 on it, ignore the two extra channels and let the AVR do "virtualization". I found have exactly one disk that shows this off well: Mad Max Fury Road. Stunning sound. Just super glad I never tried adding more surrounds, ceiling speakers, and all the other crap.
@coatduck
Жыл бұрын
on one hand, mastering my music for object based systems sounds awesome, I'd love to experience my own music that way, and the idea of being able to move instruments like that sounds great, but on the other hand, visiting friends and realizing that they listen to music on a google home that's in a different room with the volume turned up... I can be pretty confident that even the basic stereo things I do are probably lost with the delivery that 90% of people listen with.
@peterbronez1188
Жыл бұрын
I wish stuff was reliably produced at different levels of fidelity. Sure, crank out a hella compressed version for mobile. Maybe make it mono! Then consider an audiophile 2 channel mix, with actual dynamics. Maybe then extend that to an immersive object-based format. I think the reason this doesn’t happen is mostly that the value doesn’t flow back to the artists well enough. There’s a market for those higher fidelity versions, but it’s small and difficult to reach. 😕
@DaftFader
Жыл бұрын
I have a similar thought process, and always have since Dolby surround sound first came out for consumer home theater. It would be cool to make music in surround, but it'd only be for me and the random few people who can afford and have a surround set up, and I would NOT want it to be the only way to listen to it, nor it to be forced down peoples throats. I see it as it's own thing, not a replacement for stereo, but something for people with specialized interest in new/exciting audio experiences and money. Not as some standard across the board. Hyper aggressive marketing only works if there's some core level of adoption by a big enough % of the base of stereo listeners, and that just isn't the case. It's hard enough getting people to listen to your music on a decent pair of stereo speakers so they can hear the bass, let alone 24 of them so they can hear sound behind them and above their heads! I've heard someone argue "well Atmos is in Tesla and Mercedes cars now!" and I'm like .. what about "Toyota, Honda, Chevy, Ford, Nissan, Dodge, Mazda..." and all the other more common brands of cars that aren't upmarket and account for the majority of consumer cars? Just because 2 or 3 expensive brands now put these sound systems in their cars doesn't mean it's become widely adopted or normalized in the slightest, nor does it mean it will become so in the future (which was the point they were trying to make). Sure there's a market for it, but it's not big enough to become an overarching standard audio format, when 99% of people will be listening to the folded down 2 speaker version if it did anyway. That's the definition of uneconomic and wasteful, poring so many resources into something that will, for the most part, be completely underutilized in it's intended format. But hey, who'd of thunk Apple would of been at the forefront of ramming something down your throat you don't want or need, to the point of them trying to break/make obsolete something that worked perfectly (stereo) just to force you to buy something most people wont use fully (Atmos wrapped up in Apple spacial audio). At least USB C is cross compatible I suppose, although headphone 3.5mm jacks are still just as useful and haven't gone anywhere, despite their attempt to remove them from existence!
@chriskom
2 ай бұрын
many years ago I talked to the the VP of Infinity audio who back in the day had arguably one of the best audio experiences anywhere and his fave way to listen to music was on a 12 inch full range MONO speaker in his garage. being a musician and sound designer after sitting in the middle of an orchestra I can tell you it's IMPOSSIBLE to remotely recreate the sound of of anything you originally hear with your ears, so just do what works for you!
@julianmorrisco
Жыл бұрын
Here’s a cautionary tale. In about 2003 I converted my studio, basically a glorified home studio with treatment and, at the time, regular work coming in, to 5.1. I’ve done precisely two paid mixes in 5.1 and only one of those ever went into a theatre. I love mixing for surround and listening to it is wonderful. But when I came up in the 80s, the key review of a mix was to dub it onto a cassette and go for a drive and play it on a bog standard factory car audio system. And this was a time when many more people would sit down and actually listen to an album. Earbuds, mobile phones etc have made this type of listening extremely rare. Even the people who say they care about audio quality (I don’t mean audiophiles, those men - I’ve never met a woman who calls herself an audiophile - are lunatics. Green felt markers make your CDs sound better, don’t you know?) anyway, people who care about sound quality often fall for the BS that is Beats headphones. Yes, Beats can sound good. But accurate? Pfffft. And you pay a ton for the name. They are the monster cable of headphones. And they’re headphones. Enough said there. Anyway, I digress. I think this is possibly the 4th or 5th time I’ve been told surround sound, quadrophonic, Atmos, Ambisonic, whatever, is the future of audio and/or music. But stereo remains the majority of listening experiences by so much, the percentage of listens on an immersive or surround system looks like a rounding error. Ok. I, too, love the 4-channel Ambisonic stuff. b-format whatever. It’s a lot of fun. But I’ve never met anyone who could be called anything like a consumer who listens to more than two channels regularly.
@Slurkz
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Beats was a Monster product before Apple acquired Beats. But maybe I’m kicking open een open door here. Great comment bij the way… 👌🏻
@trippmoore
Жыл бұрын
I have a vintage Sansui 5500 receiver and the QS-500 rear channel amp attached to it. I have 15 or so quad encoded LPs, not all of them encoded in QS (the version of quad encoding that Sansui developed). Some are SQ so I can't decode those or the CD-4 encoded ones. So maybe I have 5 QS encoded LPs. I got them not because I was looking for them, but I just came across them at goodwill or where ever. I do have Sly & The Family Stone's greatest hits in quad that I also have a stereo pressing of, and it's a pretty good record. A fun listen even if I'm not a rabid fan, but it's in SQ. Womp womp. As for CD-4, that's supposedly results in the best "real" quad experience because unlike the others which are matrix encodings (not true discrete 4 channel) CD-4 does actually encode the 2 additional discrete channels, but there''s a catch. (We'll ignore that stereo records do not contain a discrete left and right channel, but a left channel and a difference channel from which the right channel comes by applying it to the discrete left channel signal that requires no prossesing or demodulating or matrix mathing to get to the actual signal). The CD-4 signal is modulated to 38khz carrier signal (or something near that), which in itself isn't an issue. Demodulating carrier signals is how we get stereo over the FM frequency band and we all love how that sounds. The problem is that your average stylus is not designed to pick up frequencies that high. They go to 22khz maybe. So you need a special (read expensive) stylus of the finest teeny tiny point of contact that gets down and can pick up those frequencies. Then you need special "ultra low capacitance" phono cables so they don't accidentally filter out that frequency. once you got the very low high frequecy signal in your CD-4 pre-amp then you are set becaus the demodulation process is simple and you've got your 2 rear channels. That is if the 50 year old record still has the high frequency data and it hasn't been "scrubbed" off the grooves by your shity conical stereo stylus/cart that you have tracking at 5gms. I've heard that og dolby pro-logic (a 4 channel surround tech, FL. C. FR. RL and RR are just the same single read hannel) uses the same methods as CD-4 to get it's 4 channel signals, and so it can decode a CD-4 signal (I've heard. Could ne wring an evne so it's only the OG Dolby Pro logic version 1 that might work). I aint spending the $400 for a shibata styus just for Sly.
@MaintDocs
Жыл бұрын
I'll say that as a gamer, it is sad to me that multi-speaker headphones are a rare nitch thing. I think that could all turn around fast if android or apple advertised bluetooth headphone to stream in 4.1 or 6.1 as a standard feature and got a streaming service on board with it. I'm amazed how many people watch movies on their phone instead of a laptop or tv nearby. They select HD on youtube, so it seems logical to have auto surround sound too.
@Bozebo
11 ай бұрын
As a consumer I dipped back from 5.1 to stereo because it was always terribly done over the top in games and film. Half the time you had to manually set it to stereo to actually consume the media, and infact you got better positional audio too because it was actually done right instead of lazily as a gimmick.
@kaitlyn__L
8 ай бұрын
You're totally right about it being all guys, and those guys work very hard to ensure it stays a boys' only club. I used to call myself an audiophile, as a teenager who just thought it meant you appreciated good quality speakers and headphones. The Audiophiles laughed me out of online spaces because I hadn't spent £20k on an amp and wasn't putting the special felt marker on my CDs, and I was GASP using the analogue audio out on my CD player. I never called myself an audiophile again even though I do certainly seek out the flattest frequency response curve in headphones and stuff like that - stuff I didn't know about as a teen but certainly was never informed about by those Audiophiles. It's musicians who taught me about all that. Musicians care to distinguish the snake-oil in a way those guys just don't.
@bricaaron3978
4 ай бұрын
All that is necessary for experiencing realistic, immersive audio is a two-channel set-up consisting of intra-aural earphones and some means of making the lowest frequencies felt by your body. The key is that the correct information must be delivered to the earphones.
@nebula0024
Жыл бұрын
This video *really* strikes a chord with me. Back in the day, I would use a 5.1 system for my games, and for the most part it would just work. Especially with PC games. Now, finding a 5.1 system or Atmos system that supports HDMI and is actually *affordable* is a real headache. There are SOOOOO many products out there that are complete junk, and even the ones that are "good" don't really compare to what I was using 15 years ago. It all took me completely by surprise when I went looking to buy a new sound system, because I foolishly assumed the surround ecosystem would have become a lot more streamlined and standardized by now. Silly me.
@JZStudiosonline
Жыл бұрын
I got a $400 (probably $500 now) Yamaha bundle with an actual 5.1 avr and all 6 speakers. Works really well. Has 4k HDR HDMI and everything. I think Yamaha is the best entry point to actual AVRs, they have the same software as the high end models on the cheaper ones so they have fully fleshed out features.
@jakedill1304
Жыл бұрын
So I have a device, that in theory.. will.. in theory.. with many extra steps that have insured it's not been taken out of the plastic.. switch RCA into HDMI.. theoretically... Apparently this is just something that they really don't want you to do LOL.. and I've never used HDMI for anything audio.... Especially as a PC gamer that's always had a sound card where the outputs have always been analog LOL.. like the HDMI thing happened and, it was like cool story bro.. that'll be great if I don't want to hook up speakers and I'm using a TV (which I do, but for displaying purposes, I treat it like a monitor which I wouldn't want to have audio anyways LOL just add more pass-throughs for heaven's sake LOL..) What's really frustrating is I have a near perfect audio setup for to the point where I've set it up in a way that should I wish to improve it I would have to spend significantly more money and as long as I don't hear anything like that.. I'm at the top of where I need to be LOL.. and it was based around the problem of needing to find RCA for surround on my sound card.. No I don't like center channels and I don't like subwoofers.. I don't need them either LOL I have full range floor speakers that each have 12 in woofers.. and if I was going to set up subs, I would have to do a whole bunch of things that I don't want to do LOL when I can get at the very least consistent surround low channels in surround.... and also honestly like center channels are kind of pointless.. if I was doing a 5.1 setup then yeah I would wanta center channel probably because we're talking about midget speakers at that point.. and then yeah I would have to get a sub because it would need to start doing all the sub things to compensate for the fact that the center channel is almost universally going to be limited in range, just on the mixing and never mind the output end... Of course, ghosting the center channel has never been a problem in PC world, as has full range surround never been a problem.. it just does the thing, but that translation is very sad that my production computer, has not so much lacking the DRM handshakes as all of the components in the chain have the DRM handshake of the Dolby and the DTs.. including the receiver.. including the television which is not in the chain and because I don't want to watch my content on a cell phone.. the best way to get quality is to either buy a Blu-ray or torrent a Blu-ray as streaming services don't really provide you with the surround sound on the computer.. or even the 4K or any number of things... One of these days I'm going to set up XP, if I can figure out how to find that 64-bit version that I had always tried to get to work but never could.. and just see if I was just remembering things wrong.. I feel like I I wasn't, but it was because I wasn't looking for it, I wasn't told that it had it I just remembered it having it and I remember it not having it when unreal 3 got really popular.. LOL I just remembered that being jarring having somebody in a house on the floor above me sound like he was behind me.. I was like well that's bad sound design why doesn't it do up and down....lol.
@DaftFader
Жыл бұрын
@@jakedill1304 Yeah as someone who mixes and makes tracks, but also games, I use HDMI audio only when I am using my PC for youtube or am not playing a game where I need to listen for footsteps etc, or if I CBA to turn my speakers on, or it's late at night or something. It's useful to not have extra wires, but that's about it really. I had exactly the same experience with DVI+fiber optics digital out to my monitor except it had 2 wires instead of one (it's basically the same thing, HDMI = DVI+digital audio).
@jamesphillips2285
Жыл бұрын
HDMI was invented to push HDCP copy protections onto consumer devices. The read single cable AV standard is SDI using industry-standard 50 ohm coax with BNC connectors.
@DaftFader
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesphillips2285 HDMI and DVI-D are two standards for the transmission of digital image signals, each with different protocols, but in part the same type of conductor which, among other things, also makes them compatible with each other. The difference is primarily that DVI is a computer monitor standard and not prepared for sound transfer. The DVI protocol is somewhat more sensitive to noise and therefore cannot cope with as long cables as HDMI. HDMI is a newer standard and designed for multimedia transmission and the protocol therefore has more options and control signals than DVI (including things like HDCP).
@UnthankMusic
Жыл бұрын
It just occurred to me to check after watching this and it turns out I have an Atmos soundbar on my TV. The clarity of bass frequencies when I'm watching Masterchef is unrivalled.
@tungtobak
Жыл бұрын
Do bass sound different than other fish when getting cooked?
@metalmanexetreme
Жыл бұрын
@@tungtobak I heard they sing for their lives
@metalmanexetreme
Жыл бұрын
@Jordan Rodrigues atmos doesn’t give the bass spatial depth but boosts the low frequency so it sounds more “rumbly”
@phutureproof
Жыл бұрын
its all about the bass knowledge
@editingsecrets
Жыл бұрын
Feel sorry for the Atmos remixer who had to individually object-position each tomato so you could hear it being sliced in exactly the right location
@proksalevente
6 ай бұрын
I really enjoy the traditional stereo image, thank you very much, mister dolby. I watched the dune movie on my stereo setup, which consists of Kali In8v2's and an SVS PB-1000 Subwoofer in stereo, which could be considered studio equipment, not consumer audio products. I didn't notice the lack of rear speakers, but oh boy did I notice the punch these speakers pack. They have tons of headroom, in my mid sized (15 m2) listening space I would be in pain before the speakers would start to hit their limit. In conclusion, I've leanerd that to get an experience just like in a movie theater, you don't need lots of channels, you just need distortion free spl with a good frequency response on two (or more) speakers and a subwoofer.
@jeanking4686
Жыл бұрын
I already have a grudge with dolby for taking away true calculated hrtf audio for gaming by aureal, and they're just going further and further with this "virtual speaker" stuff. Edit: yeah sorry, as pointed out by drinklava it was creative labs who bought aureal. But the point still stand that it shows they can trick us with the virtual surround sound.
@IDrinkLava
Жыл бұрын
That was creative labs, not Dolby.
@jeanking4686
Жыл бұрын
@@IDrinkLava my bad, you're right
@MaintDocs
Жыл бұрын
Windows breaking driver compatibility every 6mo is what killed creative. You can only take so many years of having to rewrite and refix stuff you've already sold before it's not worth it anymore.
@plonk420
6 ай бұрын
i'm soooooo glad to see soundbars have such low market penetration, or at least in EU. my biggest issues are 1) their price 2) the lack of being able to replace a component of it if it breaks and 3) for the price, it's never better than the ~$200 pair of midrange bookshelves i got maybe 20 years ago (and a needed $100+ amp)
@MikeS-1969
Жыл бұрын
Once more great content. My only experience with Atmos is in Village Cinemas. That's it. So, every time i look at a movie with the Atmos logo on the ticket when I go to watch the movie in the theater I experience nothing special or extremely different. Nothing that I haven't experienced before with any older multichannel Surround system that we knew from years or decades ago. Except that ticket is a couple of Euros more expensive.
@DarkSideofSynth
Жыл бұрын
And those extra €2 is exactly why they made it ;) We can still immensely enjoy black and white films in mono from almost a century ago. Why? Because they were written, acted and directed as they should be. I don't need to hear the chopper hovering over my head if the screenplay sucks ;)
@mk500
Жыл бұрын
This is spot on. When Apple Music did their big Lossless/ATMOS update I was extremely happy…to have lossless. I didn’t know much about ATMOS so immediately turned it off in my Apple Music setting. Apple Lossless is awesome! ALAC is just an uncompressed version of what the artist (and their mixer) uploaded. If they chose to upload in 24 bit 48kHz format, that is what my RME plays back through my amp to my headphones or stereo speakers. And that’s a LOT of what’s on Apple Music. Almost everything is at least lossless CD quality (16/44). And many artist do just upload at least 24 bit since that’s easy to get from their DAW. A few times I have turned on ATMOS to see what all the advertising is about. Like when I purchased my new Apple AirPods Pro for working in noisy environments. I tried them in a quiet room listing to movies on my Apple TV. It’s OK for listing to movies, but honestly I’m happier with my old Pioneer 5.1 surround speakers. For me a lot of the immersion is the LFE effects shaking my feet. If I A/B with ATMOS on/off for any music I love, I would choose the stereo mix 100% of the time. It’s just two mixes, and I like that I can choose the stereo mix. Hopefully artists will always upload both mixes. To me the ATMOS always sounds like someone just went to town with an EQ and reverb like a 1980’s teenager trying to blow away their buddies with their new Realistic EQ. So just turn off ATMOS and love what Apple did with Lossless/ALAC. It’s one easy setting and it’s off forever. Apple Music Lossless is an awesome way to access an insane library of music at a very affordable monthly price. And honestly one of the best ways to hear it is with an iPhone 6s (available used for maybe $150) and a good pair of wired headphones like the Sennheiser HD 560S (available for around $180). For less than $350 you can have a listening experience that really is what the artist intended and may make you cry if you love music. Or with a newer phone/tablet without a headphone jack you can buy a nice headphone DAC for around $150 to connect to lightning.
@TheJonHolstein
Жыл бұрын
"you can have a listening experience that really is what the artist intended" Unfortunately not accurate. Unless you are listening to bedroom mixes, chances are that mixing and mastering engineers have imprinted their opinion on the sound (and some of them have strongs opinions, and can be very decisive and act in a way that the artist feel they have some authority, despite many of them having quite huge gaps in understanding of hearing). But even if the engineers nail the artists vision, or improve on it, so the artist is even more pleased with what they are hearing (and not what they should be told to like, and believe the engineer to be correct). Unless it is a bedroom production, and even then in many cases, the mixing and mastering will be made with nearfield monitors, and adopted for that. The issue with that, is that when listening to speakers in a room, there will be channel crosstalk, so sounds for the right and left respectively will also reach the opposite ear. That impacts the "soundstage" quite a lot. So the panning and balance will be made for that situation, not for headphones where each channel is discretely delivered to the ear. So the vision of the soundstage will be off (it will be for your home stereo speaker set-up as well, and the engineer in the sweetspot will hear it one way, the artists sitting behind or to the side, will have heard it differently as well, so basically it only translate to a similar listening position in a similar room... but that has been the case for several of decades, but possibly even more with headphones compared to speakers). This also extends to stereo reverbs, where the reflection may be discreetly delivered in the stereo signal, making it so that stereo reverbs sounds very unnatural. And then there is an issue that can in theory be dealt with, the low end; our hearing can't tell the direction of low end sounds, that is why it is fine to have a cross over for a subwoofer at 120Hz, if needed, but when bass is mixed in stereo, and listened to through headphones, you get this weird mono bass, that is completely unnatural, but there are tools to deal with this, making bass mono, and with speakers in a room, no one would suffer from that anyway. So you are often not getting what the artist, or even engineer intended when listening with headphones. And here, something like Atmos could have made sense, if one of the main goals and priorities was to ensure that a mix made on speakers would translate to headphone use. There are some tools to mix with headphones and making it sound a bit like being in a room, and they are better at it than Atmos for headphones. And Apple is even using their own, not the Dolby Atmos for headphones, but applying their own encoder on it, that according to some sounds worse, but ultimately, ensures that there is no single standard, so even if Dolby would vatly improve their Atmos for headphone algorithm to actually work for translating stereo speaker mixes to headphone, as long as Apple uses their own, there would not be a single way to reference the results. As for proper Atmos mixes, I do feel it can be quite effective. There is the basic reverbs where the reflections are actually coming from different places, just like in a real environment. And it can be used to add environmental sounds, like rain or wind, in an immersive way. There are also some cool effects like "voice of god", for parts of the vocals, or as spoken words. You can make the soundstage wider, and for example placing a choir behind the listener. And you could also do a mix that sounds like the listener sitting in the center of a live recording in a studio. But there should be some intent behind it. I'm 100% sure the Beatles had they had access to Atmos, they would have used it, so would have Pink Floyd, probably Frank Zappa, it is just that today we do not know how, so it is hard to make immersive mixes where the artists (at the mental stage they were at when making the songs), can tell us how they would have made them. Sure there would have beeen swirling vocals, and percussion, and weird sound effects that they werent even able to record at the time, as it was such a hustle using multiple tapes. But for everyday listening, the most important things we could ask of a new format, is to actually translate the mix between different playback devices, with different types of speakers and hedphone configurations, be that adding loudness compression, and distortion to the low end to generat audible bass on a device where the speaker(s) can't play back low end. Allt to make sure that the artists (and possibly engineers), could make a mix that sounds the best on the playback they intended it for, will maximum dynamics, and good bass balance, but still sounds reasonable on other playback systems (but really, I would like the whole industry to move to headphone first, as there are many benefits, not only as it translates better to how people that care about the sound will mostly listen, it also have a lot of benefits when mixing, as headphones remove the room, and the missalignment to the sweetspot between the speaker, that regurarely happens, when interacting with hardware, or simply accidentally move, or when adjusting seating position, as well as for everyone else in the room). And atmos doesn't do that, and nothing suggest Dolby has any such plans. And then DTS:X has a super useful tool that Atmos lacks, for home playback of films/series, the dialogue lift feature, where all dialogue objects can be tagged as such, enabling the listener to increase all dialogue elements, no matter what speaker they will come out off. It was unfortunately not made mandatory. And just like with music engineers, sound engineers for films, directors and all sort of other creatives in the industry, lack a lot of understanding of hearing, and completely lacks the fresh ears of hearing material for the first time, so they can't judge how it will actually be heard, but they believe they are the experts, and most would not accept giving the consumers control over the balance of audio, as they feel it would negatively impact their work.
@JohnSmith-qt4pv
Жыл бұрын
@@TheJonHolstein You misunderstand one thing, human hearing doesn't become non directional below 120hz, the increasingly omnidirectional radiation patterns of speakers at lower frequencies particularly in a reflective room leads to non directional sound but we still have directional hearing capacity at low frequencies. You can most definitely feel the direction of impact from low frequency impulses well below 20hz in an open space.
@TheJonHolstein
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-qt4pv Now you are clearly mixing up things. We don't hear below 20Hz, we feel it, a different sense. You also have to understand the different between being able to tell the direction of a sound, because of overtones in the sound, or generated by things vibrating because of the sound. If you think you hear direction of low end in a room, you are probably hearing direction of overtones, so centering a low end instrument is that what you would do, but you would center the low end of the instrument or the mix, and let he high end be directional. If we are talking about music mixing, a truly open space is quite irrelevant as well, they don't make for good listening situations.
@JohnSmith-qt4pv
Жыл бұрын
@@TheJonHolstein have a like for the intelligent reply 👍 I disagree on one thing though: Open spaces, large sub arrays and heavy EDM works great together. Vibrate your insides levels of bass :)
@meeder78
Жыл бұрын
ALAC is one of the rare cases that Apple made something open source so everyone can use the codec. Although they could have just used FLAC.
@eagleray1
Ай бұрын
In headphones, games usually use HRTF DSPs (via Fmod or Wwise) instead of Atmos bc most HRTFs support a min. of 128 localization nodes, always higher res than Atmos.
@tycham85
6 ай бұрын
I upgraded my media room to incorporate ATMOS ceiling speakers (along with my AVR and a compatible 4k BluRay player), and I've been underwhelmed for the most part. But when the track is properly mixed and it kicks in...oh boy, it's pretty fantastic! You do feel a lot more immersed. But I'd say it's only worth it on 10% of the movies we own (Dune was amazing), and I wouldn't even bother with it for music. For critical listening, I actually prefer stereo speakers with a relaxed sound profile and a chair right in front of them. Would I do it again? Yeah. I've got the disposable income, when it hits, it hits, and I'm hoping ATMOS and DTS-X become more widely adopted and used in the future.
@citizenscientist1284
Жыл бұрын
To my mind listening to music is like eating food; I dream about beautiful, delicious high end meals in restaurants with great atmosphere and I imagine setting up a room in my house with a perfect surround sound system. But in the end I’m eating a granola bar at work and listening to music on the go through my 30 dollar Jlab earbuds.🤷🏼♂️
@MilesAwayOfficial
Жыл бұрын
Huge W. I love this video so much man. End music gate keeping forever! Also so cool that you scored films for planetariums! I love the depth of your musical background and resume.
@editingsecrets
Жыл бұрын
Music maker to the stars
@LDBaha
4 ай бұрын
When you have a Home Theater and set up Atmos properly it is FREAKING FANTASTIC - it cant be a soundbar. But you are right the entry bar is very high
@devinsoucy8070
Жыл бұрын
the best headphone experience I had was on a PS4 with some turtle beach stealths. It was on Far Cry Primal and the 3d was insane on it. DTX I think, but I could hear and track things without a UI just based on the sound alone. It was phenomenal. Tried switching to steel series and definitely not the same feeling. The headphones matter big time
@freestalkerdotfr6391
Жыл бұрын
CF : frequency response*
@markignatovich3379
Жыл бұрын
gaming headphones, lol. lmao.
@chrishayes8197
4 ай бұрын
visual filter transition at 1:47 - champ. New to the channel, but understated craftsmanship = win
@netx421
4 ай бұрын
my setup is a 3.1 system using an old wiring technique from Dynaco. I have my stereo signal split into 3 speakers. the center speaker is an 8 inch subwoofer suspended open baffle from a rope, the other two 3 inch speakers set on the top side walls off my room and with the 12 inch sub woofer on the floor in front of the tv. It is the best sounding and cheapest setup I have ever made. Only the sub is in a box all other speakers are open to air and hanging. I get a nice center stage with discrete left and right audio coming from the side speakers. Edit: To make this a killer sound system I would need a total of three 8" sub woofer drivers with no baffles. Right now the center channel is dominant, but with matched speakers it would be tremendous. In fact I have never heard better sound than from my Dynaco 3 channel stereo wiring with a matched triplet of drivers. I understand that all of you are going to hang me and I understand. Something about the math and and open baffles make it feel like everything is happening live and at times ads suck and are too intrusive, but media you love to hear sounds like it's happening in real time. You can install them in a cardboard box side by side or in an 8-10 foot span an they will create almost the same effect, a prominent center with clear distinction between audio sources in the media and a nice dynamic range with discrete satellite
@ChadAV69
5 ай бұрын
I'm an audiophile and a home theater enthusiast. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a "bubble of sound" unless your room is in the literal shape of a bubble. Acoustics is THE most important thing. There are people with legitimate atmos systems that still don't sound right. You're not going to get there with a soundbar or ceiling reflecting speakers. Even commercial cinemas don't sound like a bubble.
@Shift4g
5 ай бұрын
It's a descriptor to provide a visual reference, just like it's impossible to feel like you are in the movie but you get the meaning.
@ArcticonComp
Жыл бұрын
When you got to describing the experience of hearing your own music through this gimmick, I was nodding profusely. Exactly that! 100 %! Thanks for this breakdown.
@JustinLesamiz
Жыл бұрын
It isn't a gimmick at all. It just isn't for everyone. The cost prohibitive part of it is real, but it DOES do exactly what it says it does if used properly by somebody that knows what they're doing.
@ArcticonComp
Жыл бұрын
@@JustinLesamiz Fair enough. The only time atmos has sounded good to me was listening to music in the mixing studio of friend who does movie atmos music mixes with absolute pro gear in a pro room. Any simulation with headphones etc. seems kind of pointless to me, but you do you.
@milostoney
Жыл бұрын
Every video Ben puts out is a goldmine of cool information.
@peterbaugh51
4 ай бұрын
Surround is in the stereo mix. I hear all the atmos effects in surround tests with only two speakers and a class D amp with tube preamp. My speakers are cross streamed and tilted up 7 degrees. The TV and speakers are at a 30 degree angle out from the back wall, and the seating area is parallel to the sound stage. This makes full 360 surround sound with just two Elac DBR62 speakers. AV receivers just separate the effects and send each to a separate amp, then to a single speaker for each part of the mix. Then you can adjust the volume of each speaker to get the surround mix you want. With two speakers, you only hear surround when facing the sound stage. With 5.1 and multiple speakers you hear surround always, if surround is in the mix. A sub is not needed if your speakers and amp can play low and loud enough. Mine go from 30 to 30khz, so full enough range. Great for movies and music. Sound even comes from other rooms sometimes... Once I heard a bird chirping from the ceiling behind me because It was recorded that way. My room is on the small side with smooth walls, art works, carpet and furniture. Nothing special. Larger rooms will benefit from more speakers. Thanks for the video. Surround is in the mix. I hear all the effects in the tests with only two speakers and a class D amp with tube preamp. My speakers are cross streamed and tilted up 7 degrees. The TV and speakers are at 30 degree angle out from back wall, and seating area is parallel to the sound stage. Makes full 360 surround sound. Elac DBR62 speakers. AV receivers just separate the effects and send each to a separate amp, then to a single speaker for each part of the mix. Then you can adjust the volume of each speaker to get the surround mix you want. With two speakers, you only hear surround when facing the sound stage. With 5.1 and multiple speakers you hear surround always, if surround is in the mix. A sub is not needed if your speakers and amp can play low and loud enough. Mine go 30 to 30khz, so full enough range. Great for movies and music. Sound even comes from other rooms sometimes... My room is on the small side. Larger rooms will benefit from more speakers. Thanks for the test. They really worked even on my two channel system!
@richardhall5489
3 ай бұрын
This reminded me of a performance space in Belfast that has 48 channel diffusion sound- the floor is a steel grid so there are speakers below you as well as left, right, front, back and above. The building, the department and the facilities are amazing. But it seems to me that there's simply nothing you can add to most music in terms of emotional impact by making it extra spatial. I've no doubt there's some amazing musicians out there that have utilised spaces like this for some sort of psychoacoustic experience but my recollection of hearing performances in this particular space was that the diffused sound actually detracted from the music becuase it was so conspicuous. I haven't been there for years. I'll definitely go back and check out a performance and edit my comment if I've done them a disservice.
@DCMedien
6 ай бұрын
I'm using a 7.2.4 system at home, in a special room, just for that with a 120" canvas. It's absolutely mind-blowing, and i just LOVE it and I'm very thankful for every dolby atmos release out there. That being said, i totally understand why most people won't take this kind of struggle to get something similar at home. Standing 7 speakers perfectly aligned in your living room is a pain in the a** enough. But get 4 ceiling speakers going is another kind of struggle. Cable management is a nightmare, so is the alignment. And even then, you just have one spot in the room to really enjoy it. In my cinema room I used over 100 meters of cable, for the speakers only. Along comes hdmi cables, (expensive) composite cables for the subwoofers, ethernet, toslink cables for some older tech, etc. It's a nightmare. For me, it's perfectly fine, because i love this kind of stuff. But i totally understand anyone who doesn't even want to set up a 5.1 system. Most "normal" people got headaches by just seeing the tons of cables behind my AV reciever.
@carlkolthoff5402
4 ай бұрын
Same, but on a budget. Atmos 5.1.2 and 75". Our room is too small to handle a larger display and more speakers anyway. I absolutely love having this room when watching movies, but I never go there to listen to music and I've never tried mixing my own stuff in anything else than old school stereo. Have you found any music mixes where immersive sound adds any value? I'm thinking it could make sense for live recordings of acoustic instruments in a nice sounding room. Perhaps a jazz trio in a lively club or symphony orchestra in a large concert hall. Use it to add the environment, not in-your-face-FX.
@DCMedien
4 ай бұрын
@@carlkolthoff5402 Pink Floyd the Dark Side of the Moon, or Mike Oldfield Tubular bells are a prime example for good Atmos Music. Yello also has a special atmos album, and Billy eilish makes some decent tracks. Of course also a matter of your music taste ;)
@DCMedien
4 ай бұрын
@@carlkolthoff5402 Pink Floyd the Dark Side of the moon and Mike Oldfield Tubular bells are prime examples for good Atmos Music. Yello also has a special atmos album, and Billy eilish makes some decent tracks in Atmos too. But of course it all depends on your music taste
@21stcenturyscots
6 ай бұрын
RED ALERT?! I am already stressed out because of the financial development of the music industry for creators as it is. Thank you very much for stressing me out even more. Now I have panic attacks.
@EversonBernardes
Жыл бұрын
Would be neat to see how you feel about PlayStation's implementation of 3D Audio through the PS5 with the Tempest chip. Works with any pair of headphones, just needs a calibration that is done in-console. Returnal got one of the best positional audio I've ever experienced.
@IDrinkLava
Жыл бұрын
Try any old PC game with open al soft support like doom 3 or stalker shadow of chernobyl, blows tempest out of the water
@rocketman374
10 ай бұрын
If you still have the gear, there are SOME tracks that were actually mixed from the ground up in atmos and are fun to listen to. Bonobo's last album Fragments comes to mind. He uses the height channels as a way to add intensity to certain sections, like a synth gets BIGGER as it swells into the next section. But again, that was in a legit atmos studio so... ymmval
@joecrowe7062
6 ай бұрын
Cathedrals and pipe organs sound baths are amazing, something was going on in cathedrals have you ever done a breakdown in how architecture events sound, example being sound baths in cathedrals,I wonder how did they know it would work,or doesany room that echos sound works
@NORBZMUSIC
Жыл бұрын
This was awesome, good job. I do my atmos mixes in Logic as it's now built in.. Apple is trying to force producers/artists to use atmos heavily by saying they will no longer playlist anyones music unless it is in Atmos (as of February), however that's not true as I've been playlisted a bunch and it's not Atmos content. The other thing is when you create a file with 10 layers, it will make 70 layers in final ADM BWF wav file and makes it 7 times bigger (often my songs will reach over a gig for a 3-4min track). Then submitting Atmos through distros is also a bigger cost per track/release, and the end users have to have atmos listening capabilities which most of the market doesn't yet and you end up listening to atmos on stereo and it sounds wrong/quiet/etc.. Still a ways to go and I don't see the industry switching en mass anytime soon. I AM seeing mixing houses making a lot of money rn as you can charge $500 for a simple mixdown of exisitng tracks converting them to atmos so if you're a service provider and can get in there you'll make some good money rn.
@drrodopszin
Жыл бұрын
Like the VR revolution and 3D TVs...
@Cryowatt
6 ай бұрын
I first got the taste for spatial audio back in the late-90s with Aureal A3D, and I've been chasing that experience ever since. We probably would have been much farther progressed if the patent-troll Creative Labs didn't sue Aureal into non-existence, bought the IP, and let it die an undeserved death.
@paulfrindle7144
4 ай бұрын
You are absolutely right - yet again it's a marketing 'dosh spinner', just like many that have gone before. Make no mistake, licensed 'formats' are vastly profitable 'static' money spinners, which for the most part seek to fix stuff that isn't broken. It happens again and again - and other formats are lining up in the side wings to do exactly the same thing in the near future. It involves coming up with some 'format' or other, claiming it's novel, getting a patent (heaven knows how they manage it), then slapping a universal licensing fee to use it across the ENTIRE sector, at every single stage in the process, from the creator, right down to the punters buying gear to use it. Big money indeed! I saw this first hand as a designer in a large multinational organisation (guess), when 4.7GB high density (DVD) plastic discs were rolled out as a video format - and the movers, shakers and patent holders in the music industry were fighting to the death to find ways of filling the new discs up with an 'albums worth of music' and claim some sonic advantage, to preserve their royalties on the digital plastic music disc format. As an insider the spin and lies became so bad, in the end I refused to work on it anymore. I was also around in the consumer industry in 70's, when the industry tried to sell quadrophonic systems to punters. It wasn't pretty - there were loads of dissatisfied customers - and of course ultimately it mercifully died a death. But make no mistake - some companies made packets of dosh out of it - even if the expensive rear monitors installed in professional studios ended up being completely redundant after only a few years later. Yes - even they were duped :-( But hey, Dolby still had their licensed and very dubious cassette noise reduction system sign stamped on every consumer player - at a cost to everyone in the manufacturing chain including their consumers. You get the drift......... This IS their business model...
@d3xbot
Жыл бұрын
This really matches with my experiences with Dolby Atmos and Apple Music Spatial Audio. The one album I've heard that actually sounds good in Atmos (and that I'd actually leave Spatial Audio enabled for) is Paramore's This Is Why
@ProduceGuitarPop
Жыл бұрын
i was skeptical about it before namm, then i experienced it and im a full convert. interested to see what benn thinks about it
@JustinLesamiz
Жыл бұрын
Turns out he didn't know how to even research it properly, let alone set it up, so he didn't even give himself a chance to react to it in an honest way.
@ProduceGuitarPop
Жыл бұрын
@@JustinLesamiz ive watched it and i am now unconverted tbh haha like if the process of even getting it working is this complicated i dont see it being used enough by an amount of the consumer market to warrant the amount of attention its getting. i literaly have the newest airpods with spatial audio and i use amazon music with has a TON of atmos mixes…….and i still never listen in atmos
@musiciansmomentumofficial
4 ай бұрын
why did it take the youtube algo so long to recommend this? I'm subscribed to this channel and i've been watching every video on this subject, and been yelling these exact points made for years now! I mean, OF COURSE Benn made the best video possible on this exact subject. Grrrrr... I like colt capparune, but he really exposed himself with his backing of this Dolby ATMOS BS....
@firecloud77
6 ай бұрын
Listening to a stereo source using the "5ch Enhancer" mode on my old Yahama RX-V371 AVR sounds amazing on my home-built 5.1 speakers. I am perfectly happy with that configuration.
@j.d.4697
6 ай бұрын
Ever since I dug into stereo tech and the audiophile scene while researching for a new pair of headphones for gaming, I realized how much BS the audio industry tries to constantly sell you when quality stereo is still the best experience and all you need.
@TheNefastor
6 ай бұрын
Wealthy guy over here. And a tech nerd too. I bought a 5.1 system once, 15 years ago. I used it for about a year. Eventually I decided the rear speakers were an annoyance and reverted to stereo, on everything (PC and home theater). I've had plenty of friends come over to watch movies over the years. None of them ever asked me how many audio channels or speakers I've got. 99.999% of people don't care, it doesn't even enter their thoughts when watching something unless it has been, as you put it, force-fed to them by marketing. And keep in mind, we also all go to the movies sometimes, so we are routinely exposed to 5.1, THX, ATMOS, what have you. No one I know ever left the theater saying "damn, I gotta get that surround sound at home". It's not a matter of money. At our level, even hiring contractors to set that crap up in our living rooms would basically just mean our disposable income for the month is gone. It just doesn't feel necessary. I use a pair of studio monitors on every TV and computer I have, and it's just perfect. If you know what to buy, why, and how to install them, it's more than serviceable and it has the one advantage that means I'll never get beyond stereo: practicality. Stereo is the default. As you've illustrated, when you complicate audio, then comes all sort of setup issues and having to figure out media compatibility and which buttons to push on the remote. We have a limited amount of time on this Earth. When my buddies come over, the last thing I want is spend 30 minutes setting up the movie and then wondering throughout the movie whether it's really playing 5.1.2 or just 5.1. Seriously, can you imagine spending time with friends and then they tell you the evening was ruined because the sound system didn't have enough channels? I mean, perhaps if your friends are all sound engineers... 😁 Oh, and my headphones are wireless Bose. Because they are practical, they just work, and I like the sound of tech youtubers' voice in them. So, artists, if you want to mix for something, don't mix for stupid "head-tracking earbuds", mix for Bose. They are basically the most popular headphones among middle-class cadres with enough disposable income to pay for your music. Just saying.
@JessicaFEREM
5 ай бұрын
I bought a pair of used Bose QC15's and every song sounds excellent out of them.
@kidthorazine
5 ай бұрын
Nah Bose does way to much weird post processing shit to be "mixed for" effectively, we still need things to sound good through earbuds and car stereos.
@johnstone7697
4 ай бұрын
Amen, brother! Excellent video. We have yet to even take advantage of the spatial capabilities of regular 2 channel stereo. Properly recorded and played back it can provide an amazing soundstage with great depth. 4 channel stereo failed miserably because nobody wanted all that stuff in their listening room and very few people today even have a properly set up 5.1 HT system. Atmos is yet another attempt by Dolby to dominate the format wars. You'd think they would have learned their lesson. This, while more and more people are perfectly happy listening in mono over a Sonos speaker.
@clickykbd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying all the quiet parts out loud... Totally agree. I'm a cinema projectionist... while we don't have ATMOS in our 100+ year old historic theatre, I can see the place for such technologies in cinema experiences, especially with new LED wall screens (that are not transparent, so no channels can be located directly behind them). But as for at home, I still turn vinyl and have a two channel system for music. For films I tend to end up watching them with headphones to not disturb shared wall neighbors. If you want atmos or 7.1 at home for film, fine... but certainly there should be no expectation or hand-forcing for others to master their content for that system.
@kaitlyn__L
8 ай бұрын
I miss sound coming from behind the screen in cinemas :(
@panomaniac5399
6 ай бұрын
I was a cinema projectionist and enjoyed surround, up to a point. I also worked in a 100+ year old cinema where we had mono+surround. LOL. Hey it worked well, as long as I kept things aligned. Clear dialog and some nice surround effects.
@astrolopitekos
3 ай бұрын
I learned the hard way about acoustic physics when studying medical ultrasound devices as part of my degree. Still remember the professor trying to “explain” how the shapes of the probes affected the image reconstruction algorithms/equations. Derp. Quantum Mechanics was way easier.
@kennethduncan4643
2 ай бұрын
I know I'm late, but as I'm just getting back into putting music out, I'm glad I watched this . . . I will continue to mix for stereo. Maybe the need for ambisonic will come along, but not for me, not now.
@Ricochetmex
Жыл бұрын
I actually really liked the idea of object-based audio for mixing when I heard about Atmos, however I also fantasised about it being an open standard. If this were an open standard, would you like it? I would. I imagined the mixes adapting to the specific setup, a phone with a single speaker, a car with a bunch of speakers, a regular stereo and also headphones (with and without head tracking).
@JZStudiosonline
Жыл бұрын
You can do most of that with Ambisonics. Sort of. Ambisonics is still channel based, but if you're generating the audio there's a bunch of free plugins to make it behave like object based.
@editingsecrets
Жыл бұрын
@@JZStudiosonline I suppose you could do a WXYZ output of each track or stem. Sum all the W's for mono, add the X's for stereo, Y's for surround, Z to go full spatial.
@JZStudiosonline
Жыл бұрын
@@editingsecrets Huh? Why would you do that? Ambisonic creation in a DAW takes mono files and puts them in a spherical coordinate system. All you do is take the one output file and play it through a decoder for whatever your speaker setup is.
@editingsecrets
Жыл бұрын
@@JZStudiosonline I mean to remark about positioning individual objects using Ambisonic format rather than Atmos, if people wanted object positioned spatial audio mixing outside the world of Atmos licensing.
@victormuriel7266
5 ай бұрын
When I first started with this idea of a Home Theater Room, I already had stereo setup for music, which I still have, and also had the blessings (lucky or you name it) of having an empty room to begin with, I was 7.1 only back in 2018, after a few upgrades little by little, I replaced my receiver and add near ceiling speakers (at the end of the wall because...concrete walls) so I ended up having, now in 2024, a 7.1.4 system with 3 subwoofers and a tactile transducer system for my seats. And I can tell you one thing (or 2) For gaming, if the game is made to be played in Atmos, it will sound awesome. For movies, if you have the physical movie or a UHD Download, that was mixed in Atmos, it will also sound amazing.
@victormuriel7266
5 ай бұрын
Of I'm playing _"Atmos"_ from a streaming service it will definitely not sound as awesome as the disc or digital download. And I think I prefer the way movies on DTS:X are mixed 😅
@synthsandcats
Жыл бұрын
awesome video. happy to see a music producer be honest about this “new” technology rather than signing a deal and lying about it afterward.
@Y2Kvids
Жыл бұрын
The deal offer came in too late
@SqueakyNeb
5 ай бұрын
"Sorry if this sounded ranty" HUH? SORRY? Why would you be SORRY, this was PERFECT!
@owencmyk
Жыл бұрын
The funniest part is, as long as you're staying in the same spot anyway, you could literally just virtualize them to a stereo headphone mix.
@tungtobak
Жыл бұрын
Until they start selling more ears any sound can be folded down into a stereo headphone mix.
@owencmyk
Жыл бұрын
@@tungtobak Yeah, which is why I think it's really funny the way they advertise it like it's some kind of crazy revolutionary listening experience
@RobertWHurst
6 ай бұрын
The funny thing is - at least for those who are using headphones, binaural audio is the closest thing to 3D sound - the only difference is the positional audio is computed before it is encoded into a file, not at the speaker end.
@atbrenthor2792
4 ай бұрын
Really really great video. I sunk a pile of time and money into atmos for headphones and years later I just listen/watch everything in stereo. A good 2.1 setup or a good set of headphones playing a high bitrate file in stereo always just sounds better to me. Not to mention the hours of fucking around trying to make sure atmos/surround is even working. Everything is mixed for stereo. It's plug and play every time.
@fermitupoupon1754
5 ай бұрын
I've got a 5.1.2 setup at my PC and there is surprisingly little content that actually makes use of it. For the most part because games just don't do on-the-fly Dolby or DTS anything encoding. Most games if they advertise with Atmos or some other silly thing like that, it's just pre-rendered cutscenes that use it. Though quite a lot of games do actually support multi-channel audio and with a bit of configuring they can be made to ceiling channels. There are soundcards that do encode for Atmos or DTS on the fly, but no one really uses those. But for most games the question is more whether or not you can configure your speaker positions properly in Windows so it converts the object based sound in a game to channel based sound for the PCM stream. Things like Netflix tend to just dump a bitstream if the host OS is setup properly.
@brentdennard6722
4 ай бұрын
I thought I wasn't happy with my 2.1 HiFi rig, was contemplating expensive multichannel setups because surround sound is "finally here", I had my doubts. Thank you for saving me time and money on equipment and services that wouldn't really impress me! Great review.
@LucasBere
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! I’ve been underwhelmed with the application of Atmos whenever I’ve had the chance to experience it (I even got to listen in Dolby HQ…) and was definitely feeling gaslit, being told it was the future of audio and all of that. I think it’s great for theater setups and the like, but the consumer applications just don’t seem practical or worthwhile, at least from what I’ve experienced so far. And even in a side-by-side comparison in the best condition possible… I still preferred the stereo mix of a song 😅
@epmcgee
5 ай бұрын
I love how Dolby Atmos is being heralded as the right way to listen to music, but the real right way to listen to music is with the performer in front of you. Which will never sound like Dolby Atmos.
@SandyS0und
3 ай бұрын
To answer the Atmos + Wwise question. It has technically worked, but has been hard to justify putting enough time, energy, research, and you have to accept trade offs. Until recently, it has been very difficult to dictate which sounds are allowed to become audio objects, and when you have a hard limit of 12 audio objects with Wwise Atmos, and all audio object suddenly bypass many of your mixing steps, it becomes very difficult to execute on it correctly. Plus, all available spatial engines (Dolby, DTS, Sonic, and Playstation Tempest) have very different object counts. It becomes difficult to predict what the end result will be on every playform and set up. Double plus, it requires sound designers working on the game to have an Atmos capable set up which is expensive and space prohibitive
@belgo527
Жыл бұрын
Atmos dees frequencies
@Lagrangeify
6 ай бұрын
Man, all the fiery hoops one has to jump through just to hear those sounds the way the sound makers intended them to be heard. I'm not an audiophile per se, I'm far too poor. But I do like it quite a bit. But I gave up on this struggle a while back, for all the reasons you have covered. I love your work by the way fella, we're lucky to have you.
@Konrad-z9w
5 ай бұрын
I live in a rented apartment and the only reason to go above 2.1 would be if I moved into a bigger apt to actually create a home theatre room that's not used for anything else. And even the .1 sub I don't really use since I know the whole apt block would be listening in on it. It's simply unfair to your neighbors.
@chronicnugget5595
3 ай бұрын
DTS X on a nice set of open back cans with a proper DAC/Amp is the one and only time I've ever had one of these "virtual surround" gimmicks work. Playing BF2042 I can legitimately pinpoint direction and distance, it kind of blew me away. It's usefulness varies depending on the game but it was a freebie so I'm happy.
@rgp1989
5 ай бұрын
I'm a composer and producer and pretty much had exactly the same thoughts as you on this. However, I recently bought a new Macbook Pro and - without sounding like some kind of shill or Apple fanboy - using Atmos on its tiny speakers honestly made me think some kind of magic was involved. I have never used any sort of "virtualisation" or pseudo-surround feature that worked, but this somehow does and even sounds better than the 5.1 home theatre setup I have in some cases. I totally agree about the tech demo thing though and I don't actually prefer any of the Atmos mixes to the standard stereo ones, but I feel like I kind of get it now and I am impressed by it on a technical level
@Brando56894
4 ай бұрын
I researched this a lot when I bought my Marantz NR1609 about 6 years ago...after the LG SK9Y sound bar I had bought along with my LG 65" C8 kept refusing to stay in Atmos mode (it would trigger it and then about 30 seconds later drop down the Dolby TrueHD (or whatever the next level down is). I made sure that it supported both DTS X and Dolby Atmos. I bought a discrete 5.1.2 system and it sounds pretty great, I do have a 8-10 ft tall flat ceiling so the upfiring speakers work pretty well. I download "stuff" at the best quality I can, preferably Atmos. Until you said it I had no idea that DTS X is technically better, most files don't seem to come with it though, probably because Dolby is a way bigger player in the audio market than DTS is. I guess I'll set DTS X as a higher priority than Atmos now :)
@jafizzle95
6 ай бұрын
This is the problem with any sort of licensed, profit-driven standard. They want to push it onto absolutely everything while at the same time making it as difficult to use as possible.
@MrROTD
6 ай бұрын
I run an Old Yamaha Stereo Amp with some good tower speakers for music or movies, I dont feel like I need any more technology. Low Distortion and wide frequancy range in stereo is immersive enough for me and more important than having so many channels of audio.
@Phos9
4 ай бұрын
Back in probably 2012-ish I found out about ambisonics by way of the blue ripple audio system by way of it being included in Dirt 2 (which they didn’t need to do, that game’s audio is mostly pebbles bouncing off your car and engine noise), and this got me interested in the subject. So I managed to track down some recordings in B-format and got the harpex player working and even though the actual headphone settings weren’t in that version, I was actually pretty impressed by the soundstage it was able to create, so I get the impression that they’ve poorly implemented the technology and then used it a more as a buzzword instead of doing anything with it.
@LokNarash
5 ай бұрын
I sometimes use Atmos HRTF via HeSuVi over my standard beyerdynamic headphones. It is easy to set up, free, and one click to turn it on or off or switch to dozens of different HRTFs.
@SnackAttack77
5 ай бұрын
Awesome video, thanks for the brutal honesty, the internet needs more of it. Some of this stuff is excessive as hell. I've got an old Sony Blu-ray/surround 5.1 that's only being used as 2.1 because I'm too lazy to run the rear speakers through my attic.....and I actually really love just having the system run as a 2.1.
@tozzifan
5 ай бұрын
Watching this on a 2018 Sony TV with analog stereo line out (one of the last having that) and my trusty AKAI amp built in 1978. 2.0 setup - music sounds good and action movies too. Nothing to brag about, but I like it. Sometimes the boomer mindset is all you need.
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