There is a HUGE difference between making 1,500 hp on the dyno a few times and letting the trans brake go on sticky tires on a prepped track. There are also numerous situations where people have bent gen 3, gen 4, and aftermarket rods making much less than 1,500 hp. I'm not trying to discredit what you say , but engine building is not a one size fits all deal.....
@bartcomeau2855
2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos wish I would have found them earlier I built a gen 3 6.0 bottom end with gen 4 rods and pistons sloppy stage 2 cam and bought a sm465 from Novak conversions for my 04 Jeep rubicon my plan is to run a carb and an msd ignition controller just waiting for spring and warmer weather to do the installation
@Jonile2010
2 жыл бұрын
I did the 6.0 8718/sm465 it’s a stump puller . So much fun in my FSJ
@19Clutch69
2 жыл бұрын
Did you balance the assembly?
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Don't balance anything
@bluecollarhotrods9781
2 жыл бұрын
Gen IVs are good parts engines for a Gen III guy looking for upgrades, or to resell those parts to those that "gotta have it."
@toddlloyd9161
2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas to you too. Thank you for the good info. That helps alot.
@jonathankipps9061
2 жыл бұрын
A couple points -- A GM dealer technician can do a complete reflash on a e38. They can convert a truck e38 to a camaro manual-trans e38 AS LONG AS the part numbers match on both ecm's. All you need to do this is the VIN of the vehicle tune you want to use, and a knowledgeable dealer tech friend who's willing to do some stuff under the table. This complete reflash cannot be done with hptuners or other aftermarket software. Hptuners will allow you to adjust the base tune, but you can't change it out completely. Reflashing is needed if you're switching from a automatic to a manual, or are adding VVT to an engine that didn't originally have it. There are stand-alone cruise modules for gen4 engines. They cost several hundred bucks, but they work well. It's also possible to get cruise working by wiring in the body control module, but I don't recommend that for a beginner. If you do need to reflash, avoid the 2009 and earlier e38 ECM's. They had some instability issues that don't respond well to reflashes. By 2010, these issues were ironed out, and you can basically reflash all you want. It's definitely best to drop a complete gen4 package in as-is, and don't try to do manual trans swaps and other dumb stuff. If you want a manual trans, stick with gen3. But with a bit of research, a manual transmission can be paired with any gen4 engine. As a side note, I agree with you on the "NNNNBS" BS. Try to convince your viewers to use the more correct gmt400, gmt800, gmt900, gmt-k2, and gmt-t1 names instead. It will save everyone a lot of trouble in the future.
@mynameis63
2 жыл бұрын
Great info bud. Also...that whole obs shit drives me crazy...i always feel the need to butthurt people using that term as if they are in the know....oohhhhhh...you mean a GMT - 400. lol
@Whosurdaddy71
2 жыл бұрын
Found a steal on a Gen IV 5.3 for $600 with a flat lifter and cam of course. Came with full parts to fix and AFM and DOD delete. I’ll swap a Gen III harness and computer and call her a day. Win win.
@SHSPVR
Жыл бұрын
Ever hear of ACE fuel injection they have a really nice kit for LS and with Trans control build-in I hope get one for my 5.3l Gen 4 with 4L80E which getting a BTR Truck Norris cam along with DOD and VVT delete kit that going in my 1988 C2500 2WD.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
Жыл бұрын
I have heard of Aces, I'm actually looking forward to seeing some of their stuff in person
@HeadFlowInc
2 жыл бұрын
You vastly underestimate the power of Boost. I can’t wait to see how your truck turns out with Boost! JD
@prnd21turbo
2 жыл бұрын
I was swept up in the dream of putting an Ls in my 65 C10 . So, I went and purchased a LS3 with a Tremec 6 speed . It’s great . Sits on a pallet in my garage . Spent way to much . Should have just got a 5.3 and used the extra money to get a full suspension build . But no . I wish this guy was my neighbor or brother in law or friend or whatever. So yeah whatever. I’m cool , I have a LS3….
@LTXwooshie
2 жыл бұрын
Wanna sell it?
@jasonhull5712
2 жыл бұрын
Is it for sale ? Lol I am charging through that same process in my project. It's not that bad. Well besides we already spent the money. But there is info on them and you can end up with a really strong but reliable engine. I got an actual LS3 (6.2L from a F-body) and after some frustrating time spent on "KZitem" hunting for wiring info I finely went to google and started looking into the pinouts which are all available online and went through my stand alone harness and NEW HP tuners mpvi2, have a basic tune on it, Vats removed and just about ready to splice all the wires into the cab.. don't sweat it man. It's still a dam good engine, we just took a little harder path. Lol
@roadmasterk6019
2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive, this upload...
@luiscarrasquillo9743
17 күн бұрын
I currently have a 5.3 with cathedral 706! Do you think upgrading to 862 rectangular port with newer matching intake would be a gain?
@james10739
2 жыл бұрын
One of the best reasons I could see is if you were going to go LSA so you don't need the adapters which should keep it lower but also just better heads but I think those rec port heads might only be on the 6.0l I don't know
@xips420
2 жыл бұрын
Good video. Thank you!
@flagcityparts
2 жыл бұрын
gen 3 part availability is way easier to do swaps into c10,caprice, camaro, G-A bodies,s10 than the headaches involving a gen4. I know I've swapped multiple g bodies with a gen3. gen4 are a headaches when adding a supercharger because you basically have to beef up some factory internals because of DEATH ON DEMAND.. gen 4 is more prone to wtf is that loud tapping sound getting louder, OH wait it's my cam killing itself do to design flaws..
@Mike-xt2ot
Жыл бұрын
Hypereutectic pistons are much stronger than people give them credit for. Ive personally seen them hold up to an entire season of beating hard on them and during seasonal refresh maintenance look good. Were they not so inexpensive id use them for another season.
@BMMW3
Жыл бұрын
Thinks
@robertmjr7996
2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas!
@rksg2003
2 жыл бұрын
Part number for the rectangular port heads jr mentioned?
@bigredracer7848
2 жыл бұрын
first 👍's up DE thanks for sharing Merry Christmas to you and yours into your viewers
@HandMadeWrath
Жыл бұрын
@7:50 where u get a $220 engine?
@Snow-qz8xc
Жыл бұрын
junkyard, find one that spins and the block isnt shot and your solid
@H00K-KING
2 жыл бұрын
Can you put Gen 4 rods and pistons on a Gen 3 crank without balancing them?
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Sure
@Snow-qz8xc
Жыл бұрын
some later gen 3s have gen 4 rods im pretty sure my l33 does
@everythangchevy
2 жыл бұрын
Nice informative video! Do you have an email I could contact you at? I kinda have a detailed question? It's about Gen 3 &4 6.0L swaps
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
FB Group is your best bet, facebook.com/groups/887277178144274
@Stevesbe
2 жыл бұрын
F AFM /DOD
@diduck6878
2 жыл бұрын
What about bragging rights? What about male Ego's?😅🤣😂
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's why I tell those people to just tell people whatever they think sounds best, she's all bored and stroked, fully built, got dem gen MCXVIII rods and everything sun!
@19Clutch69
2 жыл бұрын
Can you install gen iv heads on a gen iii block?
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@transamfreak78
2 жыл бұрын
I agreed %100. I bought my 5.3 (00 Yukon) for $500 that someone else pulled, $40 for an 411 that supposedly had VATS deleted but didn't, $140 for a reworked harness off someone's crawler (soked in mud). Bought a $30 starter from B&R Autowrecking, an ls3 style cam for $80 off buttfacebook marketplace, slapped it together on the floor got it to pop off. 2 years later its in my 75 T/A and still fine tuning it with HPTuners, long story short.
@ernestorodriguez8228
2 жыл бұрын
Thats awesome man 👍
@The_R-n-I_Guy
2 жыл бұрын
I don't like all the electronic crap on newer engines. I just want the basics. No vvt or afm or anything like that
@quentintraywick1524
2 жыл бұрын
I can admit. My 5.3/6l80 gen 4 swap was way more problematic than my gen3 6.0/4l80 swap..but on the plus side. As of Xmas 2021. They both are running fantastic
@abaker821
Жыл бұрын
Did you use the factory harness
@SHSPVR
Жыл бұрын
@@abaker821 I'm plan going for the ACE fuel injection Jackpot Pro LS W/Trans Control that cover Reluctor Wheel 24x and 58x and cover Drive By Wire and Drive By Cable.
@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915
9 ай бұрын
This is a great video and while I only disagree with 1 single point, it's not really a point that you made in your video, so I will state mine here. In regards to an Aluminum 4.8/5.3, I would go GenIV all day long, especially if I wanted big HP, as the blocks are stronger (ie. Bore support webbing etc). For an Iron Block 4.8/5.3, I would go Gen III, as it will be the cheapest. In terms of a 4.8/5.3 Iron vs Aluminum, for me it comes down to: If I am going to use stock (or cleanup over) bore and want weight savings, I go Gen IV Aluminum. If I am buying pistons anyway, and want to build a poor man's LS1/6, I choose Iron...and for the price of a cheap set of SCAT or Eagle Rods, I would replace all Gen III Rods no matter what (for peace of mind) or only run Late Gen III/Gen IV OEM Rods with new fasteners (again, for peace of mind). The rest of your video makes 100% sense and I appreciate you taking the time to make it.
@OGbqze
2 жыл бұрын
I hope to see some of those signs you made hung up all over the shop.
@mynameis63
2 жыл бұрын
Additional info: Some late year 04 6.0 litre trucks have gen 4 rods. The most surefire way to identify difference between gen 3 and 4. Cam position sensor on timing chain cover for gen 4 packages...also color of crank trigger sensor. gen 3 24 tooth reluctor are black...gen 4 58 tooth are tan color. You are 100 % correct that gen 4 rods aren't required, unless building a boosted application. They are however preferred if you can get them. I have a small hoard...lol
@member57
2 жыл бұрын
I have a gen 3 6.0 waiting transplant into my G10 van. I also have my wrecked 08 Silverado with a gen 4 waiting to go into 1965 C10 after I delete the afm/ dod crap. Sometimes you use what you got. Since I have the salvage from my totaled 08, I'm going to use it.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
I'd use it if I had it too. I just wouldn't drive across four states and pay double for it lol.
Thanks for the advise on my sons Envoy 5.3 swap into his 80 Firebird, I stayed with the stock computer and it worked fine, just a little learning curve. I’ve been looking at a 6L90e behind my 502 injected motor in my camper. It has a 58x crank sensor and 4x cam sensor and I was thinking about the E38 computer and transmission controller, seems like I got a lot more homework to do. I agree about the Gen 4 6.0 or 6.2 being the only worthwhile swaps, but too expensive for my blood unless I can find one with a bad crank I can swap for a 4.8 crank and do a short stroke turbo motor to kill low end torque and it’s fun to rev them up to the moon
@davebarron5939
2 жыл бұрын
I went gen 3, 6.0 simply because I had my old one ton van that had it in it, along with computer etc, etc, I have nearly all installed and complete. Just have to get a Y pipe and O2 sensors, fill all fluids and do a pre-start then make some noise. I went Speartech wiring and controls, mostly because I wanted my OEM GM cruise control stalk on the column. The nice thing is, my "van" computer was able to handle all of it. Thanks JR.
@luiscarrasquillo9743
17 күн бұрын
As usual, you just answered my guessing. Been wondering about this ever since I put together my swap. Thanks!
@nathanielbolden5053
2 жыл бұрын
I'm with you brotha but I have a gen 4 and it hasn't been too expensive to delete the dod stuff thanks to ICT billet!...lifters timing kits etc...fairly cheap much cheaper than the 86 roller 307 im also building!...man that thing costs lol!
@texasstreettunes1310
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt skip gen iv for a gen v unless it was being kept stock, the gen v is a even bigger headache and port injection has better fuel cooling and is still by far easier to work on but gen 3 is just too simple/cheap to pass up.
@xrsroofingsolutionscanada2151
Жыл бұрын
Just bought a ly5 07-09 5.3 for $350. Came as a complete motor and wiring harness. Where I live in Canada LS motors are way overpriced (1500-2500) even in an old shit box. Should be interesting putting this in my 97 obs.
@hardball107
2 жыл бұрын
Defiantly agree but don't listen to me, just keep buying those Gen IV engines and I'll keep the Gen III's. I've been swapping for 7 years now, everything from bone stock to 500 hp 5.3's punched out to 5.7's. You're not going to hurt any Gen III's, even the alloy engines if you're running NA which I believe most of us are. Even the reworked harnesses and flashed PCM's run just fine. I buy all the Gen III stuff I can find, mostly 5.3/4.8 pieces, only found one 6L but I'm never going near a 4L60 again unless the engine is bone stock. Once you get to the point you think you need the Gen IV bottom end your costs start to escalate and a turbo might be cheap but the trans to handle it isn't.
@augienajera642
2 жыл бұрын
Great Info there!!! Yeah I'm still adventuring in my old A.. Big Block gen 4 454 and that thing hasn't see the day of light for a while now!! Keep those Video's coming!!!
@LSswapGarage1
2 жыл бұрын
I need to start sending you some rec ports haha. Gen IV are in the self serve yards here and so the heads are those 50 dollar each type deals. Even my higher priced yard will sell the heads complete along with the rec port intake for around that 200 dollar mark. You can do cruise with a gen iv but it requires a bunch of garbage like Dakota digital to do it. I am the same way.... Gen 3 are the easy swap solution. I have one Gen IV swap that is my own truck and it's stupid... is what it is. Oh and for fun! If the intake valves in your rec ports are shot like my one set the usual is hop on like Rock auto and buy new valves... don't! The cheap solution is GM... I spec'd intake valves for an 09 Savanna's LY6 and what do you know... my local dealer was $8 CAD a valve and the wholesale one I can pull from ( but it costs me shipping so it's not worth it in this case) was around $6.50 CAD a valve. $64 later I have new OEM GM valves lol.
@Mike-xt2ot
Жыл бұрын
This mans intelligence on engines is second to no one. Pay attention and save thousands of wasteful spending.
@erik120719
2 жыл бұрын
I just had to convert my gen3 lq4 to work in my 09 Silverado. What fun, had to change reluctor wheel to 58x and a 4x cam gear and relocate the knock sensors. Went with the 243 heads and intake from the gen 4 5.3 that was in the truck. Hopefully get to fire up end of this week!
@erik120719
2 жыл бұрын
Wired and fired up! Tuning still but it's an animal and I still haven't gotten tires to grip! Smoked all 4 thru 2nd.gear on semi wet ( sand and salted ) highway. kzitem.info/news/bejne/q6Wnyp53hJx4lKQ
@james10739
2 жыл бұрын
But can't you run a gen 4 off a gen 3 harness you just have to move like the cam sensor wiring and a couple other things
@carguy3028
2 жыл бұрын
I run a gen 3 lq4, I’m sure you know this but you can bolt on rectangle port heads on your gen3 6.0. I went with ported 243 heads, I mainly wanted the increased compression and didn’t feel the head swap alone was worth the work. I use a tbss intake, 90mm drive by wire throttle, with an adapter that plugs into the harness. My ideal build if i were doing it today would be a Rec port head 6.0 or 408, and I would have changed the pistons to get the compression up. I didn’t know about the issues you pointed out in the gen4 engines. I did the swap in 2010 and then gen3 engines cost as much as the gen4 today. I paid $800 for my 6.0 and I ended up rebuilding it.
@rickyheck6780
2 жыл бұрын
LQ4 came with various heads and chevy test Gen 4 LQ9 on the LQ4 Gen 3... I own an 04 Gen 3 LQ4 out of a 04 escalade and I have ret port heads... It has 32,000 miles on it and I'm putting it into my 94 chevy silverado...
@abaker821
Жыл бұрын
I have a 2011 suburban donor that I want to swap into 83 Cadillac. I’m trying to figure how to use factory harness
@TheDrivewayEngineer
Жыл бұрын
Whole video was wasted on you lol. I never use Gen IV shit. Ever.
@gerardolopez5875
2 жыл бұрын
2001 blue/ red pcm, with drive by wire,, Would work on dive by cable harness,,,, with just tune?
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@360streets
2 жыл бұрын
Hey sir , question I’m trying to swap my nbs Silverado.. trying to figure out what can I use , need your opinion.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
A swap like that, the easiest thing to do is always just use the same year stuff
@haydenrivette9631
4 ай бұрын
only one thing was said wrong, some 05-07 sierra/silverados where gen 4
@TheDrivewayEngineer
4 ай бұрын
Having what people call Gen IV rods doesn't make a Gen IV engine. 0 05-06 Silverados had Gen IV engines.
@DillonHoopes
2 жыл бұрын
Gen 3 is definitely a simpler and cheaper way to go, for me tho I am running a single turbo gen 4 LY5 with T56 swapped into a BMW so Holley was needed with a CAN conversion box to convert all my CAN signals and control PWM fans and to retain all factory A/C control, also using LS3 DBW. It is not a cheap swap be any means but it was fun, and Holley is challenging which makes it more rewarding in my opinion.
@xruninslick
2 жыл бұрын
What model, and what conversion box. I'm gathering stuff to swap a e46.
@floridaroadracerguy
2 жыл бұрын
Those are called I beam
@aaronanderson6892
Жыл бұрын
My 13' Silverado came with the L20 engine. 4.8,it is flex fuel, 799 heads, no afm, no vvt, 4L60...
@TheDrivewayEngineer
Жыл бұрын
Changes absolutely nothing
@aaronanderson6892
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer it's contrary to what you said about all gen4 4.8's having all that stuff. Only 5.3 and bigger engines had those options. Aside from all that, if gen 4 engines are the better as you and the internet say they are, but you shy away from them due to electrical difficulties... Then why not just swap the reluctors for free to the 24x ??? That in fact, would change everything, absolutely everything, on ones engine options.
@BadmunkyWRX
Жыл бұрын
The Gen 4 is a great engine if you can get one for a decent price. I scored a gen 4 with a good 6l80, harness, PCM, and everything I need to make it run with just over 100k on it for $1,050. And the engine has all the accessories as well as the starter still on it. Its a 5.3 but with nothing more than a cam, headers, a good exhaust system, and a good tune, it will make about 400hp and 400tq at the crank. So it should be good for around 300hp at the wheels. Is it more expensive than a gen 3? Yes. But if your like me and you want that 6 speed trans over the 4 speed then its 100% worth that extra cost to go to a gen 4 engine. And Holly just released support for the 6L80 / 6L90 trans. So if you don't want to deal with the stock PCM you no longer have to. One of the big things to me though is finding a gen 3 that does not have 250k on it is getting harder and harder as they are older engines. So finding a gen 3 thats a good runner is not as easy as it used to be. Most will need work, many need a full rebuild. But Gen4s will around 100k miles are much easier to find these days. So to me the gen 4 with its lower miles, and better 6 speed trans is the way to go over the gen 3.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
Жыл бұрын
Literally never ever ever one time going to touch a Gen IV engine. And have never checked the mileage of any engine I've used, or cared, or replaced a single bearing.
@BadmunkyWRX
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer My buddy put a Gen # in his CJ7 2 years ago and it ended up with Rod knock on start up. He had to pull it out and rebuild it. My other buddy used a gen4 engine with a gen 3 harness and computer because that's what he already had in the vehicle. Just delete the DOD and they are solid engines.
@SHSPVR
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer You never checked the mileage🤣🤣 that dumb every gen 3 I have run across was so worn out and with 300,000 miles and literally covered with oil are the ones you want to stay away from I'm sure you heard the current over maintenance granite they may be cheaper but in the long run you're gonna end up spending more money getting the machine work done unless you're the kind of guy that just wants to go blow it up on the weekend racing scene.
@chriscampbell5624
2 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up. My 08 4.8 did not have DOD from the factory. Not sure if that changed in the later 4.8's. I went to tune it and DOD was deselected in the ecu. I looked around and found out the 4.8 was the only engine in 08 without DOD. Awesome content JR! Congrats on the new venture! Your videos are a must watch!
@DillonHoopes
2 жыл бұрын
Yea some gen 4s did not comes with DOD, I believe it was some of the 4wd trucks. I used a GM non DOD gen 4 valley cover to delete mine.
@chriscampbell5624
2 жыл бұрын
@@DillonHoopes You are right. Mine is a 4.8 4x4 crew cab. Needs a turbo so bad but not quite ready to do the 4l80 swap and the 60e is tempered glass.
@jamesgeorge4874
2 жыл бұрын
No 4.8 has DOD.
@deanm4138
2 жыл бұрын
Great video Jr lots of useful info to think about . Merry Christmas to you and your family
@wayne3546
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll choose a GEN 4 over 3 any day I’ll be able to harnesses
@eazyrider6122
2 ай бұрын
I gotta Gen3 5.7L
@andriosz
2 жыл бұрын
I wish somebody made affordable transmission controllers for all these newer trannys. I've heard people are using ZF 7 speed dual clutch from BMW in some swaps.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure at some point they will as prices fall
@andrer3854
2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of gm cars that share the same pcm / tcm part# as gen 4 truck engines. I had a gen 4 tcm that was busted with the pull out Got the same tcm out of a malibu and had it reflashed running good still. Just in case anyone looking for gen 4 tcm / pcm.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Cobalts, G5's, right up to Corvettes sometimes
@billbraski2175
2 жыл бұрын
Your the man buddy. I think you have to hold a record for the most hp made per dollar.
@tomfrymoyer4351
2 жыл бұрын
Nope, thats Matt Happle all day
@billbraski2175
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomfrymoyer4351 yes matt is the og
@thesetwohands6982
2 жыл бұрын
I love the knowledge thank you I am new to the ls world been a diesel guy for a long time. but I am building a 06 lq4 stroking it to a 408 turbo Holley terminator x at this point. 4l80 transmission and putting it in a 78 Jeep J10 that was my grandpas so there is the story. I found a crank that I like and it doesn't come with a 24x reluctor wheel can I just change the reluctor wheel out I know they make a timing tool, and continue or should I just switch everything over to the 58 since I am purchasing a aftermarket ecu, harness etc. this isn't a budget build per say just looking for the simplest way to take a 58x crank and put it in my block. or am I out of my mind? I just subscribed trying to learn everything I can. I am building it on my channel and am looking for all the help I can get. thanks for the info
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Why are you trying to put a 58x crank in a Gen III engine? Even with the Terminator, just use the 24x crank, there's no reason to go to a 58x trigger
@thesetwohands6982
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer The crank I want isn't offered in a 24x it only apears to come in a 58x so I was asking if I could then just put a billet one piece 24x reluctor on that crank and use it. I may be able to special order it without the 58x. just trying to speed the process up and not wait months on another company to do a 1h job. thank you sir.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
@@thesetwohands6982 ah I see. Yes you can swap reluctors, the cranks are the same otherwise
@jayinmi3706
2 жыл бұрын
I seem to remember being told that "Gen 4" rods started in late '03...And from what I could see in my '03 6.0, it looks to have them.
@ictcarguy3162
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, there was overlap where gen 4 rods were on 24x crank engines but it is the exception.
@LSswapGarage1
2 жыл бұрын
They started way back in 2001... as a 2002 model year being the LQ9. Every single LQ9 GM made has the full floating pin heavy duty rod. It was one of the highlights GM marketing noted as an upgrade the Escalade's 6 liter on release. People very easily forget. Does an 03 model year have full float rods in it? Doubt it... not to mention at 18 years old who knows if it's original anymore.
@jayinmi3706
2 жыл бұрын
@@LSswapGarage1 Mine is allegedly a high mileage LQ4 (and the inside looks like it), but I don't have the donor truck anymore to verify it was the original engine. My HP goals don't really worry me if I'm wrong and they aren't 4th gen rods, full floating or not. Thanks for the info.
@teabag402
Жыл бұрын
Dont know why I'm asking, glutton for punishment probably lol. What do you think of the gen 3 ecu and harness with the gen 4 motor and a lingenfelter converter box? I was given a gen 4 short block and have a blown gen 3 and was thinking of using gen 4 block, 862 heads, gen 3 intake and ecu. Proceed to light me up 🤣
@Pragmatist1st
Жыл бұрын
I'm a driveway/KZitem/DIY mechanic as well. Simpler and cheaper is better. I don't drag race, so I don't care about a few HP (
@SOLDOZER
10 ай бұрын
Get a SBC crate engine and you wont have all the LS headaches.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
10 ай бұрын
got dam rite hoss dat ole fo bolt mayne sumbitch yeeeeaaaawww
@SOLDOZER
10 ай бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Das rite muh couzin Daryl can build a mean three fiddy!1
@justinvanburen8259
2 жыл бұрын
Nice truth!! Gen 3 all the way!! But a lot of people will never listen to you or me b/c they saw something on GOOGLE, Facebook or Instagram that says this is better or that is better like 243’s are the best heads!!! Lol I think people just like to over pay for shit!! Not me!!
@joshstaley7459
2 жыл бұрын
i bought a 2008 gmc 2500 van for 500 bucks, i drove it home and cut the cats off an made my money back. my dad pulled the motor why i was out of town and he didn’t pull the pedal
@fivepointeightnate
2 жыл бұрын
I like the Gen4 stuff, aluminum block, vvl, and 6 speed. Bought a whole truck for $3400 and use EFI Live for full control over the Variable Valve and 6L80e and DOD deleted of course. It may cost a few grand more but honestly when you are talking 80+ hours of labor into a build money really isn't the issue. In the end you have a LOT better truck and worth much more.
@Mike-xt2ot
Жыл бұрын
I just got an 03 trailblazer ext with the aluminum lm4. Im doing a diet on the trailblazer. Cutting it up to see how quick i can go just by extreme weight reduction. Very fun project !
@MUCKFOOT399
Жыл бұрын
can I come over?
@averagemodeler
2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Gen III it is for my next hotrod, unless its a ford.
@OOICU812
2 жыл бұрын
You can 'LS swap' a Ford, ya know.
@shawnwimberly9294
2 жыл бұрын
Affordable power! Gen 3 for the win
@242bleek
2 жыл бұрын
There's still nothing wrong with gen 4's. The cars they came in are more desirable and don't look as dated therefore people are holding on to them. Likely nothing will ever beat the value of an lkq special lm7. The E38 is a nightmare to tune, VVE takes alot of time to learn but with higher resolution is more capable in the right hands. Gen 3 and Gen 4 are similar enough that you can't really start a huge debate about this, everything literally interchanges. Pick the heads and relcuctor that suit you and call it a day, the rest is trivial.
@waynered9
2 жыл бұрын
I bought an 07 lh6 for $200. For that price, it'll sit in my stash, until I decide to do another swap
@niksswanton427
2 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to put a rebuilt gen 3 6.0 in my jeep jk and some people think I should have gone w/ gen 4
@davidreed6070
Жыл бұрын
I talked to you on this thread about a year ago. I went with an ly6, it is na now and it is nasty. Although it has a camshaft specced for a turbocharged application this spring it will be. I'll cross my fingers and hope it doesn't pop.
@Kelvinbellrose
3 ай бұрын
Gen 3
@The3chordwonder
2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas to you and your family JR. Great video explaining the differences. I would add that at least for the LQ4, the early 99/2000 had the long crank flange, which is expensive to remedy unless running an older style auto trans. I think the 4L80's will run fine though -- they just don't use the spacer that they apparently put on the 2001+ LQ4's. I also read the early LQ4's ran a very wimpy stock cam, which is probably meaningless to 99% of people, but if you plan on doing a dirt cheap no-cam-swap deal, then it might not be worth it for the early blocks. I don't know exactly when, but at some point in time they redesigned the rear oiling setup of the LQ4. In my early model, there are two holes and a solid block off plate. In later blocks, they cast in a groove which helps with oiling. For those that "must have" the gen 4 rods/pistons mated to their gen 3 crank, the balance will be off by quite a bit which depending on who you ask, means expensive machine shop work. I'm sure you probably already know all of this, but adding it in case others stumble on this.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
That crank flange doesn't matter at all, you can run any auto behind it
@The3chordwonder
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer My problem is that if you are running an AR5 adapter, you either need to buy an expensive offset flywheel, or if you grab a later engine with the shallow flange, then just a regular old LS flywheel works. I'm not sure if this affects the T56/TR6060 or not though - those trannys are too spendy for me!
@jonathankipps9061
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer It gets troublesome for manual swaps. There's almost no one making an aftermarket flywheel to fit it, and when you can find one, it costs several hundred dollars. If I had one of those that I wanted to use with a manual transmission, I would seriously consider pulling the crank and seeing if a local machine shop could shorten it a little.
@sanchez_lsx1198
2 жыл бұрын
I use gen 3 and gen 4 ls engines but I stick with 24x gen 3 computers and stand alone harness, the gen4 stuff with dbw and computers are too sensitive with sensors and whatnot.
@jasonjennings5833
2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas man.
@chadmcreynolds3963
2 жыл бұрын
I have an 09 savanah 3500 I’m swapping into my 89 Silverado, with a cam, sounds like I’m in for some fun, I’ll do the vvt delete, hopefully I can get this going
@enermaxstephens1051
2 жыл бұрын
So the floating pin rods/pistons would be the ones to have, right? Less resistance and friction should mean more power and longer lasting.
@dantuominen2086
2 жыл бұрын
Great info as always JR. Except I had to pee bad after that background trickle
@frankhagar4651
2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas, thanks for the rundown,good to know these things just by watching your channel, thanks again
@deborahhallett2505
2 жыл бұрын
Again thank you,Both my swaps done your way kiss method they start,run and drive without fail and smooth!!
@rudde67ssm62
2 жыл бұрын
I like the gen 3 LS1 engines myself. Hard to find in descent shape these days tho.
@petereber4963
2 жыл бұрын
How do I get a hold of you? I have some questions for you
@adamreynolds1851
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the input and how tos and advice on keeping the cost down on this stuff
@dickmick5517
2 жыл бұрын
You are off on the power a rectangle port head makes. (150 more hp to the wheels?) Here are the dyno numbers. kzitem.info/news/bejne/optsk2WmsKJ4rHY On a 6L with a cam; Rectangle port made 19HP and 7 lb ft more torque Cathedral port heads made 19 more lb-ft than the rectangle ports at 3200 rpm. A little less driveway and some more Engineering facts please.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
On that particular engine, sure. On my particular engine, no.
@thewoodsman5261
2 жыл бұрын
I know this is about gen3 and gen4's but there's a 99 camaro Z28 with a complete ls1 engine and trans sitting at at a Kenny U-Pull yard in Ontario not to far from you if you know anyone looking. Doesn't deserve to be crushed and recycled.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Ontario is super far from me 😂
@obfuscated3090
Жыл бұрын
What's the lowest cost parts combo to use a Gen IV long block in a Gen III application? I like many get donors so cheap I'd hate to waste a Gen IV.
@TheDrivewayEngineer
Жыл бұрын
Sell Gen IV, buy Gen III have money left over
@dustinsamson4879
2 жыл бұрын
Nice conten! Merry Christmas to you and your family!
@kevinhumphrey932
2 жыл бұрын
I believe I have found a 2013 or 2014 6.0 that's a core 400 bucks can the 411 pcm be programmed to recognize the crank sensor ring
@TheDrivewayEngineer
2 жыл бұрын
Nope
@mr88lx
2 жыл бұрын
Off topic, how big is your garage?
@wayne3546
2 жыл бұрын
I’m driving I also build wiring harnesses and now I’m on Jen v
@toryneald234
2 жыл бұрын
Great info for me...I just wanna get in a shread some tires.
@dbc105
2 жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for the explanation.
@anthonyhitch3428
2 жыл бұрын
I am now even happier with my free LM7 ;)
@T.JBoydRacing
2 жыл бұрын
Do u have 1 extra gen 4 rod an pistion for 6L u will sale? #7
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