Thank you this is why I read the comments before watching.
@lindagauntt4712
4 ай бұрын
Elon Musk is my GENIUS🌟🚀🌟🌛🌟
@EnricoGolfettoMasella
4 ай бұрын
Thanks! Disliking the video!
@Fatpumpumlovah2
4 ай бұрын
Believe the tiles and clip system is fine... |We have to remember the ship was spinning the entire way down and when upside down where the pressure would have gone under the edge tiles they still didnt fly off.. On normal entry all the tiles would be pressing against the body and hold even harder. in addition even though the ship came in many times with the non shielded part of the ship experiencing plasma and until we lost video didnt even change color, what broke the ship apart was it tumbling, not any failure of the heat shields.
@billotto602
4 ай бұрын
No matter what, I pray for their success. God bless Elon Musk & all the folks at SpaceX ! 🙏♥️🙏♥️🙏♥️ 🫡 🇺🇸
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
So do I
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
One of the clearest pictures of the Heat Shield Metal Pins I have seen - it looks to me like the design of the pins locking mechanism could be substantially improved, compared to its current configuration. It seems to me that the pins should be shaped more like a Xmas tree.
@Vortiloner
4 ай бұрын
Why don't they just spray it with Flexseal?
@indycargordonross2733
4 ай бұрын
I should add, that I was for decades, a microlight aircraft designer and was President of Scotland's Spaceflight society. I've designed hypersonic reentry concepts for JPL and even a design for a proposed space station escape craft for the ISS.
@antonnym214
4 ай бұрын
The problem with tiles is the same as with all ceramics. They are brittle. What we need is some extraterrestrial technology that is flexible and in one piece, like a blanket. Materials scientists must be working on this. More power to them.
@lindagauntt4712
4 ай бұрын
Elon Musk and the rest of the guys do a great job👍👍🌟🚀🌟
@notozknows
4 ай бұрын
I'd say make it into a sheet, with wire, like tiles are connected. Almost like 'chicken wire' where they wont fly off because they are all connected together. with the super adhesive they use.
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
This video is quite a good overview and recap about the heat shield.
@davidroberts5602
4 ай бұрын
Hi guys thanks for the updates on star ship yes 👍 the tiles are a problem which is ongoing David 🇬🇧👌🙏👍🚀
@brucespicer5064
4 ай бұрын
Time to give up on ceramic tiles, start using a heatshrink blanket. This will use a flat thread that releases cold when it is heated.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Great idea!
@kevinm3751
4 ай бұрын
Its clear to me that the pin contact holes are in fact the problem. The fact there is zero damage to them from tiles found says one thing loud and clear. Because they are not damaged says the contact between the pins and the holes is not strong. Otherwise there would be damage on the tiles that came off.
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
The video at 11:44, shows the locking plates, but also I see some pins missing. Pattern of two, instead of a pattern of three. I spotted two instances of this.
@TheRenePirovano
4 ай бұрын
Since plasma can be manipulated electrically and magnetically. I expect that the newer tiles will do something with this. For example, closed coils under the tiles so that the plasma is pushed away from the hull. In this way, a spacecraft can descend faster.
@rays2506
4 ай бұрын
There is no "cooling system" on the Starship stainless steel hull that requires fuel to run. The thermal protection system is entirely passive, i.e. only the tiles are used. There are no moving parts on the Starship TPS. Wrong. The Space Shuttle was launched 135 times with 133 successful flights from launch to landing. The two disasters (Challenger in 1986 and Columbia in 2003) were not caused by the tiles. The tiles performed exactly as designed to protect the Orbiter from overheating during those 133 successful flights. The surface of the tiles is purposely kept smooth. A rough surface can trigger turbulent flow in the boundary layer that could increase the heating experienced by the tiles.
@Fatpumpumlovah2
4 ай бұрын
Hmmm, what about making the gap between the tiles a little larger and in this gap use Aerogel (which is flexible)
@rodjelen3883
4 ай бұрын
So I think that at this level of development.(where we are).. it is stupid to install heat tiles... Period💙✌️
@mathman1475
4 ай бұрын
The stainless steel is also much better than aluminum at higher temperatures. It can’t even come close to withstanding the plasma temperatures but every little bit helps.
@kikahastarmade5299
4 ай бұрын
One good thing about those collectors scouring the beaches, they do the cleaning of said beaches. :D
@maq6144
4 ай бұрын
Great detail
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
My honor, thanks
@tedtessitore355
4 ай бұрын
I have been wondering if by actually building a plasma cloud around the ship to somehow shield the ship by transferring the energy to an energy storage system yet to come?
@ethercreatures
4 ай бұрын
Tile issue is subtle resonance.
@CharlesByrd-vl9ld
3 ай бұрын
Spray Tantalum hafnium carbide in liquid form over the tiles
@RoBear-xo6zw
3 ай бұрын
The different thermal properties may be the Achilles heel… Tiles are mission critical only for re-entry. For the moon mission, the lunar lander does not need to return to Earth and neither will the tankers need to… The re-entry Starship can remain in low orbit around the earth, etc… with the lunar lander acting as the ferry… So, only double down on the heat shield for the re-entry vehicle in low earth orbit, and handle whatever extra mass required for safe re-entry tiles… Meanwhile, keep up the tile story research 🎉 Reliable, rapid reusability, comes later 🎉 There needs to be at least two lunar landers, with one in lunar orbit for rescuing
@mieczyslawherba2723
4 ай бұрын
Tungsten melting point 3000 C degrees. If starship (not booster) would be made of Tungsten from outside, it would cost approximately 20-30 million USD more, but any protective tiles from outside wouldn't be necessary at all (very expensive labour, tiles). Tungsten shouldn't melt during reentry, and heat protection could be applied from inside, much easier to do. Also stainless steel with high percentage of Tungsten could resolve the problem. I have some other ideas how to protect Starship from heating during reentry. Good luck, Elon, you are on the right track!
@colincampbell767
4 ай бұрын
Won't work. Metals conduct heat really well and the tungsten may not melt - but the structure it's supposed to be protecting will. And mixing the tungsten with the steel won't work because the iron will still melt. (At 1000F structural steel loses 70% of it's strength.) The melting point isn't as important as how much strength it retains at the temperatures it will be subjected to during re-entry.
@GalacticFederationofLight
4 ай бұрын
Design cooling nano bots (How?) to be installed in the tiles, to regulate distribution of cooling gel to needed areas?
@El-Ge
4 ай бұрын
Let us wait and see. Hoping this time it does work.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Hopefully
@germanpabloalanis4580
4 ай бұрын
I thing may be there is another form for the tile like the scutoid (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scutoid) but NOT an individual form for each tile, perhabs each tile has the form of a regular group of scutoids. And its bounds fit with its neighbor to get blocked.
@colincampbell767
4 ай бұрын
There needs to be space between the tiles to account for thermal expansion.
@germanpabloalanis4580
4 ай бұрын
@@colincampbell767 with a proper gap between sides will solution that and in the limit the couplig will enforce all the grid together. I think the vibration its a worst scene, a anchor system like Anti-theft EAS PIN mechanism will be better but for thermal issues and complexity may not work at all. May be in the current pin mechanist needs to all three point make force together insted one by one sujection point
@roboticintelligenceunit1a652
4 ай бұрын
Why u do that fake loading circle????
@mikeehrmantraut2607
4 ай бұрын
and i thought my internet had a hickup. but youre right!
@ethercreatures
4 ай бұрын
The best pivotable move SpaceX made is abandoning carbon fiber.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
❤️❤️❤️❤️
@carlosfester
4 ай бұрын
Why not a entire piece around the noose as example? better to fit together, it ensures that pieces do not come loose and in the end, being made of the same material and thickness, it has the same weight and less points to attach them to the structure. Nowadays I believe it is possible to make an entire piece of this type that just fits onto the ship, literally like a book cover and this allows it to be reused and easily inspected for damage.
@CarlAyers-x8h
4 ай бұрын
Why not just put all the tiles on a net?So that it can rap the ship, like a glove. No adhesive required. Smaller tiles. For flexibility like chain mail..? A spacesuit for a spaceship. A one piece garment.
@scottbrown7849
4 ай бұрын
perhaps larger - full segments - moulded tiles would do. A full nose cone cover. One for each fin. Front 1/2. Back half. Ok, going around more than 180' of the ship in one single mould. Shucks! Why don't they just 3D print a heat shield around each craft?
@colincampbell767
4 ай бұрын
First of all - I doubt that billets of rigid ceramic foam can even be made that large and not have them collapse under their own weight while drying - or even survive being moved from the mold to the dryer. Second of all a tile that large would shatter from thermal stress and it heats up in the kiln.
@pedrosura
4 ай бұрын
The Big Solution should be lauded after flight test. Until then its just an idea, a suggestion, a strategy. It could become genius if it works.. You would sound silly if the vehicle burned up after the genius solution right?
@gilbert1975nf
4 ай бұрын
Can't the pins cross from one side to the other and have nuts to keep the tiles in place?
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Is it more complex?
@gilbert1975nf
4 ай бұрын
@@techmap9 I guess so
@clarencehopkins7832
4 ай бұрын
Excellent stuff bro, go Elon , keep the first voice bro
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
And proofread the script! The mistakes are embarrassing.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
I noted this, thanks
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
Come on, make some (thermally useless) transparent tiles, or locking plates, do that you can examine the locking mechanism in action, as the tile is push-fit. I still say that the outward facing end of the pins looks to be poorly designed. And something more like a self gripping sprung raw plug would hold the tiles on better, while still allowing for thermal expansion.
@lorenotrambo9551
4 ай бұрын
Why not use the iron ball panit that goes one SR-72
@bobpratt5399
4 ай бұрын
hair of mammals or scales of fish or feathers of birds are a result of tremendous time and error experiments. Are any lessons of these protective coverings applicable to StarShip? Attachment? Insulation? Materiales? Slipperyness, ?
@mkocel
4 ай бұрын
I thought starship was going to use some methane propelled heat shield that was supposed to dissipate the re-entry heat better.
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
Methane "cooled", not "propelled"
@RussellBaine
4 ай бұрын
I don't understand why the tiles don't overlap like roof shingles or fish scales. If air got behind a tile during reentry, it would rip it off. I don't think any kind of attachment would work at those speeds if air got behind tiles.
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
Because they are trying to minimise the weight, so they don’t want any overlaps.
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
Because they need to keep the heat shield as light as possible - so no extra overlapping material. Plus overlapping tiles would be even more difficult to attach.
@RussellBaine
4 ай бұрын
@@peterclarke3020 Not so because the added material from the outside flap comes from the tile it covers. Like a lap joint. So, like a lap joint, the inside flap slides under the outside flap of the previous tile. And the outside flap helps hold down the inside flap of the next tile.
@csabaczcsomps7655
4 ай бұрын
Tiles go to 2000 grade then hole dimensions increase and can come out from pin. But the real problem how is possible only a small number fall. Normal or fall all or fall none. The second problem is one fall entire zone is in bad and cause more fall. My noob opinion. Or is possible big wave crossing ship, and that wave broke some tiles only. 13:24
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Too many problems, right? But as we know that, can we fix the hearshield
@MathiasPetersen-oj3nj
4 ай бұрын
Gibt es nicht diese Kohlefaserverbundwerkstoffe die zugleich als hitzeschutz dienen können oder gibt es noch bestimmte probleme mit diesen Material.???... Gab es nicht einen erfinder In den 80-90jahre der eine ablative Masse erdacht hatte das man einfach auf die Hülle aufträgt. Und wenn ein teil davon verdampft ist,trägt man einfach soviel auf wie verdampft wurde.
@mweskamppp
4 ай бұрын
In den 60ger Jahren und später hat man eine Art Epoxidharz in einer Wabenstruktur aufgetragen. Das Harz brennt/schmilzt weg wobei die Kapsel geschützt wird und eine Kohlestruktur bleibt zurück, die ähnlich wie die Kacheln vom Space Shuttle schützt. Der Starliner nutzt das gleiche Material aber größere Platten. Wie sich gezeigt hat, sind diese Platten einem dip (aufditschen auf die Atmosphäre und abprallen mit anschliessendem Wiedereintritt) nicht gewachsen. Ich nehme an, die Temperaturunterschiede sind eine zu große Herausforderung. Vielleicht geht Boeing zurück zur Wabenstruktur. Das aufspritzen von Material und nachfüllen nach einem Flug würde ich nicht machen. Wer weiß, ob der Untergrund noch so haftet, wie er müsste. Eigentlich müsste das verbliebene Material komplett entfernt werden und der Untergrund vorbereitet werden. Kacheln sind wahrscheinlich weniger aufwändig.
@MathiasPetersen-oj3nj
4 ай бұрын
@@mweskamppp Ich denke das dürfte kein Problem sein die überreste der masse durch Robotschleifmaschine zu entfernen um dann neue masse aufzutragen. Ich schätze das würde viel schneller und kostengünstiger gehen und das ohne qualitätsverlust der haftung der masse am schiffsrumpf. Am besten wäre zwei gleich große Metallplatten an dem die unterschiedlichen hitzeschutzmaterialien getestet werden. Ein mit Kacheln und die andere mit Masse. 1. Was läßt sich schneller am Rumpf befestigen oder auftragen.? 2.Was ist brüchiger die Kacheln oder die schwachelastische masse.? 3.Welchen aufwand muss man bei der Herstellung der Kacheln betreiben: Form,Bruchfestigkeit,Exakte befestigung am Rumpf,u.s.w... Und welchen aufwand bei der masse.? 4.Wie sieht das im Orbit aus wenn eine oder einige Kacheln beschädigt sind, können Sie dort vor Ort ausgewechselt werden.? Wie sieht das im Orbit aus wenn ein Teil der masse sich gelöst hat ,kann man durch ersatzmasse aus dem behälter auf die schnelle etwas aufgetragen werden.? 5.Wäre vielleicht eine Mischung aus beiden vielleicht die Lösung? A. Das Schiff besteht zum großen teil aus Kacheln und startet in den Orbit, beim überprüfen stellt man fest das eine oder mehrere Kacheln leicht oder schwer beschädigt sind. Da es schwierig ist im Orbit Kacheln ausgewechselt,kann man auf die masse zurückgreifen und auf die beschädigten Kacheln schnell auftragen und zur Not mit den unbeschädigten Kacheln verbinden.???... Das ist die Vorstellung von einen Laien, aber vielleicht ist das die Lösung zumindest für eine begrenzte zeit, bis man etwas besseres findet.😉😉😉 🇨🇭🇩🇪🇷🇺🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
@tomray8765
4 ай бұрын
Why not have some pins in the SIDES of the tiles too? Then the adjacent tiles would help hold the odd loose tile in place. The tile covering would effectively be ALL one piece.
@colincampbell767
4 ай бұрын
The tiles are made from a 'rigid ceramic foam.' You can literally dig through it using your fingernails. Those studs would cause the failing tile to damage the tiles around it. A better idea would be to use a rigid backing that is glued to the tile and the rigid backing is what's attached to the spacecraft. This way the entire surface of the bottom of the tile is the attachment point and if the tile is damaged - at least some protection would remain. I'm not sure what formula SpaceX is using for their tiles - but adding a small amount of boron to the mix before dewatering adds additional strength and durability.
@stevenpulsinelli5553
4 ай бұрын
What would do better than the tiles is an energy shield. 1 day their engineer will find it.
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
No bad idea - because it would disrupt the tiles.
@rodjelen3883
4 ай бұрын
I told you,big solution....be or not to be ,its not up to me...✌️
@LeonardMBlake
4 ай бұрын
Why not use the rockets or thrusters to slow the reentry?
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
That means carrying more fuel and less payload, whereas atmospheric drag is free.
@geneivey1221
4 ай бұрын
BUT … if we have the ability to refuel a starship in the future; maybe just provide enough fuel at a “filling station” in space. Then return and slow down enough on re-entry to eliminate the plasma problem.
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
@@geneivey1221 And where will that space fuel come from?
@geneivey1221
4 ай бұрын
The plan - according to all reports - is to have starship tankers placed in orbit to provide refueling to and from earth (to moon and mars, others).
@clavo3352
4 ай бұрын
DUMB TPS IDEA --->>> Use one of those fiberglass chop guns to spray carbon-fiber random strands and resin, to the outside of the tiles. This will help them remain intact during thunderous ignition and liftoff. It will burn off during reentry and need to be reapplied for subsequent launches.
@felderup
4 ай бұрын
perhaps heatset glue and a sheet of high temp plastic, definitely a possibility but i don't think carbon fibre will burn off enough to make repairs easy. though, yes, an easily applied coating to hold things in place during launch is a good idea. vac bagging perhaps.
@MyFluffyClouds
4 ай бұрын
Use tiles thar aren't as brittle.
@colincampbell767
4 ай бұрын
A you mean tiles amide out of 'unobtanuim?' (Ubobtaiumn is an engineering term for a material that's perfect in every way for your application whose only drawback is that it doesn't exist.) Only ceramics can take these levels of heat and you have to make a foam out of those ceramics to make them insulate. So, you have a ceramic material that's 95% empty space.
@donporter8432
4 ай бұрын
What was the big solution? Liars
@JefeSpace
4 ай бұрын
Just leave the star ship up there bring back less stuff
@myalterego2878
4 ай бұрын
How many fucking stalkers do I have anyway?
@mikeehrmantraut2607
4 ай бұрын
Why would you ask the viewers of their opinion about the tiles and their attachment? What informed opinion could we have? makes no sense. And as another one pointed out: that fake loading circle is very weird. Is the whole video made by A.I.?
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
Getting people to comment increases "engagement" used by the YT recommendation system. And yes, it's read by AI which makes mistakes in the text really stand out.
@StillAliveAndKicking_
4 ай бұрын
@@MelindaGreenSo that’s why some channels ask us what we think. I always think it odd as why should we know anything?
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ It's also odd that they usually never reply to any of the comments they ask for.
@StillAliveAndKicking_
4 ай бұрын
@@MelindaGreen Indeed. Marcus House does, but he’s well informed and not click bait.
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ I know. "Will Starship launch this week? Lock in your answer below"
@benitomoralesjr1142
4 ай бұрын
"Pallaso".
@Fatpumpumlovah2
4 ай бұрын
Some of us can speak multiple languages... You can call Elon all the names you want, end of the day he is doing more for humanity that all the countries put together.
@benitomoralesjr1142
4 ай бұрын
@@Fatpumpumlovah2 the proof is not in the pudding.
@Fatpumpumlovah2
4 ай бұрын
@@benitomoralesjr1142 when u eat soy based pudding maybe. Stay mad lol
@dhen-marccastillon923
4 ай бұрын
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@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
❤️❤️❤️♥️
@robertbrander2074
4 ай бұрын
Magical Musk's ... BF Heat Shiit Tiles are Rubbish ! ... Just like his BF Lunch Pad , BF Tank Farm and BF Chopsticks !
@tigranohanyan3321
4 ай бұрын
Current tile design is lousy. They need something new. I belive they need to use new material sciense to get better long lasting composite heat shield.
@colincampbell767
4 ай бұрын
Ceramics are used because they are the only things that won't melt but will still serve as insulation. Think of the tiles as ultra low density firebrick.
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
I think the current tiles are probably very good. But I think that the pins are poorly designed. The ends should be gripping on the outside, more like a raw-plug.
@tigranohanyan3321
4 ай бұрын
@@peterclarke3020 Maybe its good for one time use. But they want to fly the same rocket many times a day. With this kinda design no way they can do it.
@timothyeduke
4 ай бұрын
Heat shield tiles experience large dimensional change. Propellant is neg 200 and then re-entry heats them up to +2000. The change in of each tiles dimensions makes the challenge of keeping tiles attached and aggravated by vibration from rocket
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Yeah. This is a big gap
@gottfriedheumesser1994
4 ай бұрын
The important difference between the Space Shuttle and the Starship is the material. Whereas the aluminum of the shuttle does not sustain much temperature the steel of the Starship may get much hotter until it weakens. At this temperature, all glues are already damaged and out of function.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Also have the same thought, I have no idea whether the new type of glue can solve that matter
@gottfriedheumesser1994
4 ай бұрын
@@techmap9 Classic glues are all organic, and so they are very limited in temperature.
@alanhart9992
4 ай бұрын
Remember, Flight 3 Starship entered the Atmosphere without the ship in the right orientation. Thus the tiles have not fully been tested yet. Let’s see if SpaceX gets the right orientation and then judge how the tiles held up.😊
@Fatpumpumlovah2
4 ай бұрын
I would have to agree... there was a full 30 seconds max that it faced directly into the stream but that was it. Seeing that when it was upside down and the edge shield tiles didnt flap off says to me the pins are good enough but human installation error will always be a factor.
@blengi
4 ай бұрын
a smallish autonomous orbital tilebot with a few dozen spare tiles should keep things tickety-boo for reentry
@jessiemartinfostersr.6067
4 ай бұрын
NOW HOW THE HELL WOULD ANY ONE OUT HÈRE KNOW ...2700 degrees is dam hot ..
@Picklemedia
4 ай бұрын
'Block Channel' (clickbait)
@elephantwalkersmith1533
4 ай бұрын
In industrial rotary kilns, mastic adhesive and fire blankets are used next to the steel. Fire bricks are used as the final barrier. A high temperature resistant mastic adhesive should be used in conjunction with mineral wool filing in the mastic. Drop the pins and just used the adhesive. Multiple interleaving layers of high temperature resistant tiles would provide a defense in depth approach,
@colincampbell767
4 ай бұрын
SpaceX had very good reason to drop the adhesive. The stuff is a nightmare to work with. The Space Shuttle and the B2 both use adhesive to attach the ceramic thermal insulation and it's time consuming and difficult. Need to be done in a protected environment and if you touch the bottom of the tile with your bare hand - the oil in your fingerprint can cause the adhesive not to bond properly. A better idea would be to use a rigid metal base (such as an aluminum honeycomb) and bond the tiles to it in the factory where you can get a temperature and humidity-controlled environment. The attach the plate to the studs using one way press in connectors.
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
That might offer lots of heat protection, but another requirement, is that the heat shield be as light as possible.
@anotherspontaneousvideo
4 ай бұрын
Bass, bass and more bass. The attachements should be springs which can absorb vibration and in order to prevent the tiles to rotate in the row, there should be two diametral opposed pins, inserting in two orifices in the tile, which fix the tile against rotation and against touching the neighbouring ones. More hilarious would be a feather-like approach to the heatshield using elongated tiles which feather-like mounted oblique to the surface overlap each other , like tiles on house roofs, but with gaps between the rows.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
I like the idea of using spring as an attachment and I get curious about how to pin it on the tiles and the rocket's hull
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
I think the pins should be barbed more like a Xmas tree, so that the tiles can be push-fit onto them, but not removed without destroying the tile. So a positive lock system, that can still accommodate some lateral movement, to allow for thermal expansion.
@InspGarySLurch
4 ай бұрын
Tiles will not work! They did work on the space shuttle! You need to use the same type used on dragon!
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Is that suitable for Moon and Mars colonize?
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
So far, there is no indication that the heat-shield tiles don’t work. The only problem has been some tiles coming loose.
@penderic3415
4 ай бұрын
A Thermal tuxedo overcoat? (with zipper). And changed every dozen re-entries or so..... A well dressed rocket ....
@dwindew
4 ай бұрын
This might sound ridiculous but... Why not shrink wrap the entire ship? The shrink wrapped tiles would stay protected during launch and when returning from orbit would burn off. Just a crazy idea but it might be a simple solution 😉
@rodjelen3883
4 ай бұрын
Why tiles,parts, if we can install 1 shield,...and we can arrange the starship to transport only shields into space in one round, I don't know 6/15..shields I think it carries...for multiple reentries
@rodjelen3883
4 ай бұрын
Yes, and just as the starship can mount it automatically before entering orbit, it can also drop it, before landing at home, (heat shield) if I'm not mistaken.
@rodjelen3883
4 ай бұрын
And with that, the two-part shell would be automatically assembled and put on the lower part of the starship, before entering the earth's orbit, in space😉🤔,
@rodjelen3883
4 ай бұрын
Did anyone think that the heat shield would not be mounted on a starship at all, not on earth. The heat shield would be sent into orbit with another starship or dragon..
@indycargordonross2733
4 ай бұрын
As tiles & hulls expand or shrink, the tile attachment pins are exerting stresses on the tiles. Using a corkscrew or spring lower section, near the skin, would allow differential expansion, with less local stress on fragile tiles. Just an idea from a Scottish engineer.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Wow, Great ideas. I will find more about this
@kevin-kt5jl
4 ай бұрын
yes i think in time there going to have to glue all the tiles on. pins wont work well enough.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Even glue can''t work well
@TheGpaul
4 ай бұрын
Slow the ship down
@Freshwaterboy
4 ай бұрын
A way to isolate the tiles from each other, on take off, then allow them to expand to touch when heated might help. Possibly a caulk or pneumatic system.
@rodjelen3883
4 ай бұрын
Like slippers
@user-Mike755
4 ай бұрын
How about the material that tiles are made of is applied while in liquid form, formulated to foam up apron reentry?
@user-Mike755
4 ай бұрын
How about the material that tiles are made of is applied while in liquid form, formulated to foam up apron reentry?
@user-Mike755
4 ай бұрын
Some how my brain keeps telling me that velveeta would have an application as to heat shielding?
@kaiwheeler64
4 ай бұрын
It is kinda counter intuitive to affix insulating tiles with conductive pins. 🖖
@mikeehrmantraut2607
4 ай бұрын
lol at 7:55 the voice completly changed! what the heck? Is this whole clip a fucking joke?
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
It's spoken by AI, and written by monkeys
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
My mistake, I will never do that again
@greggwilliamson
4 ай бұрын
Due to the first law of thermodynamics, if a color absorbs more heat, it will also disperse more heat. Case in point... SR-71 Blackbird.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
thanks for sharing
@BillGorman
4 ай бұрын
I don't think the space shuttle had heat tiles on a fuel tank. lol
@rustusandroid
4 ай бұрын
The tank had foam to reduce boil off, and the tank was designed to burn up on reentry, so no. That would be counter productive.
@scottbattaglia8595
4 ай бұрын
Maybe the red glue is better
@Runt8887
4 ай бұрын
Hmm I think I might have an idea how to secure the tiles.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
Can you share about it here?
@markhutchings8199
4 ай бұрын
[05/09, 01:11] Mark Hutchings: Can someone that has access to Elon Musk please suggest that StarShip enters the atmosphere through the O³ ozone hole over the Antarctic which will result in a great reduction in tile burn out stress. This is due to the aggressive nature of O³. [05/12, 04:05] Mark Hutchings: kzitem.info/news/bejne/z4h90almjHaJdIYsi=uAl17KHW1Hm4ekDb
@undertow2142
4 ай бұрын
Ignoring the fact that would result in starship landing in Antarctica every time and needing to be transported thousands of miles back to the launch site. That’s not how reentry works.
@peterclarke3020
4 ай бұрын
Then it would end up in the wrong orbit.. Instead it needs to be able to cope with any path to orbit and back.
@tonysu8860
4 ай бұрын
So why does Starship choose to layer a heatshield covering its nose and body? SpaceX pioneered landing boosters by firing rockets and traveling backwards so that the rocket heatshields are forward. Surely, the same technique would work fine for the upper stage payload Starship.
@mossyslopes
4 ай бұрын
Orbital re-entry is much faster than sub orbital so they need to use the larger surface area of starship to scrub off velocity through friction to decelerate like a sky diver
@MelindaGreen
4 ай бұрын
That requires carrying more fuel and less payload
@user-Mike755
4 ай бұрын
Two coats maybe three.
@techmap9
4 ай бұрын
It will much more complicated
@user-Mike755
4 ай бұрын
@@techmap9 It may indeed be complicated until it’s figured out and it’s as simple as pie!
@yorkfranklin2801
4 ай бұрын
From watching the video of them putting tiles, it looks like not enough force is need to attach them. Witch would make it easy for them to fall off.
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