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@user-km3fl9pr4g
Ай бұрын
I began playing in 1960 when I was in kindergarten. I did get to play with a man named Onzy Mathews. He arranged foreigns for Duke. He arrange some numbers for Duke Ellington. And he arranged and played keyboards on Lou Rawl's album, Black and Blue. At the request of his manager I met his son Kofi Baker when he played in Dallas. We talked for a few hours. Kofi Baker and Malcolm Bruce, Jack Bruce's son, altering extensively now in Sons of Cream. Kofi is a fantastic drummer.
@rodmaknouni
11 ай бұрын
You MUST mention the Baker-Gurvitz Army when praising Ginger Baker's drumming, those albums are all absolutely UNREAL!
@plasticweapon
7 ай бұрын
one of the best bands ginger played with, very underexposed.
@user-jg9pk2yy2d
Ай бұрын
True
@jesusbencomo3495
Жыл бұрын
I had the Honor of befriend Peter Edward Baker in Madrid ,summer of 83 and he was not only a wonderful and infuential drummer but also a very nice person. RIP MY FRIEND.
@michaelskurski912
6 ай бұрын
Seems like alot of people would disagree that he was nice person but I'm sure you caught him in a good mood
@bluerazor7049
2 ай бұрын
This was around the time that he took a break from performing and got sober, I believe he was planting Olive trees back then.
@TheListenerCanon
Ай бұрын
@@michaelskurski912 Yeah, I thought it was known he was an asshole. Watch the doc Beware of Mr. Baker.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
2 ай бұрын
Tremendous control, Ginger had in his drumming.
@MikeFisher-123
7 ай бұрын
For me Ginger always stood out from the crowd, and brought something interesting to the song in a way that you didn't often hear others do. But despite this I didn't ever think he overplayed the drums. Probably my favourite drummer.
@ogri214
10 ай бұрын
Ginger's atmospheric playing on the song We're going wrong is to me just perfect.
@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244
Ай бұрын
Masters of Reality! Baker was magnifient!
@williammorgan5320
10 ай бұрын
I started playing drums in 1969. Self-taught, without lessons, I followed Cream records and any vinyl I could get hold of. FM radio was also a late-night haven for innovative stuff. Ginger Baker was an icon. I still play today and perhaps Ginger can be heard in some of my backbeat. Cheers.
@TweedSuit
Жыл бұрын
Cream were a new type of band that influenced the later heavy blues, progressive and fusion genres. You can thank Ginger who formed the band in 1966.
@StevenCarinci
Ай бұрын
@@TweedSuit New type of nothing. Cream simply rebranded the Cotton Club sofisticated jazz tradition a la Cab Callaway, Duke Ellington etc., Jack Bruce, sounds too much like Mel Torme, and Johnny Hartman. This is something Clapton is too dull to realize re Van Halen where Eddies guitar serves as the horn section while the schmultzy Roth plays the night club sophisticate in that Harlem tradition. Beautiful Girls by VH nails it perfectly beating Cream at their own game. Have a nice day.
@bobsyoruncle4583
Жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to have heard Sunshine of your Love when it first hit the radio. In an era where new musical ground was being broken every week this song stood out and it was Baker's unprecedented drumming approach that gave the song a kind of primal power that made it gripping and unforgettable.
@davidr6026
Ай бұрын
Thank you for this terrific video on Ginger. ❤
@camronbay1
7 ай бұрын
Ginger just has a unique power on the drums the rhythm he creates is unbelievable.
@tommcconville677
9 ай бұрын
I consider Ginger the best all time, both on rock and ethnically influenced music, which was also a jazz fusion genre. He could change playing a rhythm in an instant, could also play in a low stick style as good as any drummer who played the kit. He revolutionized the bass drum technique that supplemented his play on snare and the toms, everything in perfect sync. One of the truly great rudimental players in music as well. The drummers I consider in his orb or close would be Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford, Cozy Powell, John Bonham, Ian Paice and Neil Peart. Ginger was simply the best ever.
@StevenCarinci
3 ай бұрын
He was a mentally ill mediocre drummer like the overrated hack band he played in. He was more a genius at marketing his brand, but honestly, I just don't get the hype around this guy. Not fit to shine Tony Williams' shoes. Next...
@DMSProduktions
Жыл бұрын
Phenomenal drummer! UP there with Krupa, Purdy, Starky, Paice etc! \m/
@tommcconville677
9 ай бұрын
Both his floor bass and mounted bass playing and technique were both superb and revolutionary.
@kstoeb
Жыл бұрын
Thank You for your work. I am a lazy percussionist who doesn’t know a lot about the history of percussion and drums in popular music - and that’s exactly what you are bringing to me 🙏
@brianmcguire5175
Жыл бұрын
As a drummer of years and a self considered serious drummer despite having no fame at all I still wish to offer a caveat. The mentioning of ginger bakers very inspired flipped beat figure for creams big hit which saw ginger baker displace the standard back beat pattern on counts one and three came to being not only by gingers great conception but also by grace or the band members he played with. I cannot count how many times I had an original idea for a song for a band only for the writer of the song veto my idea out and instead have me play the most conventional and standard beat for that track. I have always gladly adapted to what was and is asked of me drumming wise but when it comes to discussing gingers ideas being realised I have to point out that his band were of his mindset also and sanctioned his input equally. To give more examples of drummers having a greater say and part I point to John Bonham in led Zeppelin. Keith Moon of the who. Stewart Copeland of the police, who famously argued with sting about his inputs, and modernly Travis Barker of blink 182. John Otto of limp bizkit clearly also had a free reign for more spirited drumming and compositional function. In contrast the bands I get to play with in small venues unanimously request I play the most striped down beats despite that beat being repeated greatly throughout the set list. I do it and willingly, it's paid work after all. But to attribute genius to individual output in commercial examples is to disregard the true nature of band life. Drummers on KZitem overcompensate via over the top drum performances.on their channel and I think it's a push back on unfair inhibiting expectations from their band counterparts. Ginger baker never faced expulsion for playing the way he did but many young drummers today do. Mind you, it's worth noting what relationship ginger baker had with his former band mates after
@A-FrameWedge
6 ай бұрын
Or it was Ginger Baker who fought to do it his way, his personality was not to just go along and do what he was told.
@brianmcguire5175
6 ай бұрын
@@A-FrameWedge my knee jerk reaction to you is to say: ginger was lucky in that his team gave him space. Although I'm going to concede to you , I think you should still recognise that most drummers in successful bands still have to more often then not concede their success from a generous acceptance from their band at that time. Histrorically Dave grohl is an example of this and so then is ginger baker. An incredible musician as part of a great and popular group. A trasendentential musician outside of that group after. Both amazing and popularly celebrated
@timcharles5476
9 ай бұрын
No mention of Phil Seaman who introduced Ginger to African rhythms? He was his first mentor. Ginger was a phenomenon: a force of nature who made the drums sing.
@allendale319
2 ай бұрын
And heroine
@peoplevsradio317
2 ай бұрын
It's 9 minutes long. Can't include everything
@timcharles5476
27 күн бұрын
@@peoplevsradio317 It would have taken non more than 10 seconds and would have been a worthy addition.
@jamesheath7601
9 күн бұрын
Brilliant drummer RIP legend
@brunodobia9223
Жыл бұрын
Baker i consider too be one of the best Rock Drummers of all time if not the best i mean he was the best of course till i came along “
@philibowey4809
8 ай бұрын
Like him or loath Ginger was up there with the best of drummers in my opinion ........he shares first place with John Bonham in my books
@conniejohnson3029
Жыл бұрын
The talk thru at 5:26 was really helpful. I'll have to listen to that again to get more from it. Great video. Thanks.
@conniejohnson3029
Жыл бұрын
actually that was 6:25
@GuyJames
Жыл бұрын
Ginger Baker's Airforce did some good albums too!
@Unsung_Earth
Жыл бұрын
Great baker ✌️
@CarmenRizzo-pn1uw
5 ай бұрын
Yes
@dylanadams1455
2 ай бұрын
He was also an influence on another rock drummer who was actually a jazz drummer - Bill Ward from Black Sabbath. Most metal drummers can't do him justice bc they can't swing or sit behind the beat like he did
@plasticweapon
Ай бұрын
too bad ginger didn't appreciate him.
@OffBeatChannel
Жыл бұрын
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@gingerbaker_toad696
Жыл бұрын
Love 🤟👹❤
@foodforthegods
Жыл бұрын
I was just recommended your Steve Gadd video and watched that one and this one back to back. Thank you for putting these together! Love the whole presentation, makes me forget I'm on youtube in 2023, which is great! There's a band I think you should check out called Nihiloxica, if you don't know them already. I could name some drummers I like that I'd want you to cover, but I think this is the more interesting recommendation. Thanks again, much love!
@ardyzink7928
8 ай бұрын
Animal's father. Today's master of the double kick who sometimes plays the bottom independently from the top ... at supersonic BPM's comes from an unlikely source; Akane Hirose who is a female Japanese rock drummer with the group: "BAND-MAID." And, as a drummer myself, I did look to Ginger Baker as a lighthouse ... long after Cream was gone.
@henryfitch8710
9 ай бұрын
Such a talented drummer but marred by a violent temper, witness his behaviour in the film 'Beware Mr Baker' where he broke a film maker's nose with his cane!!! I'm not surprised Clapton and definitely Bruce were very wary of him. Could you imagine him in the same room as John Lennon?
@stevecvino
8 ай бұрын
Agreed, great documentary.
@TheListenerCanon
Ай бұрын
A lot of great performers or artists weren't good people. Sure, we have the occasional Keanu Reeves who's known to be a kind and has very little controversy, but then people like Baker were assholes who only cared about themselves. I will say this though, even if these artists or performers weren't good people, they did care about quality and he's still one of the greatest drummers of all time!
@henryfitch8710
Ай бұрын
@@TheListenerCanon It didn't help that Peter( Ginger) lost his soldier dad in WW2 and advised his son in a letter to use his fists in fights. Watch the film 'Beware of Mr Baker'. The young, shy and timid Eric C did not know what to make of him and even joined him in the group 'Blind Faith' knowing what he was like. A frighteningly strong fellow but brilliant drummer who definitely left his mark. A pity his family suffered as did Lennon's first family from selfish behaviour.
@plasticweapon
Ай бұрын
jack bruce was crazier than ginger.
@henryfitch8710
Ай бұрын
@@plasticweapon Really? How?
@RSMGsndchannel
Жыл бұрын
I'm NOT a bloody rock drummer! Loved him there no BS in him what you saw was what you got!!!!
@cu6454
9 ай бұрын
Yes was my favorite and later loved Jim Gordon 🙂
@davidmccauley8034
4 ай бұрын
Ginger-drums/Jimi-guitar
@8saltman
6 ай бұрын
Is the Dakota building in the background at 2.22, they could have visited John Lennon.
@xibbit6322
Жыл бұрын
Bill bruford next?
@kennethegan2915
4 ай бұрын
Ginger was a jazz drummer more than a rock one
@yannikt.9762
Жыл бұрын
Charlie Watts
@dvldog_
Жыл бұрын
How high are you, Ginger? Yes...
@ambroulard
8 ай бұрын
He had a solid Rock and Roll time sense-- he was NOT a great Jazz drummer by any means-- his technique was average- He DID get a great sound which is what counts and the production work on the first 3 Albums regarding the drums was really good and interesting-- you can’t fault Ludwig!!!
@plasticweapon
8 ай бұрын
says nobodies on message boards. all the greats say he was great. and he was.
@trapkat8213
Ай бұрын
Agree. His jazz drumming was awful but that is not what he is famous for anyway.
@ambroulard
Ай бұрын
@@plasticweapon No, he wasn’t -- go Listen to : Rene Creemers, Billy Kilson, Lee Pearson, Trilok Gurtu,, and then come back and talk about it- and I could name about 100 others,,,, Jeff Ballard, Adam Deitch, Sonny Emory, Billy Combham, Eric Biwandu, 100s more LiterallY….
@AmericanHorse-sg9oc
10 ай бұрын
Ginger Baker in the 60s is as equal to Jimmy Chamberlain to the 90s.
@charlesmountney8062
29 күн бұрын
Neil who? 😅
@charliecroker6445
6 ай бұрын
Ginger was playing at least ten tears and touring before Cream
@briannemeth9417
2 ай бұрын
Now if he could only master being a decent human being
@mikej70
10 ай бұрын
Great group groundbreaking music wasn't long but very influential first rock group with top-notch musicians
@thomp9054
Жыл бұрын
What do Eric Clapton and coffee have in common?
@thomp9054
Жыл бұрын
They both need cream
@kstoeb
Жыл бұрын
😂
@plasticweapon
8 ай бұрын
shut up.
@TheListenerCanon
Ай бұрын
@@thomp9054 Derek and the Dominoes would like a word!
@thomp9054
Ай бұрын
@@TheListenerCanon😊blind faith also
@JoeBilello1969
11 ай бұрын
It's a shame he was such a nut!!! After as much research about him as I could absorb my educated guess would be that the use of some serious drugs coupled with some childhood trauma created the monster he unfortunately became. I definitely agreed with his dressing down of Buddy Rich who was another, different kind of mental case!!! I never thought of Rich being anything special, every other quality drummer could move just as fast as him but fast doesn't equate to it being music, Rich's solos were nothing but fast noise to my ears and never sounded like music to me. It's unfortunate how the media and an individual being given public face time determines who's "great" which is totally erroneous to say the least and that's my opinion of Buddy Rich. Anyone else who had as many appearances on "The Tonight Show" as Rich would've eventually convinced the public of HIM being "the greatest" also. There's plenty of people I'd take over Rich and some of them twice on Sunday😮
@michaelskurski912
6 ай бұрын
Probably the childhood trauma was his father dying when he was 5 years old
@trapkat8213
Ай бұрын
Ginger Baker's drumming is nothing but slow noise to my ears 😃
@shoechew
2 ай бұрын
Pour boiling water over the tea.
@johnhead6116
7 ай бұрын
This video really does nothing to live up to its title. I see nothing groundbreaking about Ginger's drumming, and I've been playing drums since the 70s. Am I the only one who feels this way?
@TheListenerCanon
Ай бұрын
He was groundbreaking because he performed one of first drum solos in a rock song. It's similar to how John Entwistle performed one of the first bass solos in a rock song!
@newellbate
Жыл бұрын
Baker was a great Rock drummer up there with the greatest ever but in jazz he was okay I loved his sound and approach and everything in jazz some of my fave (roof) he got nowhere near where he got and rock, come on let's be real he was a rock drummer Toad is not a jazz drum solo. Did cream ever really do a jazz piece. Infuenced yes but pure jazz no.
@OffBeatChannel
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree he was a rock drummer, it was just very interesting to discover how his stylistic and educational roots are firmly in jazz and even that he sees himself as a jazz drummer rather than a rock and roll drummer
@TweedSuit
Жыл бұрын
You're judgment is clouded by the loud vocals, bass and guitars. Listen to any of Creams live improvs and imagine the bass and guitar lower in volume with no distortion and you will realise you're hearing a jazz combo. Ginger very rarely plays typical rock beats/grooves.
@ciccioaporta3774
11 ай бұрын
Toad ,is like a raga for drums alone.
@SAHBfan
9 ай бұрын
Baker started his professional career in 1957 - playing jazz. He played for Acker Bilk, Terry Lightfoot, Johnny Burch and many others before playing for two big bands. Later he played Jazz Rock with Graham Bond in The Organization. He had been a professional drummer for 9 years before he formed Cream, mostly playing jazz.
@ronagoodwell2709
9 ай бұрын
Aside from flams and triplets, Ginger Baker's generous use of heroin put him in company with prominent jazz musicians of the time as well. That he was able to eventually kick the habit without missing a beat made him a survivor ... which added much to his cachet.
@ronbaker8383
2 ай бұрын
No he isn't stop praising peter Baker
@mymixture965
Ай бұрын
He was overrated...by himself, but he was a good drummer. He just was not as good as he thought he is.
@StevenCarinci
3 ай бұрын
Way overrated like the hack band Cream. I can think of scores of drummers that could play circles around him: Ansley Dunbar is one that comes to mind. Plus Dunbar wasn't mentally ill. Baker was a marketing genius by picking "fights" with jazz drummers to promote his brand. Tony Williams put this mutt in his place. Next...
@davidfaustino4476
2 ай бұрын
How? He played limp wristed drums over songs other people wrote. And thinks hes the second coming of God because of it.
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