@@icedcapplord710 it exists, and I'm a SUCKER for existence
@Grey_Fox019
Жыл бұрын
It sure is a game
@Kaellstrom
Жыл бұрын
Is it
@seematahir5970
Жыл бұрын
I've been playing Sonic Forces a lot recently to try to squeeze every ounce of enjoyment out of it. I don't think it's good overall, but here are some things I've come to enjoy: 1. Modern Sonic has a handful of decent stages. Egg Gate, Network Terminal, Sunset Heights, and Mortar Canyon, are pretty visually breathtaking and quite decent level design-wise. Not even close to Generations or Unleashed, but they're decently fun with a healthy amount of multiple paths. 2. Classic Sonic is pretty bad, but the drop dash saves some of his levels. Chaining as many as you can in any row while zooming into powerups and over platforms can be exhilarating once you master it. 3. The Avatar's Wispons can be used to take alternate paths, and they have some cool bonus effects that can be used for speedrunning, like increased grinding speed, faster acceleration, and a burst of speed when landing. Drill is also super OP and be used for some fun shortcuts. 4. Some of the bosses are pretty good, which is a rarity for a 3D platformer. The first and 3rd Infinite fights as well as Metal Sonic are pretty fun, and the final boss is quite good. Sure, the final phase is mostly ripped from Colors, but the difficulty has been cranked up and it has way more attacks. It's the one thing in Forces that feels truly complete. 5. Episode Shadow is quite good. It is is essentially "hard mode" versions of existing Forces levels and even gives Shadow a unique "light speed dash-esque" attack. The writing is substantially better despite Infinite's weak backstory, and it's great to see Team Dark back in action. Overall it's quite a boring game, but it is not without a handful of positives. But at least 06 had excellent level design and an interesting premise. This is beyond saving.
@CrasherLIX
Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed forced for 3 reasons: - Being able to have multiple avatars and completion objectives to aim for. - Simple gameplay. I can play the game with videos on the background. - I did not pay for it.
@wootmasterzorsx
Жыл бұрын
This man expresses negative opinions very well- at no point does he sound overly enraged or upset, he retains a calm, civil tone that expresses the negativity in a way I can appreciate. I’ve always respected how Jon presents himself, but here especially, I respect him a great deal. Well done.
@keviniraheta5085
Жыл бұрын
You should cover the sonic colors ds you mentioned. That game is amazing
@JustAnotherMike_
Жыл бұрын
16:52 And the Avatar only has that double jump cause you decided to make Jet the Hawk and chose a bird! That's its special species feature *If you choose any other species, you're stuck in the same boat as Classic and just doomed to fall in pits*
@ThunderCurrie
Жыл бұрын
Dude you HAVE to talk about Sonic Battle for the GBA, that game deserves its own entire video highlighting its differences and its strongest point - the story!
@TheZebbga
Жыл бұрын
Wow, you said exactly everything I feel about this game. Like it isn't like a broken mess that does everything wrong but... what does it actually have going for it? It is just boring. But one thing I disagree with is the Avatar. I do not like the Avatar and I didn't want to play as him. I think it would have made more sense if you could create an Avatar to play as instead of Sonic as an option. Like he plays the same as Sonic and you can choose which to play as because when I payed Forces I just made my Avatar look as close to Sonic as I could. I made a Blue Hedgehog with sunglasses, he also had the soap shoes from Adventure 2 which is admittedly a nice touch. I also thought the forest level with Shadow is cool only because it plays the White Jungle theme from SA2. That's it, they are my positives. Wild tot think that this might be someones first Sonic game though.
@nottoofast
Жыл бұрын
I had some dude insulting me and arguing with me over the fact that Forces and Lost World have COMPLETELY different final bosses from Colors and I'm absolutely insane for thinking that they're all the same.
@garupakyojin1361
Жыл бұрын
The Sonic Forces Re-imagined mod managed to make the game semi-decent. Never have I thought that I would actually enjoy the game with that mod. I can't wait to see the team remake Null Void, Egg Gate and Mortar Canyon as they are the prime examples of wasted potential.
@amirgarcia547
Жыл бұрын
Ikr, especially Mortar Canyon since it’s this huge, fully 3D level that you can easily beat in a minute.
@jakeriese4862
Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much
@JVeg199X
Жыл бұрын
I really hope we’re past the point of AAA platformers that have zero stakes - no risk, only reward - and/or play themselves.
@Chibiknux
Жыл бұрын
I love your voice, very similar to the gamexplain guy lol
@Snotnarok
Жыл бұрын
What confuses me is, they apparently spent 2, years, on the engine alone, trying to get it up to snuff & only a year on this game having to cut tons and tons of stuff to get it out the door on time. So, all that time spent on the engine but then Frontiers is on a different engine and they didn't do anything else on the Hedgehog engine? I'm all for SEGA being experimental here n' there but they just seem to avoid trying to refining a gameplay style and go nuts trying to reinvent Sonic every single time.
@NekkoBlue
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the whole “Forces being a sequel to Mania” thing would’ve been really cool if, one, they actually continued what made that game so charming, instead of just being an excuse to give us one of the worst versions of Classic Sonic, just with a drop dash. And two, if the overall game was, y’know, good.
@gatst7680
Жыл бұрын
Forces is the Sonic game I feel has the most missed potential. The Avatar is really cool, Infinite as a villain has a great design, interesting powers, and a banging theme, they brought back old villains, the story seemed to be going for more of a 2000s story instead of the non-stories we had so far in the Meta games, but it genuinely just seems like they rushed everything about it. The story, the level design, the boost, the physics, the game released in BETA for fuck's sake. It's just downright depressing to me that they took a pretty good concept and absolutely wasted it by not even being able to flesh it out. I swear, if I'm saying the same thing about Frontiers in a few months, I might just be done with Sonic forever.
@TheLonelyGoomba
Жыл бұрын
I kinda like Forces. But I wouldn’t say it was great or anything, I just have a relatively nice time replaying it now and then. I do think the game is best when going for 100% since the red rings often highlight what little alternative paths there are, and the time trial missions aren’t completely brain dead. Classic Sonic levels in particular shine when doing this.
@SoggyHotDoggy
Жыл бұрын
Sonic Forces is one of the weirdest game in the series- and that’s saying a lot. Almost every other game, people feel strongly one way or another about- they either love it, like Generations (at least at the time, some have taken to discrediting the hell out of that game cause of its use of nostalgia) or Mania, or they hate it like Rise of Lyric or 06. Hell, maybe even they’ll be divided. I’ve *never* seen anyone feel good about Forces. Bad, sure, but people over-exaggerate all the time, like you said. Forces, to me just….. exists. I played it, and it’s just *there*. There’s nothing I would tell you is cool about the game outside of the character creation, which was always gonna be fun. Project Shadow is pretty cool too, just cause we can play Shadow again, I guess, but other than that, I can’t think of a single thing in this game that’s memorable like seeing your first 06 glitch or playing Mania for the first time after years of disappointment. It’s basically the definition of Mid. Also, Classic Sonic feels like buttcheeks in this game to me.
@scarlet8765
Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine started doing a Sonic marathon of all the mainline Sonic games before Frontiers. Just last night, they ended the marathon on Forces, which they played for the very first time. Waking up to this video, and watching it the whole way through, I feel like just watched a video review version of the playthrough I watched my friend go through last night, nearly word for word. From the story to the gameplay to the retrospective comparison, everything was basically the same exact thoughts put in slightly different words. And the craziest part is that I'm pretty sure both were valid thoughts, opinions, and criticisms on everything that makes this game not that good.
@gamedestroyer112
Жыл бұрын
It definitely was fun on the first playthrough. After that it was not as fun... Personally, I like it and to me it's underrated. Yes, it's lacking but that doesn't make it BAD. It just is lacking.
@maleficking6556
Жыл бұрын
Oh cool, other people doing marathons leading to Frontiers. I just did the same, finishing the other night with Mania Plus's Encore Mode.
@gamedestroyer112
Жыл бұрын
@@maleficking6556 niiiiceeee
@Voltricity435
Жыл бұрын
i did a sonic marathon earlier this year after the game awards trailer so i didn't want to do it again before frontiers. however i am playing all the sonic team made 3d sonic games i own (so all of them except shadow 05, sonic 06, black knight, and lost world) i started 2 weeks ago and i'm playing 2 games a week. (the week i'm playing starting on tuesday since frontiers comes out on a tuesday). i finished sa1 and 2 last week and i just finished heroes yesterday. tomorrow i'll start secret rings (which i actually really like). the only one i don't really like is forces but that is what i'll be ending it on, probably the day before frontiers comes out.
@doge9693
Жыл бұрын
@@Voltricity435 Don't forget Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode I and II
@DrViperVideos
Жыл бұрын
I’ll never forget the video that demonstrates the egg pawn robot a.i. comparing sonic unleashed to forces, 2008 vs 2017. The unlesshed robots swing at you, shoot at you and if they hit sonic they celebrate and taunt you. Forces, they just stand there…. Menacingly! They don’t do anything, they just stand…
@solidusgadget
Жыл бұрын
Go play other levels. Lost Valley isn't the whole game. Not only that, as far as I know, melee attacks sometimes miss Sonic when you stand close to static robots.
@YHUAN01
Жыл бұрын
Oh no. The enemies in the tutorial level don't attack me. AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
@stanzacosmi
Жыл бұрын
@@YHUAN01 Every sonic first enemy still attacks you or moves somewhat.
@YHUAN01
Жыл бұрын
@@stanzacosmi So?
@Thomas-te2lg
Жыл бұрын
They do look cool though.
@Omega_Cat64
Жыл бұрын
Let's also remember that super Sonic DLC was originally $1.99 USD.
@Pikminer-5087
Жыл бұрын
Apparently the "Tails has just lost it" line was a bad translation, I think it was more like "We can't find Tails". But given how he reacted to CHAOS ZERO, fair enough.
@soulpiece1
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s true, it was always a translation error
@themissingbits6375
Жыл бұрын
The Game was written by english writers
@darkhorse744
Жыл бұрын
@@themissingbits6375 Source? Far as I know, it was translated from Japanese writers.
@themissingbits6375
Жыл бұрын
The Plot was made by Sonic team but the writing was made by Ken pontac and Warren graff
@solidusgadget
Жыл бұрын
@@themissingbits6375 the plot and dialogues were Japanese but Pontaff edited dialogues and then Japanese edited them again.
@MerelyAFan
Жыл бұрын
Honestly Forces in many ways is the Sonic 4 of the 3D titles. Neither are outright bad, but both feel very much like a facsimiles of the titles they're emulating, with only surface level understanding of why the games they're trying to be were so beloved.
@HenryS136
Жыл бұрын
Thats a great way to put it
@SonicTheCutehog
Жыл бұрын
It is the fourth of the 3D Boost titles, so that also fits.
@นฤสรณ์อริยสกุลวงศ์
Жыл бұрын
Sonic fo’u’rce?
@Sydney_Angelyt
Жыл бұрын
Both forces S4E1 are definitely bad.
@NokioftheStars
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe you went the whole video and only gave the barest glimpse of the game's biggest redeeming quality: You can wear Amitie's hat :)
@HACSSuperbMiner
Жыл бұрын
Or Joker’s outfit, or an AiAi furry suit
@Sompursone
Жыл бұрын
@@HACSSuperbMiner Is it still a furry suit if you’re already playing as a furry before you put the suit on?
@AsecasJavi
Жыл бұрын
It's not the original one so...
@DontKnowDontCare6.9
2 ай бұрын
Amitie's hat.. And this is exactly why Sonic Team is confident they can sell an uncooked game to so-called gamers at full price.
@DesignDoc
Жыл бұрын
I never understood how people call this game “average” other than the fact that it’s very easy to finish. The game isn’t frustrating but it’s the worst kind of boring with automation at the worst it’s ever been. I just feel empty with this game. Only positives I can give it is that the Metropolis Zone is a cool aesthetic and the avatar is fun to customize.
@anotherjon6997
Жыл бұрын
@@jaretco6423 Honestly, pretty much. It's one of the reasons I would rather play something like Forces compared to, say, Heroes or Lost World where my enjoyment would just be punished at each turn. That said, I think there is more to appreciate in Forces than people give credit for. For instance, I do think Forces was a step closer in returning to the series' higher-stake stories compared to releases right before. I know some were upset with it being a half-step, but I don't think it was realistic to imagine Sega would do a full pivot back to that style by that point. Another thing I think Forces genuinely does well compared to other games in the series are the boss battles. Granted, the series boss-wise (aside from final bosses) does not have a great track record aside from Generations were all the bosses were great; but I think the bosses here are my second favorite selection. And yeah, the Avatar customization is easily the best aspect in the game. No contest.
@lpfan4491
Жыл бұрын
@@anotherjon6997 Forces is legitimately lower stakes in both events and tone than Lost World.
@casual3123
Жыл бұрын
I never played Sonic Forces until I saw it on sale for half off at Wal-Mart last year and I beat it in about 2 or 3 hours. Let's just say, I wanted to get my money back. No game has ever made me feel that way outside of Sonic Lost World for Wii U. And I've played Paper Mario: Sticker Star and Mario Party 10.
@LoliconSamalik
Жыл бұрын
Bah! I played it at my local game store kiosk and beat half the game while skipping cutscenes. It really is pathetically short and underwhelming.
@Sydney_Angelyt
Жыл бұрын
@@LoliconSamalik you got to play for half an hour?
@darudesandstrom1067
Жыл бұрын
One of the most unimaginative games I’ve ever played. Feels like a game that was made by a robot
@amirgarcia547
Жыл бұрын
Maybe it was made by one of Eggman’s robots in order to destroy Sonic’s reputation. It’d certainly fit perfectly, at least lol.
@ShadicgunMan
Жыл бұрын
Very meta, only I don't think Eggman would let Sonic win in anything.
@Anochezco45
Жыл бұрын
@@amirgarcia547 ""It was me, Sonic... I replace all your developers with egg-robots for tarnish your reputation!"
@lol-ih1tl
Жыл бұрын
Bad games are bad because of mismanagement, which is from either lack of development time, development difficulties or horrible working conditions.
@StardustWhip
Жыл бұрын
I think it's safe to say that the best thing to come from Forces was the IDW comics which followed up on Forces' story for their first year.
@Sydney_Angelyt
Жыл бұрын
And the music
@AbbieWillett
Жыл бұрын
Everytime the clip goes up of Classic Sonic barely unable to make the hill after the loop my heart sinks.
@kadosho02
Жыл бұрын
Same. It just deflates all hope in momentum, movement, and game flow.
@Lakitu1134
Жыл бұрын
It’s worth noting that even though they used the word “destroyed,” it’s been clarified by Ian Flynn that Shadow *killed* Infinite’s squadron when destroying those Eggman bases. That’s what predominantly lead to him holding a grudge.
@mysteryperson1958
Жыл бұрын
damn......
@MajoraWaffle
Жыл бұрын
based shadow
@GeorgePerakis
Жыл бұрын
ALL HAIL SHADOW! HEROES RISE AGAIN! OBLITERATING EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT YOUR FRIEND!
@hmnat
Жыл бұрын
My favourite memory of Sonic Forces is that I played it entirely in handheld mode on my Switch and didn't have to charge my switch once....And that was on the launch model.
@andrewkos5560
Жыл бұрын
Having just seen a Twitter thread where some people called this "Peak Video Games", it's very nice to have this video that really encapsulates how nothing an experience Forces is.
@datalphalion
Жыл бұрын
Edit: Hmm, apparently this was debunked. Fun fact: Aaron Webber wrote comments on the Japanese script to the Sonic Team staff, most of which were ignored. At least they changed out the line “we’re going in hard and fast.”
@YHUAN01
Жыл бұрын
The game doesn't even use the Japanese script at all. Why are you perpetuating this lie?
@Ronan34753
Жыл бұрын
I think it was towards the Pontaff duo, from what I saw of it. Not gonna lie, it was pretty funny to read.
@bintobox
Жыл бұрын
that alleged script with all of those callout notes written on it by Aaron was debunked by him as not being official and was created by a fan iirc
@Ronan34753
Жыл бұрын
@@bintobox How do we know if Aaron's not just trying to cover for themself?
@doge9693
Жыл бұрын
Ayo?
@tonkofwisdom3788
Жыл бұрын
I remember when the game came in the mail, I was so excited. I played it, and came downstairs around 9PM or so after playing it for 3 hours and I told my dad I beat the game. He looked at me with some slight confusion and was like “You beat the game already?” Gotta be totally honest with you, i should’ve been surprised too 💀
@Faceu7745
Жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@bladearmorginga6582
Жыл бұрын
“None of this is good Vector, that’s why it’s called war.” This was in a sonic game, let alone said by knuckles.
@TheJmack90
Жыл бұрын
People who act like Forces is the worst thing ever are definitely the melodramatic types. Forces wasn’t bad, just bland. Some say bland is worse…but I’d rather play Forces than ‘06, or Boom
@TheJmack90
Жыл бұрын
@sonic 1995 I didn’t know calling something bland was considered shit taste, but ok
@TheJmack90
Жыл бұрын
@sonic 1995 👍🏽
@hidden_block
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, a bland game is worse than a terrible game. If it’s terrible and buggy, I can at least laugh at the ridiculousness of it, and if it’s good, I can actually enjoy the game. Bland games are just…boring. There’s nothing to be interested in, nothing to have fun with, and nothing to laugh at.
@runningwithscissors8612
Жыл бұрын
Mad props to Jon for doing his part to keep the “Forces was good, actually” claims from materializing.
@MajoraWaffle
Жыл бұрын
yep. same energy as those that still try and defend 06.
@MadSociety-uy6zg
Жыл бұрын
@@MajoraWaffle really Sonic 06 isn't that bad I rather play Sonic 6 over boring bland Sonic forces any day.
@brycebitetti1402
Жыл бұрын
@@MajoraWaffle At least Sonic 06 had a spark of creativity, and a ton of potential. The game has genuinely good level design, and if the game wasn't breaking in half every second of play it probably would've been at least decent.
@CrashFan03
Жыл бұрын
@@MadSociety-uy6zg i think 06 and forces are different kinds of bad. 06 was bad because they stretched themselves too thin and the game suffered as a result. whereas forces was bad because they failed to really try anything substantially new (and not to mention they watered down any reused stuff) and it just ended up being lifeless and bland.
@MadSociety-uy6zg
Жыл бұрын
@@brycebitetti1402 I played it on the 360 I didn't think it was as broken as people make it out to be majority of glitches you have to go out of your way to do.
@be_rad_
Жыл бұрын
I like the optimism. I hate when people talk about a game and it starts with them sighing and saying we already know it's going to be bad
@be_rad_
Жыл бұрын
But yeah game not good
@bandicootsauce4569
Жыл бұрын
SomeCallMeJohnny said it best: "Sonic Forces is a 3D Sonic game on auto-pilot."
@os9077
Жыл бұрын
Sonic Forces is a great game but it has been judged badly since its first trailer and some are even treating it like its another sonic 06. The game has an amazing soundtrack , interesting story , great graphics , fun gameplay and its stages get better the further you get into the game and it has some of the best modern sonic stages from any boost game i dont know why people hate this game while modern sonic has better and smoother controls from colours' mechanics and classic sonic is alot like the one in mania and the game even allows you to make your own character which is pretty clever and fun im certain anyone who enjoyed generations , colours and unleashed will also enjoy this game dont let people tell you othewise.
@MajorZelDaFan1234
Жыл бұрын
sonic forces jon to give it another chance
@Pacmanfan-po9rn
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Forces got the same love, passion, and detail as Mania.
@noobstoise1024
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if they didn't spend 3 years of a 4 year development time on a graphics engine
@icedcapplord710
Жыл бұрын
@@noobstoise1024 A graphics engine that looks WORSE than OG Hedgehog Engine on top of that.
@noobstoise1024
Жыл бұрын
@@icedcapplord710 Exactly
@Milo_751
Жыл бұрын
@@icedcapplord710 Unleashed still the best looking game after 14 years
@stanzacosmi
Жыл бұрын
@@noobstoise1024 hey, at least going hedgehog engine let puyo puyo tetris 2 be easily moddable thanks to it being on hedgehog engine 2
@ThaThree
Жыл бұрын
One of the Sonic games of all time
@SylvesterAshcroft88
Жыл бұрын
Sonic The Hedgehog was one of the first games I've ever played, and I've been chasing that experience ever since, with the closest probably being the sonic advance games, at least until sonic mania came out, although I'm still holding out hope, they might do sonic adventure 3 eventually, since bayonetta 3 is now a thing!
@Aego384
Жыл бұрын
Who's to say a Sonic Adventure 3 would be good?
@Maubari
Жыл бұрын
Nope, it's a complete garbage - my third most disliked game of all time. The music's good tho.
@dachking6657
Жыл бұрын
16:35 Ah man, I spent so long playing that, stomping…Koopas!
@callmezeldaonemoartime
Жыл бұрын
The duo levels always bugged me looks wise lol, Sonic literally just floating next to the OC every grapple
@lol-ih1tl
Жыл бұрын
It's weird how a franchise gets both a really good and a really bad game in the same year.
@natoriousthehopeful2786
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, that's just par for the course when it comes to Sonic sometimes
@floatsyourgoats6200
Жыл бұрын
Bionic Commando moment
@JomaXZ
Жыл бұрын
If Jon wants some free Sonic serotonin, I'd recommend giving Project 06 a shot. Unless he has already. In which case... Ooooo... I'm a ghooooost...
@Gnidel
Жыл бұрын
I think it's better to wait until it comes out in full. There are other excellent complete games that came out this year that fulfill the need for speedy platforming: - Sonic and the Fallen Star (2D) - Sonic Triple Trouble 16-bit (2D) - Spark the Electric Jester 3 (3D) - Freedom Planet 2 (2D) All of those are masterpieces.
@amirgarcia547
Жыл бұрын
@@Gnidel Tbh Project ‘06 already has all of Sonic and Shadow’s levels fully playable, so I’d say it’s finished enough. The only thing that’s missing are the hubworlds and Silver, but the former are barren af and the latter has the worst gameplay in ‘06, so I don’t think their absence would be felt much.
@brianvaira486
Жыл бұрын
@@amirgarcia547 The brief portion that you play Silver in Kingdom Valley in project 06 felt really good. So I am cautiously optimistic that the full version will redeem the silver sections, though the ball part from dusty desert might still suck, I think that part might be a lost cause
@stanzacosmi
Жыл бұрын
@@brianvaira486 what if the ball puzzle actually gets a camera and line to show where it's going
@Ability-King-KK
Жыл бұрын
Sonic Forces is what happens when you try to appease both the dA side and the SatAM side of the Sonic fandom.
@elidasilva5558
Жыл бұрын
Having read the Ariche Comics as a kid ,inculding the gun control issue, I can deal with anything. Haha
@Ability-King-KK
Жыл бұрын
@@elidasilva5558 Nah, if you've read the issue where Charmy's friend dies from taking LSD, *then* you can deal with anything.
@lpnp9477
Жыл бұрын
What is dA
@Ability-King-KK
Жыл бұрын
@@lpnp9477 An art site. I'd put down the full name, but KZitem tends to delete any comment that does, for some reason.
@anothergamer112
Жыл бұрын
No joke, we can blame Sonic Boom for how this game turned out. After it's failure, SEGA hemorrhaged money for years, so they literally couldn't make something they probably wanted. That said, this game is shit. The story would be at home better on AO3, Modern Sonic and the avatar have such sterile level design and stiff jumps, Classic Sonic is the worst a Sonic character has EVER controlled, even the music is lackluster. Classic stages are some of the worst in the franchise This game made me so mad when it came out, and I had a Sonic profile pic back then. It put me off the franchise for years.
@MoonGhostDoodles
Жыл бұрын
While I don’t hate Zavok (or the Deadly Six as a whole) it’s so weird Sega had a sudden fascination with adding Zavok to the main games and spin-offs and make him a thing for a while.
@OriginalGameteer
Жыл бұрын
I can't give an answer for why he's here, or probably in any other game where he and the Six reappeared. Team Racing I can sort of understand(?) however, given it's meant to be that each team has a speed, technique, and power character, and there really aren't any other characters who could fit "power" and still aligned with Eggman outside of like, a regular robot.
@benmalsky9834
Жыл бұрын
I agree Jon, the avatar is the best part of Forces for me. Not too much of a fan of the game, but playing as the avatar and torching enemies and customization it is SO satisfying.
@Voltricity435
Жыл бұрын
i thought the avatar was easily the worse part of forces. i hated playing all his levels, i legit prefer palying classic sonic in forces over the avatar
@benmalsky9834
Жыл бұрын
@@Voltricity435 I didn’t mind.
@natoriousthehopeful2786
Жыл бұрын
I'm going to be honest: Sonic Forces left me incredibly disappointed. After the success that was Sonic Mania, I had high hopes for Forces but after playing it for a week I was underwhelmed. I honestly did not care for the character creator and avatar levels, Classic Sonic felt like forced last minute addition, and the story/character writing left A LOT to be desired. After Lost World, Forces is easily my most hated Sonic game: the only saving Grace for this game was the banger soundtrack
@theotherjared9824
Жыл бұрын
Forces felt liked they worked on a game for 3 years, scrapped it late in development, salvaged whatever they could and made the game we got in 1 year. The awkward and undercooked ideas, uninspired level design, and plot elements that feel out of place and get abandoned quickly are hallmarks of a patchwork rush job to meet a deadline.
@MrMegaManFan
Жыл бұрын
Considering you stated how much you love even the bad Sonic games in the outset, this is truly one of the most savage reviews possible.
@Sydney_Angelyt
Жыл бұрын
22:50 thankfully you can press Y to see the stages in order. Also the area is on the card.
@NoramiYuuki
Жыл бұрын
you KNOW you messed up when even good vibes gaming doesn't think you're a good game lmaoo
@L8RG8R2U
Жыл бұрын
This is a game that's physically painful for me to look at. And I mean that in a literal sense. When I first started playing Sonic Forces, I was playing on Switch while resting on an air mattress. Randomly in the middle of playing this game, the air mattress burst and I fell really hard on my shoulders. So seeing Sonic Forces brings back a kind of phantom pain in the spot I got hurt. Oddly fitting. Phantom pain. Phantom Ruby.
@EnigmaBarry
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for going into Sonic Forces with an Open Mind and giving it a second chance. It's a shame Forces falls short. I think Forces issues fall down to not giving the game enough time for development. It's very ambitious but the devs seemed to bite more than they can chew. It has 30 stages across three characters but they all end before the really start and don't leave an impression. They're likely short to encourage replayability, but it's hard to replay a game when it was lackluster the first time.
@nathanbraun2067
Жыл бұрын
it's not really a shame. unlike 06 and boom, which where rushed and might have been good, forces is bad because of bad ideas.
@LateNightHalo
Жыл бұрын
Sonic Forces… man this game let me down back in 2017…
@kill3rs529
Жыл бұрын
I enjoy turning my brain off and flying through the levels I like this one eventhough it's not great
@robharli
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for at least trying Jon. I feel the game gets too much hate. That's not to say it's a good game, though. I had fun with Forces. I enjoyed the gameplay. Especially the music. But that's where my like for it ends really. The story is laughably bad and the levels far too short. I tried playing it again myself a few weeks back and just as I was getting into this one level and the music starting to pick up, the level ended...I want to defend Forces at times people hate on it so much. But it's easily one of the most forgettable Sonic games I've played.
@DontKnowDontCare6.9
2 ай бұрын
Were we wrong? Short answer:No. Long answer: No, Sonic Team made a rushed, bad game then. Theyre still making bad games now. Frontiers couldve been good if they knew when to stop with the DLCs.
@XP9724
Жыл бұрын
His face in the thumbnail 😂😂😂
@seanmcbay
Жыл бұрын
I’m with you on double jumps.
@realMetalsonic646
Жыл бұрын
I got this game for $5 on eshop when I used my gold points on it for sale around last year. and.... It was a painfully mediocre experience. Never gonna get back those $5 and the gold points i used it on...
@jonbomb1480
Жыл бұрын
When you ask an AI to make a Sonic game:
@Andrandom890
Жыл бұрын
sonic forces was the game I got with my ps4, and it wasn't good. The first game I got with my ps4, my first sonic game, these should all make strong noestalgic memories, but, no. I beat the game the day I got it or the day after. I remember noticing a peice of bad level design. these things should not happen for a child. maybe public perception ruined my memories, but sonic forces is not noestalgic for me, despite being set up for it.
@AzuraiFrostwing
Жыл бұрын
"I made an AI develop a Sonic OC insert fangame!" except the programming was trash, the story was missable, and it's just as incoherent as you'd expect.
@NeutralGuyDoubleZero
Жыл бұрын
Never forget the effectively false advertising they did with all the previous villains showing up, only for chaos to get beat in a cutscene and defeating shadow in a short free dlc episode
@Itz_Kwame
Жыл бұрын
Forces is a game that exists🙃
@amirgarcia547
Жыл бұрын
It’s the game that was ever made
@Ibalistic_hedge
6 ай бұрын
Forces really isn't that bad. It's not great, but it's really not that bad.
@NinjaKIngAce
Жыл бұрын
Sonic Forces wasn't bad, it was just boring Which is somehow worse
@tyler_abernathy
Жыл бұрын
here before watching the video, just finished replaying forces before this went up and i can say beyond the shadow of a doubt that forces is still hot garbage.
@mythriljojo
Жыл бұрын
The collect 100.000 rings achievement sounds like it becomes infinitely harder when the game caps you at 100 rings in a stage. Dunno how the game logic works but if it doesn't count any rings you collect past a hundred then that's terrible and the ring cap shouldn't have existed or been lower than 999 and then just counting up secretly.
@hawkgoggles
Жыл бұрын
I don't get that last bit on "ambition." I get enjoying the idea of something or doing something different but if I'm going to judge something for what it is, Sonic 06 is just a bad but larger version of SA1. Sonic colors trims the fat of extra game styles but waters down everything from the previous game and Sonic Labyrinth is a test of your patience. I think my main problem with the "ambition" angle with sonic games is that the games people tend to defend tend to have a better version where we already know what it being good looks like. There's no mystery, there's no what if; we already have it and they can't live up the the bar already set, so I guess my saving grace with Forces is that it managed to pass the bar that was Sonic Colors for me. The last boost styled game that the lead game director made; so to me, that sense of growth is better than JUST trying to chase past coattails with a new coat of paint.
@raikohzx4323
Жыл бұрын
The big crux of why this game is so screwed up is because it was directly based off of Lost World code. So Sonic is designed like he should have a run button but doesn't, ramping up to acceleration and then having a jump to a different top speed. Classic Sonic is fudgy for the same reason. The whole thing is functionally Lost World with Boost except worse.
@J.R.Unbound
Жыл бұрын
Zavok has only ever been cool in the comics (at least, to me). He's probably the only "major" character that, if announced to never appear in a single piece of Sonic media again, I'd feel nothing about the news. At least Infinite has good music associated with him.
@adrianleonce455
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree. Zavok was handled nicely in the IDW comics. Everywhere else though, he was not interesting.
@mikem0898
Жыл бұрын
I remember trying Forces out when it was in PS+ as a free game. I've finished it once, then second time and nearly a third time back to back - I liked what I got that much. I've thought it was a pretty fun, brief game, and because it was brief it was suprisingly replayable. Maybe if I bought it day one I'd be fuming with rage, but on sale or when bundled with a subscription it's a nice game. In hindsight it was mediocre-to-ok, and a letdown compared to phenomenal sonic mania, so internet funnymen gave it a thoroughly bad reputation, but I'd imagine without mania casting the longest of possible shadows it wouldn't be received as badly as it did back in the day.
@jollama
Жыл бұрын
Even Sega themselves aren’t proud of this game
@fleckeld7535
Жыл бұрын
I actually do have nostalgia for this game! I remember running into town on a Tuesday after school so exited....... To a GameStop who didn't even stock the game. I went to a local toy shop to get it then went home and beat it within 2 days. I loved every second of it back then and now cannot see it as bad. I somehow put over 40 hours into the game at that time and I can't really comprehend how, but the numbers don't lie lol. I love so much about this game for the memories it gave me, and even if it really isn't that good, I will always love it.
@lpnp9477
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking when he said "nostalgia" like, who the hell is going to have nostalgia for a game that came out last year. it's already been five damn years holy hell I totally get having nostagia for stuff that isn't 'good' though. I have a ton of nostalgia for Sonic Shuffle which is by all accounts a garbage experience.
@fleckeld7535
Жыл бұрын
@@lpnp9477 Yea when it first came out I legit thought it was better then Mario Odyssey
@Faceu7745
Жыл бұрын
@@fleckeld7535 Lmao i also was like that when I was a kid, i played it when I was 12 and now I'm 17. I actually enjoyed a lot of the game but couldn't feel that it was the shortest gaming experience I've ever had lol
@sillyali
Жыл бұрын
I'm ngl I actually really liked Forces for some reason, haha
@cryotheotter4411
Жыл бұрын
"The original Mega Drive games are also incredibly short, but I can't tell you how many times I've replayed them". Me, playing Sonic 2 while watching: ...huh
@GamingtheOtter
Жыл бұрын
12:14 Made Jett the hawk more sex positive. Kudos for a gaming outlet for pushing the boundary for saying sex positive in video game video.
@themissingbits6375
Жыл бұрын
John did not want to play the game again. Sonic forces him to play it again
@alexbaron5486
Жыл бұрын
The only mistake is that they couldnt bring Blaze in.. i mean like , isnt things suppose to unwind back after solaris was toasted ? She deserves a comeback ..
@clairvoyantPastry
Жыл бұрын
i personally like sonic forces, but i've replayed it again recently and i definitely echo some of your criticisms, especially about classic sonic. i enjoy the infinite boss battles and the avatar stages (and creation) which really amps it up for me, so i think if someone doesn't care for the avatar or doing missions to customize them then there's not a whole lot going for it
@ItsATMDrums
Жыл бұрын
Good morning, GVG crew! Let’s have a great weekend ahead
@cjt217
Жыл бұрын
This was actually my (now 7 yr old) son's first Sonic game. I got him Mania and he loved that, so he's very young and has no expectations for any game lmao I assume that's who this was for???!
@GoldenJLR
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that the reason why Sonic controls so bad in this game is because it's based on Lost World. When Sonic start running, he doesn’t build speed naturally. It is as if he was switching between to different speed mode, just like pressing the run button in lost world. The problem with the double jump killing the momentum is also a thing is LW.
@ThisIsCSDX
Жыл бұрын
Allegedly, the reason for Classic Sonic being the way he is in Forces is because they used the Lost World engine as a base instead of the more logical Generations engine.
@tsp184
Жыл бұрын
Apparently, that’s because they lost the source codes of Generations and even Unleashed.
@ThisIsCSDX
Жыл бұрын
@@tsp184 You can't be serious.
@thenightwriter619
Жыл бұрын
Sonic Forces is the best Sonic OC creator I've ever used, and it has a game attached to it too! What a deal!
@wilsonno9675
Жыл бұрын
STONKS
@NotSoGenesiz
Жыл бұрын
ngl i always get some kind of enjoyment whenever i come back to it. i know it’s not a great game, but it’s fun to do speedruns or unlock more avatar pieces. tbh the biggest reason is just to listen to the soundtrack again.
@Kritigri
Жыл бұрын
Oh no Jon, who forced you to play this again Was it Sonic Is that why it's called Sonic Forces
@SpiderHam
Жыл бұрын
It’s my 10 year old son’s favorite Sonic game. It never grabbed me. Funny thing is Sonic Mania never seemed to click with him while I loved it. So different games for different people.
@thefruityking6722
Жыл бұрын
His favorite Sonic game!? I know he's a kid but damn. He'll see the error of his ways eventually.
@Summorial2
Жыл бұрын
yeah I mean when he grows up he will find out. I am currently 15 when I was a kid there are bunch of beat em up games that are pretty mid I loved them and still love them because of the guilty pleasure so the same thing will happen for him he will know that sonic forces is actually not good and accept that fact but it doesn't mean he can't enjoy it or have guilty pleasure with it.
@SpiderHam
Жыл бұрын
He loves creating his own characters and has his own story with them that he plays out on his favorite levels. I think that’s the main pull. Nothing really to do with it being a Sonic game and more a way for him to play out his own stories
@baylordiamond5611
Жыл бұрын
@@thefruityking6722 I mean there are nastalgia blind adults who dilute themselves into thinking 06 was good
@InfiniteThePhantomJackal
Жыл бұрын
@@SpiderHam As someone who also loves creating characters and stuff like that, yeah, Forces is honestly pretty good for that. The Avatar manages to hit the right balance of being an actual character that reacts to things with development, and an avatar for the player to insert any details they want onto the character.
@Ninjago-News
Жыл бұрын
AN Netflix interactive experience..
@OtterloopB
Жыл бұрын
Was it misunderstood? *... No.* This game was an incredible slog to platinum. It's bottom of the barrel, no question.
@slainredd4339
Жыл бұрын
Hard to believe this game is nearly 5 years old
@superbros64deluxe
Жыл бұрын
Video should have been titled "I FORCED myself to finish sonic forces, again"
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