you'll see it here first. I always present the truth, as our best scientists understand it.
@AWWx2
12 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, all of them, but this is definitely a special treat. Thanks for doing this for us all. Glad you could make this trip this year.
@TalladegaTom
12 жыл бұрын
Well documented. TY. I always enjoy absorbing your information. Looking forward to next in the series!
@Gilgamesh2020
12 жыл бұрын
Real old one is roasting his detractors very efficiently.Alarmists hate being called out.Keep up the good work Real!
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Vinnie... Glacial-interglacial cycles are driven by Milankovitch cycles. But those orbital forcings can only account for about 1-2C. It's primarily CO2 feedback and other feedbacks (like albedo) that provide the additional warming that accounts for the 6-8C difference.
@Gilgamesh2020
12 жыл бұрын
So the glacier has been retreating from at least the 19th century when co2 levels were lower.Astounding work Doc.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Turner.... You don't seem to understand that most of the money that goes into climate research does not go to the scientists. In fact, they generally only make their teaching salary at their university. The money goes into the actual research. Ever priced what it takes to put up a satellite? Or what it costs to build and staff an ice coring rig on the Greenland ice sheet?
@blackstartrade1646
7 жыл бұрын
do you have sources for that claim?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Vinnie, Do you know that when you repeatedly post the exact same text that the KZitem system automatically marks it as spam and no one sees it? I had to go to your channel and look at your activity to see this ~15th repost of the same comment.
@floydstinkyboy
12 жыл бұрын
hi there greenman, i was hoping you'd mention that all the glaciers are in this same condition throughout the mountains, for a thousand miles up the coast.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Vinnie... It's obviously NOT a secret forum since YOU know about it. It is a private forum primarily where they SkS authors can evaluate each other's blog posts before they go live.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Thus, it was NOT Peter Hadfield who exited the stage. Peter was still looking for a venue to debate Monckton online. Peter would do it today if Monckton would agree. Peter would even do it on WUWT if Anthony would agree. But it was, in fact, Monckton and Watts who "exited the stage."
@jimbills
12 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to these, Peter!
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Reason 1 a : a statement offered in explanation or justification b : a rational ground or motive c : a sufficient ground of explanation or of logical defense; especially : something (as a principle or law) that supports a conclusion or explains a fact d : the thing that makes some fact intelligible 2 a (1) : the power of comprehending, inferring, or thinking especially in orderly rational ways : intelligence (2) : proper exercise of the mind (3) : sanity b : the sum of the intellectual powers
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
The logic and reasoning you're presenting is compelling. (sarc)
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
PAL review is what occurred at Climate Research when Chris de Freitas rammed Soon and Baliunas' work through that journal, which prompted the resignation of almost the entire editorial staff.
@yubedude
12 жыл бұрын
Good to see ROO is back to explain his mull hypothesis. I don't expect him to nor do I expect him to be honest; I think he enjoys his sophistry too much to post any supporting peer reviewed links that support his null. I expect some vague complaints about models or a run and hide approach rather then a direct reply to the papers that clearly show no natural forcings can explain the current status. of our climate, Given that he avoided the first posting of these papers I expect more of same
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
I would add to that, McIntyre et al should remember the adage: "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones." There is likely to be a day when some random hacker gets into their servers and reveals all their emails.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
The issue is with albedo changes. In the Antarctic the ice melts back pretty much to the coast each summer so the change in albedo either way (more or less ice) is nominal. The opposite is true of the Arctic. The retreating ice is creating a large change in albedo during the summer months. That means the planet is absorbing more heat, which melts more ice, which exposes more water, which absorbs more heat, which melts more ice...
@ncdave4life
12 жыл бұрын
I especially like how Dr. Pelto bends and squishes like Gumby, for a few seconds starting at 0:19.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
"There's no further discussion of AW." Actually, ROO, there was. You just missed it because it was buried in the comments. There is a point in the commenting where AW watched PH's video on GM's channel and makes the statement that he wouldn't allow PH a debate because of the interview, which he actually couldn't make out what was being said because of his hearing disability. I immediately emailed AW and offered to transcribe the video for him but never received a response.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Did you call the station where StAv purchased the gas?
@wjfox2006
12 жыл бұрын
"Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusion that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is due to human activities." -- The National Academy of Sciences
@TheMalcore
12 жыл бұрын
With regards to the kochs commisioned paper green man address this issue. The scientist which was funded by oil money now agrees that global warming is being driven by CO2 increases. The funny thing is when he took out the "urban island heating effect" his model actually showed more rural heating. As for the book it address all varibles that have a scientific consensus. It explains breaks in the trend (late 1940's-1970s) and why they occured. It also gives very easy to understand examles of
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
David... I've read the CIA report. Can you tell me who wrote it? Can you tell me who and where the data comes from?
@WaxItYourself
12 жыл бұрын
Yes, and there's a reason for that. The study was not to measure the effects clouds had on outgoing radiation but rising greenhouse gas concentrations. Again, you are attempting to equate the large region of this study to the single site study of temperature variations in ice cores. Do you think the amount of energy going into the system changes? It has been relatively stable for centuries and has actually been on a slow 6000 year decrease due to Milankovitch Cycles.
@Ahuc899
12 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your reading!! :D Tselioudis, G., A.D. Del Genio, W. Kovari, and M.-S. Yao 1998. Temperature dependence of low cloud optical thickness in the GISS GCM: Contributing mechanisms and climate implications. J. Climate 11, 3268-3281, Yao, M.-S., and A.D. Del Genio 1999. Effects of cloud parameterization on the simulation of climate changes in the GISS GCM. J. Climate 12, 761-779.
@bernzeppi
12 жыл бұрын
The opening paragraph of op-ed published in the NYTimes, Muller announces: "Call me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause."
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
You also have to bear in mind that there are huge differences in Antarctic and Arctic sea ice. The Antarctic maximum was only a tiny fraction higher than previous highs. The Arctic minimum was 18% lower than the previous record low. The Antarctic trend is 0.9% per decade positive and not statistically significant. The Arctic trend is negative by 4.1% per decade and is statistically significant (both figs 1979-2008).
@bernzeppi
12 жыл бұрын
I'll go with that, seeing it's the conclusion of tens of thousands of working climate scientists.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Surely someone with a background in science would understand that science is always progressing. Scientists in all fields meet at conferences to hear lectures, meet with other researchers and keep up with the latest research.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Crop production is NOT up... usda gov/nass/PUBS/TODAYRPT/crop0912 pdf
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Nothing Andrew Khan said invalidated anything said in my article. He was quibbling about a tiny bit of statistical noise. When I wrote the article I had no sure idea exactly how many published research papers there were on climate. The likely figure is closer to something over 100,000 published papers. MOST of the papers on Andrew's list do not contradict AGW. In fact most support it. So, his number is also inflated by about a factor of 100.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
What Al Gore does deserve credit for is working in government to expand the internet to everyone. Gore was THE key legislator that championed the expansion of the internet. We are certainly 10+ years ahead of where we otherwise would be were it not for the efforts of Al Gore on that front.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
There clearly were studies in the 1970's that were discussing the problem of "global dimming" due to aerosols, and there was concern that could push the planet into a new ice age. That was a minor opinion in the larger body of research. Still, even then, most of the research was saying that the bigger problem was going to be warming from man-made greenhouse gases.
@stiimuli
12 жыл бұрын
1) I meant anthropogenic. My apologies. I hadn't had my coffee yet. 2) If you don't like the website I cited then here are the source studies of scientific consensus on climate change that cite was referring to: tigger(DOT)uic(DOT)edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final(DOT)pdf pnas(DOT)org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107(DOT)abstract visionprize(DOT)com/results
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Actually, ROO is a little confused on Trenberth's position relative to the null hypothesis. Last year Trenberth published a piece saying that we should be reversing the null hypothesis. That's to say, the null should now be that man-made greenhouse gas concentrations are the accepted understanding of currently warming and skeptics need to show WHY that would not be the case. He's saying AGW is now the null. Deniers like ROO can just wave their hands and say "it's natural" because it's not.
@theatheistpaladin
12 жыл бұрын
How does that address anything I said?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Do you understand that the difference between that several thousand feet thick ice and today is only a globally averaged temperature of 6-8C?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
And what is truly rich is the fact that the research that ROO tries to quote all contradicts the position he's holding. If he were to contact any of the lead authors of the papers he's citing they would say, "No, sorry but you are misinterpreting my research."
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
ROO, I'm honestly very sorry that websites that actually cite published research scare you so much. I truly am!
@greenman3610
12 жыл бұрын
on it. more soon
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
If he was "staying" (there, satisfied ROO?) in downtown Vancouver saying that he'd paid that, then you might have reason to be skeptical. But he's out in the backwaters of the Northwest Territory! Have you ever been there, Vinnie? Even been to the Yukon? Maybe the north slope of Alaska? It's a different world.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
IPCC AR4 8.6.3.2.4 Conclusion on cloud feedbacks Despite some advances in the understanding of the physical processes that control the cloud response to climate change and in the evaluation of some components of cloud feedbacks in current models, it is not yet possible to assess which of the model estimates of cloud feedback is the most reliable. However, progress has been made in the identification of the cloud types, [cont]
@Loathomar
12 жыл бұрын
The problem with taxing gas and oil is that the effect is a very regressive tax. The poor in the US are spending the most as a percentage of their budget on energy. While rich spend 1-5% of their budget on energy, and the middle class spend ~10%, the poor can spend up 20% of their budget on energy. So, any large increase in energy tax, really harms the poor and barely effects the rich. Increased Fuel Efficiency Standards is nice, but that is now do with 54.5 ave mpg by 2025.
@greenman3610
12 жыл бұрын
there will be more on this topic
@WaxItYourself
12 жыл бұрын
You are attempting to equate temperature variations at a single site on the planet to outgoing radiation in a large region. If you want to find the reasons why read the Griggs 2007 - Comparison Method on page 3984. You can find out further detail in Griggs & Harries 2004 with explanations of how the three sets were compared.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Okay ROO... You're cherry picking on sentence from several paragraphs. They also state: "Given the likelihood that internal variability contributed to the slowing of global tempera- ture rise in the last decade, we expect that warming will resume in the next few years, consistent with predictions from near-term climate forecasts (Smith et al. 2007; Haines et al. 2009)." We've just set records for the warmest recorded year this year.
@dancedissadent2
12 жыл бұрын
Not a lot of sea ice in the arctic in that opening shot. I know its just google maps but blimey, bit prophetic.
@greenman3610
11 жыл бұрын
your point is wrong. we've lost 40 + percent of area, and almost 3/4 or ice mass. You can expect an ice free arctic in summer within a decade or so. see here watch?v=nTUghG2Zwsk
@WaxItYourself
12 жыл бұрын
Apparently you do get your data from blogs as that is exactly what you posted. the change is currently 2ppm/y not 1ppm/y. The atmosphere is increasing at a rate of 15 billion tonnes per year. Human emissions account for over 33.5 billion tonnes per year. The give and take by carbon sinks and sources are relatively equal apart from the oceans absorbing half of human emissions which is the reason why they are decreasing in pH.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Even Roger Pielke Sr and Jr confronted Andrew Khan saying that their research does not suggest what Andrew says it does. They asked him to remove their papers from his list and he refused saying that the authors themselves didn't understand their own research. You see what you're dealing with here?
@netcam2
12 жыл бұрын
do you remember when there was alarmism in the seventies about heading for a new ice age? That prospect is a lot more frightening than the minute amounts of warming the IPCC is claiming to have observed lately.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
[cont] the dynamical regimes and the regions of the globe responsible for the large spread of cloud feedback estimates among current models. This is likely to foster more specific observational analyses and model evaluations that will improve future assessments of climate change cloud feedbacks."
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
I'm posting from my phone, ROO. So, I guess you're saying that all the National Academies are biased, unable to make a rational interpretation of the science, and you're not biased so we should listen to your interpretation over theirs. Do I have that right?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
It's ironical that ROO is quoting Goddard here. The same Goddard that was even too extreme for Anthony Watts to continue to allow him to post.
@WaxItYourself
12 жыл бұрын
And if you'd actually read it Watts specifically states that he will no longer allow Potholer to use his forum because of his collaboration with that evil Greenman3610 when all that occurred was an interview. Monckton backed out. Watts fibbed about the reasons for closing the thread. It was a mutual thing on both their parts. Anyways, back to our discussion.
@greenman3610
11 жыл бұрын
let's see, we've lost 3/4 of ice mass since 1979. what is your point exactly?
@bernzeppi
12 жыл бұрын
Hmm... your channel page shows no activity since 2009. Why am I suspicious? Hope you pay your taxes.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Long term sea level rise is not slowing. How do you expect that we would have glacier mass loss around the planet, net ice loss in Greenland and net loss of ice in Antarctica... and yet sea level rise slowing?
@netcam2
12 жыл бұрын
Are you able to summarize the reasoning at all?
@TheMalcore
12 жыл бұрын
(cont.)...of atmospheric behavior with regards to water vapor. Also one of the main conclusions of the book is that CO2 increase is the primary cause of global warming. It also explains many other things. Im sure u can pick this book up used on amazon for less.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Problem there is that *I* did not imply nefarious activities. And YOU have outright stated nefarious activities where, in fact, none exist.
@pbezunartea
12 жыл бұрын
welcome back!
@Ganahim
12 жыл бұрын
Does Mauri Pelto by any chance have some Finnish ancestry?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
"There you go again w/that PROJECTION..." How many times have we heard that one?
@WaxItYourself
12 жыл бұрын
Do you even understand the differences between outgoing longwave radiation and temperature variations in one small spot on the globe? The reason for the scope is due to the satellites in question and what they measured at the time. These studies were done after the satellites expiry date. these satellites were not made to measure the changes in outgoing longwave radiation over such a long time period and over such a large area.
@bernzeppi
12 жыл бұрын
Check out realoldone2's channel... it says no activity since 2009... don't you find that strange?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
StAv was saying that was the price he last paid at the pump. 1) Why would he say that if it were not true? 2) Why would you not accept such a statement?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
The irony about Solyndra is that they were an incredibly promising technology, but technologies are improving so fast that they got beat. That means the market is working. Was that money wasted? No. It was spent and was an appropriate method for injecting capital into the flailing economy. And Solyndra is only a small portion of the overall program with lots of other promising technologies in clean energy.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
The only difference in discussing here and discussing it there is that you would not be allowed your usual abusive behavior. Thus, YOU are afraid that you can't honestly defend your position without your abusive behavior.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Actually, if you spent any time talking to anyone in the field you'd get the opposite answer. The researchers are extremely concerned about the loss of Arctic sea ice. There are big differences in the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice. nsidc org/cryosphere/seaice/characteristics/difference html
@netcam2
12 жыл бұрын
Obviously you have read it so can you please summarize for me what line of reasoning they used to arrive at the conclusion that man made climate change is incontrovertible?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
ROO, you just don't know what you're talking about. I was a party to the whole process. I was talking to Peter Hadfield almost every day through the whole thing. I was trying to help Peter find a venue to debate Monckton online. In the end Monckton just ignored it (because he knew he would lose) and AW got pissed because he didn't like a video where he couldn't understand what was being said.
@SAsgarters
12 жыл бұрын
Neat, a fellow Finn, at least judging by the name. That lack of an accent suggests he's been over there the greater part of his life.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you know the various meanings of patronize. So stop patronizing.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
The Oregon Petition is a similar list that is also not audited and still only accounts for less than 0.1% of the overall group it purports to pull from. There are well over 30 million people in the US who have a "BSc or equivalent." There are also names on the list that are known to be wrong. Mickey Mouse, for instance. There are many people whose names show up on the list and the people themselves have requested to be removed, only to be ignored by the OP people.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
So, do you REALLY think that StAv believes that without human influence there is absolutely no change in climate? Or would you assume that when he made that statement he would have meant "anthropogenic climate change" and used "climate change" for brevity? Could you be just jumping on another minor and meaningless point? In generally when we talk about climate change and global warming it's assumed that we're discussing man-made influence, NOT whether climate ever changes.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Do you understand that Andrew Khan (aka PopTech) has been banned from many dozens of blogs for doing exactly what he did at SkS? The guy is certifiably insane. He literally made, himself, some 500 comments on just one article at SkS. His bigger issue is actually Firefox. He has spammed dozens of blogs flaming about Firefox and been banned. He's been banned FOUR times from Digg for the same reason.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Do people vent in private correspondences? Well, yes they do! Would you care to share all your private correspondences with all of us?
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
You're going to need to provide more information on Peterson08. Not coming up with anything that says what you claim.
@WaxItYourself
12 жыл бұрын
Yes. And the measurements also consists of frequencies within the Earth's blackbody radiation curve. Do you even understand how frequencies are associated with greenhouse gases? If you do explain the relation between both. It is also well known that, as the world changes, energy will be redistributed within the system. You used a single temperature from a small site while I am using outgoing radiant energy. Explain to me how you can extrapolate a single temperature over the entire globe.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
No, ROO. When YT changed their system last time they neglected to add a reply button to their iPhone app.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
If you can't make any substantive comments why are you even hanging around, Vinnie. You're the one who is SUPPOSED to have a science degree. Surely you can come up with better responses than "snore."
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
ROO... Did you even bother to look at where Labrador City is?
@falloutpc1
12 жыл бұрын
Did not grasp the size of that basin until they showed the tents.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
This is sad. ROO and Vinnie trying to prove StAv's photo is wrong.
@greenman3610
11 жыл бұрын
look for my new video on monday
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Let's see, ROO. Where do you think all the National Academies of Science stand on this issue? Do they stand with StAv? Or do they stand with you?
@greenman3610
12 жыл бұрын
How we Know what we know watch?v=yLYqzIhhT6o copiously annotated in the description.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Rebounding to the level of the Holocene thermal max? Go look at a graph.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
ROO, I was there. AW got pissed over something he couldn't even understand and then banned Peter from WUWT. Those are the facts.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
So, ROO, I'm guessing you're putting all the NAS's in the same category of "blind ideologues."
@manwichstick
12 жыл бұрын
". It is pretty universally accepted that the overall effect is to cool." No it isn't. It also depends which type of clouds you are talking about. And it is only one factor. Overall earth albedo is decreasing.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
I take a certain sense of pride in the fact that I've gotten under ROO's skin enough that he feels the need to google-stalk me.
@treeplanter99
12 жыл бұрын
greenman is back!!!!
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
You certainly do know how to jump topics when you're shown to be wrong. In fact, AW DID ban Peter Hadfield after the GM video. And regarding Tamino (again) yes I refused to ask him a question that was too stupid to ask. I value my connection to him more than I value my connection with you.
@greenman3610
12 жыл бұрын
its big. trust me
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
He hasn't denied it.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
Yes, I know about the CIA summary from 1974. My question was, since when do you go to the CIA to find out anything about science? USUALLY one would go to the science to find out about science.
@robhoneycutt
12 жыл бұрын
No, ROO, you were attempting to twist the language to get out of answering my two questions.
@hal9million625
4 жыл бұрын
Rob... You really need to get a hobby and remember to take your meds.
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