The infamous shared GM and Ford transmission! Fresh fluid and lube guard shrudder fix should do it. Dex 6 or Maxlife synthetic will do the trick.
@jaygold4467
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. He either missed or doesn't know about Shutter Fix. Most likely would solve the rest of the problem.
@BillJBrasky
7 ай бұрын
I have a '20 that just started doing some weird shuddering when moving from dead stop. Not very frequently. It's got 44k miles. Would you recommend a fluid change and shudder fix? Or just keep an eye on it?
@brettmiller7984
5 ай бұрын
Do a drain and fill with a dedicated Dexron VI fluid and you’ll see improvement
@EricTireguy
3 ай бұрын
@brettmiller7984 I just did a drain and filter replacement at 86,000 miles on my 4t60e. I used Acdelco Dexron VI and now my vehicle is shifting hard at every gear. I'm getting a slip at or around 50 miles an hour. Not always changing the fluid works. I used Acdelco dexron that is for gm. This world is pathetic. How can vehicles trans be going out before 100k. This car was babied.
@daveunbranded
Жыл бұрын
I had a similar issue with Chrysler 62TE. Nice shudder post fluid change. I tried another change and it helped for a bit. But ultimately, it was the torque converter failure that was turning the fluid brown. Ultimately the fix was a Gary Ferraro transmission rebuild. Literally went all the way to Hempstead to get it from him. 2 hours drive
@eddiereichel9354
Жыл бұрын
Ya should change the fluid ever 30 40k and ya wont have them issues.
@ckm-mkc
Жыл бұрын
@@eddiereichel9354 TC clutches are a wear item, no amount of fluid changes is going to stop that. Might delay it a bit, but that's about it.
@daveunbranded
Жыл бұрын
@@eddiereichel9354 I changed mine at 90k. But I don't think I could have saved it. I will change it on the new one. One thing we used to do that we don't anymore is #1, the ecomode stays off. Evo mode I think makes the torque converter lock up faster.#2 we don't downshift down hills anymore. Breaks are cheaper than transmissions
@eddiereichel9354
Жыл бұрын
@@ckm-mkc What your saying makes no sense. Fluid slows the wear down and I dont care what lab you use to test fluid with 90k on it is worse than fresh fluid.
@jimthompson6424
Жыл бұрын
I’m a GM trans tech and part of the issue with TCC failure is that the TCC pressure valve solenoid is PWM controlled by the TCM. It’s not an on/off switch. So when you get degraded fluid the PID parameters that control the PWM out put of the solenoid can easily lose control of the TCC. Drain and fill normally fixes it if caught early enough.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
Жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Wish there was a programming update to make the TCC on or off instead of partial slip!
@jimthompson6424
Жыл бұрын
The way the TCM constantly adapts the TCC engagement would be too harsh for most people. It would feel like tow/haul mode all the time.
@skylineir34
9 ай бұрын
Why GM make AT that are worthless peaces of crap???🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@hochhaul
9 ай бұрын
It doesn't help that GM decided they should use a trans cooler bypass to run the fluid hotter than they should in order to boost fuel economy 0.05%. If GM gave customers the choice of either cooking their trans fluid prematurely for a tiny fuel economy boost, or burning a tiny bit more fuel but the transmission runs cooler, no rational human being would opt for cooking the trans fluid. I tell people all the time, with these GM 6 speeds, you have to change it way more often than what GM claims in the service schedule.
@hochhaul
9 ай бұрын
@@skylineir34 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Toyota 8-speeds had the exact same issues with torque converter clutches failing. The Camry in particular. Honda has had torque converter clutch shudder and failures for years. The 2nd gen Ridgeline is particularly vulnerable if the owner uses it like a truck. Manufacturers are trying to squeeze MPG's out of vehicles any way they can thanks to the idiotic government insisting big CAFE averages year after year.
@joncooper9966
Жыл бұрын
I've had good results adding Lucas Transmission fix after a spill and fill.
@cclngthr
Жыл бұрын
I install a Magnafine transmission filter inline in the cooler line. I don't like the non serviceable filter on some transmissions. Easier to keep the fluid clean.
@canalroadadventures5079
Жыл бұрын
Put a couple bottles of Lubegard in it.
@wendwllhickey6426
Жыл бұрын
Had a problem with my trans shutter from stop ,maf sensor replaced then was fine
@brettwilson1972
Жыл бұрын
Lube guard is the best takes care of 90% of issues
@funnydubby6401
Жыл бұрын
@@wendwllhickey6426 probably wasn’t a transmission shutter then
@matth5309
Жыл бұрын
Also known as Dr. Shudder Fix per Scanner Danner 😂
@pantherplatform
Жыл бұрын
I put one of those little read tubes with the pinched off ends in my 1993 crown vic that had never seen any service before I got it and shuddered terribly and it never shuddered again after draining the pitch black fluid. I put it in all my 4R70 transmissions after changing the filter and fluid.
@joshuamerrill2422
11 ай бұрын
I love these diag videos. Great advice and sound wisdom
@itsdavex2
Жыл бұрын
Customer made a wise decision. My 2020 Civic with a CVT, Honda says every 25,000. It's like a 4 qt spill and fill.
@kylebryan4759
Жыл бұрын
The reason you feel it when the tcm is in control is due to PWM. When your commanding it on it is 100% on off style applying at 100% you should feel less of a shudder
@randy1ization
Жыл бұрын
a non accessible filter should be illegal,. they know transmissions naturally wear the clutch discs,, a filter change, if you could get to it would likely cure the issue.
@jerryking2418
Жыл бұрын
great advice.
@richardcourtenay8114
Жыл бұрын
Empty and fill isn't enough. I get my trannies empty and fill at 30,000km and reverse flushed including converter every 60,000. My last two GMs did 500,000km without fault.
@jeremypilot1015
9 ай бұрын
So I have this same issue with my 2008 Hyundai Azera. I changed (not flush) 6 of the 11 quarts, ran it 500 miles, changed 6 quarts again, transmission started acting normal again (Same Syptoms as the Chevy here add a hard shift into third) the second drain and fill everything felt much better. but ran that to 500 miles and drained again. (Can't change the filter on this turd without removing the transmission {stupid}) Anyway the transmission started acting like it did prior to me flushing anything at all. My theory is that the clean fluid works the varnish and debris out of the valve body and turbine, and the object is to keep changing every 500 miles until it cleans the snot out. I really wish I could get a fresh filter in there and Hyundai ought to be sued for designing anything that needs to have the drivetrain removed to swap a 12-dollar filter. Hoping the next drain and fill will make things right. Side note I only use the original equipment fluid SPIII never mix that stuff if you aren't doing a full flush.
@anthony-i1k8c
Жыл бұрын
A little more than 30,000 miles ago I put in Lubegard Platinum ATF protectant (a shudder fix). With fresh fluid and it's been perfect since. I mean perfect. No strange incidents since.
@brianw8963
Жыл бұрын
In a case like this, nothing to lose. I’d give it a try.
@sblagg527
Жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest ATP AT-202 ATF protectant, basically the same thing.
@roadshowerun1770
Жыл бұрын
Yea. Lubegard 60K miles ago is the lost opportunity. Knowing the history of these transmission, Lubegard Instant Shudder Fixx also. I've used Lubegard product for over 20 years. They don't fix broke. But they do a good job of taking the rough edges off shifting and overdrive locking unhappiness. The customer wanted "the new car transmission feel" again. So sad at 95K it is going to cost $5K to get it back.
@aciddiver1978
Жыл бұрын
WHY DO THEY MAKE TRANSMISSIONS WITH A NOT SERVICABLE FILTER AND WITHOUT DIPSTICK???😡
@Runco990
Жыл бұрын
Take a WILD guess! 😉
@lovetheconstitution2637
Жыл бұрын
Planned obsolescence
@mph5896
Жыл бұрын
Pretty much every trans has a way of checking level. It keeps the general public from screwing up the trans under warranty by doing something like adding the wrong fluid.
@donborden5311
Жыл бұрын
and, converters that can’t be drained????
@mrvang8077
3 ай бұрын
That's cause they want to work on your vehicle to make money. It's all common logic to make them more money. But if you're mechanically incline. You can just service it yourself and save those money for something else. I work on all of my own vehicle so stealership will never see the vehicle ever again. Unless they can give me a really great deal then just maybe I'll let them service it for an arm and a leg. Bad deal and they can kiss my ass they'll never see the vehicle again once it leaves the lot.
@quattrohead
Жыл бұрын
17 Colorado with the 8 speed, total and utter junk. Even after 2 fluid changes and eventually a torque converter replacement by the dealer for this well known problem, they said it was fine but it was not. It would clank and bang gear changes, random lack of drive when cool at first junction of the day (scary) and had a super annoying slight slippage/lock/slip/lock cruising on the highway. I dumped it at 45k and bought a Highlander with 220k in great condition and absolutely everything still works perfectly.
@mph5896
Жыл бұрын
I drove a friends 2019 Colorado with that 8 speed. Truck only had 55k on it, shuttered like no other. I changed the fluid out with the Mobil 1 HP and it took care of it. Not sure for how long but...
@JOHNSUE28
Жыл бұрын
Ivan, My procedure is to get the trans up to operating temp and pull the Cooler line at the trans. Using a length of Hose Adapter pipe, and a bucket I exchange all the Trans Fluid. 2 Qts out; Stop and add 2qts. I did my wife's Traverse and also used 1 pint of BG trans additive after the process was finished. That ensures all that crap fluid is gone. 10-11 qts. to accomplish. And much better results I find than a D&F.
@jackpatteeuw9244
Жыл бұрын
That may be good preventive maintenance, but my experience is, if the fluid is dark or smells odd, it is already TOO LATE !
@elwoodwilliams-k1n
7 ай бұрын
That the same way I have been doing tranny fluid changes for years & never had a failure yet.
@johndesaavedra1040
Жыл бұрын
Pull off a cooler line and pour 12 quarts through it while running.
@NoWr2Run
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@altontyler865
Жыл бұрын
GM has had a crap ton of problems with transmissions from around 2014 up to 2017-2019. Mostly with the 6L80 and 6L90's. Starts out as a Torque converter problem similar to what you had here and ends up a completely ruined transmission when the converter lets go. The fins inside the torque converter overheat, shatter and sends the fragments throughout the transmission. Working at a GM dealer parts department where I live, we were/are selling anywhere from 60-75 remans a month! One dealer...60-75 transmissions a month. At times GM can't keep up with the rebuilds to supply the demand. GM also says "there's no problems with the transmissions". Really? The running joke when someone comes in to buy parts for a vehicle with a suspected bad Tranny is "better save up for a transmission, cause it's going to need one before 100,000"! The typical way to fix or head off problems before they start is to replace the Torque converter with a good quality Billet converter. The whole thing is sad that GM won't fully take responsibility for engineering screw ups. I believe someone has finally started a class action lawsuit regarding the problems with the transmissions.
@hochhaul
9 ай бұрын
GM used a trans cooler bypass thermostat that ran the fluid really hot in order to squeeze a fraction of an MPG out of their vehicles to make the government happy. Everyone that had a 2014 or newer GM half-ton or suv with the 6 speed complained about the transmission running at 190F or as high as 230F when plowing snow. That cooks the fluid really fast and damaged the friction on the torque converter clutch. There's even a TSB and a new bypass thermostat available that keeps the trans fluid down around 160F. If the transmission isn't shuddering yet, better change that bypass thermostat. If the shudder isn't bad, it can be saved. The 8L90's had the issue with the original Dexron HP fluid absorbing moisture and affecting viscosity. Mobil reformulated the trans fluid to address that back around 2019 or 2020 and fixed a lot of issues with that.
@allenleavell2847
Жыл бұрын
I have a similar issue with my 2015 Impala. They say that this is a common issue with this particular transmission. However, my previous car was a 2012 Impala with the same transmission, and in the 8 years I had that car I never had this issue. I was considering trying to get it fixed, but between the high costs and time I'd be without my car, it'd probably be more trouble than what it's worth, especially since it really is a minor annoyance as you said.
@athhud
Жыл бұрын
Right there with you brother. My wife’s 2016 Impala has the same problem. I THINK I have it narrowed down to a leaking or stuck valve/actuator/accumulator in the valve body. I thought about just using the parts cannon approach and throwing a Sonnax Zip Kit in there, but would really rather narrow it down more because I don’t want to go through the trouble of installing the zip kit and find out it is a clutch boost or TCC control valve that isn’t included in the zip kit. How is your fuel mileage?
@allenleavell2847
Жыл бұрын
@@athhud it's just under 20 mpg
@kylemcauly7663
6 ай бұрын
I have same issues starting in my 13 lt at 175k , dint drain or fill or flush since 100k said on car fax fluids dark but not burnt I get the rpm glide n shit shifts a hard down shifts got about 50 miles with one tube shutter fix with old fluid in still dint help don't have cash for a drain and fill for at least a month let alone it breaking completely
@kylemcauly7663
6 ай бұрын
My mpg is same 21 avg
@amundsen575
Жыл бұрын
instant shudder fixx worked great for me on an infinity qx80. I couldn't believe 2 0z. of this stuff and 4 qts of fresh trans fluid worked. Factory updated calibration did nothing. Many cars use PWM to control the tcc lockup to make it shift smooth. On my GMC Yukon I can program it with HP Turners to extend converter life.
@jakeandrus690
Жыл бұрын
We used to run into this all the time with 2010-2018 acura's. A fluid flush fixed 95% of them. A few did require torque converter replacements. Its probably the same crummy manufacturer for the torque converters
@brassmule
9 ай бұрын
The 04 through 09 Acuras, Gen 3, also require routine fluid drain and fill, and oftentimes the 3 and 4th gear pressure switches would need to be replaced anyway.
@hochhaul
9 ай бұрын
Honda put out TSB's for the 2nd gen Ridgeline. Same thing. TCC shudder leading to TC replacement. Toyota caught some heat for the 8-speed having TC failures too. Not uncommon with Camry's equipped with the 8-speed. You're probably right about it being a OEM issue. More "sustainable" ie cheap friction being used or something.
@kevincampbell8298
Жыл бұрын
Friend had a similar issue we had to drain and fill 3 times before the fluid looked good after some driving. Then it was fine. Its nonsense that there is no serviceable filter. They could have just put an oil filter type filter externally on the design.
@Thepartguy
Жыл бұрын
We put the shudder stuff in every one we have come in the shop for a shudder. Works great. The converter clutch doesn't ever lock up solid so it wears constantly. It is pulsed applied too.
@_RiseAgainst
Жыл бұрын
Back in my day we had transmission filters you could replace, we just chose not to.
@ArtRuiz-zi3jm
5 ай бұрын
We call that a "California option".
@davidfarmer7397
Жыл бұрын
My 2017 Ridgeline has a problem with this. Changing the fluids in the trans does fix it. Honda claims it is the guild is getting overheated. They want you to dump and fill three times and they should fix it till the next fluid change. I just dump my fluid at every oil change and the problem hasn’t come back.
@paultro8457
Жыл бұрын
I own 2 GM products so i change mine often. Transmission fluid is often overlooked but so very important. I do a spill and fill on both my vehicles every 20K miles. It's cheap insurance for your Transmission. And super easy to do.
@robertmedina6875
Жыл бұрын
That’s smart
@robertduklus6555
5 ай бұрын
Good call. I do complete flush every 30 k since new. The Santa fe tranny still runs good even with towing the boat and occasionally running it at 200-220 f
@InternetUser-rz5gy
2 ай бұрын
It doesn't make any difference. I had the same thought process as you and did the 15k 20k fluid changes and mine still failed. Dealer just quoted me 7,900 to replace the transmission saying the clutch is burned and the torque converter is bad because of a sruck tcc. My best advice is to just buy rear wheel drive cars so when it inevitably fails it's easier to swap out. 2017 impala with 85k Miles on it.
@txdm9383
Жыл бұрын
TCC shudder seems to be quite a common issue with many modern automatics, getting fresh fluid in them before the shudder gets too bad tends to help but it's usually not a permanent fix. I think alot of the problem is most of them never fully lock the converter clutch, most seem to target around a 30-50 RPM slip even when the converter clutch is "locked" so there is always wear taking place on the converter clutch disk(s), couple that with there not being much material on the clutch to begin with and you have premature failures.
@averyalexander2303
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I personally think a TCC should either be on or off, not constantly slipping. I have no problem with using PWM control to smoothly apply the clutch, but once it's engaged, it should be fully engaged until it needs to be disengaged. I don't see any real benefit to letting the clutch slip constantly and, as you said, it definitely wears the friction material. From my understanding, the idea is that the clutch slippage absorbs some of the engine's vibrations for a smoother experience, but if that's really so important, how do the same model cars with the same engine bolted to a manual transmission drive just as smoothly with a direct connection and no slippage at all?
@emailuser3869
Жыл бұрын
My 18 Chevy Colorado Diesel w/ the 6 speed is VERY sensitive to trans fluid quality. About half-way into my latest tranny fluid service interval, I started getting both a) shudder at low power levels and up-shifting and b) harsh abrupt shifts at moderate to high power levels. I added 8-10oz of tranny friction modifier and the tranny shifts like new. Recommend: if you're still more than 10k miles out from a change, drain about 8-10oz from the tranny and replace that volume with a quality friction modifier OR flush and fill early.
@RobertHancock1
Жыл бұрын
Indeed, the constantly slipping TCC seems like just a bad idea.
@JackS425
Жыл бұрын
They have been slipping the tc for decades with no issues. The “pwm” style TCC setups usually have a lot more friction material than standard on/off systems. There needs to be some slip imo, a few rpm, to act as a damper for NVH from the engine, but it should still fully lock under moderate load situations. Like a hill or with a trailer.
@averyalexander2303
Жыл бұрын
@@JackS425 But there have been issues as proven by this video and many others on many different vehicles. And if they have to constantly slip the clutch for NVH reasons, can anyone explain how manual transmission vehicles drive so smoothly with no clutch slippage at all? The theory makes sense, but if it was such a big issue, wouldn't manual transmissions drive noticeably rougher?
@leonardodavinci303
Жыл бұрын
I had a similiar problem with a 2006 Honda CRV with 200k miles. Changing fluids x 3 helped but not completely. As a Hail Mary, I added a product which promised to help/cure. The product is Lubegard 19610 Instant Shudder Fixx, 2 oz. Unbelievably, it worked and the fix lasted 20k miles. When some slight shudder returned I repeated the Lubegard. Still working 30k later. Honestly, I was shocked.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
Жыл бұрын
That's impressive!
@jeffsomers28
Жыл бұрын
Nice video Ivan. Just an FYI... On my 2013 Traverse I flushed out at the trans cooler return and filled at the same time until spilling red fresh fluid. Only used about 3 gallons but well worth the effort. Videos out there somewhere I learned from. Use clear vinyl hose.
@HuskerRed11
Жыл бұрын
Got a 2010 Traverse I've been wanting to do this on. Which one is the transmission cooler return..the top or bottom line into the radiator? Thanks.
@JDel709
Жыл бұрын
My brother's Silverado is doing the exact same thing. Hopefully a fluid change will help his as he is currently pricing transmissions.
@brianw8963
Жыл бұрын
It won’t.
@rileypup5959
Жыл бұрын
The fluid that you use matters, what year is the truck ? 6 speed, 8 speed or 10 speed ?
@ckm-mkc
Жыл бұрын
It's not the transmission, it's the torque converter - should be around $250 - try to buy a Transtar Recon - they have the best warranty.
@mph5896
Жыл бұрын
@@ckm-mkc Sure plus the time or the labor to swap it. Then $100 in fluid plus any additional other parts required.
@wyattoneable
Жыл бұрын
Solid video Ivan. I appreciate your insight and enjoy the diagnosis.
@tombiggs4687
Жыл бұрын
20 years ago, a drunk driver totalled our car (Volvo, no injuries), we needed a replacement fast. We had three kids so a minivan was an acceptable option. Went to look at a 90s Chrysler minivan. Everything checked out. The owner said "Look, I'll be right up front with you, the transmission shudders and bucks. My mechanic said it'll need a new transmission, and I don't want to mess with it, I'd rather sell. But of course I'll take that cost off the sale price." I looked it up on the internet and read that you had to use the specific 7176 Chrysler fluid in that transmission. I told the guy and he was like, well, maybe, but I think you'll need a transmission anyway. So I bought it at his discounted price. I bought the 7176 fluid and a filter, drained the old fluid out, put the correct fluid in. On the test drive it still shuddered, at first. But then it just started working, I guess the fluid had to flush through. It shifted like buttah from then on. The dipstick said use 7176 OR Dexron-4. I'm pretty sure I drained out dexron-r4 - it sure worked better with 7176. So I stuck with it.
@peto22
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, this is a classic example of a worn out torque converter lockup clutch.
@kylebryan4759
Жыл бұрын
Coming from a guy who rebuilds transmissions use ford XL3. Best additive for fixing TCC slip
@ronaldwilkinson6685
Жыл бұрын
I've replaced many torque converters in 6T70E transmissions for this exact concern for TCC clutch material degradation.
@edcox1234
Жыл бұрын
I think you're one of the best KZitemrs there is. Your patience with shooting the shots and narration is fantastic. I'm retired but I learn a little every time watching your videos. I had no idea what one could do with diagnostic technology that you use as well as you do. Thanks! Ed
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
Жыл бұрын
Hey Ed I appreciate the feedback! 🙂👍
@mph5896
Жыл бұрын
I fixed a friends 4l80 with a tcc P0741 code. New valve in the valve body and new TCC solenoid. That got the torque converter clutch working again, and it shuttered like no other🙃. I put 2 bottles of Lubeguard tranny shutter fix and it mostly took care of that. Alternative is $. Told my friend live with it or have the trans rebuilt. He was also complaining of some occasional shift quality issues. Those fwd 6 speed GM's, same. 1 bottle of shutter stopper. If it still does it, add another.
@ehc1999
5 ай бұрын
Do you need to drain some of the trans fluid before you add the lubeguard? I have a 4l80 on my truck and it’s doing the same thing like the video and i am currently saving up for a transmission rebuild and am wondering if this would help in the meantime thanks.
@aldntn
Жыл бұрын
I change fluid in my Rogue CVT every 20kmi. Now has 120kmi on it. Fingers crossed.
@llewellynreed8139
Жыл бұрын
Ivan, I use to deal with Chrysler A604 transaxle transmissions a lot. I used the OTC monitor 4000 scan tool. You could check the CVI (clutch volume index). It would give you a good indication of the clutch wear. My question to you is this readout on the newer cars today possible with the Think tool scanner? Sure would be helpful in a situation like this.
@ckm-mkc
Жыл бұрын
You can get CVI and other values which allow you to approximate CVI. However, CVI is not available on some years of FCA products, IRC 2011-14 for some unknown reason. It's the Mercedes trans and you can get CVI on a Mercedes, but not on the FCA variant.....
@brendenaerosmithfarr8226
Жыл бұрын
This makes the old 4T65E GM transmission seem like a better made one than the 6 speeds put in those Traverses and other GM products
@int53185
Жыл бұрын
The six speed was a joint venture between Ford and GM. The early versions had serious problems like broken wavy plates and bad torque converters. A serious design flaw was the internal non replacement filter. Tells you the expectation was about 100k miles before failure.
@mikebuffing727
Жыл бұрын
Does this go back to like roughly 2000/2002 era? For ford it’s the 6F35?
@bradnoyes7955
Жыл бұрын
@@mikebuffing727 2000/2002 No, it was developed in 2006 but yes it is the design used in the 6F35, 6F50, & 6F55. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM-Ford_6-speed_automatic_transmission I also experience Torque Converter Shudder in my 2010 Taurus with the 6F55 but that was at over 240k miles. One thing to note is the low viscosity fluids used in these transmissions gets dark quick.
@skylineir34
9 ай бұрын
Why GM don't make reliable cars in general????🤔🤔🤔🤔
@haroldyoungblood8287
9 ай бұрын
You hit the nail on the head. These transmissions won’t go 100,000 plus without changing fluid. I don’t know if it is the modifiers or just accumulation of particles. We took our 2020 traverse to a local 40 year trans shop and had it flushed before we got symptoms. I learned from our 2011 traverse. It started shuddering at 100,00 miles. We just baby it. It has about 250,000 on it now. I spill and fill often and add modifiers. Don’t wait for symptoms. Find a reputable trans place to flush it properly.
@steadyeddie7453
7 ай бұрын
@@haroldyoungblood8287 The problem is that manufacturers are forced to program the trannys to upshift too soon for higher MPG and lower emissions. But this strains the trans and causes the clutch packs to slip more than usual as they try to stay engaged. The result is worn clutch material and metal dust that turns the fluid into a black slurry. 60K miles is about the max between fluid changes.
@daveyio87
Жыл бұрын
I don't think there is anything wrong with the transmission, I think its the torque converter. I'm not very strong at diagnosing transmissions as that was the last thing in my career i focused on because they don't pay well under warranty. I can rebuild them all day with no problems. I would have recommended a transmisison flush which would have hooked into the lines and did a 1-1 exchange, but draining and filling a couple of times will get most of the fluid out and should fix the concern, if it doesn't then the torque converter should be the fix. GM states the fluid is dark like that from the additives put in during assembly such as a vehicle with low miles the fluid will be that dark and is not a concern. Obviously if it smells burnt or full of debris thats a different story. The 8speed mainly have torque converter and valve body problems, some have internal problems, the 9 speeds i've seen burnt clutches, broken hard parts. pretty much every 9 speed gets both valve bodies. I haven't been inside a 10speed yet other than the front cover for a bad pump idler gear. Most customer pay transmission we sell a reman as it comes with a better warranty 3years 100k vs the 12months 12k warranty on the parts replaced.
@ATSNorthernMI
Жыл бұрын
The torque converter will eventually start shedding metal directly into the transmission and start disintegrating it on top of it constantly burning up the fluid. The whole entire assembly should be replaced. I've had them burn fluid and lockup really weird until I start loosing gears and having to be stranded on the side of the road. I hate automatics for that reason. It seems previous owners don't maintain them and tow heavy objects to their max capacity until it starts burning up the torque converter. Same goes with people towing in over drive. It constantly locks and unlocks the torque converter causing more friction to build up and more heat which burns the fluid up faster.
@natersalad889
Жыл бұрын
I worked at a trans shop for 10 years, to prove it was a TCC friction material issue, we would add half a bottle of motorcraft friction modifier (stinky stuff) let the vehicle run for about 10 minutes and go drive within about 3 tcc engagements if it's lining related it will go away and sometimes it actually I'll go away for quite a longtime. But this is mostly used for diagnostic purposes but we did have a silverado that decided not to replace converter and came back 3 years later with no reverse but said tcc was still working good. Also these traverses had a tcm flash that would keep the converter from locking up in lower gears to keep it from chucking and lugging down the engine at slow speeds. But was only to be used as a customer concern not as a standard to do to all that used that 6 spd trans. The idea for using PWM tcc control is to make the application of the clutch soft, like a soft shift, I agree full engagement all at once would prolong clutch lining life, and most truck applications, especially the 4l60e and 4l80e we'd block off the pwm tcc valve in the valve body so when the main on- off tcc solenoid came on it would apply the tcc fully all at once and it basically eliminated an tcc lining warranty issues long term, they used a pwm solenoid and just an on off solenoid togther on those transmissions
@mikerobbins5049
11 ай бұрын
I sure wish there was someone like you who understand this stuff and can figure out what is actually wrong with a vehicle rather than just throwing parts at it and hope it fixes it....
@donerickson1954
Жыл бұрын
That black oil suggests a slipping clutch, likely the converter lockup clutch.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
Жыл бұрын
Yup 😊
@brianw8963
Жыл бұрын
Lord it’s a damn shame what these cars have gotten to. 👍👍🇺🇸
@Vlda2393
Жыл бұрын
3:30 My own rule about automatic transmission is to replace filter and fluid at 50.000 km (30.000 miles). So far, never had any issues with transmissions, regardless of the vehicle I had at the time...
@dumasmcgee
10 ай бұрын
Have to pull the trans and split it to change filter on these transmissions
@BraydenRocks65
5 ай бұрын
Hey after hearing about the shaking from you and the comments here I wanted to share what I found out. As an owner of a 2017 Cadillac CTS 2.0 turbo I got with 88k km on it, I noticed the same shaking when I drove it between 50 - 60 mph or 75 - 80 km going upwill on cruise control. After a lot of discussion around the issue I found out it to be called a “torque shudder”. I found out it’s common will these cars that don’t get transmission flushes done on them on time. In fact this cars transmission wasn’t changed at all! The fix for this torque shudder is to pour roughly 10 litres of trans fluid through it as a super flush. It cost around $1300 but it was recommended by GM. Once it got done the problem completely went away forever. Never had the issue come up. In fact I got it done on my second 2016 Cadillac CTS 3.6 as well as that car also had that shuddering. (Though not as bad ). If you need a mechanic from gm to talk to I can hook you up.
@germanjesus
Жыл бұрын
GM just keeps getting worse and worse Brand new 2023 GM vehicles are having catastrophic engine failure and transmission failure. Buy old if you can find anything
@cullenmiller8170
Жыл бұрын
Nice video. I would drain fluid one more time and flush cooler and lines. There’s a product called Dr Shudder fix and it seems to help. I did a Transmission on my old Crown Vic and it helped. Paul has a video where he used it on one of his brother’s customer car and it seemed to work too.
@kevin9c1
Жыл бұрын
Shuddering can basically be cured by adding Lubegard Instant Shudder Fixx. If it's a torque converter clutch problem, it'll probably cure it. Add a second tube if needed. I do recommend changing to whatever the latest recommended fluid is first (might just be good Dexron VI). Remember that torque converters have been PWM for 20+ years and most of them are designed to actually slip during engagement. If it locks up and holds manually that is a good sign and my recommendation will probably work.
@kevin9c1
Жыл бұрын
Aw man, customer got rid of the vehicle. This would have been a good case study for the additive. It really does work. Oh well.
@natersalad889
Жыл бұрын
@kevin9c1 I worked at a trans shop for 10 years, to prove it was a TCC friction material issue, we would add half a bottle of motorcraft friction modifier (stinky stuff) let the vehicle run for about 10 minutes and go drive within about 3 tcc engagements if it's lining related it will go away and sometimes it actually I'll go away for quite a longtime. But this is mostly used for diagnostic purposes but we did have a silverado that decided not to replace converter and came back 3 years later with no reverse but said tcc was still working good. Also these traverses had a tcm flash that would keep the converter from locking up in lower gears to keep it from chucking and lugging down the engine at slow speeds. But was only to be used as a customer concern not as a standard to do to all that used that 6 spd trans. The idea for using PWM tcc control is to make the application of the clutch soft, like a soft shift, I agree full engagement all at once would prolong clutch lining life, and most truck applications, especially the 4l60e and 4l80e we'd block off the pwm tcc valve in the valve body so when the main on- off tcc solenoid came on it would apply the tcc fully all at once and it basically eliminated an tcc lining warranty issues long term, they used a pwm solenoid and just an on off solenoid togther on those transmissions
@kevin9c1
Жыл бұрын
@@natersalad889 Yeah, PWM TCC apply has been around since 1995 in the 4L60E as far as I remember. I think that transmission control update also applied to the 5L50 as I had an STS with that issue. Still required the additive but the additive and fluid maintenance made the problem essentially go away.
@greggc8088
Жыл бұрын
Lubeguard shift shield/shudder fix or Ford Motorcraft limited slip XL3 friction modifier. Works on all transmissions. Was once a Ford field fix for TCC shudder/rumble strips light throttle. Makes the clutches/ATF run cooler too.
@johnriley7053
Жыл бұрын
"Allegedly" Mercon ULV fluid has the XL3 blended in when bottled. 👍
@greggc8088
Жыл бұрын
I always figured Mopar ATF 3 had some kind of friction modifier in it too. When I worked in the shop and had lots of extra on hand I would run it in place of Mercon V and Dexron III on my cars for a good smooth shift. Viscosity on that old stuff might not work in some places though. @@johnriley7053
@wench975
12 күн бұрын
having Chevy traverse model 2014, had no any issues, should I use lubegard protectant , or just leave it as iy is fine so far.
@68pishta68
Ай бұрын
would a TCM reset help with a new trans fluid flush? I know my Mazda 3 took a reset, shifted terrible for 10 'shift cycles" and then magically mellowed out with no more hiccups.
@jamesanderson4014
Ай бұрын
Change fluid twice and then drive test again. Still got problems transmission repair time check solenoid for transmission use high grade synthetic fluid. Good luck.
@robertbowers7454
2 ай бұрын
I have a 2017 Traverse that is doing the same thing. You are using the Thinktool PROS, my question is can I do the same diagnostics with the PRO. It is about half the price and I want to confirm the issue with my car before deciding what to do with it.
@hoosiertrailrider
Жыл бұрын
You should always start by checking the fluid level.
@phprofYT
Жыл бұрын
When I bought my Ram in 2017 (Model 2014) I asked the service counter about transmission fluid change interval. I already knew what they were going to say but I wanted to see their answer. Without hesitation she said, "They are filled for life." I asked, "Is that the life of the truck, the transmission, my life, or just until it dies on the side of the road?". She shrugged her shoulders and smiled. They know it is BS but that is the line they are given to tell by the manufacture. I changed it out at about 85k. I tow enough that it needs a fresh change. Speaking of which the other vic needs a change soon.
@youdagoob
7 ай бұрын
I tried replacing fluid and adding anti-shudder in my 2012 Buick Enclave. Didn’t help. Ended up replacing the torque converter. Problem solved.
@richb419
Жыл бұрын
Brown fluid always means burnt clutches usually caused by low pressure for some reason. the trans will fail in the future
@Cowboy_Ash
Жыл бұрын
This car will need a torque converter replacement soon.
@robertduklus6555
5 ай бұрын
Btw did you do the research or just read available information. ?? Research usually results in new findings. Cant believe the number of researchers nowadays Cheers
@eddiereichel9354
Жыл бұрын
Unfortuatly no one changes transmission fluid until they have a problem. In most cases its way too late.
@rickreid81
Жыл бұрын
Those year of chevy traverse were awful mechanically speaking. Trade it get something else.
@robertduklus6555
5 ай бұрын
Is the current Traverse with 3.6 and 9 speed also of questionable reliability?
@topher8634
Жыл бұрын
Waiting until you have transmission problems is too late to decide to change the fluid and filter.
@CALVINLNIKONT
Жыл бұрын
I thought that you said that the lady had a spill and fill transmission fluid change a short time ago. That supposedly new fluid shouldn't be brown and smell bad. What's the real truth???
@kc360awareness
Жыл бұрын
Dr Shudder Fix to the rescue! Approved by ScannerDanner
@richardnilsen5
Жыл бұрын
If that tyranny had a temperature Guage on it as soon as the cooler started to fail The owner would have known the fluid is to hot and would have had the cooler replaced with a fluid change and would have been like brand new I have an idea let's not put a temp Guage on the tyranny damn bean counters they suck 👹💩🤡💩😁
@emii4233
Жыл бұрын
The valve bodies are able to be removed they have plastic like disk in them u can change out fairly easily it should help pretty sure they are warn out..had to do them on my 07 acadia
@dylanbutler7804
10 ай бұрын
Any update?
@johnnicol8598
Жыл бұрын
The interior on that thing looks ludicrous cheap. GM should be ashamed. It's not a bottom line vehicle.
@scott8919
Жыл бұрын
I know someone who had one of these. The dealer said gear hunting was normal at 35-40 MPH and then the transmission blew a few months later.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
Жыл бұрын
Oops 🤣
@kennethbode2017
Жыл бұрын
I have an Enclave with that trans. Even when the fluid on the stick looks OK what comes out is showing deteriorzation. I dumped mine around 65K and will do it again next oil change. Some folks recommend doing a drain and fill, driving to heat up trans and doing it again when it looks like yours did
@ArtRuiz-zi3jm
5 ай бұрын
That transmission will cause an engine to activate other codes which could be misleading.
@robpeabo509
Жыл бұрын
I have a sealed for life automatic transmission in my diesel LR3. I bought it second hand a few years ago. The seller was a Rover specialist. They replaced not only routine maintenance items but also known fail points including parts that did not require replacing then and there, but are known to fail. Ie plastic water pipe “Y” in the valley, timing belt, HP fuel pump belt, tensioners, front & rear crank seals, front, rear, transfer case AND gearbox fluids. I am a firm believer of there being no such thing as a lifetime fluid. If there was such a fluid it certainly would not be in an Automatic box that has friction material wearing through every gear change as well as in the lock-up torque converter. If anything a manual gear box would have better chance surviving till the vehicle goes to the scrapyard. Having said that, I would not leave any fluid that long. For me, 80,000km (50,000 miles) would be as long as I would let an automatic gearbox fluid go. I myself will be having the filter replaced and a fluid flush undertaken, not a spill and fill. A much cheaper option than a gearbox replacement. That will be the last one I do in my ownership of the LR3. It will be sold well before a third one is due during my ownership. I have worked with oils albeit HV insulating oils and I can tell you, no oil lasts forever, and those oils have for less stress placed on them than lubricating oils, and they do degrade; all oils do! Diff oils turn black due to wear, mostly heat related just as automatic gearbox fluids fail. BTW, as a Rover owner, I am keen on you doing a video on the Rover you have in for repair. Please do one and post it Ivan.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
Жыл бұрын
Land Rover video coming very soon :)
@throttlebottle5906
Жыл бұрын
ahh, more fine stooge engineering (transmission, fluid, programming and more).
@Garth2011
Жыл бұрын
It needs a new torque converter. The lock up clutch feature is likely burned up, not all that uncommon. Transmissions shops will use a BNI replacement, a better quality torque converter. BTW, for only 5,000 miles ago, that fluid draining out of the trans is way too black. Its also a good practice to never flush out trans fluids, especially on high mileage vehicles that never had a fluid change. Its best to simply drain, change filter and refill and the interval is likely best at every 30,000 miles depending on mostly highway miles or city stop and go miles. Fluid is cheap, transmission rebuilds are expensive.
@lo1234-w9r
Жыл бұрын
One upon a time a person could unplug a connector and run a car without the TCC lockup. My daughter had a chev cavalier with a sticky lockup valve in the trans, I pulled the connector and she drove it 2 more years without the TCC lockup enabled. Probably not great for gas mileage.
@Garth2011
Жыл бұрын
@@lo1234-w9rMy daily driver is an 89 GMC V1500 Suburban...it had the 700R4 overdrive. In town, I have it in drive, only on the highways without traffic do I use overdrive mainly because OD is useless below 40 MPH and it will not allow the engine to slow down the vehicle at all, it coasts. Makes no sense in city or heavy traffic to use OD. In either selection, the torque converter engages lock up. You can tap the brake lights to disengage it and a few other means.
@Guillotines_For_Globalists
Жыл бұрын
WOW - One of the last trans dipsticks AND a drain too? Thanks GM! But no more!
@Pointlesshandle48
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was surprised to find a dipstick with a much easier to fill hole AND a drain plug lol.
@paulmoffat9306
Жыл бұрын
My old Chevy Trailblazer had recurring transmission issues, and the dealer did the repair each time. By the 3rd failure, I had enough (the torque converter lockup was disengaging and re-engaging at highway speeds with very LOUD 'BANGs). I went to an 'olde tyme' transmission place, and bought a re-manufactured transmission from Jasper. No further issues. However, I later found out that there was a SB out on this very fault (Water intrusion in the ATF via the dipstick tube) and the dealer never followed the corrective remedy.
@ckm-mkc
Жыл бұрын
You don't need a new transmission, only a torque converter - the lockup is in the TC, not the trans....
@htownblue11
Жыл бұрын
No lie Ivan, just flushed and replaced tranny filter and fluids on my X5 today. You have taught me well master! 😂😂😂😂
@mobileoncue1370
Жыл бұрын
Drop the pan and CLEAN YOUR MAGNETS people! Fluid change @ 10k/30k/60k and go from there.
@volvo09
Жыл бұрын
Can't do it on many modern cars... have to pull the trans and crack it open to access the filter and any magnet. But you can still change the fluid... looks like this vehicle went over 90k miles on the factory fluid before the owner had it changed. Which is a shame since it's so easy to do on this vehicle.
@KentDiego
Жыл бұрын
Now days 95K miles is about all you can expect between rebuilds. Time to rebuild.
@tomaspakutinskas4709
5 ай бұрын
Next time add lubergard platinum and you should be fine
@dna9656
6 ай бұрын
Wow, what a surprise [nOT!
@mgrella63
6 ай бұрын
my car is a 2012 Buick Enclave with 91k is doing the same damn thing ,I just changed the throttle body gas pedal spark plugs and coils and its still doing the shudder,must be the transmission. I just bought the car a month ago. I think I know why the last owner got rid of it! UGH!!!!!
@RyanFixesCars
6 ай бұрын
Diagnosis time from a vetted professional technician, is a lot cheaper than all of the parts you wasted money on.
@screamingflat6
5 ай бұрын
Hello, do you work on Porsche 911? Thanks!
@happy543210
Жыл бұрын
Those traverses have a reputation of being absolute pieces of garbage.
@meblake7359
4 ай бұрын
I know it would be expensive, but could you drain and fill the transmission, run it through the gears 5 times (warmed up), repeat 4 times to flush the crud out?
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
4 ай бұрын
Wouldn't fix it...
@Dave-td3tu
Жыл бұрын
You should have done a complete fluid exchange by removing the cooler return line and run into a bucket. Fill as it draining, until the fluid is clean. This is no different that using a machine. That's your best process to get the trans clean. This tcc is never fully locked, its always modulating and has some slip. Remember , when the converter is at a high duty cycle is when the engine is loaded the most. Many engine problems are blamed on the tcc application. That "fish bite" inconsistencies make me wonder.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
Жыл бұрын
Yes the constant partial slip is what wore out the converter prematurely and turned the fluid black haha
@Dave-td3tu
Жыл бұрын
No, this is not to discredit your work. I watch every episode you do. I think your BRILLIANT, hence people bringing car to you across country. I've always been weary on tcc shudder and "engine hiccups" that's all. Keep up the great work Ivan, we love you.
@bryanalbright3019
Жыл бұрын
Plug miss fire will do the same thing.
@johndesaavedra1040
Жыл бұрын
You know if they're going to manage slippage by this means they should design a TCC with multiple stages and friction discs.
@randy1ization
Жыл бұрын
modern PWM convertors are made with a special kevlar lining.. they last longer, but still wear. usually its not the convertor that is bad, its the hydraulic fluid circuit that activates the convertor that is the problem..
@dallastrost687
10 ай бұрын
Local transmission shop sold me a new transmission and torque converter, ran good for about 9 months, started shuddering again. Took it back and they said there was a rash of bad torque converters. Replaced it and now it shudders when it is time to downshift on an incline. Seems worse than before. Very frustrating and tired of this money pit.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
10 ай бұрын
Bummer. Quality is in the toilet!
@johndesaavedra1040
Жыл бұрын
I never killed anything with clean oil.
@jeffbecker9809
5 ай бұрын
This trans I bet will destroy itself very soon.
@donborden5311
Жыл бұрын
Had same symptoms with Honda CRV’s. Change fluid 3 times with short drive between changes. And completely rid of gear change shutter. AND this actually still only equates to an 80% change of fluid. Trans & Dif. Fluid changes (Honda) should not exceed 30k.
@donborden5311
Жыл бұрын
Also did filter changes. (2 vehicles).Honda & Acura in area doesn’t even know filters exist 😢
@jamieharris74
Жыл бұрын
@@donborden5311they know they exist on some of the trans-but they are not recommended to be changed. 30k fluid changes prevent the issues mainly.
@thomasbyzewski2687
11 ай бұрын
Check trany level before driving!
@fiero880
Жыл бұрын
Haven’t watched the video yet. Just had this issue on my in laws nearly new 18 Traverse. Chevy has a TSB. First change fluid with the additive and then change torque converter. Torque converter fixed the problem. They only had 10,000 miles. Dealer said they shudder off the lot. 🤷♂️🤪
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