"God is writing for the people of the time." What about the slaves??
@Skurian_krotesk
8 ай бұрын
Whey were no "people" at the time. Thats the whole point... There were "good christians" and then there were cettle and other animals.
@spawncampe
8 ай бұрын
@@Skurian_kroteskwere*
@Skurian_krotesk
8 ай бұрын
@@spawncampe ah yeah thanks.
@TheCabIe
8 ай бұрын
Well, they will be rewarded after death, they just have to believe!
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
What about the slaves? God was concerned with the treatment of slaves at the very least. Ultimately l, God is interested in eternal destination of souls more than anything. That is why slavery isn't condemned out right even in the New Testament.
@aloyspaupe7403
8 ай бұрын
God when someone owns a slave : 😴 God when someone eats an apple : 😡
@RSorkin
8 ай бұрын
All the while knowing exactly how everything would turn out before even creating it. Ahhhh, logic and rationality. The implication being, god was incapable of creating a world where he doesn’t give his son full access to torture trillions for eternity, god is forced to slaughter 99.99% of all life on earth, and last but not least, he had to personally torture his own son, for him to be later tortured again, what a great god
@Dr.exsack
8 ай бұрын
@@RSorkinand on top of that claim that we have free will
@gango23
8 ай бұрын
@@Dr.exsackwe have free will because god said we have to have it.
@zinzincoetzee1934
8 ай бұрын
Worse thing is, Eve didnt even know what she was doing. The apple made her able to distinguish from good and evil, that means she didnt know what was good or bad before eating the apple. And yet she, adam and literally everyone is blamed for it. And if the apple really made you know the difference between good and bad, why was god so mad? Shouldnt they have had more trust in him, knowing he's good? Nah god literally wanted blind belief and obedience. He didnt want them to eat from the apple because they wouldve found out how awful he really was. From a literary and metephorical perspective, the bible is a damn good book.
@gango23
8 ай бұрын
@@zinzincoetzee1934 apparently sin is both a choice and inevitable so I'm told, which is a slight contradiction!
@chipsneak1348
8 ай бұрын
God: I can’t just get rid of all slavery. Also God: It’s floodin’ time!
@ellyam991
8 ай бұрын
Also also god: I can't step into this, you guys have free will!
@ellyam991
8 ай бұрын
@@chipsneak1348 I was just continuing the joke man 💀
@chipsneak1348
8 ай бұрын
@@ellyam991oh I’m sorry I’ve been arguing with a lot of defenders and misinterpreted. I’ll delete my comment as both an apology and sign of embarrassment.
@ellyam991
8 ай бұрын
@@chipsneak1348 No worries man, I get it. I argued a lot on the same video but on IG, and I'm convinced that hearing arguments in defense of slavery for prolongued periods of time kills neurons
@markwildt5728
7 ай бұрын
I've never seen such a blatant mischaracterization of God in all my life...
@madnessoverload7824
8 ай бұрын
Such a stupid argument. If god's morality is absolute, it shouldn't depend on the time period. His laws should be enforced equally across all eras. The only thing we can deduce from this text is that god was and always will be ok with slavery. But of course, as religion usually does, they moved the goal posts once human reasoning deemed slavery immoral.
@johnzielinski9951
8 ай бұрын
Most of the abolitionists were devout Christians. It seems to me that the Christian emphasis on the sanctity of every individual won out against the passages that condone slavery. So the people that insist that every word in the Bible is the inerrant Word of God are stuck doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to reconcile the two. In fact, they don't need to be reconciled. The Israelites were wrong about slavery, plain and simple.
@kyle--859
8 ай бұрын
@@johnzielinski9951Most of the people defending slavery were also Christians.
@johnzielinski9951
8 ай бұрын
@@kyle--859 They were indeed. There was one Episcopalian bishop, I forget his name, that composed an exegesis on all the Bible verses about slavery, concluding that it was entirely acceptable. He challenged anyone to refute his work, but the abolitionist Christians didn't even bother with it. They simply turned a blind eye to the scripture that condones slavery.
@kyle--859
8 ай бұрын
@@johnzielinski9951 Yeah, it definitely feels like many people who base their morals on religion actually have the morals they want and just find any excuse to say their religion supports it.
@Exceedtherealm
8 ай бұрын
Human reasoning ? Human brainwashing. Slavery is not immoral in any way shape or form.
@izzabelladogalini
8 ай бұрын
An omnipotent god who can create an entire universe just by saying a few words thinks it'd be too difficult to ban slavery
@Osafune2
7 ай бұрын
If you don’t even understand the doctrine of the Fall of Man and free will, then stfu about the Bible
@Fuckingtwat
6 ай бұрын
If he did you would of never existed because you have become a slave to your own ignorance. Read the Bible or watch biblical scholars instead of hearing the same talking points from the same perspective
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
That would be a direct interference with free will. Besides, modern culture doesn't mind slavery even till this day, we just don't call it that anymore, we just call living paycheck to paycheck and depression.
@milliondollarmistake
3 ай бұрын
logistics weren't really god's thing I guess
@jackbradbury6576
3 ай бұрын
@@J040PL7The flood that killed billions? The fact that he came to Earth and directly interfered with peoples lives (e.g. bringing back the dead), telling people how to live and to write the very book that so many people base their lives on. But when there are kids in Africa dying because their eyes are being eaten by bugs, God can’t interfere cause of free will?
@tygodejong1123
8 ай бұрын
Bro could completely wipe out the human race once and smite two cities because the people were assholes, but abolishing slavery is out of his league? Yea dude totally not complete bull
@Theguineachannel
8 ай бұрын
If god came down to destroy every single concept that was wrong, then we would lose our free will which is what makes us human
@Theguineachannel
7 ай бұрын
@@lexbrightraven8049 care to provide the verse where god mind controls? And even if he did "mind controlling" someone is very different than coming down to earth everytime we do something wrong. We gave up our right to perfection when we left eden
@beanbean3535
5 ай бұрын
@@Theguineachannelso your argument is that god can put in the Bible all of the dumb laws about working on the sabbath, and eating pork, but “forgot” to say don’t own people because that would intervene with your right to own slaves. You need to be on a watch list
@Theguineachannel
5 ай бұрын
@@beanbean3535 i dont know why you added that watch list part, i want to be very clear that im not defending or justifying slavery, its evil straight up no ifs no buts. Im trying to explain why a direct condemnation does not apear in the bible. Slavery was an integral part of ancient society. It was as normal and acsepted as the internet is today. Its not the kind of thing that can be easily wiped out by man. Who knows mabey god even did directly condemn it but some slave owning king later decided it was convenient if that part was forgotten. Even if not directly condemned if you look at the morality laid out its very clear slavery is not acceptable and compatible with the bibles morals
@celestialsatheist1535
8 ай бұрын
It's a insult to human dignity that people say that we need barbaric bronze ago tribe laws to be moral
@veritasdeutsch6608
8 ай бұрын
well allegedly these laws are eternal and cosmic
@jacobwilde1073
8 ай бұрын
You are strawmaning the argument. It's not the laws but something outside of the material world to base morality on, otherwise nearly all moral issues are subjugated to cultural context and nothing can be considered definitively right or wrong.
@Fractured_Unity
8 ай бұрын
@@jacobwilde1073Ooorrrr, you use the standard of what causes the most good while preventing the most suffering. That’s the pretty standard definition that normal humans have made for whether or not something is good. Now instead of arguing about interpreting a thousands year old manipulative book, we can just talk about the consequences of a person’s actions. Of course it’s a subjective standard, we are subjective beings, our standards should match accordingly. What’s hilarious is that Christians pretend their standard isn’t just as subjective.
@vladtheemailer3223
8 ай бұрын
@@jacobwilde1073Morals are subjective. Right and wrong are subjective.
@veritasdeutsch6608
8 ай бұрын
@@jacobwilde1073 even if that were true, the question arises, why something HAS to be considered defintively right/wrong. It could just naturally be the way it is.
@XDRONIN
8 ай бұрын
God told the Israelites to not eat pigs and the Israelites didn't God told the Israelites to punish anyone who worked on the Sabbath (even by death) and they did it *BUT...* If God had told the Israelites to Not own other human beings as property, *what would the Israelites done?* Deny God? Go back to Egypt? And become slaves themselves again because God said "No Slavery"? Yeah, right
@r.r.4410
8 ай бұрын
Why did God bother to free them from Egypt after all … I mean, as long as they didn’t beat them up too bad, it should be okay
@thealphasam7350
8 ай бұрын
I guess you could make an argument that more people would be less likely to believe in him in the first place, thus throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
It isn't about denying God it is about non compliance with what God was trying to establish. Those laws were about Holiness an God was concerned with establishing what is holy. Slavery isn't inherently evil as a practice or an institution. God gave guidelines for the practice in the treatment of slaves. I challenge you from your world view to show how slavery is objectively wrong or evil. You cannot.
@ErikratKhandnalie
8 ай бұрын
@@gideondavid30Your god is disgusting. I would spit on his name, were I not concerned about dirtying my spit. You should be ashamed to follow such a hideous religion, and even more ashamed that you follow an evil bastard god.
@wormwood822
8 ай бұрын
@@gideondavid30 wow... you really, actually said that. Question: Does slavery cause unnecessary suffering? If you're unclear about what I mean by "unnecessary", I mean unnecessary in the sense that an OMNIPOTENT God could have easily found/made a way to prevent it. If we agree from what I said that slavery causes incredible, unnecessary suffering, then we can both conclude that slavery is an incredible evil and should be abolished globally. Forever. If you disagree, I will just say that other people with mentalities like yours are probably a large part of the reason that corporations are exploiting children to work in cobalt mines in third world countries.
@dwp6471
8 ай бұрын
Why can't an all powerful creator of the universe end slavery? A better question is why did such an entity allow slavery to ever start?
@Leith_Crowther
8 ай бұрын
Here’s a better better question: why did an all-powerful creator of the universe intentionally create slavery? Let’s hold god responsible for his alleged actions.
@hananokuni2580
8 ай бұрын
God gave humans free will. And unfortunately we get to see human stupidity on full display as a result.
@O.Reagano
8 ай бұрын
@@hananokuni2580Except he could’ve said “no slavery” in his bedtime story
@hananokuni2580
8 ай бұрын
@@O.Reagano It would be like telling a toddler not to touch the hot stove.
@infinixuty
8 ай бұрын
@@hananokuni2580that logic doesnt track given that He gave them COMMANDMENTS that He expected them to follow and they followed them (although some people didnt and they GOT PUNISHED for it)
@clayhamilton3551
8 ай бұрын
“I like oysters and mixed fabrics!” God: “You will suffer eternal torment in hell for this 😡” “Slavery?” “Alright, but don’t take it too far, ok? 😊”
@joseph3225
8 ай бұрын
You will not go to hell for wearing mixed fabrics. And y’all are confusing 1800s slavery with the slavery mentioned in the Bible.
@Nicola.M7
8 ай бұрын
@@joseph3225whats the difference?
@carlpanzram7081
8 ай бұрын
@@Nicola.M7there isn't a significant one. You loose your right to private property, as you literally become property of someone else. This idea that they aren't allowed to take your life, tho it's a difference, it's not a big one.
@zanussidish5685
8 ай бұрын
@@joseph3225Enlighten us with the different types of slavery. 😂
@joseph3225
8 ай бұрын
This is what the US gov reports as the different kinds of slavery. How you thought there aren’t different kinds of slavery kind of baffles me. Sex Trafficking. Child Sex Trafficking. Forced Labor. Bonded Labor or Debt Bondage. Domestic Servitude. Forced Child Labor. Unlawful Recruitment and Use of Child Soldiers.
@michaelgrantham1871
8 ай бұрын
Amazing how many people will defend this as "it was the times" but hating gays is apparently timeless.
@kkrup5395
8 ай бұрын
Because lust is bad. Straight couples are as sinfull as gay couple if they make love just for fun.
@SalMat-ch3il
7 ай бұрын
Never once in the Bible did it say to hate gays all that it said is that it is ungodly like gangster rap and never said that the gay person is to be hated
@diveblock2058
7 ай бұрын
The almighty god couldn't just say "slavery isn't cool"
@michaelgrantham1871
7 ай бұрын
@@diveblock2058 It amuses me that some of them, in trying to defend their god, will argue that slavery was abolished when Christians abandoned their god's laws and abolished it themselves.
@tylervonaegir
7 ай бұрын
The word slave isn’t in the Bible
@Dutch_bastard_23
8 ай бұрын
We make the most outrageous moral excuses for Him that we wouldn't for any other human being ever, at all.
@alexanderelderhorst2107
8 ай бұрын
Well we all have our own moral compass. When we look to our parents we believe them if we are good children cause they know better (or we consult other adults). But once we become adults and meet them at a level playing field we might believe they were wrong. However the difference is we will never reach that level of development and become a god ourselves so we cannot argue with God even if what he does is wrong to some extent, because unless we where at his level we cannot truly understand every nuance behind the decision (and there is no other god to consult).
@gango23
8 ай бұрын
@@alexanderelderhorst2107if we all have our own moral compass then that would make morality subjective no? And if what your saying is ' when the bible doesn't make sense or logic or fit with a modern day sense of morality then it's just because we don't understand god' then it's just blindly following.
@Dutch_bastard_23
8 ай бұрын
@@alexanderelderhorst2107 If there's a certain situation in which a bystander or whatever watches a child drown or a girl get robbed or abused, then it is perfectly right, nay, an obligation, many Christians would say, to go out of your way to follow your immediate and 'obviously right' moral conscience which god put inside of you to help those poor people. You would be at fault if you didn't follow your moral conscience in this situation, watching some girl get abused and walking past it like nothing happened. Why then am I now at fault or at least "not able to follow my conscience to quite the same degree" when reading these horrible verses in the bible? What has changed here?
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
@@Dutch_bastard_23 Where does your moral compass come from? I really want to know. You just take for granted that we are just supposed to help strangers in need and the question is why? You are tugging on heart strings but you have yet to make a case for right and wrong. Slavery was commonplace in the ancient world and slaves were treated well in the Bible. It was a reality for those times. Nobody is saying it is desirable to be a slave either. But calling tge practice inherently evil makes zero sense from your perspective.
@georgevelis4651
8 ай бұрын
@@gideondavid30 why doesn't it make sense to say that slavery is inherently evil?
@BlueWaterTransparency
8 ай бұрын
You're ignoring how sadistic it is to beat someone repeatedly without ever killing them.
@joerdim
8 ай бұрын
Wow, this is a new level to this verse.
@markwildt5728
7 ай бұрын
You're completely taking the verse out of context and have no clue what you're talking about... This is completely intellectually dishonest.
@circumcisionersjar
6 ай бұрын
@@markwildt5728please explain the context
@markwildt5728
6 ай бұрын
@@circumcisionersjar it's not that hard. All you have to do is actually read the full passage in it's entirety instead of cherry picking a single isolated partial verse out of context to try and shoehorn in your own understanding. The passage spells out clearly in pain staking detail that the indentured servants (not chatel slaves) are not to be mistreated in any way. If they are, their debt is to be erased and they are to be set free. It's almost like a pardon for their crimes (which is why they're Indentured in the first place). Fast-forwarding to the verse in question, it states that if a servant is beaten, (which we've already established is wrong and punishable) and as a result of the beating the servant dies, the master is to be "punished." This word punished is what trips people up, and they act as if as long as the servant doesn't die, then there's no punishment for the master. However, as we've already established, there is punishment for the master, and the servant is to be released as debt free for whatever their transgressions were. The word translated as "punished" in many modern English translations is from the original Hebrew word 'nâqam' which literally means to be avenged or put to death. So what this passage is saying in it's full context, is these Indentured servants who owe some sort of debt to society are to be treated with respect and dignity and not mistreated at all. If they are mistreated, they are to be released debt free. And if the mistreatment goes as far as to be so bad that this servant dies as a result, then the master who mistreated them shall also be put to death. But too many atheists want to cherry pick an isolated part of a single verse, remove all prior established context, and hyper focus on a single modern English word, rather than the original text in full context. That's why it's crucial to understand context when reading Scripture, and understand when and where it's taking place. Who's speaking? Who are they speaking to? What's the context of the passage and the meaning behind the message etc... If you simply cherry pick out a single sentence, taking it at face value applying to it your understanding of modern day vernacular based on a single word, you'll be like @lexbrightraven8049 in thinking rape victims must marry their attackers and that virgins can be taken as sex slaves... Don't be that guy.
@zrosix2240
6 ай бұрын
@@markwildt5728what about the verse that differentiates indentured servants from slaves, stating you may not rule over your fellow Israelite, and if they are indentured they must be released and may not be oppressed etc. But “those from the nations around you, you may take to be your slaves for as long as they live,” with no limitations or punishments listed for their particular mistreatment Not an atheist, but I view the passage in its entirety, and even read prior and post chapters to see if I miss anything, and can’t find how this could be misinterpreted
@dalex60
8 ай бұрын
So, god couldn’t have waved his magic wand to end slavery?
@joaosustelo5628
8 ай бұрын
God doesnt have a gender.
@carlosmorais1961
8 ай бұрын
@@joaosustelo5628so your objection to this matter is that he might have misgendered god? Really? You need to check your moral compass.
@joaosustelo5628
8 ай бұрын
@@carlosmorais1961 Idk dude. Whats this magic wand he is talking about? I was just trying to say that God isnt male or female so I dont know anything about a wand...
@galacticrelic258
8 ай бұрын
@@joaosustelo5628Prove that God is not male or not female.
@O_tropos
8 ай бұрын
😂most meaningful conversation ever!! It did made me chuckle.
@AbstractStew
8 ай бұрын
A Holy book that declares one person to be the property of another does not deserve to be taken seriously. Being antislavery seems like a pretty low bar for people to be failing to get over...
@boianko
8 ай бұрын
Judging by the comments here it seems like it's apparently not low enough for a lot of Christians.
@mrolas5683
8 ай бұрын
What’s currently been done about homelessness? Nothing it was an option at the time, and at the time things were pretty lawless so being homeless you wouldn’t get a chance to get food so I guess approach a large group of people and sell yourself as a slave as it was an equivalent to being on welfare. You would also have protection being apart of the community, you could be murdered or taken captive. Property in the sense of being monetary value, that’s what the Hebrew translates to. Unlike other slaves you get rights, you can also prosper and pay for your freedom. You can’t even prosper in a regular 9-5 Job in todays day and age, at best live week to week and incur debt, seems a lot like slavery to me Modern slavery exists in many shapes and forms. It might not be as lawless but our rights and sovereignty as citizens is slowly being eroded away. It won’t be long until your property belongs to the state and money will be all digital and you will be told how and what you can spend it on and how long till it expires and the sad thing is a lot of people already accept it. It was already written thousands of years ago what will happen
@AbstractStew
8 ай бұрын
@mrolas5683 Debt slavery isn't a solution to the problem of poverty. It is just another facet of that problem. It is still evil. And the type of slavery you are talking about isn't the only type of slavery the bible endorses. What you mentioned was only for Israelites. Those outside that protected group were, in fact, chattel slaves who could be inherited property. Funny how that almost never gets brought up by those defending the bible. And yes, the modern world does have a lot to answer for. That does not, in any way, let the evils of the past off the hook. If the last part of your comment is referring to biblical prophecies, you do know that isn't a real thing, right?
@mrolas5683
8 ай бұрын
@@AbstractStew if revelation isn’t real then so isn’t the rest so why contest something that isn’t real. It seems uncanny that an ancient book can foretell the future despite being made up There are more people in chattel slavery now then there was in indented slavery which is what was in the bible which is what I had described above. You cannot be freed from chattel slavery
@AbstractStew
8 ай бұрын
@@mrolas5683 I am unaware of a single legitimate bible prophecy. Most are either vague enough to be easily interpreted to fit many situations or clearly written after the events they describe. Also, chattel slavery is in the Bible. There are rules for owning people. They could even leave that human property to their children. That was how slavery on non Hebrews was outlined in the bible. To ignore that is dishonest.
@JediMasterEzio
8 ай бұрын
I thought it said "as long as the slave doesn't die within a day or two." Meaning the slave can still die due to the beating, just not within a day or two without punishment.
@jipersson
8 ай бұрын
It does say that "If the slave dies after a day or two" NOT recovers! Apparently some newer bibles have changed the verse and thus made it nonsensical since beating your slave were legal! I've heard CosmicSkeptic reference that verse before but obviously not listened to corrections!
@JediMasterEzio
8 ай бұрын
@@jipersson so which Bible is the "correct" one?
@jipersson
8 ай бұрын
The bible is a sad fairytale believed in by morons and spouted by fraudulent scam artists! So there are no "correct" one, but attempting to make it sound less laughably sadistic is an example of how dishonest these frauds are! If the verse were meant to say "if the slave recovers" it's utterly nonsensically! and the punishment for killing your slave were 30 Shekels, so less than raping a virgin! @@JediMasterEzio
@sadindiefreak
8 ай бұрын
@JediMasterEzio No bibles are correct, silly.
@JediMasterEzio
8 ай бұрын
@@sadindiefreak , I can't argue against that. You've got me by the short and curly's, lol!
@pauls.6360
8 ай бұрын
"You can beat your slave, but don't eat shellfish."
@michaelm8529
8 ай бұрын
As someone who has never been a theist, it blew my mind seeing excuses for this kind of thing. It's right there in black and white, a go ahead to own another person as property for the rest of their life and that's something we can make excuses for?
@dougmasters4561
8 ай бұрын
What is there in black and white? Own for the rest of whose life? What book are you reading exactly?
@michaelm8529
8 ай бұрын
@@dougmasters4561 Leviticus 25:44-46
@michaelm8529
7 ай бұрын
@@tylervonaegir okay so you can't count. Every 7 years is a Sabbath year, the jubilee is every 7th Sabbath year. Leviticus clearly states the year of the jubilee occurs every 50 years. So yes you might eventually go free but the Bible says that foreign slaves are your property that your can pass on to your children because 50 years is a long time to survive, even your master might not make it. It also says to determine the price of things based on the length of time from the jubilee so if you're 7 years away, the person selling would just make your installments bigger so you've just tried to justify slavery over a mortgage contract?
@Early2000sCringe
6 ай бұрын
@@tylervonaegirI don't know how else to tell you this but "a zero interest seven year mortgage" is not the same as being owned and commanded by another person for seven years. Like, you got a mortgage and don't want it, it'd suck to do but you can still back out of it and move, and not get whipped or thrown into chains or beaten. What a garbage analogy you just made. Feel bad about yourself for that. For defending slavery.
@gliblyaware
8 ай бұрын
He's not eloquent enough to inspire the abolition of slavery, but accurately inspires how to not wear mixed fabrics? Sounds like a lower mid-level manager at a second-rate company where I'm leaving a bad review.
@gango23
8 ай бұрын
We also have very clear rules on what the protocol is if your ox falls into a hole I have dug. Very useful.
@jacobwilde1073
8 ай бұрын
Well he was eloquent enough though. William Wilberforce, a Chrisitan, a main abolitionist who helped make it illegal in England from a Chrisitan argument
@gango23
8 ай бұрын
@@jacobwilde1073 and how did being a Christian help him abolish slavery?
@jacobwilde1073
8 ай бұрын
@gango23 He used the bible to justify abolishing. The Southerners in the U.S. may have used it justify it but they misconstrued the biblical concept of slavery compared to their form and disregarded anti kidnapping, abuse, and anti runaway slave return laws in the Old Testament to justify slavery.
@gliblyaware
8 ай бұрын
@jacobwilde1073 one can use that ambiguous book to justify just about anything. Notice how you said "they misconstrued it"? They is almost every Christian that doesn't agree with the other Christians' interpretation, and there are thousands of interpretations. Imagine that, so unclear, so cryptic and convoluted that very few can agree. Sounds a lot more like a congregation of ideas by many plain old ordinary men. In fact, it's exactly the results you'd expect.
@mjfullente3359
8 ай бұрын
Beating the innocent defenseless who is unwillingly to get beaten is evil Slavery is also evil No wordplay No Excuses End of discussion
@markwildt5728
7 ай бұрын
First of all, you're not the arbiter of what's evil. Second, nowhere in the Bible does it say anything to the contrary, so what exactly is your point? It's only the "end of discussion" because dishonest hack atheists like you shut down all discussion before it can begin with your false dichotomies and strawman arguments.
@Osafune2
7 ай бұрын
Why?
@HereTakeAFlower
6 ай бұрын
So self defense is evil, sparring matches in combat sports are evil, combat training is evil, BDSM is evil and arresting resisting criminals is evil?
@mjfullente3359
6 ай бұрын
@@HereTakeAFlower I meant beating the innocent defenseless who is unwillingly to get beaten is evil. Sorry for the misunderstanding I will change it right away. Thanks for the reminder 👍 But I will not change the second part though about slavery because there's no way out of it.
@Metica777
8 ай бұрын
“God is writing for the people of the time” except the times are only like that because he made them like that.
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
The covenants for the Jews were for the Jews, not "for the time" and God doesn't interfere with free will, we're not robots.
@ErikratKhandnalie
8 ай бұрын
If Yahweh's morality has to fit "to the times" then it's not better than that of any human, and arguably much worse. Plenty of plain, powerless humans that have fought and died throughout history in order to go against the "morals of the times" and create something better.
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
God is perfect man is not. God has to work with fallible men not angels. The law was perfect man cannot uphold the law. God permits things to take into account human weakness. There was a time when the ancient Hebrews demanded a king and God reluctantly gave them a king with a warning of the danger of monarchies.
@ErikratKhandnalie
8 ай бұрын
@@gideondavid30 If Yahweh is perfect, then why does he approve of slavery? Why did Yahweh codify slavery into his law?
@Exceedtherealm
8 ай бұрын
@@ErikratKhandnalie Because slavery is a perfect system.
@ErikratKhandnalie
8 ай бұрын
@@Exceedtherealm I was gonna respond in the sarcastic affirmative, assuming that you were being facetious. But, after a quick look around, it seems you're actually sincere. I hope you find yourself in chains in someone's basement, so that you get some real life first hand experience about just how "perfect" slavery is.
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
God has a perfect will and an allowable will. For example, God hates divorce (according to Jesus) yet God gave the Jews divorce laws. Why? Because he took into account human weakness (ie "hardness of their hearts"). Another example: God gave the Jews a king despite warning them of the dangers of monarchy. God wanted to be their king. So god reluctantly gave them a king. God may have permitted multiple wives but from the words of Jesus and Paul it seems God;s original intent was for one man and one woman to come together. So back to slavery. Slavery isn't inherently evil. From God's perspective, the treatment of the slaves is what mattered. In fact Paul advocated for a type of slavery to Christ which resulted in his own suffering and persecution. God is more interested in the holiness of man than in his temporary state of discomfort. Better to die a slave than to live an eternity in hell. Note: that isn't to say Christians today cannot have an argument against slavery today because they do. However, the athiest has no grounds whatsoever to say slavery is evil because they have no objective criteria to make a value judgment of this kind.
@LetsPlayCrazy
8 ай бұрын
"I am a liberal god, I understand that change needs time!" *also god*: *sideeyeing Sodom and Gomorrah*
@vincentrubio2859
8 ай бұрын
“The reason Moses said that was because of the hardness of their hearts, but from the beginning it was not so.”
@hananokuni2580
8 ай бұрын
This verse is key. There are multiple instances of the Israelites _disobeying_ the Lord.
@ellyam991
8 ай бұрын
that could've been explicitly said to deny god's support of slavery, but that spot had to be reserved for a considerably lesser situation
@hananokuni2580
8 ай бұрын
@@aspirit9763 It was common practice at the time for a man to marry a woman, then divorce her and stay with the dowry. This was bad for the woman because to be a divorcée at the time was considered dishonorable for her, whereas the man did not get much damage to his reputation. Jesus repeated Genesis 2:24, that a man would _become one flesh_ with his wife upon consummation of their marriage. Under this law, a man was still married to the woman he left behind and unless adultery was involved, the marriage could not be summarily dissolved.
@EzioAuditoreDaFirenze99
8 ай бұрын
Exactly. If I enter a high security prison, with gang fights and all sorts of cruelty, do I tell them to not chase up their debts? Well, no, because they would chose not to follow that order. Instead, I might tell them, do not kill anyone over a debt. And this is an issue with free will and hardness of heart. The exact same principal applied to the Israelites.
@mikehill1114
8 ай бұрын
Christians: Athiests have morality because god wrote morality onto their hearts Also Christians: God forgot to write about slavery onto the hearts of the isrealites
@juliusfishman7222
8 ай бұрын
Bro is making up his own story line
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
Which Christian said that? 🤦♂️ The Christian voices in your head?
@mikehill1114
4 ай бұрын
@@J040PL7 Frank Turek for one. Paraphrased, of course. But damn near every apologist likes to say that atheists can have no morality without God. Then they say that god couldn't outright tell the Israelites not to own slaves, that he had to soften it. Maybe you should actually listen to what these frauds say, hmm?
@mikehill1114
4 ай бұрын
@@J040PL7 Fraudulent Frank Turek and Lying William Craig are two common conmen who espouse precisely these views. Not surprising a Christian has no idea about them, though. Maybe you should
@AliciatheCho
8 ай бұрын
God is oddly specific about this topic but vague AF for a bunch of other stuff.
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
Firstly, the law was written by moses, and laws tend to be specific, the bits you're probably referring to weren't laws.
@oxfordbambooshootify
2 ай бұрын
A actual timeless word of God would've just said "fuck slavery" and be done with it
@FatMadt666
8 ай бұрын
The bible; How to keep and care for your slave.
@joseph3225
8 ай бұрын
And how you are to acquire a slave… for example the Bible says anyone who steals/kidnaps a person and makes them his own slave will receive the death penalty.
@Nicola.M7
8 ай бұрын
@@joseph3225which verse is this?
@FatMadt666
8 ай бұрын
I'm sure the 32,000 Midianite virgins might not agree with that particular bible verse. (Numbers) Unless slavery and being forced into a life of marriage are two different things. Except the Jewish slave can be released after six years, the Jewish wife wasn't allowed the same benefit.
@joseph3225
8 ай бұрын
Exodus 21:16 “He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death”
@FatMadt666
8 ай бұрын
@@joseph3225 oh, I see. I didn't notice the bible excuse only counts if it's a man. So killing all the men and taking the women, only the ones found to be virgins, is fair game and is permissible. Gotcha.
@TheCabIe
8 ай бұрын
It is curious, how a perfect being has trouble with more advanced social issues like slavery or homosexuality, but not with murder or stealing, huh? The topic of the existence of God (in particular God from the Bible) is extensive, but in all honesty, a single verse like this (and there are hundreds of verses like this) should discredit Bible as being inspired by God immediately to anyone who isn't conditioned to believe it "must" be the word of God from the get-go. There's no chance a being who is supposed to be perfect would be ok with something like this and you can't have even a *single* mistake if you claim your book is inspired by such being or you inevitably have to go down the path of cherry-picking and thinking FOR God, instead of listening to his supposed wisdom. Sure, you can weasel your way out of it through some shitty "well, God knew it was wrong, but he just couldn't bare simply abolishing slavery altogether!" reasoning, but then you basically abandon the idea that Bible should be used for ANY moral teaching as anyone could just as easily say that a bunch of other things God allows could ALSO actually be immoral, God just didn't bother telling us. It all simply collapses. We have the benefit of being few thousand years in the future and seeing just how absurdly disconnected from those times our moral/social norms became, and when you have to make excuses for a being like God, it's PROBABLY the case that it wasn't God.
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
There is no objective grounds for saying slavery is wrong. It is 2023 and there is nothing we have discovered through the scientific method to tell us otherwise. You just take for granted that slavery is wrong because of societal tastes. There is no cherry picking. Yhe old testament is contextualized to a certain time and place. If you just read the New Testament you will see a shift in paradigm and the r reasoning for it.
@TheCabIe
8 ай бұрын
@gideondavid30 You are so obsessed with a piece of text claiming to speak as God and promising you rewards you just legitimately argued that maybe, somehow, slavery isn't that bad. I'm fascinated. Why would commands from a being who is supposed to be omniscient have to be "contextualised"? Isn't that EXACTLY what we'd come to expect if the obvious answer (some people with moral/social norms of their particular time period wrote those words) was the correct one? Where does supposed wisdom of ageless entity come in if their moral advancement comes slowly through centuries and is identical to what we see for centuries in human societies after God stopped speaking to us directly? If it overlaps like that, what's more likely, that God spoke to us but didn't end up giving us any meaningful changes because he was "afraid to shake our social/moral norms too much :(" or that it's same old humans doing their same old thing and pretending to speak as God?
@riffhammeron
8 ай бұрын
Almost like it was written by people who wanted to maintain the status quo
@sirensoulegaming4158
8 ай бұрын
@@gideondavid30how can you actually write a comment like this and not feel ashamed? Time to chain you up and sell you off, since slavery is fine. Who here is buying?
@Osafune2
7 ай бұрын
@@TheCabIeyou said that societal and moral norms have become disconnected with those of ancient times, thereby implying that morality is inconstant and subject to change. Yet you also continue to make the objective moral judgement that slavery is bad. Please be consistent. Why is slavery bad? And if morals are subject to advancement and societal change, then why are Christians not allowed to contextualise?
@thebipolarpsychonaut4984
8 ай бұрын
Wait. He can create the universe, flood the entire planet (except for all of the civilizations that didn't notice), but just can't seem to abolish slavery? Makes sense.
@ellyam991
8 ай бұрын
Not even abolish it, but denounce it. Instead god chose to endorse slavery by saying you *could* have slaves. You just had to make sure that when you beat them with sticks, they don't die within a couple of days
@thebipolarpsychonaut4984
8 ай бұрын
@@ellyam991 It's an absolutely absurd obfuscation isn't it?!
@Scadrial
8 ай бұрын
It's not that their god couldn't abolish slavery. It's that their god chose not to abolish slavery when he could have.
@jackwaycombe
8 ай бұрын
Or - possibly - that he never existed to decide one way or another?
@Scadrial
8 ай бұрын
@@jackwaycombe That too. lol
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
If God exists, how do you know he was able to abolish slavery 5000 years ago?
@Scadrial
8 ай бұрын
@@gideondavid30 Assuming the Christian God is all-powerful like Christians claim he is, then God could have ended slavery and reorganized the universe to make sure slavery never happened again at any moment in time.
@DrDeuteron
8 ай бұрын
"their god"...can you be more of a loser?
@HumbleHuddle
8 ай бұрын
Mythology at its finest ✡️✝️☪️
@benjamintrevino325
8 ай бұрын
Replace the word apologetics with cognitive contortionism.
@X-Bones
4 ай бұрын
Yes the all powerful god was pandering to his fan base. If he was active now he’d probably be a twitch streamer.
@Francisqolito
9 күн бұрын
A british critiquing barbarity of jewish ethics is definitely the most ridiculous thing the internet will show us..
@BeatsTwoFour
5 ай бұрын
This article of the law is all about capital punishment. The “punishment” here is the death sentence. It was unheard of to suffer the penalty of death for killing or maiming a slave. It placed the value of a slaves life to be equal to that of a freeman. A radical law in its time.
@cheshireket3132
8 ай бұрын
Yea "god" could just say "no slavery." Like. It could've been a commandment. He also could've spent one on "no pedophilia." But he didn't.
@dougmasters4561
8 ай бұрын
Why would he? What was unjust about this practice? It seems perfectly reasonable. On pedophilia, the bible doesnt exist to tell you everything about everything. Its not going to give you a laundary list of every moral wrong. You still need to make other moral decisions without blaming something else for not thinking of it for you.
@UltraVioletKnight
8 ай бұрын
You see nothing wrong with owning other humans as property? Truly just goes to show Christianty warps the moral compass of Christians
@dougmasters4561
8 ай бұрын
@UltraVioletKnight why is what the bible teaches about slavery wrong? Its not a complex question. I mean you have an opinion so surely you know what it does say. Surely you could say what is wrong about what it says?
@dougmasters4561
8 ай бұрын
@UltraVioletKnight what was the alternative? You people keep trying to apply a modern sensibility to a world where everything around you from nature to man was trying to kill you. You keep trying to cpnsider that this place was essentially Ohio and ghasp, they still had slaves. No i dont see anything morally wrong on its face about it. You still cant actually provide an objective reason against it either, nevermind the constant brutal warring status of all the nations in the region, or the lack of civilized and modern welfare systems. The indentured servitude under which the Jews could engage was not wrong at all. Because the alternative to that was someone starves to death. I sont quite think you people understand what life was like there. The permanent slavery of the gentiles, well, again, constant brutal warring statuses from nations that did stuff like sacrifice their own children. They were, then, subject to alllll the other same laws as anyone else which meant being plugged into a society that, say, wouldnt ritualistically sacrifice them or anyone else. They dont live in the same world that you geniuses live in. Not a single one of you can articulate why either indentured servitude or slavery was wrong there.
@sirensoulegaming4158
8 ай бұрын
@@dougmasters4561leviticus 25: 44 - 46 clearly shows that owning slaves is fine if those "rules" are followed. Since those rules for slavery are fine, how much do I have to pay (not you, someone else rather) to kidnap you and make you my slave? Since clearly slavery is so fine and your holy book says it OK? Does this prospect make you shiver a bit? Heh, thought so. Trying to defend slavery in any form is the biggest L take anyone could ever make. You should be embarrassed. Your book, and your god, is a sham.
@ryancooke1981
8 ай бұрын
Humans wrote this. Not God
@franciscotorres4756
8 ай бұрын
This type of slavery was from debt collectors and Jesus set the captives free.
@nonamenoname6921
4 ай бұрын
And what about the type of slavery when you won a war?
@franciscotorres4756
4 ай бұрын
Isn’t condone in the Bible
@WayneDave195
2 ай бұрын
@@franciscotorres4756 Except in Numbers 31 where God commanded Israelites to kill men and children and take virgin little girls as captives.
@lanikalekale6207
7 ай бұрын
Lot of you guys on the comments would’ve been marching against slavery back in the day ay hahah 😀🤝
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
They'd own them instead.
@rodnee2340
8 ай бұрын
I actually like the fact he is not pointlessly judgemental about our ancestors. But points out the fact the bible was written by bronze age people most of which lived difficult short and brutal lives. They would definitely have a completely different view of life, compared to us. Also the slave trade is not dead and we are ALL complicit in it. Anyone with a battery powered device. Anyone who wears clothes. At the start of these productions there is someone who is under the duress of modern slavery.
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
Bro, the text he referred to was written by moses, not "bronze age" people.
@rodnee2340
4 ай бұрын
@@J040PL7 moses was around 13th century BC... that puts him slap bang in the mid bronze age. What's your point?
@luizclaudio527
8 ай бұрын
Christians have the distinct ability to ignore the existence of the old testament as if it were just another religion's sacred book 😂
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
Just because you don't understand what the old testament is, is not our fault 😅
@Tyler_W
8 ай бұрын
For one thing, it's revealed further into the Bible that God basically permitted the Mosaic law certain allowances in order to accomplish the greater good of establishing the relationship and pointing them in the right direction. It's rather pragmatic and realistic about the culture in which it's set in this regard. God comes to meet people where they are and proceeds from there. You can (and later abolitionists did) infer that things like slavery were not desirable by God because he provided a ton of religiously important periods in which a big part of their significance was about the freeing of slaves, the canceling of debt, and returning of property sold out of destitution and desperation.
@LateNightVideozz
8 ай бұрын
I like how God even though he made everyone in his image was very humanish when coming to choose some and write laws in favour of them
@HellbirdIV
8 ай бұрын
The obvious problem with the idea that "God was writing for the people of the time" is that it rather defeats the purpose of the Bible as a source of law and morality. Just as an example for contemporary America, the Bible says that slavery is fine, but we decide that was "for the time" because we've _now_ decided slavery is bad... but the Bible says that gays are bad, and _that's_ apparently timeless? Can't we just as readily suppose that it was _also_ just "of the time" and we can now accept gay people the same way we can reject slavery? As always it comes down to people not actually believing that the Bible is the actual source of their moral beliefs, but using it as personal justification for beliefs they're already inclined to hold.
@jesuspalomosalcedo
8 ай бұрын
God also said that after 7 years the slaves had to be freed. God might not have abolished slavery, but all those that drove the cause were real Christians (meaning not just nominal Christians).
@GoodVolition
8 ай бұрын
Pulling out? Instant death. Beating ypur slave so bad they can't get up for more than 2 days? Some punishment is in order.
@hananokuni2580
8 ай бұрын
There was no law in the Old Testament against pulling out at the last second. Onan was supposed to impregnate Tamar as part of the levirate marriage agreement, but knowing that his deceased brother would be legally recognized as the father of the child that Tamar would bear (and not him), Onan committed coitus interruptus. For this he was struck dead.
@GoodVolition
6 ай бұрын
@@hananokuni2580 That sounds an awful lot like he was struck dead for pulling out. As part of a marriage contract or not.
@johnnybgood7442
8 ай бұрын
This idea of 'well, it would've decimated their economy system/society if they abruptly banned slavery' fall on it's face pretty quickly. I agree it would've been pretty detrimental, but the question becomes, why did god wait around for so long, that slavery became so ingrained in their culture? Why didn't he nip this in the bud at the start?
@ghost750x1
8 ай бұрын
It's because we have free will. If God told the jews no slavery allowed, would anyone else follow that command except for the jews. Even then they would break that commandment, just like all the others,that were broken. We would still have slavery just the same, even today most people are slaves to money, if you're lucky enough not to be in the middle eastern slave trade. If we didn't have free will then we would have never committed the first sin, but in return we would lose the most important thing to humanity our choice.
@johnnybgood7442
8 ай бұрын
@@ghost750x1 so the Almighty arbiter of the universe decided to tell us that we shouldn't eat shellfish or wear mixed fabrics, but couldn't bother telling us to not own people as property? And your explanation for this is because 'not everyone would follow the rules'??? Do you think people weren't killing, stealing and worshipping other gods?? If that were the case, why give any rules at all if we are just gonna blame our "free will?" An omnipotent and omniscient being would at least have the foresight to realize that several thousand years in the future, people would use this oversight of slavery as an indictment against this beings character, right? Yet, the bible seems to portray this god as a proponent of slavery, which again, would've been easy to fix. You need to reassess your principles, my guy.
@ghost750x1
8 ай бұрын
@@johnnybgood7442 this is my stance on the matter youtu .be / 93JdjLqBQqE?si = RC1GPprhYZwj99Xl I wish you the best in life have a good one
@echomjp
8 ай бұрын
The thing is - even if God didn't directly oppose slavery or personally intervene to stop it - it still is ridiculous that he basically condones it in the first place and that such lines would be allowed within the Bible itself if it is divinely inspired. I can accept the argument that God doesn't want to intervene in our affairs due to things like "free will" and the like, at least somewhat. Though by that logic the Bible itself must be filled with falsehoods, as it contains countless examples of God intervening in the affairs of mere mortals - why then, and not now? I can't accept the argument though that God is opposed to slavery in any way given his depicted actions. If you are a Christian or otherwise think that the God of the Bible is real, it makes no sense for you to be morally opposed to slavery - because God clearly is not morally opposed to it. To be opposed to slavery therefore is to oppose the "objective morality" of your God. At that point, you aren't a Christian - though you might still believe God exists and is simply evil.
@johnnybgood7442
8 ай бұрын
@@echomjp the character of the god portrayed in the bible seems to mirror a lot of the ideals, values and rules of men. Homophobia, misogyny, sexism, slavery, ignorance... makes you wonder if it was just written by men and wasn't inspired by any type of god at all 🧐 🤔
@brandondriver99
8 ай бұрын
Deuteronomy 23:15-16 ESV “You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him."
@giovi.0
2 ай бұрын
God is financially savvy 😂. God is saying: you can beat your slave, but not so much that you lose your investment.
@aliceslab
8 ай бұрын
what i don't understand is how a simple animal like me is somehow morally superior to a god. like if i see suffering and i had that much power i wouldn't hesitate to stop such suffering. because observing something bad happening and doing nothing is just as bad as doing the action yourself .
@Helloytube
8 ай бұрын
I agree you dont understand
@aliceslab
8 ай бұрын
@@Helloytube ya I really don't its bizzare but hey the fact the universe acts according to chaos and evil is not intentional or anyones fault because there is no god.
@aliceslab
8 ай бұрын
@@Helloytube hey bud, a parent stops their child from going in the road, not just lets them because, " free will"
@Helloytube
8 ай бұрын
@aliceslab wow proof has just appeared with infinite human knowledge and reason. When a child is old enough to know right from wrong and develops knowledge like an adult should a parent still always interfer and stop them from there free will to do anything. Essentially enslaving them? There is large errors and gaps in your logic thinking ability 🤔
@aliceslab
8 ай бұрын
@@Helloytube not allowing someone to do something wrong, is not enslavement, in society we call them laws and accountability. you say people should be free to murder or theft, or rape, anything that effects other people. i say no, they should not be able to effect other people, but they are free to do anything besides that, so its not really enslavement just because they can't use their free will poorly they can still use it better and more wisely.
@avaraportti1873
8 ай бұрын
I mean, if morality was intelligently designed, there'd be no moral dilemmas
@RaymondTT
8 ай бұрын
Do you mean that everything that is intelligently made is simple? Or easy for everyone to understand?
@avaraportti1873
8 ай бұрын
@@RaymondTTNo, but without contradiction and we'd have the answers. Christians are just as lost with dilemmas as everybody.
@RaymondTT
8 ай бұрын
@@avaraportti1873 I agree. Sometimes we are all lost and dont know what is the morally right thing to do. But I dont think that is a sign of "not intelligently designed". If you think it is, please make an argument for it. It seems to me that "know the answer to all moral questions" is not a requirement for intelligent design. I think the fact that we have morality at all (that something is good and evil) is evidence of Gods design. If atheism is true - there would be no good or evil - only each persons opinion. So every moral dilemma and moral question would have the answer "whatever you want to be correct".
@thaddeusgenhelm8979
8 ай бұрын
@@RaymondTT Are you saying that you have evidence that morality actually exists outside of what people feel is correct? That such emotions aren't just the result of instinct and social conditioning? Because the extreme drift in what we consider moral over recorded history seems to suggest that, outside of some very, very basic survival related stuff, it's mostly cultural. Which is weird if it exists outside of the minds and societies of humans.
@RaymondTT
8 ай бұрын
@@thaddeusgenhelm8979 first off, a drift in what we see as moral is compatible with an objective morality (meaning independent of any human opinion). That would just show that we are fallible in our understanding or discovery of this moral reality. Next. I dont think there has been such a huge drift at all. Almost all societies have held to certain core moral values. For example "be good to your neighbour." Of course how this looks differs quite alot, but the core is the same. Can you point to a society with for example flipped moral values (like: be good to enemies and evil to friends or: treat guilty people better than innocent ones) As for proof, I have a couple of thoughts. 1. I think everyone knows its not a mere cultural opinion. Except for a few psychopats, everyone agrees that it is morally evil to torture babies for fun. We think this is true, not just our taste. 2. We all live as if morality is objective. If someone tells me they like pizza more than hamburgers, I will disagree, but accept thats their taste. Even a lunatic who likes leaves more than hamburger- I can accept he has a different taste. But its not like this in moral questions. We can tolerate small differences, but if someone says "oh you dont like murder? Me personally I really enjoy murdering innocent people." We immediately recognize that this is not a question of subjective taste, but of something much deeper. 3. I have no more proof that the world around me is objective and real than I do that morality is objective and real. 4. Morality is one of the strongest motivations we have as humans. I recognize that none of these are proofs. I take the position of some philosophers that "Belief in some properly basic beliefs are justified, even if they can not be proven - until a sufficient defeating argument is made against it." What about you? You seem to hold that morality is mostly a cultural invention/phenomena/norm? Do you believe [all] moral questions is a matter of personal taste? Do you live consistently with this?
@KossolaxtheForesworn
8 ай бұрын
"b-but how can you be moral without religion." it allows slavery, how is that moral.
@Fuckingtwat
6 ай бұрын
any person that stutters in a written format shouldn’t be a figure for any kind of intelligent debate…. Read the Bible if you actually want to learn this subject instead of listen to a echo chamber. Slavery was never good but in the Bible slavery was a debt collection, if you went in debt to me and couldn’t pay it off could become a slave to repay the debt then when it’s fulfilled you are no longer a slave. They was not kidnapped…. It’s basically the same premise as the irs coming and taking all the shit you have to repay for the debts you had
@BranoneMCSG
3 ай бұрын
He literally created the universe yet he can't stop his creations from owning eachother. Epic fail 😂
@BrendavonAhsen
8 ай бұрын
Please do more with Josh. He is fantastic!
@hvacunveiled8268
8 ай бұрын
Why am I listening to a witty kid say what he gives credence about what a God might be doing?
@97Napkins
8 ай бұрын
Yeah it is insanity
@PatrickS-zs2cb
8 ай бұрын
Beacuse we should have faith in young witty British kids with vast knowledge and life experiance.. Lmao I tried to hold it in
@hvacunveiled8268
8 ай бұрын
Because he was there in the past and has the ability to Judge entire civilizations with just his IQ and spong bob pajamas
@Helloytube
8 ай бұрын
lol@@hvacunveiled8268
@Helloytube
8 ай бұрын
Because his vocabulary is good that he learned in School a few years ago and now we must honor him in all his boyish intellectual knowledge
@aidanmullard8508
8 ай бұрын
God when children make fun of a bald guy. Bears.
@markwildt5728
7 ай бұрын
It amazes me that people still use this argument against the bible. If you simply read the whole chapter in context, it clearly spells out there is to be no mistreatment of your servants, (not slaves) and any mistreatment results in them being released as debt free (because they are only servants because they owe a debt). So if it's already clearly spelled out that they aren't to be mistreated, then what makes you think they're allowed to be beaten as long as they don't die? In the proper context they are to be set free and have their debt erased. However, if they die within a certain amount of time, the master is to be "punished" (from the Hebrew word 'naqam' which means to avenge, or in other words, be put to death). So in full context this passage is saying if you beat your servant, they are to be set free and the master is to be punished. However, if they die within 3 days, the master is to also be put to death. All you have to do is read the entire chapter and stop cherry picking a single verse in isolation, while not understanding the original text. There is absolutely nothing immoral about this passage, and it's actually quite in line with the modern morals and values of the ones criticizing it... This is what you call intellectual laziness and/or dishonesty.
@jasonutty52
4 ай бұрын
Someone who needs to be "set free" doesn't sound like a "servant" to me.
@rumdeal
4 ай бұрын
Well thats interesting. Where would I find that chapter in the Binle ?
@milliondollarmistake
3 ай бұрын
"oh they're not ACTUALLY slaves, they're just indebted servants who you own as property, totally different"
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
Why is that a hard concept to understand? God has to work with fallible people. God gave divorce laws to the ancient Israelites, but God hates divorce according to Jesus. The fact that God permitted something to exist temporarily doesnt mean that was Gods will for it to exist.
@ErikratKhandnalie
8 ай бұрын
When you claim that your god is absolute, then yes, allowing something to exist is exactly the same thing as willing it to exist. Your god is either weak or evil, and his own book makes a solid case for why he's evil.
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
@@ErikratKhandnalie I am not a calvinist. God gave human beings free will. That gives man the capacity to be evil and do evil things. God could have created robots that only do what he tells them to do. God did not. God's sovereignty does not violate human free will. It does, however, take it into account in accomplishing His will. God's purpose on the earth will not be stopped by human choice. Ultimately, God will judge sin but on his own time table not yours. It doesn't make God weak. God is weak in so far as God has mercy on human beings giving them time to repent. If you consider God being merciful a weakness fine , but I will accept his 'weakness" and receive that mercy. Slavery isn't a mandate to today's Christians BTW. there are plenty of laws in the old testament are obselete because they were contextualized for a particular time, place, and people. You might as well accuse God of incompetency because he established a new covenant with Jesus and made the old one obselete. It isn't though. God has fallible human beings to work with.
@karolinawww6834
8 ай бұрын
You don't see how that's even worse? Either he's not all powerful or he allows pain and suffering "temporarily", just for the fun of it. Believers really don't need thinking to believe, just face it shout "because I say so" that would make more sense than arguments like this
@karolinawww6834
8 ай бұрын
Also, how convenient for the guy, he does the good and all the rest is the devil, free will or "nature", and also - that was the plan all along! Very clever
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
@@karolinawww6834 You said for the "fun" of it not me. The consequence of human free will is the capacity of evil and the resulting suffering for it. Who are you to make a judgment on God about why you exist? Honestly? What standard are metric are you using to judge God by? Your own subjective morality? It amazes me how athiests are offended by their personal notions of right and wrong when they are rooted in nothing but how they "FEEL" about it. God did not want robots. Would you want to marry a robot or have a robot for a child? God gives adequate amounts of grace and mercy to help people cope with suffering. People can reject God but it is their own doing not God's fault. People are to blame not God. I didn't even bring up the devil BTW you did. The only question that you can arguably have is why did God create human agents with free will? Will He is God you are not. I ask that myself too. Maybe God is lonely who knows. But here we are.
@cassif19
3 ай бұрын
"God couldn't ban slavery because so many people were doing it at the time" - Are you telling me that they hadn't discovered sex before marriage until God banned it?
@agentoffortune74
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, there's all that business with prostitutes too. (Sarcasm). He prohibits it, but certainly seems to look the other way all the time.
@burstcity3832
8 ай бұрын
God didn't end slavery the British did.
@br3669
8 ай бұрын
The only thing "the British" ended was British slavery. In other words, after centuries of murdering and and raping and torturing people for centuries, they stopped murdering and raping and torturing people eventually. Here's a cookie.🍪
@outermarker5801
8 ай бұрын
That last part is the kicker. God has zero problems utterly abolishing some common practices among HIS people as an example to the world around them, so why is slavery an exception? Wouldn't the Israelites be a great example in that way too? It's almost like this stuff was really written by oh I dunno, people of the time, not a 'god'.
@noegojimmy
8 ай бұрын
I thought I was insane. Well done KZitem! You pass this and prohibit me to say "Fuck off" to someone... Beyond ridiculous...
@user-vm5yk2js6w
8 ай бұрын
Interesting that Christians say about this bible texts that they have to be seen out of their historic context. About the texts, that they claim are about homosexuality, and that definately have to be seen out of their historical context, they say are objective true. The complete bible is a subjective interpretation of a possible objective god/gods with man made moralities and rules out of their historic context.
@infochan6776
8 ай бұрын
The all-knowing god not knowing how to peacefully end slavery asap and instead leave it ongoing for centuries even till present day. Ok.
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
So you're expecting the creator to abide by modern human morals? Morals that aren't even consistent because slavery still exists, it's called minimum wage and watching your son go hungry while you're being explored at work. Face it, they convinced you slavery ended just so you're a happy slave 😂
@ericbilodeau3897
4 ай бұрын
When you read the KJV or ESV it says the master is to be punished if the slave dies unless the slave survives for a day or two. Which seems to imply that its even ok to kill the slave as long as he isn't immediately killed but instead dies later on from injuries. KJV: 20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. 21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. ESV: 20 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money. However the NIV seems to contradict this and doesn't really make sense. NIV: 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Instead of saying its ok to kill your slave as long as they dont die until after a day or two, it says you wont be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two which seems to imply that if the slave doesn't recover after a day or two and then dies you will still be punished? Which seems to contradict the verse which directly proceeds that which says the master is only punished if the slave dies directly. I don't know any Hebrew to be able to translate this myself but logically the NIV makes no sense in its translation. The KJV/ESV make much more sense and they seem to permit the killing of slaves as long as the death isn't direct and immediate but takes a few days to occur
@lovespeaks777
6 ай бұрын
The best part of Alex criticizing these verses is the fact that according to his views: 1. People don’t have free will, so if they have slaves and beat them they couldn’t have done otherwise. 2. Morality is subjective, so no one can be morally objectively wrong for having slaves or beating them. 😊
@milliondollarmistake
3 ай бұрын
That's not what "having no free will" means and that's not how moral subjectivity works.
@srinivasaragha1854
3 ай бұрын
God is writting for people for that time ❌, people are writing in the name of God for that time ✅, maybe
@montyswift5661
2 ай бұрын
So none of the bible can be trusted?
@srinivasaragha1854
2 ай бұрын
@@montyswift5661 don't trust anything blindly, scrutinize every piece of knowledge only relevant to you, everything stated in books of scriptures aren't relevant for everybody, all the books of scriptures are vague or cannot be understood by a layman, it needs some kind of scholar, here comes the people twisting the data to their benefit or beliefs, hence it's tiresome, so it's better to read books on morals, science in our times rather than few 100 or 1000 years ago
@srinivasaragha1854
2 ай бұрын
@@montyswift5661so in conclusion beleive in something only after understanding the logical reason behind it, if Bible says something which logically makes sense to you, yeah, but the difficulty lies in understanding it and it being written for times in past
@TheStickyKey
2 ай бұрын
As a completely omnipotent and omniscient being I often just sit back and let people make judgment calls surrounding my morality and then damn them to eternal torture when they get it wrong and also when they get it right, but ultimately it's their fault for being my creation. Lol
@joex9865
Ай бұрын
Maybe if the slaves worshipped the correct God, they wouldn't be slaves
@br3669
8 ай бұрын
It's fascinating how the "free will" argument just totally ignores the free will of the enslaved people. God had two choices: 1.interfere with the enslavers' choices, thereby creating a world where enslavers can't exercise their free will to enslave people. 2. not interfere with the enslavers' actions, thereby creating a world where enslaved people can't exercise their free will to do anything at all. I don't know what made him prefer 2 over 1, but "human free will above all else" ain't it.
@Martepiece
8 ай бұрын
Slavery wasn't based on race, war, or religion. Slavery was for debtors who didn't pay their debts and was a way for a man to get somehow his money back from a debtor. And yes, God DID established the released of Slaves AND prisoners during the Yobel (Jubelee) the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita (7 years) When slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven, and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest. Many countries even nowadays have similar laws. If you have a debt and don't pay you can be sentenced to force labor.
@AnStocking
8 ай бұрын
Only if the slaves were Israelites. Important distinction because most slaves during the time these laws were in practice were from neighboring lands. I’d also contend that it wasn’t based on “war” as these commandments also outline how slaves of conquered nations were to be treated. Slavery isn’t abhorrent just because it’s based on those three things either. It’s cruel and inhumane at a base level, discrimination is entirely unnecessary to reach that conclusion. Debt slavery is just as bad because you can legally treat humans as property and as such treat them however you like. And lastly, do you think that just because a law is practiced elsewhere that it’s somehow justified? There are countries where you can legally marry an 11 year old girl at any age. A law existing in modern times doesn’t make it morally sound by default.
@ashley_brown6106
3 ай бұрын
"We need God to have subjective morality" Buddy, even God doesn't have that😂😂😂😂
@user-vi5vn1gm6p
6 ай бұрын
I wonder if “people of the time”were mad about that rule. I mean, they considered slaves to be their property and I doubt people like being told what not to do with property. “You can own a chair. If you break that chair, you’re punished. But if chair is not broken during two days after you tried to break it, you’re fine” The point is that if limiting what you can do with slaves didn’t cause “people of the time” to turn away from religion, what’s the proof that abolishing slavery would
@mikespilligan7840
Ай бұрын
Would have been nice god gave us a heads up about bacteria and electricity, that might have been useful infirmation.
@snufkinmatt162
8 ай бұрын
Why didn't God say "slavery is wrong" to Noah after he wiped out the rest of humanity. 3 words could have prevented millennia of suffering. Oh but you keep saying he's all good.
@kyle--859
8 ай бұрын
You just entirely defeated their argument. If he wiped out everyone that means there was no existing social pressure to keep slavery, so it would have been easy to get rid of.
@gideondavid30
8 ай бұрын
@@kyle--859 Wiping out the entire human race did not stop sin. Sin still exists in the world. Slavery as a practice was the norm. From God's perspective, it isn't inherently evil or it would have been expressly forbidden. The New Testament even exhorts Christians to be slaves for Christ to suffer persecution and martyrdom. For the Christian today, however, who does not live under the old covenant law, there is nothing compelling him or her to make slaves for himself. And any justification given to take a slave cannot be rooted in selfishness because Christians are called to love other people.
@Osafune2
7 ай бұрын
Implicit within your argument is the idea that God is amoral or even evil. So tell me, what is your justification for this value judgement? You cannot seriously be this dumb. The arrogance of thinking you’ve owned theists when you guys literally cannot understand basic epistemology is amazing
@WilliamBruhhh
8 ай бұрын
You skipped the last part which is very important. “Therefore his money is his bond.” If read the one you are, this verse makes it seem as though God is permitting one to beat their slave. That is, in fact, not what is being said. This isn’t chattel slavery, it’s bond slavery. You work for a man if you owe him money. Therefore, you are the man’s money, after all, the service you provide is what’s being paid for the loan he gave you. SO this verse is saying that if a master kills his slave he is to be punished. Perfect, makes sense. The second part however, is saying he shouldn’t be punished because if he hurts his slave and puts him out of work for even a few days, the punishment is the fact that his money(the servant) is no longer working and therefore his master has just shot himself in the foot. Therefore, the moral of this story is, DO NOT TOUCH YOUR SERVANT. Imagine you hurt your work horse, even slightly, and put him it out of work for a few days, you’ve only caused problems for yourself. And, if you remember, as pointed out in parts of the Bible, Israelites were only allowed to have a servant for a maximum of 6 years before the servant was to be relieved, no matter how large the loan the servant owed. So any amount of time a servant was out of work was only costing the master. This is what this verse means, and it’s the only way it makes any sense.
@golden-63
8 ай бұрын
There is no context or reason in which owning another human being is moral.
@WilliamBruhhh
8 ай бұрын
@@golden-63 it’s not owning, it’s serving under contract, but whatever makes you feel better. Might I also add such a contract can’t extent 6 years in the case of Israelites.
@simonpedersen5398
8 ай бұрын
@@WilliamBruhhhWell, in the case of foreign slaves, it WAS “owning” them indefinitely. Unless you beat them so severely they lost an eye of course
@Early2000sCringe
6 ай бұрын
@@WilliamBruhhhJust gonna ignore the bits about slaves captured in war being enslaved indefinitely, or how folks can pass slaves on as inheritance? Cool, twist yourself further into a pretzel to avoid confronting the fact that owning other people is wrong
@Simon-nv5zj
4 ай бұрын
God is omnipotent and omniscient, except when it comes to slavery, hell, and bone cancer in children.
@Brosowski
2 ай бұрын
Do people understand that Slavery was fairer back then? Slavery in Israel and most of the world at the time wasn't based on Race, it was based on Economics. If you owned a debt to someone, then you had to pay it back. God in the OT made sure that the terms were fair meaning that once your debt was payed, you were to be set free. Now, applying common sense to the verse is very hard for some, but assume that they broke the terms of the "agreement". While beating was still in the ballpark of fair treatment, killing the person was too far because you took more than what you were owed.
@montyswift5661
2 ай бұрын
Okay, ignoring the fact that it absolutely was racial, based on what the bible says about enslaving Jewish people compared to foreign people. Also ignoring the fact that whether or not it was racial is irrelevant, since slavery is wrong because owning and abusing another person is morally wrong, not because it was racist, since the transatlantic slave trade wasn't initially racial either, there were slaves of all races, black slaves were just the most common, and often the only way black people could live in America. Also ignoring the fact that the bible states explicitly that while a slave would be set free after 7 years, it also states that the slave's family would remain slaves for their entire lives, and the only way he could be with them is to remain a slave. Also ignoring the fact that slavery to pay off a debt is horrific, since having debt is just an unfortunate side effect of being poor, not something that should be punished. Even ignoring all of that, beating a slave is still wrong and unjustifiable. Why does the bible defend it?
@Brosowski
2 ай бұрын
@@montyswift5661 Huh? Not gonna lie I disagree with almost completely with your arguments here as well. Slavery was not Race based it was based on Economics. Other civilizations at that time and earlier practiced Debt Slavery. If you owed a debt to someone, you paid it back through being a worker. Slaves could earn money in some cases, and would be set free once there "sentence" was complete. Sure, it sucks a lot to have to be in this position. But in that society, what were you going to do with people who didn't have anything and couldn't do anything except work. Payed labour was expensive and being a Slave was one of the best options to get out of being a slave in Israel. Other civilizations didn't really do this as much so I'll stick with you there, that it sucks. The question is, If every society needed Slavery to function at one point or another, doesn't that mean that maybe, the Jews and the Bible are not to blame? Slavery is wrong, but we can't deny that is HAS to exist to some extent in every country and civilization. Name a civilization that didn't have or need Slavery on any scale. They have to be bigger than a city or a small island. Persia is the only one, but they had Slavery in that region prior so I would guess that Slavery wasn't needed as much anymore. The Bible never supports anything about Slavery. I have said this before but, the word Support and Condone are different and the word Condone is the better word. The Bible never says that abusing your Slaves is right. Abusing means that the person being abused did nothing wrong or did something minor and is being brutally punished. Slaves were allowed to be beat as punishment for disobedience, or whatever they did that broke the "contract". Similar to how a Father could use a belt or spank their children when they disobeyed. It's only abuse if the punishment goes too far. Like how instead of 5 strikes the person gives 50 strikes or whatever. Yeah, you are right about the different races of Slaves, the word Slave comes from the word Slav which is Russian/Eastern European. White Slaves, Asian Slaves, African Slaves, Middle Eastern Slaves, etc. all existed throughout History and even today. The rules about Slavery are Cherri picked from critics of the Bible, so I'll agree with you that the Bible doesn't seem to be 100% moral in this case. But, what if the Law of Moses, wasn't mean to be 100% Moral? If you know the theology of the Bible you'll see that God never said that the Law of Moses was to be THE Law forever. It was the law of the Jews for a period of time, before Jesus came. I can't get into it too much but basically, God made that Law of Moses so he temporary and to eventually be Fixed, Replaced, Fulfilled and made better by Jesus. That is what Jesus often talks about in the Gospels The Bible doesn't defend Slavery, it merely places strict guidelines on how to treat your slaves. It isn't like VERY OTHER civilization at the time that waged wars to get slaves! Or a pagan religion that told the followers to enslave their enemies. I am curious, did the Jews enslave their enemies constantly after battle? The Jews were the ones being enslaved...like A LOT. To sum it up, the Bible looks at Slavery, not in a "let's go do Slavery", it's done in a "if you must do it, here is how". Some Bible verses to look at. - Leviticus 25:43-46 "You shall not rule over him with severity, but are to revere your God" - Deuteronomy 15:13 "When you see him free, you shall not send him away empty-handed" - 1 Corinthians 7:21 "Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you --- although if you can gain your freedom, do so." - Galatians 5:1 "It is for Freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of Slavery" I could go in, but should see the point. Old Testament was allowing Slavery for a time, the New Testament tries to abolish it. That proves my points about how the Law of Moses was temporary, the Jews were better at Slavery (which still doesn't make it right), and that the Bible does not Support Slavery. If you want to, you can argue the Torah supports Slavery, but take that up with Jews, not Christians. If I made any mistakes of grammer and spelling, my bad. I can't keep re-reading this.
@Vgamer311
6 ай бұрын
“I mean, I’d hate to ask for too much. Who am I to tell people how to live?” -God, apparently
@humanitech
4 ай бұрын
Any god who subjugates, judges rewards, favours or damns is nothing more than human
@peterkoome8722
8 ай бұрын
I've been listening to many urguments from athiests on this matter and other matters of the old testament. One thing I have seen in almost all urguments is the lack of understanding of the laws in the old testament, the setting of the old covenant vs the new covenant and finally the fall of man in relation to free will. Most of them only stop at the verses, very few go an extra step to study the reasons behind the laws, and they also ignore many other scriptures which oppose some of these laws. All in all I came to one conclusion; human beings, majority, are not willing to search for the truth and we all want to prove that what we believe is the truth. I really pray that we all would go an extra step of looking for the truth and not just wanting to prove our points. This applies to everyone no matter what their beliefs are.
@SupremeSquiggly
8 ай бұрын
Lol bro you can’t even spell “argument” correctly and you think you can give a coherent one? Smh
@Early2000sCringe
6 ай бұрын
Sorry I dont understand your magical fables right. What's God got to say about slavery these days? No updated holy book, huh? Still got the old one where r*pe and slavery are A-OK?
@peterkoome8722
6 ай бұрын
@@Early2000sCringe kindly provide the scriptures you get your assumptions from then we can address these matters. But as far as I have read, there is nowhere Jesus encourages slavery or rape, as a matter of fact He says that He came to set the captives free and that anyone who even lusts over a woman is guilty of sin.
@pedalfr3ak265
8 ай бұрын
Slavery in those days as practiced by the Israelite nation was a form of indentured servitude, not the form of slavery we see today or within the past 400 years. God outlawed and forbade many other things such as idol worship, murder, witchcraft, etc yet it was still practiced. God still put guidelines in place for "slavery" because he knew we would do it knowing it was a form of employment for people. There was a level of accountability that masters were held to.
@BalimSwogat
8 ай бұрын
If god wanted to stop slavery he just could, but he chose to only put some guidelines instead. That's still evil
@maggiebarrett7300
8 ай бұрын
You mean “guidelines” such as beating your slaves TO THE POINT OF DEATH as long as they don’t actually die within a day or two of the beating!!
@ingenuity296
4 ай бұрын
"God" was actually the people who wrote the bible.
@gid519
8 ай бұрын
Lol ensues chaos. Love it when they say that. As they forgot god drowned the entire world in the bible.
@bubbafowpend9943
8 ай бұрын
Or had the power to make sure chaos didn't ensue. And if he knew slavery would be a thing one day that he struggled to eradicate, why didn't he just prevent it from being a thing in the 1st place? Doesn't sound particularly powerful, nor wise.
@RAFAEL27769
8 ай бұрын
Alex omits "For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy. The vast majority of ancient Israel were as lawless as the surrounding nations. They did what was wicked .
@Mohamed-bm6yk
2 ай бұрын
You think slavery IS abolished now look harder slavery never had been abolished and never would be abolished
@Nubby110
21 күн бұрын
So you think it’s okay to condone it because of that?
@christophe_barge
3 ай бұрын
And the bible thumpers continue finding ways around these chapters. A sickness like none other!
@garyfrancis6193
8 ай бұрын
Sounds good to me. Now get back to work. God says so.
@rollingrockink1
8 ай бұрын
Tell me you've never been in a history class without telling me that you've never been in a history class.
@CheknoEternity
8 ай бұрын
"You see, slavery was part of their culture! My deity couldn't just stop that practice!" Uh... yes it could. Your deity wields magic power and you believe your deity is morally right on all things and could've commanded it's adherence in stopping the practice, just like it did with stopping some people from eating pork and oysters. What’s really messed up are these same “loving” Christian’s were still lynching black people in the 1800’s and 1900’s
@Sbock86
2 ай бұрын
Commanding adherence and stopping it completely are two entirely different things. Kinda evident in human behaviour, no?
@Sbock86
2 ай бұрын
It's almost like we weren't there. And we aren't aware of what it was like at the time. But hey - we know so much better. Look at our anti-God secularism which is responsible for more deaths in the 20th century than any other period in history.
@CheknoEternity
2 ай бұрын
@@Sbock86 doesn’t matter
@Sbock86
2 ай бұрын
@@CheknoEternity um, it kinda does. You really think God saying "don't do this" has an effect on the majority of human behaviour? Look around you.
@CheknoEternity
2 ай бұрын
@@Sbock86 god doesn’t exist, that’s why. Especially the Christian god.
@Csio12
3 ай бұрын
My oh my. God is a politician? Alex Im in awe of your intelligence and how articulate you are. Accent too is soooo easy on my ear.
@DarkMatter2525
7 ай бұрын
The God who supposedly inspired the culture being "considerate" of the culture was always a funny argument to me.
@tl7163
8 ай бұрын
Why does the bible not condemn slavery? Because the bible is supposed to help individuals recognise God. It’s not a legal document, or a road map to utopia, or an attempt to create government policy. Jesus did not expect Babylon to adopt his teachings. His teachings are for the victims of Babylon (meaning empire). Christianity isn’t supposed to guide policy makers. It’s supposed to help people cope with the hardships of life through a connection to God. Though this connection, individually, we try and follow the right path. It attempts to guide us, and it says in no uncertain terms; treat your neighbours as yourself.
@syltis1994
8 ай бұрын
It literally has 10 rules as it's core tenants. My guy cmoon
@tl7163
8 ай бұрын
Yes but they are for the individual rather than the state…. For the record, I don’t believe in anything or nothing, It’s anyone’s guess. I think if anything, if Jesus was ‘awake to reality’ or whatever it could be, then why would you assume that the organisations that came after, who wear Christianity on their sleeve, would adopt his beliefs properly and faithfully? They won’t, they will use it for power. In short, Jesus wrote nothing down, and his followers became too many to ignore politically, and so the church was formed and other people, hungry for power, became the custodians of his teachings. And thus the human failings begin.
@jesustyronechrist2330
8 ай бұрын
Slavery is the most Satan-like move God ever did.
@J040PL7
4 ай бұрын
Stop blaming God for stuff humans did 🤷
@mazikeensmith2606
8 ай бұрын
"There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds." - Anne Nicol Gaylor
@lotsofstuff9645
8 ай бұрын
I find any time I speak with someone about the bible or see someone challenged about an immoral passage in the bible the standard response is that it’s being taken out of context. What I never hear though is someone explaining what the correct context is. At least not in any sort of satisfactory way. It would be great if someone could explain why owning humans as property and being allowed to assault them was fine for this god. According to the book he had published there are loads of things he didn’t like people doing and was happy to tell them not to do it or they’ll get the stick, but slavery is just fine. It would be interesting to have someone help me understand the actual context that I should be aware of.
@commonsense215
8 ай бұрын
Judaism was a warrior and conquering religion even till this day.
@CheknoEternity
8 ай бұрын
Not with those goofy braided pigtails they’re not lol
@commonsense215
8 ай бұрын
@@CheknoEternity Christians who were hunted would disagree as would the Palestinians and Cananites...lol
@CheknoEternity
8 ай бұрын
@@commonsense215 • there was no exodus (no sign of hebrews in egypt, no signs of what 2million people + stuff stamping the earth would have left behind, no encampments on the sinai peninsula... it's so bad that archaeologists who went to find evidence of the encampment (i.e. refuse piles, latrines, dropped stuff) by mount sinai couldn't find... mount sinai itself, because the mountain appears to not exist) • the israelites didn't kill all the canaanites - they WERE canaanites (it appears that they were all one collection of people, and at some point the "israelites/jews" became the dominant faction) * In the stories of the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac Jacob) we read about camels and caravans of camels, although the stories happened before the camels were domesticated in the Levant region and before the trade routes of camel caravans opened. The reason it was even mentioned was that the books were written later, in the days of the camel trade, by people who did not know it was a relatively recent development. If Moses didn't exist, Judaism is false. If the Mosiac Law is false, then Jesus neither fulfilled nor broke the Mosiac Law. If Moses has no evidence of existing and was never a prophet of the Abrahamic God, then Mohammad cannot be a Seal of the Prophets. Therefore, all Abrahamic faiths are equally false. Adam and Eve didn’t exist so there is no original sin and there is no need for a savior.
@Phill0old
4 ай бұрын
They aren't too be punished means they aren't too be killed. So it isn't murder, because they didn't die.
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