Bro really said Goku and Vegeta aren’t rivals when his favorite anime is a carbon copy of dbz and the Goku vegeta rivalry just in reverse (friends that became enemies)
@duplexpanda5038
2 күн бұрын
@@opimpers What anime do you think is a copy of dragon ball z? LMAO
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
@@opimpers my favorite anime is DBZ
@ollyjhb3872
2 күн бұрын
@@duplexpanda5038 all modern shounen are influenced from the GOAT scrub
@ckingc05
2 күн бұрын
The "Yea, I wasn't Really Suggesting" Line Is just peak.
@achilles112
2 күн бұрын
Especially the smirk on goku’s face after
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
The music being cut before the line is ridiculous
@lightyoshiman
2 күн бұрын
funimation dub had him being blunt as fuck "yea I'm way above you" but here he was just out right being a smartass which burns even more and imagen how much his heart burned when he later learns that his rival's kid was leagues above both of them
@JinTheSlim
Күн бұрын
Kai dub better
@supagreatman2826
Күн бұрын
@lightyoshiman doesn't justify vegeta getting everyone murked in buu saga
@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap
2 күн бұрын
goku had vegeta fiending for a rematch for a whole ass decade 😭
@adrianmarion4625
2 күн бұрын
let's not forget that bro sold his body to a sentient scrotum for more power, and goku still had to hide SSJ3 from him
@drich008
2 күн бұрын
At that point in the series (buu saga) vegeta hadn’t even lost to Goku. He was 2-0 against him but the second one wasn’t really a dub since Goku had ssj3, and the first one he didn’t win the battle in the end. But let’s not forget Goku needed kaioken x3 just to get a slight advantage on Vegeta that amounted to nothing, then needed kaioken x4 to win a beam clash with him and vegeta still survived getting hit with that kamehameha, then proceeded to get hit with a spirit bomb, slashed in the back, and crushed by great ape Gohan, and still survived.
@childishe60
2 күн бұрын
@@drich008One of the biggest reason he considered Goku being 2-0 with him is because Goku always won the mental game with Vegeta. Vegeta easily overpowered him in the great Ape form but in his mind, the fact that a low class made him use his transformation and lived to tell about it was an insult. Their second battle didn’t really count because of them getting distracted with Buu revival and also Vegeta knew Goku was holding back. That was another insult to him because in his eyes, Goku looked down on him even with the situation being dire.
@adrianmarion4625
Күн бұрын
@drich008 no fr vegeta was like a roach in a nuclear war during the saiyan saga. toriyama loves making his characters "unkillable" during their arcs
@TRJ42
Күн бұрын
@@drich008 if we’re strictly talking about Dragon Ball, Z that’s a one 1-0 majin Vegeta versus Goku is a draw considered by both characters that’s not a W for Vegeta
@pamajam4038
2 күн бұрын
Goku really does showcase a Healthy mindset to training and competition. Its never about dunking or breaking his opponent, just wants to make himself and in turn others better. Which is another contributing factor to his massive growth compared to Vegeta i feel
@RONSSI-h4z
2 күн бұрын
Bro u absolutely cooked🥶
@kevintanza6968
Күн бұрын
Goku was also willing to have teachers and learn from others. That helped him improve greatly. He wouldn't be the same without Roshi, Korin, Kami, Mr. Popo, Kaiosama, and even Whis now.
@_questdbz
Күн бұрын
True but not at the same time. Namek saga super saiyan goku prolonged his fight with frieza to destroy his ego
@Fuegoaries
Күн бұрын
@@_questdbzBro was legit angry and overcome with pride due to freshly transforming into a SSJ he wanted to make Frieza suffer so it’s not like a more constant thing but he did learn from this experience but even in this moment Goku still knows wha he be doing even trying to give frieza a chance.
@lordtt3984
Күн бұрын
Goku stood on Nappa's head though?
@dionysisnance4204
2 күн бұрын
I love when goku was telling vegeta that he ain't on his level after the time chamber training.
@DLxxx
Күн бұрын
The way he consistently rebuffs Vegeta's attempts to spark competition (like he did after arriving from Yardrat) just makes it clear. He wasn't interested in having a rival. All Goku wanted was a strong opponent to test his skills against. It could've been anyone, not necessarily Vegeta. This is part of why I don't like their dynamic in Super. The way Goku gets salty about losing their sparring match and says "Story of your life, huh?" Is a complete contradictory to his blatant indifference to Vegeta's comments in DBZ. Goku, fundamentally, never had that kind of pride or ego in his pursuit of strength. All he wanted was to test his limits. Vegeta explicitly said as much during his "You are the best" speech when Goku was fighting Kid Buu.
@JayLargeAfro
2 күн бұрын
Thundergod tomorrow "Goku & Vegeta were rivals"
@ThunderGodTG
Күн бұрын
S Tier Joke 😂
@JohaalyIve-qi2qd
Күн бұрын
@@ThunderGodTG "Goku vs Vegeta in dragon ball super were never rivals"
@gokuvegeta7770
Күн бұрын
@@JohaalyIve-qi2qd then why did vegeta tell freeza he wont kill goku because he needs him to push himself now tell me what a rival is lmao
@JohaalyIve-qi2qd
Күн бұрын
@@gokuvegeta7770 r/woosh
@kirbystar35
Күн бұрын
Vegeta was taking their dynamic way too seriously that it became an obsession to surpass Goku. Goku was most of the time was nonchalant about it.
@jamesjoe1690
Күн бұрын
Yeah, and the gap in power wasn't even that wide
@filpie6892
2 күн бұрын
I must agree that the rivalry in Z was, at best, one-sided. While promotional materials, games, and fan discussions frequently amplify their sense of competition, this dynamic isn't as present in the manga. In fact, Weekly Shōnen Jump, issue #28 from 1995 states, "A pair of rivals have merged with the Potara!". While we don't know who wrote that line, it's obvious that someone writing for Jump saw their relationship in this light. Personally, I enjoy their Super dynamic, particularly when they team up for two-on-one battles. It adds an intriguing twist to their relationship and demonstrates that Vegeta has matured since the end of Z and can now compete with Goku in a healthier manner. It's a fascinating topic, and I look forward to seeing more videos like this from you in the future. Cheers!
@philw3039
Күн бұрын
Their rivalry is actually brought up in the manga itself. Elder Kai mentions the fact that Goku and Vegeta compete against each other actually helps make the fusion more effective.
@DLxxx
Күн бұрын
@@philw3039Right, but it was still one-sided. At that point, Vegeta was still obsessed with comparing himself to Goku (he almost refused to even listen about the Potara because he discovered Goku could use SSJ3). You could argue he reciprocated once Majin Vegeta became a thing, but he really only fought him to help Vegeta work through his existential crisis. Not to compete or prove anything to him (at that point, the gap between their powers was the largest it had ever been, so of course Goku had nothing to prove). It's also worth noting that Old Kai had only just been released from the Z Sword. How much could he possibly know about Goku and Vegeta's relationship?
@nicholasaugello2534
2 күн бұрын
2:08 i just wanna point this out , Vegeta literally killed the one person in the entire universe at this point in the story that ever cared about him and vaporized him for no good reason.
@FLYYADIGG24
2 күн бұрын
Lets not act like nappa cared about vegeta if nappa was stronger he'd do the same thing but vegeta killing him is still dumb business wise since nappa could most likley be healed later cause if people near the z fighters strength just jumped vegeta with no care of survival he'd most likely die
@kevintanza6968
Күн бұрын
@@FLYYADIGG24 It also doesn't make sense with Vegeta's characterization in Namek. He was willing to join forces with Krillin and Gohan when the Ginyu Force showed up.
@SaltedMallows
Күн бұрын
@@kevintanza6968 Nah it makes sense. The time period where Vegeta lived his life under friezas thumb turned the saiyans into even more ruthless mercenaries that were very cut throat. To the point that Frieza's oppression essentially turned some of the saiyans against eachother to either maintain their own lives or frieza's favor. I figure Vegeta just never saw a personal connection to nappa, only seeing him as a meat headed tool. Also I think he know's both he and nappa aren't good people, and Vegeta never struggles to ice bad people.
@Seraphim653
Күн бұрын
@@FLYYADIGG24nappa was vegeta teacher and friend, it took care of vegeta as a child, in favt he was basically vegeta second father, so I don’t think nappa would ever try to kill vegeta regardless of power levels
@SBoundless
Күн бұрын
@@FLYYADIGG24It’s questionable whether Nappa would do the same or not. Remember Nappa was the one who first brought up bringing back Raditz with the Dragon Balls, someone he viewed as a weakling. Although he did move on from that thought pretty fast so who knows. Still a terrible look for Vegega nonetheless.
@superxcrazy1989
2 күн бұрын
Completely agree it not being a rivalry is literally the point of Vegetas frustration and the culmination of that is Vegetas speech when Goku is fighting Kid Buu, I feel their rivalry in super is weird and people like to act like they’ve been rivals the whole time.
@_WiZ420
2 күн бұрын
I agree they aren't rivals in Z, but I don't think that made super's rivalry weird? Think about it: it's the fact that Vegeta finally acknowledges Goku as the superior, and soon after this, he shows Goku that he caught up. They hold their rivalries now for the sake of surpassing everyone around them as opposed to each other: the way that Goku was always thinking about Vegeta from the moment he met him. No one can take away from the fact that Goku acknowledges Vegeta's climbing powers seemingly following after him and occasionally, though temporarily surpassing him; it doesn't make it a rivalry, but the acknowledgment for Vegeta being a good source of seeing how to improve vs others. Once Vegeta, at the time of Super, begins to establish that same way of thinking, they are more evened out. The whole dynamic they have is that Vegeta is the aggressor who surpassed Goku, whereas Goku is the defender that can still keep up and surpass Vegeta, and this mirrors their very UI and UE forms by the end, which cements the implication of a rivalry beginning and setting ground for super itself.
@superxcrazy1989
2 күн бұрын
@@_WiZ420 I would agree with you I’d like them to be rivals in Super but he hasn’t changed he’s still obsessed with beating Goku for some reason, I feel like a healthy development would be him pursuing his own form of strength without obsessing over Goku. He still fights to win like he claims Goku doesn’t.
@_WiZ420
2 күн бұрын
@@superxcrazy1989 He's not obsessed anymore, this narrative consistently feels strange to me. I don't know how y'all focus on characters, but he merely retains a rivalry. It is just not the same; obsession is the type of shit that is repeatedly stated multiple times in every arc. It's at most a few times in one arc, and rarely otherwise. Training really can not be argued as this either
@ollyjhb3872
2 күн бұрын
@@superxcrazy1989 you don’t even read the manga 🤦
@_WiZ420
2 күн бұрын
Bext example, when the manga's Moro arc paints Vegeta's goal as Kakarot and not Moro, this was both in reference to the techniques gained on Yardrat and the general growth that was received from that training. "Surpassing" Kakarot wasn't even really a thing that he had to do at that time, as they were evenly matched when you know the context of which he says that. UI wasn't on the table. If you mean to say he intends to surpass MUI Goku, then that only proves the point that Vegeta accurately gauged that Goku would be strong enough to beat Moro. It doesn't seem like that was his intention, so it more clearly points to Yardrat and the rivalry as opposed to a blatant obsession.
@victorvonvictorstein
2 күн бұрын
One other thing I noticed is that Vegeta would always use a technique once and then just give up on it. Galick Gun didn't work, time for Final Crash. That didn't beat Reccoome, better develop the Big Bang Attack, and so on. He even did this with Super Saiyan after losing to 18 and seeing Piccolo after he fused with Kami. Whereas Goku perfects his techniques. He improved the Kamhameha, and instead of looking for a level beyond Super Saiyan, he decides to master it.
@interdimensionalcommunicat9750
2 күн бұрын
To be fair that can be said for most characters in the manga. Piccolo only ever used the Special Beam Cannon, Hellzone Grenade and Light Grenade once, not to mention him not using his giant form or stretchy limbs after the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi. Tien never used Multi-Form or the technique where he grows two extra arms again after first showing them off. IIRC even Gohan doesn't use the Masenko after his fight with Nappa, instead just switching to the Kamehameha. I think Toriyama just didn't want to repeat attacks too much.
@alatusedits
Күн бұрын
Vegeta still uses the galick gun, and all the other moves he made. So what's your point? He has mastered all his OWN techniques, unlike goku who only mastered other people's techniques that he learned instead of making his own
@BigVEE
Күн бұрын
Goku has no techniques save spinning in circles, biting, gag tail use, etc. Master SS? Where was this in Buu arc? That Goku did a 180, didn't he? "SS3"? What a fiasco. Totally undoes all that jabber. GG is a move proven to be just a better KMHM. BBA is unproven (only a goof would take that kill for something notable **like confusing the loss of a power struggle in the previous case**). FF demonstrated its merit. >Piccolo You mean the fusion formerly known as "Piccolo" fusing again (to job even harder)? Sad. He hasn't been himself since getting 2-0'd to death by a guy Vegeta killed (took the L so badly he gave the credit to Vegeta **who just ran with it**).
@BigVEE
Күн бұрын
@@interdimensionalcommunicat9750 SBC was used thrice. Twice in improvised fashion and once more in the true way (that none seem to recall **never gets used in games, movies, etc.**). The one-hand charge-up meme is just that. AT forgot. Toei didn't bother to remember either (for Rule of Cool's sake). It is true AT often doesn't repeat most of the moves he makes up, but that has more to do with him not remembering things. KMHM avoids this by being the first (even if low tier and elementary). It has meaning to him (from his mirror posing and wife naming it).
@matteocicaloni
Күн бұрын
Very good point
@Shadowenclave47
2 күн бұрын
That's one thing i liked about DBZ that separated itself from other shounen is that it didn't try to force the rival troupe on the protagonist too hard (until Super).
@RONSSI-h4z
2 күн бұрын
Fr now cuz of super vegeta fans would absolutely cry if goku is a little bit stronger than vegeta .There is a video by zephire->" vegeta ruined dragonball"(it ain't a hate vid towards vegeta btw). It exactly explains this.
@MarcusEveillard
2 күн бұрын
@@RONSSI-h4zzephire did not make that video
@RONSSI-h4z
2 күн бұрын
@@MarcusEveillard he did bro have u checked it ?
@AFed69
Күн бұрын
What do you mean, in multiple officla databooks and guides they're called rivals. Even in the manga they're called rivals by elder Kai when he explains why vegito is so strong
@DuelerofDestiny
Күн бұрын
To say that the rivalry in Super is forced is ignorant and it proves that there is a lack of comprehension within the fanbase.
@kaienglish271
2 күн бұрын
Spot on. Idk why ppl are disagreeing. After Goku’s defeat on earth he never tried to keep up with Vegeta he focused on himself. Whereas in Super they constantly one up each other .
@RONSSI-h4z
2 күн бұрын
Thats why I always say z goku has died
@AmneHex
Күн бұрын
In Super, theyre more like sparring buddies than actual rivals. Its less rivalry and more like your gym bro, vegeta has truly become Goku's "best buddy"
@kevintanza6968
Күн бұрын
@@AmneHex Krillin is still his best friends but yeah, Goku and Vegeta are friends now. There's no real animosity or hatred from Vegeta's part anymore. They truly like each other now. It's a healthy competition now.
@AmneHex
Күн бұрын
@@kevintanza6968 yeah the best buddy part was a dbza reference, but yeah krillin is the best friend
@jirenthegray5776
Күн бұрын
This is a blatant lie that completely overlooks the very reason Vegeta was spared in the first place. If y’all don’t read Dragon Ball, then just don’t speak on it. It’s not hard. 🤦♂️
@reignjudgment1028
Күн бұрын
“Vegeta is the only one competing in this race, goku just also happens to be running” I somewhat agree, but you can easily say the same of other rivals. Naruto is always chasing sasuke in every way, and unlike goku, sasuke actually doesn’t care about Naruto in the slightest for the majority of shippuden. However just because one person is more invested into the rivalry for longer periods of time doesn’t mean it isn’t a rivalry. That is actually to be expected with rivals whenever one of them becomes stronger than the other. It’s kind of hard to be rivals when your “rival” is significantly weaker than you. And both sasuke and goku literally worship power (be it in different ways). However they both will have absolutely zero interest in someone if they aren’t powerful. And they are both stronger than their rival for the majority of the series. And the times that they aren’t stronger, they are back focused on Naruto and Vegeta. Which proves my point. This difference in power is why goku seemed so unconcerned with vegeta in the cell saga. Despite vegeta previously being a milestone for goku. And it’s also why Naruto was pretty much invisible to sasuke I until the pain arc. Because Naruto became powerful, so sasuke began to see him again.
@philw3039
Күн бұрын
Sasuke's situation is a bit different because he himself was obsessed with defeating Itachi. His rivalry with Naruto was mainly important to him because he was using it to measure his progress towards being ready to face Itachi, it was never really about trying to outdo Naruto just for the sake of being superior (like Vegeta with Goku). And for awhile, Sasuke was very emotionally invested in their rivalry, especially after the fight with Gaara, when Naruto started pulling ahead in strength. However, once Itachi stepped back in the picture, Sasuke began to view their rivalry as a distraction because it went hand-in-hand with their growing bond which Sasuke came to believe was holding him back.
@UnwantedGhost1-anz25
2 күн бұрын
The only thing to ever be Goku's rival is his eternal growth to forever improve.
@arsenewenger4847
2 күн бұрын
Ironically that’s exactly what makes him stronger than Vegeta.
@seijin4426
Күн бұрын
Or piccolo
@dzigayu4944
2 күн бұрын
It's actually pretty interesting how Goku is most of the time the definitive superior but Vegeta is technically Invictus against Goku.
@blackopspro6455
Күн бұрын
Ngl this video made me realize I am literally Vegeta when it comes to fighting games and that’s why my growth is stunted. I play to win when I should be playing to get better like Goku does. Time to hit training mode in Sparking.
@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit
2 күн бұрын
DragonBall is crazy right now. Daima and sparking. Insane
@dtylor3680
Күн бұрын
I always thought Frieza was more Gokus rival. He actually surpassed Goku in strength multiple times
@GottwaldJerry
Күн бұрын
As a Vegeta fan this was a difficult video
@nerdy_boy2785
Күн бұрын
Facts are difficult to swallow.
@Anubis-pm4tm
Күн бұрын
This is why I've dropped dragonball its just the Goku show no one is allowed to get the win except Goku my favorite character was Vegeta but after he lost to Moro when it seemed like Vegeta would finally win for once I dropped the series right then and there im not interested in watching Vegeta get his ass beat just so it can make Goku look good and it makes the show less exciting when you know that Goku will get the win somewhere at the end like he has every single time before! Dragonball is trash
@jrodtdk4544
18 сағат бұрын
This video was ass
@immortal5812
14 сағат бұрын
@@nerdy_boy2785His analysis of the Saiyan Arc is dead wrong, isn’t fact based at all. Vegeta was still utterly superior to Goku in that fight, he would have lost in a big way had several other things not happened in his favor, namely his friends intervening.
@speedupslowdown358
8 сағат бұрын
@@immortal5812He was saying that goku was stronger than vegeta and showed the manga panel of him using kaioken, after goku used kaioken x3 he definitely was stronger than vegeta. Obviously base goku in the saiyan saga wasn’t as good as vegeta
@dbza4107
2 күн бұрын
They weren’t rivals in z at all unironically, in super they are genuine rivals, pre vid
@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit
2 күн бұрын
Goku is always one step ahead
@SpammytheHedgehog
2 күн бұрын
Vegeta replaced Piccolo in being Goku's 2nd fiddle.
@mamadoubarrie6607
2 күн бұрын
yea Piccolo replaced Tien and Tien replaced Krillin in being Goku's 2nd fiddle
@JonaD757
Күн бұрын
@@mamadoubarrie6607 Before them it was Yamcha. Even in Super, Hit, Jiren, Broly, Frieza, etc. Uub in the future. Goku cycles through temp rivals like candy. He ain't loyal.
@wijinsama
2 күн бұрын
Six casually done disrespected Vegeta and his whole fan base..........and Im here for it!
@SaucyboyShaun
2 күн бұрын
Best analysis I seen in a while
@Naruku2121
Күн бұрын
Ngl in Z it really is a one-sided rivalry, Vegeta has Goku living rent free in his head after their first match, so much that he in essence sells his soul to bait out a rematch. And Goku has never defeated Vegeta in any on-screen capacity. Goku has his moments of out pacing and pioneering new power and forms most of the time, but even Vegeta has his moments at times.
@shinneneguns4815
Күн бұрын
I didn't expect to agree but goddammit Six, you're making too much sense. Again!
@JakeSmith-mq5dc
Күн бұрын
I always did think that Piccolo was more of Goku's rival, you know, before being eclipsed in strength. But Goku and Piccolo were just as heavily invested in the rivalry. In fact, Goku had a stronger rivalry with Tien after his lost in the 22nd Budokai. Not trying to downplay the share symbolic nature of Goku and Vegeta dynamic, but rivals kind of rang hallow. At least in Z.
@angelrosas3724
2 күн бұрын
Vegeta always won every encounter they had with each other though lol
@bobowon5450
Күн бұрын
that's not what your mom said last night
@CloverKyng
Күн бұрын
Bro missed the point
@indigo4740
2 күн бұрын
Big reasons as to why Goku has a one up on Vegeta throughout Z was because of the senzu beans while training to Namek and Otherworld making the burden off ssj less on Goku body, that made him able to push ssj beyond its limits and go to ssj3. If it weren't for these reasons they might have been more relative to each other
@yungrav_y
2 күн бұрын
I definitely agree with that plus the training in yardrat that Goku had gave him a big advantage over Vegeta as we seen how far it pushed him in super in the Moro arc
@childishe60
2 күн бұрын
Like to add that Goku fought way more stronger opponents than Vegeta since he was a child. He ended up gaining knowledge and different methods of training. I also noticed Vegeta tends to over do it when training while Goku properly rest his body before training more.
@Jasecapo
2 күн бұрын
I never understood why people use these examples to say that Goku had advantages over Vegeta and was never actually just better then him when in the cell arc before either go into the hyperbolic time chamber Goku and Vegeta are around the same strength(you could even argue Vegeta was a little stronger) yet Goku still comes out stronger. So we have an example of Goku and Vegeta going through the exact same training for a similar amount of time(and keep in mind Vegeta had a stronger sparring partner for a bit as Trunks was stronger then Gohan going in but Gohan surpassed him later)yet Goku comes out superior, so this notion that Goku and Vegeta would be equals if it wasn’t for external factors that aided Goku I don’t agree with because we’ve seen Goku still be stronger then Vegeta after they do the exact same training.
@TheGhost0312
Күн бұрын
@@childishe60 Exactly, Goku had to constantly fight people stronger, faster, better at combat than him or a combination of these since he was a child. He's used to be the underdog and think outside the box to win, or even train to grow stronger. While Vegeta although he knew people stronger than him, he almost never or never fought someone stronger than him until goku on earth.
@FantomPhoenix
Күн бұрын
@@Jasecapo Here's my view on the matter. People often claim that Goku is more "naturally talented" then Vegeta is. Even the games for some reason try to pass this idea off from time to time (Kakarot tried to pass this idea off in DLC 1 but in the EOZ DLC they actually solidified Goku and Vegeta's rivalry nicely). But, Goku has had every external advantage over Vegeta in a way. He was *raised* by martial arts experts his entire early life, learning very important lessons from Master Roshi early on. From Popo and Kami, and he had rivals *not on Vegeta's level of obsession of course* to help push him further and further. Vegeta, on the other hand, was born far stronger then Goku, and more then likely would have remained far stronger had Raditz never forced Goku into the otherworld and introduced threats of ridiculous levels of strength to the Earth. Forcing the Z fighters to adapt faster then they ever had before. After Goku beat Raditz, he got training from King Kai. So at this point, Goku has had training from like, 4 godly beings and an Immortal martial arts master. What did Vegeta have? Nappa...that was it. The Frieza Force hardly saw themselves as martial arts masters, they were brutal pirates that believed small power level jumps (like 18k to 24k) were insane leaps of power. Vegeta growing up never had any rivals like Goku did, his biggest obstacle was Frieza, Zarbon and Dodoria, and for most of his life they were stagnant walls of insurmountable power. Meanwhile Raditz and Nappa were too weak and submissive to offer him any challenge. No one trained him properly, and yet he still turned out as strong and as gifted as he did. So Goku has the knowledge, the training, the mindset, and the experience of a martial arts expert on his side when it comes to training. Vegeta, all he knows about training is "push a saiyans body to near death then heal". He trained in a far less healthy way then Goku rid because Goku was taught by humans and God's *how* to train, while Vegeta always did it on his own. In DB Super, they're pretty much on par aside from their top forms now. With Vegeta even being able to beat out Goku one-on-one when in the same form. Vegeta being trained by Whis caused him to grow leaps and bounds, he didn't even have to do the ssj God ritual to achieve God ki. They also train *together*, that's not something they ever did in Z.
@perturbedbatman2009
Күн бұрын
Vegeta competing with Goku is like if you’re riding a bike and you see a car and decide “if I reach that tree before the car does, I win.” Only one of you is even aware you’re competing and the car is superior to a bike.
@SpammytheHedgehog
2 күн бұрын
Fun fact: Akira Toriyama wanted to kill Vegeta off in the Namek Saga, but the fans wanted him back.
@childishe60
2 күн бұрын
I read somewhere that Toriyama didn’t care for Vegeta at first and favored Piccolo over him. Wonder how the series would have went during the Cell and Majin saga without Vegeta.
@MAD-kn3rb
2 күн бұрын
@@childishe60it would’ve just been Majin piccolo and a rematch in one of the games they actually to actually go through a timeline like that
@azimuddin1890
Күн бұрын
Gokou was unintentionally being a savage at the beginning towards Vegeta. He knows, and didn’t brag, which might be worse, it’s just truth he’s saying.
@yamucha
Күн бұрын
In martial arts (not that MMA bs lol) we're taught to not chase a person that beats u in a fight but to improve yourself as once u arrive to the side of the fence of the guy you're chasing he's already gone and further up ahead. DBZ showcased this well.
@Chriso22
Күн бұрын
There you glad soms people get it
@7reasons617
Күн бұрын
MMA being bs is crazy 💀
@elpollo7079
Күн бұрын
mma bs?😂😂 so you’re a dancer not a fighter
@7reasons617
Күн бұрын
@@elpollo7079 Mf prolly mastered the “leaping badger style” or sum shit 😭🤷🏾♂️
@stephanos6128
Күн бұрын
to defend MMA real quick im sure that mindset is very much there for some competent MMA practicers but it feels like majority of them are meatheads
@ramblincapuchin9075
Күн бұрын
I'd argue that to this day, the fight for the edge was always about the idiosyncrasies in their code. Vegeta embarked upon the path to destruction and as we see it's an exceptionally difficult state to maintain. Essentially the will to be evil, rely on your own ideology alone, and bear no glaring low points. Incredibly difficult. You're shutting off any and all lifelines to end as a byword Meanwhile Goku's approach to serenity affords him certain privileges which contribute to chief unlocks. This is the principal behind communion. In the upheaval of community life, people offer up gifts to enable the would be champion towards progress out of respect for his cause. This was Roshi's handoff to Tien and it paid off a number of times In the matrix, the keymaker opens doors that only he has access to in order to assist in the severity of Neo's cause. Even at the risk of his own life These unlocks are the "oh I have just the thing" which marks a celebration of cause. This is Roshi knowing just the right words to motivate Goku up the mountain or Kame understanding elements about the void which links our world and the beyond. A literal LIFETIME to committing himself to the balance to be allowed to vouch to the very bureaucratic Yemma that Goku deserves to have a body in the afterlife This sponsorship element is crucial to Goku's growth and ability to materialize will for a grander cause. So much so that Vegeta pounced on the opportunity to train under the condition of becoming the next god of destruction. There was nothing dubious to Whis conditions either as he is bound to uphold universal laws Whis knows that the supreme Kai is a vulnerable agent and would ensure that Beerus gets replaced without a fraction of a delay. He understands the pressures of darkness leading to the eventuality of Majin and the like. A god of destruction keeps those motives in check. Beerus being the lazy figure that he is, represents the lackadaisical merits of his universe and its inhabitants. Crazy powerful when pushed whimsical when trials are absent. A lot like Gohan Since Vegeta has an insatiable appetite for conquest and struggles with righteousness, he is the perfect candidate for destruction. He has to abide by certain laws to maintain his power, but is willing to dabble in order if it means personal growth. Being motivated by Goku as that thorn in his side is a plus that Whis shamelessly exploits as he's well aware of Goku's affinity for coloring within the lines and achieving those unlocks. This will invariably spurn Vegeta into dutiful commitment to form where Whis can teach him the boundaries of destructive merit Remember, the chessboard has both black and white tiles. Good and evil and both on the playing field of chaos and order
@ADL21
Күн бұрын
They only become rivals when Vegeta begins to properly train with a teacher in Whis. He even gets the base on base victory vs Goku in Dragon Ball Super Hero Fulfilling his desire to defeat Goku.
@santi_super_stunts2573
6 сағат бұрын
Which is cap cause no one in any actual fight ever stays in base
@davidconnell4653
5 сағат бұрын
@@santi_super_stunts2573at that point he also had ultra ego though which is probably stronger than mui
@ADL21
5 сағат бұрын
@@santi_super_stunts2573 which is why Whis made them stay in base because transformations only multiply your base power anyway so why bother fighting at x2000 buff when you can just take the x2000 out.
@capdone6110
2 күн бұрын
The content we’ve been getting from you has been fire
@Trap_senpai_
2 күн бұрын
This is so true. We've been conditioned to think that they were always rivals but Goku was always ahead with Vegeta competing to surpass him instead lol.
@laisphinto6372
Күн бұрын
He wasnt what Kind of mental gymnastics do you have to BE ON to think that Goku won the First Fight Goku lost massively He was clearly outmatched IT took the whole z Gang jumping him for Goku and Friends to win
@Trap_senpai_
Күн бұрын
@@laisphinto6372 well they wearnt rivals at the time.
@316thaking
Күн бұрын
@@Trap_senpai_that was the beginning of their rivalry what are you talking about
@Trap_senpai_
Күн бұрын
@@316thaking and moving on so on and so forth Goku was always ahead of Vegeta. You're arguing and attempting to make a point for nothing RN bruh lol
@Zeno1781
Күн бұрын
@@Trap_senpai_ Goku was always ahead of vegeta? Vegeta was stronger than goku from the saiyan saga all the way to the middle of the namek saga. He got surpassed but surpassed Goku again when he fights frieza. Goku would then be stronger until the android saga where vegeta would be stronger than him until the cell saga. Goku would be stronger until the RoF arc where vegeta would be stronger than him until the late Goku black arc. Goku didn’t surpass vegeta in the universe 6 tournament because although he could use blue kaioken, it would also kill him. This rivalry of them surpassing each would continue
@AshRaf-to5gu
Күн бұрын
I have a new found appreciation for how Akira Toriyama wrote Vegeta and Goku as lessons in what not to do and what to do. Vegeta saw everyone as less than him Goku didn't. Vegeta becomes arrogant as soon as you give him a little power Goku doesn't. Vegeta trains alone which limited his growth, while Goku trained with others and would invite others to train with him. Goku leared from teachers who were eventually all weaker than him and still he kept learening from them never disrespecting them and but Vegita was too stuborn to learn from anyone. In the time chamber, Vegita ignored his son which not only hindered his own growth but his sons who was a hybrid like gohan with more potential than a full saiyan and made his son afraid of hurting his father fragile ego. Toriyama made that crystal clear with Goku and Gohan. Goku didn't ignore Gohan, he treated him like an equal training partner and always saw his son as someone who could surpass him. They grew so much together that the gap between Vegita and Goku would never be closed ever again.
@MegaMachiOnline
2 күн бұрын
“Damn you, Kakarot. Always one step ahead…” Yeah, damn near literally & figuratively.
@futuretrunksss6625
Күн бұрын
One of the things that really annoyed me about Super was Vegeta still chasing after Goku after the Buu arc where he admitted Goku was better because of his mindset.Goku always pushed for self improvement in very healthy ways where if he lost a fight he would ask for help and never minded getting training from others even if they were considered weaker then him(like staying behind on yardrat to learn instant transmission),while Vegeta would always get angry and go brood in the rain They had such a great moment when Vegeta finally asked someone else to train him with Wis but they turned the whole moment into a big joke which kinda is the overall feeling I get from Super
@sung7441
2 күн бұрын
We need more db vids 🙏
@hiddenmarco
Күн бұрын
This might be my favorite video from u.
@hybridsaiyan22
Күн бұрын
I mean I would say they’re definitely rivals. It may not be in the sense where they’re both always equal in power but they’re always competing with each other to be the strongest possible. I mean that’s the definition of a rival
@sixfromtokyo
Күн бұрын
No they aren't they aren't always competing to be the strongest possible. Goku wants to be stronger not the strongest he trains Gohan to be stronger than him and trains Goten & Trunks to create someone stronger than him. That IS NOT true.
@hybridsaiyan22
Күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo goku trained for namek because of his loss to vegeta. Vegeta was his reference point the entire way there or at least for most of it. Goku training gohan and the kids to be stronger has nothing to do with how he sees vegeta. He doesn’t obsess over it like vegeta does but that doesn’t mean he never saw him as a rival. When he found out he was up against vegeta in the tournament in buu he was excited because he knew he’d be the best fight he could get out of everyone there
@Binks129
Күн бұрын
Goku isn’t Vegeta’s rival. He humbled him and is his motivation to be better.
@socialaccount0000
2 күн бұрын
The reason Goku and Vegeta are rivals in Super and not Z is because Vegeta in Super fights Kakarot to better himself, to surpass his previous limits. Goku is perfectly okay with this and welcomes the challenge. Vegeta in Z just wanted to beat Kakarot to heal his wounded ego, which is why Goku never gave Vegeta the time of day until he was forced to, because he knew kicking Vegeta's ass a second time would only exacerbate the issue.
@UFunnyLowe
Күн бұрын
To be fair there was never a time for a rematch since they were constantly training for a new threat hell Vegeta saved goku from 19 just so he could have his chance to fight him.
@___________0Z0X
Күн бұрын
Your Dragon Ball analysis always slaps.
@SpammytheHedgehog
2 күн бұрын
I'd rather be Goku than Vegeta any day.
@ollyjhb3872
2 күн бұрын
@@SpammytheHedgehog too bad no one wants to be you irl 🤣
@drich008
2 күн бұрын
I’d rather be married to the richest woman on the planet then living in the middle of nowhere with no income 😭
@TruDragonz
2 күн бұрын
@@drich008 This. Outside of Ls taken Vegeta has a waaay better life
@ollyjhb3872
2 күн бұрын
@@TruDragonz vegeta is technically 3-0 vs Goku 2-0 if you only want to count Z 🤷
@TruDragonz
2 күн бұрын
@ollyjhb3872 yea I mean Ls against everyone else lol
@BingleDingleBiggleBorf
Күн бұрын
Toriyama the king of writing one sided rivalries in favor of the rival who always loses their fights 🔥
@SpammytheHedgehog
2 күн бұрын
Imagine if Vegeta was sent to Earth and raised by Grandpa Gohan instead of Goku/Kakarot.
@stubbyducker6495
2 күн бұрын
Dragon ball Sai is a fan manga that explores that idea
@CloverKyng
Күн бұрын
He would conquer the planet
@alatusedits
Күн бұрын
It's the classic Messi vs Ronaldo situation
@thembk19
2 күн бұрын
1v1 Vegeta ain't never lost to Goku though
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
He woula lost the second one if Goku didn't have the one day restriction and could go all out
@thembk19
2 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo Ifs and buts were like candy and nuts, we would all have a Merry Christmas 🤷🏾♂️
@stubbyducker6495
2 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyoI don't know about that, the ssj3 takes alot out of Goku and Vegeta is quite the tactician, he always disses the form for being less than useful it'd be a matter of if Goku could finish the fight before running out of ki
@SlugSage
Күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo head canon
@316thaking
Күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyowoulda coulda shoulda. The fact remains even discounting that fight goku has canonical never beaten Vegeta in 1v1.
@rehmanmir7865
23 сағат бұрын
I think that it’s fitting for them to actually become narrative rivals in super because it reflects how Vegeta’s philosophy about fighting and strength have changed
@ryanbenedict2754
2 күн бұрын
This why Goatku clears Bumgeta
@gabrieldean4111
2 күн бұрын
Goku is a fuckin loser, Wegeta all day everyday
@FantomPhoenix
Күн бұрын
I agree that the rivalry was pretty one-sided, but I also don't agree that Goku didn't see Vegeta as a rival *at all* , it's just he was way less obsessed about it and there was always a huge external threat to face. I will say that Goku has often seemed to at least want to get along with Vegeta to a degree, but it never really happened until the Buu saga.
@darktigersharkmax4432
2 күн бұрын
What's with the glaze in the comments? See a bunch of hating already. I always liked this detail from Z, Goku always moved forward trying to better himself and protect the earth while he had interest in Vegeta once he surpassed him on Namek he never considered Vegeta a true rival. This might be a hot take but I like them being actual rivals in Super because it shows how far Vegeta has come from his Z version that was self destructive with his methods of training and willing to be given power just to maybe catch up with Goku. Now Vegeta has a family he wants to protect and gets stronger not just for himself or to keep up with Goku and is actively trying to make up for the mistakes of the past like in the Moro and Granolah arc. Now he's consistently equal to Goku and even beat him in a fair 1v1 in the Super Hero arc although it was close.
@MILDMONSTER1234
2 күн бұрын
The hate is cause Vegeta fans have short man syndrome lol
@pumpko9439
Күн бұрын
8:37 i often wondered if Goku being able to sense the fight between Vegeta and Freeza was a factor in how strong he's gotten at that time. I can understand the idea that the way Goku trained played a role in his zenkai boost but it would be cool if him sensing that fight helped his boost grow higher as the power levels increased.
@Mr.Lubbox-Lobsterlegz1
Күн бұрын
This is a bad take bro, Goku vs Vegeta is the OG rivalry to all these other rivalries. They’ve been beefing for decade and even the newest episode of Daima recycled the sparing match from the beginning of the Super Broly movie. They can’t stop pitting these two against each other, just because you can’t recognize it doesn’t mean everyone else does lol 😂 Goku and Vegeta not rivals? That’s rich😂😂
@erasedxbl8281
Күн бұрын
We misconstruing the definition of rival with this one 🔥
@nickalas666
2 күн бұрын
vegeta fans are going insane in the comments🤣🤣🤣
@CloverKyng
Күн бұрын
Fr what’s up with them. Why are you denying the good writing Vegeta has.
@kekshrekmcgee5104
22 сағат бұрын
Awesome video man, I love how you usdd the manga for reference. The closest thing Goku had to a 5rue rival was Piccolo. Demon King Piccolo is responsible for the deaths of everyone he held dear, and he trained so hard and grew into a man to face off against Picxolo Jr in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, but it's never one sided. They're both willing to put aside their rivaltry to face Raditz, and by the tome Piccolo reforms he becomes like the brother Goku never had. I love their dynamic and they're super underrated compared to Golu and Vegeta
@AXIOMISFODDERANDWEAKASF
2 күн бұрын
Vegeta was above goku In the run of z sometimes
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
Oh really? It's almost like I said that in the video.
@tomlewis3362
Күн бұрын
Goku always had the advantage especially after he died and got to fight/train basically 24/7 under king Kai due to being dead and having access to a "better body" while Vegeta still was limited on earth
@sarexui634
2 күн бұрын
20 seconds ago and no views bro fell off
@ejayemike6541
Күн бұрын
Goku only really start getting ahead once the Cell Games happened and it's not really fair to mention his time in otherworld because he had the advantage of training with a non mortal body and not worrying about the physical strain of a living body so of course he would get stronger more easily by that point compared to Vegeta who was still alive on earth.
@GrayShrine
2 күн бұрын
Vegeta the typa dude to never give you a rematch after beating you once
@Jeremyhughes86
4 сағат бұрын
Goku: yea, I wasn't really suggesting. Steven He: EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!!
@wwalton
2 күн бұрын
I really don't get what Vegeta was so mad about, Goku has literally never beaten him he's won twice technically
@peacefuldestroyer2135
2 күн бұрын
In the first fight, he was spared by Krillin because Goku told him to spare him and in the second fight, Goku could’ve ended it immediately. If I was vegeta , I’d be pretty mad.
@wwalton
Күн бұрын
@@peacefuldestroyer2135 so he got jumped and Goku didn't use the useless form... I still don't get it especially when all you have to do against ssj3 is just stall while he drains his energy
@peacefuldestroyer2135
Күн бұрын
@@wwalton how fast do you think ssj3 drains energy lmao it’s stated to be fast but goku is never shown to be forced out of it
@wwalton
Күн бұрын
@@peacefuldestroyer2135 he was literally forced to power down in the fight with Kid Buu and yeah it's fast but it's not like characters with drastically different levels of strength haven't clashed before ie literally the very first fight with Vegeta and pretty much every fight in the show for the most part but unlike those characters ssj3 has massive power drain
@aleysibbs2461
Күн бұрын
thing is goku had help, or techniques to use. That not a win to Vegeta, a win is going all out and putting your life on the line. That definition for vegeta winning, he probably don't mean to kill Goku anymore but he try to fight him at his best. That why Vegeta always do stuff to annoy Goku at times.
@Corncake1337
Күн бұрын
fire video, you gotta get on making DBZ videos
@ZenthForm
Сағат бұрын
Great video bud
@lm4733
2 күн бұрын
Bro dying for the views lol
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
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@fangzgaming5510
Күн бұрын
11:38 You had Goku hooked when you said "4 grades of steak" 😂
@SilentAgression1Tillion
2 күн бұрын
We talking Bullshit with this one!!!!🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
Chill bro 😭 just listen to what I had to say.
@SilentAgression1Tillion
2 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo yh I'm just trolling but off the title alone, I was expecting to hear alotta capanese
@jordanglasper1064
Күн бұрын
Well said. Goku’s allowed the rivalry to continue, because Goku wanted to maintain some sort of kinship to Vegeta based on their saying lineage. And secretly wanted Vegeta to become a better person. That’s why you have Goku say one-liners in the anime such as so-and-so to our rivalry.
@AzathothJunior
2 күн бұрын
Goku is in the video it’s automatically a 10/10
@Vince_lac
Күн бұрын
Hey six now that jjk is over is there anyway you would be able to make a top ten or top five strongest characters in the verse? I feel like no one gives a consistent answer on the top ten.
@newhybrid101
2 күн бұрын
"Oh its debunk time"-Me right now 1)Vegeta arrives with a power level of 18,000 after not training a single day. Goku is at a little over 8,000 after training his whole life,King Kais training is stated in the manga to have been equal to hundreds of years of training on earth compared to what Goku was doing up to that point Goku needs to use Kaiokenx3 to briefly unnaturally boost his power beyond its natural limits(cheat) Vegeta is still not down but Goku is out of energy and says he wont be able to fight Vegeta is he comes down. Vegeta only goed Oozaru cause he cant sense energy and doesnt know Goku cant use Kaioken 3-4 anymore. -In the Mecha Frieza mini arc,Vegeta says if he gets Super Saiyan then he will be the strongest. Implying his base form is atleast as strong as Gokus and Trunks at this point. Goku only achieves Super Saiyan only due to losing someone his friend. Vegeta isnt emotionally at a level to achieve this yet. Goku gets a Super Zenkai boost for some reason 2)In the Android Saga Piccolo says Vegeta has propably surpassed Goku. AFTER recovering from the virus,Goku says "If Vegeta couldnt beat the Androids then i DONT STAND A CHANCE",basically admitting Vegetas superiority. 3)While Goku DOES get a FAR bigger boost from training in the chamber that is only because Vegeta refused to trained with Trunks and was only throwing punched at the air. Training with another saiyan is a MASSIVELY exponential boost. 5)Goku trained in another realm for 7 years against thr universes greatest deceased fighters while having the benefits of a dead body. Vegeta was just throwing punches at the air for 7 years in Gravity Chamber that shouldnt be much trouble for them at this point Despite that the gap isnt all that great The Majin Boost is stated to be a potential and hidden strength unlock. Considering Goku went through far better circumstances due to being in the Otherworld its fair to atleast give Vegeta the Majin Boost. SSJ3 was only achieved due to Goku having a dead body. 6)Vegeta surpasses SSJ3 in SSJ2 just by getting enraged. Which we havent ever seen. The God Ritual OBVIOUSLY doesnt count. 7) Without a ritual and after only 6 months of training with Whis Vegeta surpasses Goku in power,even lifting TWICE the weight and gettting it up a little faster. 8)They are basically equal in RoF,Goku being only mentally a step ahead. 9)They are equal in U6 arc,possibly a slight edge to Vegeta while in the same form. He even had the edge in the ROSAT where he was sitting normally while Goky was flat on his back. Goku uses Kaioken with Blue but thats simply a technique he was taught,Vegeta was simply not taught Kaioken. He just has had a lot more masters and training. 10)Vegeta creates Blue Evolution just by powering up. Not being taught that form by anyone -By training on Yardrat,Vegetas Blue Evolution somehow becomes stronger than Controlled UI Sign. 11)Despite being at its earliest stages Ultra Ego is already comparable to some of the highest levels of UI that Goky has shown,only being weaker than his absolute strongest form. In fact Gas was terrified at the end before Ego ran out and Vegeta seemed slightly stronger against Zombie Gas after they are healed Logically his Ego at this point should be weaker than even Sign,especially since Angels are>>>>Destroyers. But its clearly not that weak. 12)Vegeta beats Goku is Superhero Sorry what wete you saying?
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
What's the debunk here? I said this in the video. Did you watch or just comment?
@superxcrazy1989
2 күн бұрын
@@newhybrid101 Ok so of the entire run time these are the only moments you can think of? Goku being superior to Vegeta for basically all of DBZ is the source of all of Vegetas frustration, Goku was so much more powerful Vegeta thought that no matter how hard he worked he’d never surpass him.
@drich008
2 күн бұрын
@@superxcrazy1989there’s nothing you can do to surpass that level of MC meatride tbh 😂
@whateveriwant6985
2 күн бұрын
Bro what're you yapping about
@opimpers
2 күн бұрын
@@whateveriwant6985 can you read?
@abhinandannandan3863
Күн бұрын
Amazing video as always
@SometEre
2 күн бұрын
When Naruto fans try to analyze other series 🤦
@Prodigy_717
2 күн бұрын
It's the truth tho it's never been a competition it was always one sided
@ollyjhb3872
2 күн бұрын
@@Prodigy_717 I could say the same for the majority of Naruto vs Sasuke what rivalry is 100% equal and competitive? Nonsense 🤦
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
@@ollyjhb3872 Yea you COULD but who cares? this video isn't about them and Naruto & Sasuke constantly drive EACH OTHER through the whole series it's just one sided towards the beginning of shippuden.
@nickalas666
2 күн бұрын
u vegeta fans are insane
@duplexpanda5038
2 күн бұрын
He didn't lie though. Get out of your feelings.
@acejumper1681
2 күн бұрын
I love how they actually are real rivals in super.
@pamajam4038
2 күн бұрын
Ayyy i was waiting for this video. Speak yo shit 😤
@zonnodon163
2 күн бұрын
In some ways that's exactly true. Despite the personal wins, Vegeta never matched Goku's training results.
@destroyart7742
Күн бұрын
great video as always
@BboyEasySteps
Күн бұрын
Yes, they were and yes, they are Rivals.🤷🏻♀ - First and foremost, one does not have to be a complete equal to the other in order to be considered a rival. That's just untrue. It's how the dynamic between the two and the perception they have of each other that makes them rivals. And in this case Goku and Vegeta are ABSOLUTELY rivals. You can honestly just search up the exact definition of it and it fits them to a T. - Goku has always been a step ahead for most of Dragon Ball as a whole, but he absolutely respects Vegeta as his fellow competitor. The end of Z, GT, and Super (for now regarding where the anime stopped), Goku is at the top because he's the MC, but it doesn't make Vegeta not his rival.
@jewelsunniheartsfitnessanime
Күн бұрын
During the the android saga training before 19 and 20 came it was missed opportunities to have vegeta and goku spar to see who’s the stronger warrior in super Saiyan which was plenty of time for vegeta to battle goku way before the androids came In Z I couldn’t see them as rivals
@Matt-yj1lz
21 сағат бұрын
No they were and are rivals.. tbh alot of the things you say in the video prove you wrong 😂
@explosivegrape
Күн бұрын
Goku’s only true rival is himself.
@nativeprince362
Күн бұрын
Vegeta still beat Goku in their fights in DBZ don’t lie buddy
@_WiZ420
2 күн бұрын
7:54 in particular, vegeta's power at the time is higher than goku's base power level amplified by kaioken x2. 250,000 might be too low, but I was realizing that Vegeta's martial arts skill is already great deal above Freeza by this point, and that miiight add up that he was managing to keep up while less than half Freeza's full strength if Freeza is holding back. At max, Vegeta's power level is 400,000, as there is some degree of Freeza not giving it his all, but is likely 350,000 for those who want to theorize deeper. This is also just about the threshold to deal with Kaioken x4 Goku before his own incoming zenkai overshadows all of Vegeta's.
@stanbrule9357
Сағат бұрын
The whole reason Goku let Vegeta live after the end of the Saiyan invasion arc was he thought Vegeta would be a worthy rival, he was almost right
@ObinnaIfeanacho-s7v
2 күн бұрын
Bro is causing chaos 😂
@bihn
Күн бұрын
Did you get inspiration from MistareFusion's latest video by any chance?
@CorbinWhite-cs4wp
2 күн бұрын
Thought I agree with everything you said, I would still say that Goku and Vegeta are rivals because one is always trying to one up the other and prove there better and in super that’s just amplified.
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
It doesn't matter what you would say it's not true. They aren't trying to one up one another. Goku is trying to improve himself and get stronger Vegeta is trying to be better than Goku. Goku says one time that he will surpass Vegeta (to Krillin) after that he never cares.
@CorbinWhite-cs4wp
2 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo okay my bad, misinterpreted it.
@stubbyducker6495
2 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyoit's kinda like in Naruto where Sasuke isn't even thinking about Naruto till the fight on the rooftop, yeh they both talk trash but Sasuke is way stronger and more skilled from the start till then
@afro025
2 күн бұрын
@@stubbyducker6495 nah, sasuke was thinking about naruto long before then. whether it be the training during the land of waves, or sasuke proclaiming to naruto that he's one of the people he hopes to fight in the chunin exams. sasuke not only pushed naruto to get stronger, but naruto also pushed sasuke to get stronger
@stubbyducker6495
2 күн бұрын
@@afro025 wow like how Vegeta and Goku push each other to get stronger? Even if it's for different motives
@kordariusbryant7544
Күн бұрын
More OG DBZ videos please Sixx
@insupportofjunhado
23 сағат бұрын
"Vegeta's the only one competing in this race, Goku just also happens to be running." It's an unpopular opinion of mine, but I've always felt it would have been more interesting for Vegeta to have dropped back after the Buu saga, the way Piccolo, Tien, Krillen and Yamcha all dropped back, and if someone new filled in as "rival" now that Vegeta's all consuming obsession was finally gone. GT actually did drop Vegeta for a little while, that was nice, but they didn't give Goku another rival in his place until it was just decided to bump up Vegeta again.
@Roshuwah
Күн бұрын
It's funny, i reread the manga this year and came to the exact same conclusion! It really isn't until super where for the sake of plot/story telling they're made more into equals
@otherguyjo1684
22 сағат бұрын
Rivals can be those who are equal or within the same ballpark seeking to surpass one another. However, Toriyama is notorious for shafting Vegeta for absolutely no reason.
@ronkgaming9159
23 сағат бұрын
Finally a youtuber that can read.
@Ali-sh5sx
2 күн бұрын
Seeing the title This is gonna be a fun comment section
@celldh0825
2 күн бұрын
7:42 I'd argue this is more Vegeta having to draw upon a smaller Ki pool (To fuel a power of, say 500,000) in comparison to Freiza getting to draw upon an even greater pool (To Fuel a Power of 60,000,000 at least)
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
That's not how power levels work in DB your amount of Ki IS your power level there is no Ki pool like Chakra.
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