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@garouthedemon7401
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah
@Damage_edits
Жыл бұрын
W
@Prantikde
Жыл бұрын
Can you do Naruto vs Natsu?
@HoodedSpidey
Жыл бұрын
Could Batman learn Naruto’s ninjutsu?
@HoodedSpidey
Жыл бұрын
Could Batman take down Wanda Maximoff? Bonus points if you mention her blatant weakness to stealth attacks ala Cap. Carter.
@Magic8ball976
Жыл бұрын
Seth getting as many videos as he can in before he goes into hibernation again
@D_Owo
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@frostyforeskin4431
Жыл бұрын
Yeah 4 month hiatus incoming for sure
@Dylan_Norris
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, bro is snatching that increased December Revenue lol
@princecheck11
Жыл бұрын
he trynna get a million subscribers before 2023 😂😂😂
@dw3134
Жыл бұрын
He was probably making these videos while he was on hiatus and is releasing them now. If i had to guess, he's probably making more while pumping out videos he's already made.
@stefanrosu248
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how some people would think Saitama, a man with no formal martial arts training, would beat a guy who dedicated his entire life to it through skill alone
@fisal8942
Жыл бұрын
Saitama has shown to copy techniques in the last few chapters.
@anubis4032
Жыл бұрын
Saitama shouldn't even be here he isnt a martial artist he did one tournament now he's somehow a martial artist 😂
@rabbunn
Жыл бұрын
@@fisal8942 he may copy them but does that mean he just has it mastered tho
@leafzwrld9127
Жыл бұрын
@@fisal8942 he can't copy techniques anymore since he went back in time and forgot all about it
@Amine-om7yj
Жыл бұрын
@@rabbunn when you copy a technique you can use it
@denvergray8943
Жыл бұрын
...straight up, I actually did learn a little bit about Goku and did gain a little respect for his hands, so well done. I would love to see someone animate Adam West's Batman beating Goku though, it'd be hilarious nonsense.
@ascendedreality8546
Жыл бұрын
I love Adam Wests batman, that would be great.
@dizzyheads
Жыл бұрын
Goku used to be mostly about martial arts but now's its mostly about forms are bigger sticks
@Kerwell
Жыл бұрын
@@dizzyheadstrue and I totally get why some people would dislike it for that reason, but I just like seeing my guy stomp baddies
@JKurayami
Жыл бұрын
@@Kerwell I'd be ok with it if they didn't regress the character in Super in order to do it. Having him not know what meditation is, and having the empty mind which is taught by pretty much all basic eastern martial arts. I can't stand it.
@syntinel9481
Жыл бұрын
@@JKurayami The mediation part is a stretch, I agree. They really wrote Goku to not know the roots of martial arts, lol. However, true mental emptiness in actuality is incredibly hard to achieve. It's easy to simulate some degree of it, but to completely leave out every single thought besides you, your opponent, and the battle you're in together is probably not even humanly possible (to the credit of Super).
@Formula_Zero_EX
Жыл бұрын
“Batman has learned martial arts, and so does Goku, but Batman has learned *more* martial arts, so I think he’d probably beat Goku.” - Death Battle, probably
@DripNingen
Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't goku learn martial arts that are not even from this world ??? And literally created his own style as a kid ?!!?!??
@some_shitposting_idiot3023
Жыл бұрын
@@DripNingen wasn't his own style only possible due to his tail? Which he doesn't have anymore
@cooldude2794
Жыл бұрын
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 Fr his tail? you mean the thing that has been gone for over 30 years? I didnt see goku rely on his tail in the cell games is all ima say lol.
@DripNingen
Жыл бұрын
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 wdym his tail ?? His tail doesn't makes him a martial artist lmao
@some_shitposting_idiot3023
Жыл бұрын
@@cooldude2794 did you read the comment? He said as a kid ya know when he had his tail? Are you brain-dead?
@carrot708
Жыл бұрын
Goku could keep up with and adapt to martial Arts masters when he was a kid. That was before Korin's training where he could predict how his opponents are going to move by reading their breathing. Or Popo's training where he learned how to make his movements so effecient he can put on a bell and then do a flip without ringing it. Or how by the time we get to the Android saga he has lowkey telepathy can can search people's feelings. He has a huge bag of tricks that have nothing to do with power levels and that's not even factoring it that he's very experienced. Maybe not to the level of Batman but he's been around
@jacobharris954
Жыл бұрын
He far more experienced than bat man it like comparing a elite world class boxing champion and amateur
@asta.7393
Жыл бұрын
@@jacobharris954 ?????
@jacobharris954
Жыл бұрын
@@asta.7393 Goku is elite level master he is Floyd while batman youtube boxer in comparison. There levels to this.
@asta.7393
Жыл бұрын
@@jacobharris954 Wtf is vro talking about
@jacobharris954
Жыл бұрын
@@asta.7393 Do you study martial artist, if you did you would understand
@N_DAnimationEnthusiast
Жыл бұрын
Cool. I also appreciate how you showed Goku’s martial arts prowess (which is pretty underrated).
@toxiclightning5303
Жыл бұрын
I always gave Goku his props cuz the world tournaments are what got me into the franchise
@voodude8986
Жыл бұрын
“That other scenario wasn’t interesting, this one right here is interesting” -Seth lol
@theoneaboveallothers
Жыл бұрын
Yeah because batman has 80 years of lore & multiple different writers. if they use their prime Canon forms it'll be true MUI Goku vs TBWL or Final armor Batman. Essentially a guy who can possibly punch away a universe, & shake a void for some minutes at best (goku) vs a guy who can rewrite the multiverse into whatever he likes (TBWL or Final armor batman) Not a fair fight, I don't see it being much of a challenge for batman to be honest.
@mrdavisdance
Жыл бұрын
Ultra Instinct is based off of the Japanese term mushin. It's a meditative mental state. Artists, monks and martial artists have all described the act of getting so good at something, you don't think when you do do it. Your body thinks for you. That's mushin.
@ulthanesmorkums
Жыл бұрын
That's the exact same concept as Flow State.
@ArifRWinandar
Жыл бұрын
In other words, motor memories are stored as implicit memory, not declarative memory. Trying to use your conscious brain for motor tasks is basically accessing the wrong database. -SMBC Comics, "Conscious"
@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil
Жыл бұрын
You heard wrong.. It's called Unagi..
@mrdavisdance
Жыл бұрын
@@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil It has a few different names. So no, I'm not wrong. Also, I don't think anyone calls it Unagi. Gtfo weeb
@HeadGodoftheGodCouncil
Жыл бұрын
@@mrdavisdance Have you seen friends?
@EX583
Жыл бұрын
Seth posting almost daily is his Holiday gift to us. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO SETH!
@OkEli
Жыл бұрын
Can Seth beat his new cellmate (martial arts only).
@chaosblitz1352
2 ай бұрын
Nahhhh lmao 🤣
@omitlcoatl8840
Жыл бұрын
i hate that how rare it is to see actual complex technique in comics that feature martial arts so heavily
@dc7981
Жыл бұрын
That’s the difference between manga fights and comic fights, Manga fights have a lot more detail and exposition
@anxiousweeb8753
Жыл бұрын
Read holyland, teppu, kengan ashura. Great mangas with real life martial arts
@omitlcoatl8840
Жыл бұрын
@@anxiousweeb8753 ive read em all, thats why im so upset that it just isnt utilized anywhere but manga
@josephstibbins5278
Жыл бұрын
This needs to be a whole series. Seriously I'm really interested in the next one
@RemiAOB
Жыл бұрын
During Gokus fight with ssj2 Caulifla, caulifla was actually 5 times gokus power level, but even with that he was able to keep up with her while being tired. Edit- she was actually 50x stronger
@christopherbianco9298
Жыл бұрын
I was saying this exact same thing when Goku fought Cell Cell was easily 1.5-2x stronger than Goku was when they battled but Goku was able to keep up with raw power because of how skilled he is as a martial artist.
@Cyborous
Жыл бұрын
2:23 yeah, those people weren’t paying attention to what cell said about his battle instincts. I mean, he blatantly stated it. so the people that say he would just be a kickboxer or whatever, aren’t paying attention close enough.
@davidblanchard3810
Жыл бұрын
You've been killing it lately, Seth! Can't wait to see more
@zzalexander284
Жыл бұрын
Seth vs allegations who would win ?, find out now on Sethball Z
@Eggshd
9 ай бұрын
Depends. How long is prep time? We going with current Seth? Is he at base? Does research work in this universe or we just doing ad hominems?
@CausticSalsa
Жыл бұрын
Really good take. I never knew that much about Goku's technique and skill. Also great pacing in the video. Overall, another Seth W.
@utmostkibbles9125
Жыл бұрын
I can tell you that Saitama would be put in the ground pretty dang fast. Garou even makes a point to comment on how untrained he is, and easy to read the moves of. His pure physically prowess just makes it impossible to fully react to his moves.
@@jvr6809 Seth made a video saying how Goku still beats him, you're just a random jobber, Seth's been doing this for over a decade
@diegaplays
Жыл бұрын
all im going to say is, Goku as a child was not infusing his punches with ki and was still one punching full grown men and as a child could keep up with the best martial artist in the world
@Figgs101
Жыл бұрын
Yeah and then u got kid goku picking up a car over his head when he met bulma…
@karshinp7896
Жыл бұрын
@@Figgs101 Yh it’s his natural strength
@Figgs101
Жыл бұрын
@@karshinp7896 did u watch the video? The video is talking bout if goku was a human and had to depend on his “martial art” only
@karshinp7896
Жыл бұрын
@@Figgs101 I said that it was his natural strength when he picked up the car. I never said he could do that as a human did I?🤦🏾♂️
@Figgs101
Жыл бұрын
@@karshinp7896 That’s what we talking about?!?! Goku is a human in this fight so u saying thats goku natural strength is pointless cause we talking bout as if goku a regular human
@oni8526
Жыл бұрын
Love the number of uploads from seth.
@boogthebear6723
Жыл бұрын
Movie Dumbledore VS Movie Gandalf, AND just for kicks both book versions against each other
@NBAClient
Жыл бұрын
Bro seth you’ve been killing it man
@OK-yy6qz
Жыл бұрын
I'd be down for a full blown tournament of skill at this type. Especially if it gives light to some Underrated characters in terms of skill (usually due to their strength of other abilities)
@HotWheels_OW
Жыл бұрын
I think if we give Goku UI Omen it becomes a really interesting and drawn out match. They both have thrown hands with stronger opponents and put in work with just their raw skill, adaptability and precognition countless times. The problem here is that Batman has no super powers to speak of so he'd be at full power where-as many of the techniques and skills that Goku has mastered over his life-time would not be a tool in his arsenal anymore, much of which has been a focus of his training in recent time since he's fighting galaxy level threats; things that would even give Superman a run for his money. Batman is effectively fighting Karate Kid with Saiyan biology and quirks so he's heavily favored to win. Here's why I say that, Goku would be having the time of his life fighting someone as skilled as Bats and even if he saw an opportunity to bring the fight to an early close since there are no established stakes in this scenario (it's not like Bats is going to blow up the Earth or some nonsense) AND given that he's the type of person who LIVES TO BE PUSHED TO THE LIMIT OF HIS ABILITY he would intentionally draw out the fight as long as possible to get the most out of it. Goku is genuinely the type of guy to get his ass kicked and be back after eating a sensu bean asking for round 2 until he's got you figured out well enough that he can can beat your ass. So in a single bout this would almost certainly go to Batman but much like how he has his sights set on beating Beerus, Goku would eventually get the W on Bats even if it took him losing hundreds or thousands of times in the process.
@lordcypher5889
Жыл бұрын
Speaking of Ares and Karate Kid, the two have actually fought and Ares said he was more skilled than himself, being so skilled he could fight an actual god.
@loganbreau882
Жыл бұрын
I think Goku wouldn’t get UI since it’s an anime power, but instead he should get Mushin which is basically UI without the amps. His evolutionary adaptations would be improved however. Edit: I'm incredibly annoyed because currently around 20 of the 24 replies are saying how Goku in the manga and Anime can use UI MISSING THE POINT THAT THIS VIDEO ISN'T MANGA NOR ANIME GOKU. THIS IS A PEAK HUMAN WITH THE IQ AND SKILL OF GOKU. This peak human wouldn't be strong enough to use UI as Whis specifically stated for Goku to use 100% of UI he needs to transform to get stronger as his body is just too weak. So if a peak human tried to use UI he would explode the instant he activates it. So to be fair I just used to IRL UI which does very similar things, but instead of actually giving physical boosts it just gives mental boosts.
@umarishaque4362
Жыл бұрын
So pretty much base ui goku in manga
@loganbreau882
Жыл бұрын
@@umarishaque4362 pretty much yeah.
@ProjektTaku
Жыл бұрын
yeah, mushin is basically UI without the transformation and just the technique.
@MonkeBrain07
Жыл бұрын
So basically UI from the manga...
@yvngvudu
Жыл бұрын
Stop watching dragon ball from tik tok
@sheikhu1039
Жыл бұрын
Seems like an interesting idea at first till you realise Goku modelled his fighting style round his powers, so a regular guy trying to do rock paper scissors style or meteor combination will look silly as fuck or won't be able to do it at all
@ZayDeyknow
Жыл бұрын
Goku mastered martial arts so good he gained powers of angels it's so well he moves without thinking about it lol its so natural its like "Instincts" we also gotta realize goku blitzes batman easily
@thomasthecoolkid7228
Жыл бұрын
This is no powers, so no he doesn't blitz
@BoneDaddy_
Жыл бұрын
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 one can make an argument where ultra instinct is a technique rather than power
@dutchdario635
Жыл бұрын
@@BoneDaddy_ it’s absolutely power related let’s be real by that logic Goku also doesn’t have powers since ki is considered natural in dragon ball
@BoneDaddy_
Жыл бұрын
@@dutchdario635 true, DB making it a technique is weird, but a fight like this is always decided by the writer anyways
@sptflcrw8583
Жыл бұрын
@@BoneDaddy_ I'd say he gets the auto dodge, but not the power boost
@ericwalsh2954
Жыл бұрын
Batman actually probably knows more martial arts than goku, but he has shown on multiple occasions he can learn techniques from watching them(not master them but has the physical understanding to emulate them)
@Jose07-_213
Жыл бұрын
Ong bro imo I think batman is more skilled in hand to hand combat he know almost all of the martial arts in the world
@nmbmemphisbeast3690
Жыл бұрын
@@Jose07-_213 he knows all the arts of fighting in the world he took time off to go learn them
@Jose07-_213
Жыл бұрын
@@nmbmemphisbeast3690 ong
@omens6402
Жыл бұрын
Fuck dude thanks for the Budokai 3 background music I haven’t heard that in a minute
@EeveeOnAHowitzer
Жыл бұрын
Did we know Batman would win? Hell yeah. Were we gonna watch to support the boy Seth? Hell yeah!
@michaeltreu4152
Жыл бұрын
Bat man sucks.
@ssbashalot7324
Жыл бұрын
@@michaeltreu4152 Agreed
@aerickmon3350
Жыл бұрын
Haters gon hate But who cares
@EeveeOnAHowitzer
Жыл бұрын
@@michaeltreu4152 Yeah, but you still gotta admit dude would win against Goku if they were on the same level.
@1Card-
Жыл бұрын
@@EeveeOnAHowitzer Well If we Do Goku vs Batman we just gonna use the Darkest Knight because it's still batman
@Steelersrg8
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact in the comics Superman lost to Mohammed Ali in a boxing tournament. No I’m not kidding.
@lukejones7164
8 ай бұрын
I remember that 😂
@malvinyct2544
3 ай бұрын
I mean Have we ever see Superman use material arts? Everytime I read the comics I only see simple punch, heat visions And then a whack to the face
@M0B5TERZ
2 ай бұрын
@@malvinyct2544 Supermans sparred with both Wonder Woman and Batman in h2h and were taught by them too.Infact Bruce was impressed of supermans fast adapting abilities
@kevmartin7589
Жыл бұрын
If Batman was fighting a Goku who doesn't have transformation or kyo ken, then definitely everything Seth has said 100% valid facts. Also Batman has kept up with Superman who has laser eyes, so it would be alright if Goku uses his ki range attacks as long as Batman has full use of his gadgets. Even still, it comes down to Batman only being able to keep up with a base form Goku. Eventually, Goku would be overwhelming Batman simply with his Sayian biology. Goku would be getting stronger as they fight. But if we were to remove that factor from Goku, it would technically be a win for Batman in a full martial arts contest. He has fought and defeated human bases enemy who were physically and combat superior like Bane.
@E2Four
Жыл бұрын
Goku fans still gonna be mad about these “facts” THIS WOULD NEVER BE OFFICIAL STOP TALKING LIKE IT IS YES YOU KNOW GOKU BUT YOU DID NOT MAKE THE ANIME SO ITS NOT OFFICIAL YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT GOKU BUT NOTHING ABOUT BATMAN YOU BASE THIS FIGHT OFF STRENGTH EVEN THOUGH ITS EQUALIZED If Batman has Goku’s strength then no one kills him. Be realistic, comic books are way more in depth than manga and anime so you’re really discrediting Batman.
@paxtonstewart8042
Жыл бұрын
Seth put some respect on every character mentioned in this video. Also with the mention of Wonder Woman, could we get some mentions for her power scaling? I feel like she goes a bit underrated considering some of her feats.
@gunchar06
Жыл бұрын
Well which Wonder Woman specifically, cause DCEU WW for example is very sub-planetary while Infinite Frontier Wonder Woman on the other hand literally walks over the Omniverse(includes everything DC ever published in it's historty) like it's a street crossing XD? But a general rule of thumb for normal comic versions is that Wonder Woman is somewhere around a serious Supes, he is often physically stronger, has a more rounded inherent power-set and can fly faster, while she is often more skilled, more versatile due to her gear(her lasso alone has already countless of hax abilities at it's best) and can fight or at least react faster.
@Bananzia
Жыл бұрын
Goku probably copies his fighting styles until he has no more lol
@BlenderInferno
Жыл бұрын
The amount of effort and research that goes into these videos is truly phenomenal! Keep up the awesome vids Seth! :)
@theoldhermit2601
Жыл бұрын
Goku used ultra instinct in his normal forms in the granolah arc. So while he can't use his white haired form or omen, he can use those UI principles in base now.
@youareacoward8459
Жыл бұрын
NO CHI! Watch the video.
@firecrumby2387
Жыл бұрын
@@youareacoward8459 But... Isn't ultra instinct just a technique? Just a very very advanced form?
@youareacoward8459
Жыл бұрын
@@firecrumby2387 No, Ultra Instinct can only be achived with God-ki.
@Stands4Jinx
Жыл бұрын
@@youareacoward8459 read the manga again, Ultra Instinct is a technique AND a form. You can use Ultra Instinct the technique without using "chi"/ki because it uses martial art principles
@brothatscrazy3418
Жыл бұрын
@@youareacoward8459 That's not even remotely true as Roshi can begin to tap into UI without God-ki. Ki isn't required for UI, its just a state of being.
@Omega-AlexGt
Жыл бұрын
Technically goku can use UI in base, since it is originally a technique
@seanthaxton9097
Жыл бұрын
Batman seems to have a form of Ultra instinct with ability to unconsciously move and react to enemy attacks so, yeah I'd say that's far.
@zar5101
Жыл бұрын
The thing about ultra instinct is that goku can harden his body. I dont know if it would be allowed in a martial arts only battle but in his battle with moro, moro tried attacking goku but broke his own arm.
@Omega-AlexGt
Жыл бұрын
@@zar5101 Some people train for long periods of time to harden their hands, so it isn't that crazy, after all.. goku's an alien
@zar5101
Жыл бұрын
@@Omega-AlexGt I'm not saying that it's crazy but he hardened his body as a way to lessen damage. Moro broke his arm from just punching goku. In a battle with no powers that's actually a crazy feat. The body hardening is exclusive to UI meaning it would be allowed.
@connorliebel3122
Жыл бұрын
Ultra Instinct is not the "art of throwing hands". It's based on Flow State. Moving without thinking. Bruce Lee often spoke of it. UI Sign/Omen was his body avoiding damage on its own, whereas he had to think about attacking. MUI is when he stopped thinking all together and simply moved. Whis talks about it numerous times. Not sure how you skipped that.
@kawakiuzumaki5934
Жыл бұрын
Bro he knows that. Everyone knows ui is instinctive movement and even with it batman puts goku in the trash
@brocautry5063
Жыл бұрын
@@kawakiuzumaki5934 especially considering, as Seth pointed out in the video, Batman can also enter a flow state. Being able to use Ultra Instinct in this fight wouldn't give Goku an advantage, it would just make him equal to Batman.
@NousagiCaptain
Жыл бұрын
This is one of things where the question is really: “If Master Rossi existed in DC canon how much better would he be than the top martial artists in that universe?” The answer to that directly determines who wins this. Goku is a Master. Hands down. The person with the most styles doesn’t determine who wins, IF all other things being equal. I dont think Batman has more skill than Goku at fighting. He has more SKILLS plural, but he’s not more SKILLED at fighting. You only need to master YOUR Martial art to its pinnacle. Analogy: For a race you can pick whatever car you want (in the correct class) the one who wins the race is gonna be the better driver, not the guy with more cars. Batman just has a longer and more detailed history EXPLAINING how good he is, where Anime just stays vague and says “this dude is the best fighter I’ve ever seen” and leaves it there. Fun thought experiment though. I think they would go back and forth taking wins off each other. But I do think Batman would win the very first spar they do.
@imhappy._.
Жыл бұрын
The thing is, Goku doesn't have a single "style". I can think of 8 different masters he had in his entire life off the top of my head. Plus, he's fighting different kinds of opponents with different styles also. His main strength is his adaptability. To use your analogy, It's almost as if he's changing cars mid-race to gain advantages. And all of that culminates into ultra instinct. Imagine all of Goku's cars being mashed together to make a car on steroids.
@MGmirkin
Жыл бұрын
The question is irrelevant. Goku has trained under Roshi, yes, but he's also trained under Popo, Kami, King Kai, Whis, and has fought in multiple world martial arts tournaments as well as multiversal tournaments against the strongest fighters in multiple parallel universes, and basically took the win (aside from / despite U.I. being "incomplete" at the time). He has also practiced what he preaches by literally fighting/defeating the strongest villains at planetary, galactic, and universal scales over the course of the DBZ / DBS and manga arcs. In no universe does Bruce Wayne beat Goku unaided on raw martial arts / strength / speed alone. He's not even in the same league / class as Goku. He can't even keep up on speed (which Goku canonically moves faster than any standard human perception [e.g., Mr. Satan, anyone who hasn't trained to his level, etc.]; they can't even perceive Goku's movement while fighting, only the sonic booms and such of the fighters' "clashes"). Bruce Wayne fares no better on strength, as Goku has literally trained in at least 100x if not 1,000x, 10,000x Earth's gravity, if not more on Beerus' / Whis' planet. And, to be frank, even in "base form" by the end of Super, Goku has approximately SSJ God/Red level power. Bruce Wayne, simply hasn't had that kind of training in either strength or speed. HE sure as hell isn't even a planetary-level ffighter, let alone galactic, universal, or God-level. Goku bodies Bruce Wayne / Batman, all day, every day. Before Bruce Wayne can even blink. If people are being HONEST.
@NousagiCaptain
Жыл бұрын
@@MGmirkin No the question in not irrelevant. The reason that question is posed, is because if Master Roshi > DC marital artists, then all of the masters above Master Roshi scale that much higher in technique. C'mon bro bro.
@sptflcrw8583
Жыл бұрын
@@MGmirkin did you even read the prompt
@sptflcrw8583
Жыл бұрын
Bruh, watch the video, bruce blows goku out of the water.
@captaincrunch6044
Жыл бұрын
did freiza make the thumbnail?? “the bat vs the monkey”
@themonster4815
Жыл бұрын
Ultra instinct is actually based off a real life state of mind called "Mushin"
@CanineLupus0114
Жыл бұрын
"Well Ultra instinct is a technique and not a power so Goku can use it" Instant Transmission, Ki Blasts, Kio Ken, Kamehameha, Fusion, Gallick Gun, Final Flash, Solar Flare, Kage Bunshin, Harry Potter Magic Spells, and half of Anime powers are Techniques.
@thedarwinist672
Жыл бұрын
People forget just how good of a martial artist Goku really is. Because he's so strong, people think his martial arts are second important. They're not. Ultra Instinct is the result of perfect martial arts skill.
@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879
Жыл бұрын
"ultra instinct is the result of perfect martial arts" what in the actual fuck are u talking abt LOOOOOOOOOL holy
@prime5991
Жыл бұрын
@@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879 dude, you're the one who don't know what you're talking about. Ultra instinct IS the result of perfect martial arts, it's not just a power up like super saiyan. It's where you're so good at fighting that the body instinctively moves in the perfect way for you. You clearly didn't read the manga where Roshi actually achieved it for a short time and dodged Jirens attacks. If you dont believe me, look it up yourself.
@Omni-dude162
Жыл бұрын
@@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879 yeah UI is bs plot armor 🤣🤣
@maple1010
Жыл бұрын
@@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879 it kinda is but just put on the highest posible stage, havent you seen videos of people able to dodge things that move at such high speeds
@Chris_HT
Жыл бұрын
@@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879 Funny your saying that, because Whis teaches UI to goku, by definition its the culmination of his training of martial arts with all his teachers, you obviously havent done any kind of research💀
@Nebnub
Жыл бұрын
I think the pure amount of hours put into training sheds light on the obvious winner
@Armadder
Жыл бұрын
Goku?
@sptflcrw8583
Жыл бұрын
@@Armadder ???
@Armadder
Жыл бұрын
@@sptflcrw8583 he said the pure amount of hours put into training, goku definitely trains more considering he's literally trained for years straight at one point
@sptflcrw8583
Жыл бұрын
@@Armadder batman spent his entire childhood training nonstop, he definitely has more time put in.
@Armadder
Жыл бұрын
@@sptflcrw8583 I highly doubt it. Goku spends his casual time training, Goku literally lives and breaths training. I'm sure Bruce trains a ton on his off time but he's still Bruce wayne, I'm sure he's gotta make appearances at events and what not. Now let's tackle this "childhood training" argument of yours. You say Bruce trained his entire childhood... but so has Goku! Maybe not as non stop as you claim Bruce has but when we're first introduced to Goku in Dragonball, he was already trained by Grandpa Gohan. Goku was 12 when introduced in Dragonball but sent to earth at around 3. I unfortunately don't know when grandpa Gohan trained Goku though knowing dragon ball logic, Goku was taught at a very early age. At best that gives Goku 9 years of training at the age of 12, with Bruce at 4 years of training at 12. Even if it wasn't 9 years for Goku, Goku still has been training all of his childhood, he's trained a lot with Roshi, and even 3 years with kami. At BEST I can see Bruce beating Goku by maybe a year when it comes to childhood training, and this assumes the worst-case scenario for Goku's childhood training. After childhood, Goku literally trains so much it's crazy. At one point he trains for 7 years in otherworld between Cell saga and Buu saga. He's also trained a whole year in the room of spirit and time when training to fight cell, half a year running snake way and the other half training with king kai against the saiyans, 3 years for the androids, 3 years in super in the room of spirit and time for the universe 6 and 7 tournament, and a few more times in the room of spirit and time and in Whis' staff. Also Goku regularly trains on King Kais planet or at Beerus world with Whis. I'm sure I'm missing a ton more training moments but it's clear that Goku has a TON of training time. So yeah, I HIGHLY doubt Batman trains more with Goku, sorry. Now, I don't really read dc comics so it might very well be possible for Batman to train more than Goku, but I feel like you don't watch a lot of dragon ball either since you seem to think that Batman's childhood training is somehow an argument for Batman having more time in training than Goku.
@nocomment6012
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't Goku just activate UI in his base form like the manga? Goku has used The UI technique in base form to help him in combat, without the technique boosting his strength
@MrClutch038
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@idontevenknow7600
Жыл бұрын
Batman also has ultra instinct like abilities which Seth said. Even if you gave that to him Bruce would still win.
@RomoFett_
Жыл бұрын
You also gotta take into account Saiyan biology. Even without Ki control, they are built to be fighting machines. It's not stated enough that a Saiyan's skin is woven like Kevlar. In original dragon ball, Goku takes an axe to the head and it shatters before his skin does. He didn't see it coming, nor was he using Ki to protect himself. This was purely a biological feat. Same thing could be said about small ammunition. Goku, without provoking his Ki, was able to take a shot from a sub machine gun, and all it did was leave a small scratch. They have stronger muscles, they don't need performance enhancing drugs to bulk up, they have more stamina, etc. I see Goku winning this 7/10 times.
@Aryan_Aran
Жыл бұрын
Yea I was gonna point out the same thing like why do they have to make Goku to human level why not just his basic biology as a Saiyan without ki and without transformations, he's shown so much of it in the entire series but in super they nearly removed it which is just bad story writing 🤦 but i think without any powers Goku still takes the win not just with his biology but also in terms of skill too.
@idontevenknow7600
Жыл бұрын
You missed the whole point of the video, Seth said that they have equal stats and can’t use anything but Martial Arts.
@Dexuz
Жыл бұрын
Saiyans don't exist.
@LordKaisan
Жыл бұрын
and he lifts tons and tons of weight also he can train at hundreds of times of earths gravity easily
@Aryan_Aran
Жыл бұрын
@@Dexuz and Batman too doesn't exist 😑
@goodpol5022
Жыл бұрын
My man really managed to get a Rosetta Stone sponsor?! This was in my elementary ciriclulum.😅
@sgfiree
Жыл бұрын
Cant believe u mentioned him fighting kefla in UI but not the most valuable part of the fight to prove his fighting skills.. when he faught kale and caulifa while fatigue and beat them both up
@cid16
Жыл бұрын
DB meat riders are crying in the comments lmao
@reaper5158
Жыл бұрын
No one is
@triplecrosscounter
Жыл бұрын
@@reaper5158 there's literally a 400+ thread of DB fanboys coping.
@reaper5158
Жыл бұрын
@@triplecrosscounter You got a batman pfp so I assume it's only right for you to say that
@poison5343
Жыл бұрын
@@reaper5158that’s not Batman good try tho
@reaper5158
Жыл бұрын
@@poison5343 took you two months to reply bro What were we even talking about
@mastersplinter2857
Ай бұрын
King Kai states that the training Goku did on his planet for 158 days was the equivalent of a few thousand years of training. King Kai is also a presumably immortal god/plant thingy(his species literally grows from a tree). So goku got a few thousand years of training from a 75 million year old god. When Batman fought Black Adam on an equal footing, he is stumped by Teth’s usage of Dhritishastra, Vandal Savage’s fighting style, an Indian martial art he developed that is so complex, it has been said to take an entire lifetime to learn. I’d argue this is Batman’s ceiling, with goku it’s hard to directly compare these two scenarios, but goku’s seemed capable of keeping up with a few thousand years worth of martial arts refinement under the constraints of 10x the gravity he’s accustomed to being imposed on him. Not saying your wrong Seth cause ur right, Batman’s entire comic book run is bound to have a number of crazy feats and statements. But it’s crazy how goku’s slept on in the skill department, when he has so many other impressive combat feats. I’m a fighter myself, and respect both as top tier in terms of fictional characters.
@dc7981
Жыл бұрын
I love how anime characters will be these tall 6’2+ hulking gods and yet aren’t even breaking past 170 pounds meanwhile Nightwing who’s sometimes a borderline Twink is still like 200+ or something
@electrolysisresearch8013
Жыл бұрын
I do agree Batman wins. But i think you overstate some of Batman's feats a bit. And in OG Dragon Ball it is in a futuristic setting of earth, With aliens and extreme emphasis on martial arts all throughout the Universe actually. Grandpa Gohan was Goku's first teacher which taught him martial arts from a small baby, he was probably a master of all earth martial arts styles. The next was Master roshi and he had to have mastered all he trained for hundreds of years, and then kami, king Kai is basically the god of martial arts, and has watched fighters all over the universe for millions of years. TBH i think martial arts skills is redundant here, Goku on screen does Kung Fu and Shaolin martial arts style of fighting, he kicks alot more is the biggest difference. Batman typically looks more like American kickboxing. I think it would be completely unreasonable to say he has more martial arts knowledge than King Kai or Whis. I think this would be a very good fight and Batman does not outclass Goku. The truth is if Goku ever seen Batman he would think he was the coolest thing he ever seen in his life though lol.
@Nightmare-we8vm
4 ай бұрын
I never really got the point of these debates because genetics play suck a large factor in fighting. The issue is that characters like Goku are genetically superior. So some people just lose their powers and some have their genetics, powers, and general athleticism removed. At that point you might as well remove the characters and just debate the fighting styles.
@mhassankhalid3774
Жыл бұрын
I think Seth even after showing how underrated Goku was still downplayed him a bit. Goku will not adapt to Batman's fighting style because even in og dragon ball he was taught to just move in the most optimal way possible. To be the most efficient and don't make unnecessary movements. Obviously power is a big factor in Goku's strength but just the fact he could handle caulifa in base is kinda insane because that shows just how actually skilled he is. Only person who comes to his level in that department is master roshi. So yeah but still I do think batman may win but in my opinion I think it is more of a 45-55 win rate where Goku is 45 and batman is 55. The reason I think this is because even though batman may have 127 different fighting styles, still Goku would just hit him more effective and efficiently. Tbh It really comes down to actual Durability. I mean in terms of battle iq both are pretty much same and in power I say Goku may have an advantage due to his years of experience and ki mastery (which allows him to use his ki most effectively to create maximum output). But the reason I favour batman is because Goku has an very bad habit of dropping his guard. And batman will obviously take advantage of it even if it was just for half a second. So yeah I am tempted to put Goku at 55 which he may be but there are many Batman fanboys and I don't wanna start a war. Anyways I would pay a handsome amount to see their battle.
@SlowkeyyGD
Жыл бұрын
I'd say Goku takes the W. u see how insanely strong and fast Goku is, even without powers. I love Batman, but in a martial arts only battle, Goku is running Batman's fade. Batman is at rock bottom in terms of strength, speed, senses, and overall physical prowess compared to Goku
@kawakiuzumaki5934
Жыл бұрын
@@SlowkeyyGDMARTIAL ARTS ONLY. Not a stats battle my guy. Why are db fans so braindead?
@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286
Жыл бұрын
BATMAN KNOWS EVERY SINGLE FORM OF MARTIAL ARTS AND IF THERE ARE MORE HE WILL MASTER THEM. STOP WITH THE "127"
@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286
Жыл бұрын
@@SlowkeyyGD read my comment
@SlowkeyyGD
Жыл бұрын
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 i said Goku > Batman in physical stats, not in martial arts
@123GOHANZ
Жыл бұрын
I knew Batman was going to out skill Goku but at least this video put respect on Goku’s martial art prowess. Really hope Seth makes more of these types of videos analyzing characters in unique ways rather than just regular match ups.
@Figgs101
Жыл бұрын
Goku a dog not doubt but taking goku powers away and putting him against a man who hang with gods on a regular basis is a no brainer
@charlottewalnut3118
Жыл бұрын
The ki is a martial arts technique as is flight so yeah
@markfenwick8939
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t Goku have adapted to the fighters in the Tournament of Power, fighters whom come from different universes?
@abdullahjavaid6695
Жыл бұрын
Goku's fighting style is also based on his powers. Without his powers, he is clearly at a disadvantage, as the styles he practiced included the using of his powers (His style alternates physical attacks and his powers, so getting used to fighting without them would not be easy at all). Therefore Batman, who naturally fights without powers and is used to it, would win.
@ATRileyProductions
Жыл бұрын
Literally wrong on that one but go off i guess.
@Tyrineal
Жыл бұрын
Been in martial arts my entire life of over 30+ years there is so much cross over in Martial Arts its not even funny, like there is only so many ways to throw a punch or a kick plus the styles that are more or less useless alone (most kung fu styles for example on their own bad but when mixed with something else is ideal) or some lose value and fail at higher levels to. Batman swapping styles wouldn't be that big of an advantage for the cross over alone. At best there would be slight differences in hand and feet placement but that in a real fight honestly doesn't mean jack shit. For example throwing a Tae-Kwon-Do front leg roundhouse kick is exactly the same as Karate. Better example would be the only difference between a Boxing straight and a Karate Straight is the follow up hand (non punching hand) placement, boxing is up by your face Karate is by your hip. For Batman he would just simply use the boxing version as it is faster for follow ups and "forget" the Karate version. Mastering one style is quite a feat but going on to master more it would only get faster and faster to master due to crossover. Realistically Batman may not have even had to train in all of them honestly or if he did not very long due to this. Realistically, Batman's style would be blending what he knows of all the styles and what works best for him, he would borrow elements of what he deems useful and "throw out the rest" or "put it in the closet" He wouldn't go "ok I'm gonna use Tae-Kwon-Do on this guy and Gojo Ryu Karate on this one now since he is doing Tae-Kwon-Do" that's not how that works. If Batman were to win it wouldn't be standing up ain't no way he is out punching or kicking someone with Goku's learning speed and adaptability. If Goku can adapt and learn against beings who are thousands of years old he can and would adapt to how Batman himself fights rather quickly. Batman would need to put Goku on the ground as Goku hasn't really had to deal with Armbars and Legbars. Batman can beat Goku if it is an even playing field but he would have to end it fast the longer the fight goes the better for Goku
@Tkempwait
Жыл бұрын
I’m a HUGE Batman fan and tbh I didn’t expect you to say batman wins 🤣 if you give goku his powers and Batman a week of prep time that’s a lot more interesting of a fight. Granted goku probably stomps but I’ve never seen batman with prep time actually take an L
@LainK1978
Жыл бұрын
I can see Batman possibly winning, but I don't see it as being as cut and dry. A lot of Batman's strength and durability comes from his suit/tech, and if you are taking away Goku's super powers you need to be taking away Batman's Suit and tech. I don't think that Batman is going to have the natural durability and endurance that Goku had. When Goku loses a fight, it is because he is overpowered not out skilled or unable to adapt to a skilled opponent. Batman might start the fight as having more skills at his use but I see the fight as ending in a stalemate.
@TicoB88
Жыл бұрын
A couple things you forgot to say about Batman. He dodged the lasers that’s never missed from dark sied. Also goku has trained under different gravities(while traveling to namek or in the training chamber). So his bones are denser and can take more damage.
@kalebruiz-garcia4531
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it would be like when batman punches superman. Same effect when batman punches Goku. Broken hand.
@Sumo3D
Жыл бұрын
in UI its a form of "flow state" where youre so in tuned with yourself that people around you seem slower or unsure. anyone can tap into even without trying to. its quite interesting form of peak awareness and instincts, "ultra Instincts" if you will.
@stavtri987
Жыл бұрын
But is this not a "form" of Goku? I believe that this versus is the ability of pure skill and experience alone, and not tapping into a "form" or "drawing power from a source". Martial arts prowess vs martial arts prowess, would you say. While you did say that anyone can tap into this, Goku's case is a special one since his is backed up by his qi, a power source of dragonball that human expertise in our realm is different. So while maybe Goku can tap into some type of UI, it and his actions has to be non-enhanced by his qi. But either way, this would be made irrelevant, as both Goku and Batman would have similar or near equal level of "precognition”/understanding the enemy's next action, when treating both fighters as having no powers/powered actions. And I believe, the closest thing that "mimics" UI is something called the "timed stopped illusion", otherwise known as Tachypsychia, where our eye is anticipating events vs what is actually happening.
@Sumo3D
Жыл бұрын
@@stavtri987 oh i was speaking in a real wrld personal experience in fighting. That "UI" does exsist but its called something different in our wrld.
@jackroyaltea5034
Жыл бұрын
Kakarot’s base form is MUCH stronger than her ssj 2 form. That being said. He was drained af at that point. So we really was making it off of just skill.
@gustavju4686
Жыл бұрын
Everyone is always doing Goku vs. Superman, but it takes a real chad to do Goku vs. Batman!
@marcusordonez2463
Жыл бұрын
If it’s a 1v1 with no powers/just humans, then always bet on Batman to mop the floor
@willwill5820
Жыл бұрын
Seth really has been lowballing Dragon Ball ever since that Ben 10 debate huh
@badabingbing474
Жыл бұрын
Cope more
@brownell947
Жыл бұрын
How so
@Pomp_adour
Жыл бұрын
Kratos VS Doom Slayer pls
@thatonespoon__777
Жыл бұрын
Now do a video on the full power versions
@MarcusBS
Жыл бұрын
this would not change or alter the outcome, but the boxing example might be a bad one. a current boxer does not practis often enough, in a match, to compair to older boxers. i've seen a few places that give this example. if you want further info about this look up "hard core history boxing with ghosts" this is a conversation with dan carlin, and mike silver.
@vergiemorrison928
5 ай бұрын
The thing about these fights when they handicap a DB character is that…they still have their base form speed and strength which is leagues above anyone else. Ss, kaioken, ki blast and instant transmission, are what would be considered powered. He’s mopping Batman
@fbi2522
Жыл бұрын
Garou would be wild.
@jblue88hoodgamer54
Жыл бұрын
Seth I don't know you you made the Video about it or not but is it ok if you make a video of who will win a fight between Lobo Vs Doomsday because I'm curious of who will actually win a Fight between them. And also can you make one about who will win a fight between Sora Vs Link and Popeye Vs Squirrel Girl.
@jinmakome2796
Жыл бұрын
Anyone who says batman just needs to find a high bridge and jump🤣🤣🤣
@rutial
Жыл бұрын
I still think Goku would still come out on top with some injuries or bruises
@Filtiarin
Жыл бұрын
Bats beat the karate kid, the dude that mastered all the martial arts in the universe...if both goku and bats have no powers then bats will beat the ever living shit outta goku
@raheemb6
Жыл бұрын
Were was all that experience when Batman vs Bane for the first time
@theoryllakadon
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how all those facts do not compile to Goku's martial arts genius to some people. You could see that when Goku was a kid. He's a goofy ass character but with hands he is a legit genius who's only life passion is training and martial arts. I am a huge Batman fan but people seem to understate Goku's martial arts abilities.
@oneofgodschildren8361
Жыл бұрын
Autonomous ultra instinct is similar to fight or flight mode with the zen mind it turns off lactic acid, and shyness it boosts qi energy maximize the strength and speed I used to call it quick and smooth back in the 80s I love my fight or flight mode
@izdev9055
Жыл бұрын
*What do we have to do to keep Seth posting on a consistent basis?* 🤔
@StrictlyStrange67
Жыл бұрын
Goku has done this: eat, train, sleep for basically 40 years
@thesmilingknight4982
Жыл бұрын
yeah this is definetly a fight i would love to see
@GiRR007
Жыл бұрын
Kid goku beating those guys in that tournament isnt a feat for his skills, he was literally just more powerful than them.
@g4do
Жыл бұрын
Even as a fighter without his power , goku evolved on a planet that made his physical strength naturally much higher and his speed much faster . I'm not buying human training being enough to get past goku's natural abilities.
@tengenwithaflashyglock8834
Жыл бұрын
Didn’t even know Seth made this
@robingames2002
Жыл бұрын
I don’t care what anyone says hits time skip is so overpowered Is it gonna think about it if he skips one singular second a half a second or even a millisecond you are guaranteed dead there’s no way you can stop it unless you predict what he’s gonna do or somehow have a counter or have a hax ability and people still say goku is dumb lmao 🤣 goku is a fighting prodigy love the video Seth
@robingames2002
Жыл бұрын
Yes Batman is on another level
@kingpet
Жыл бұрын
i think everyone is forgetting goku's secret weapon that used against beerus and even wiz: BITING.
@kenny7415
Жыл бұрын
The match we've all been waiting for!
@Cricket101382
Жыл бұрын
With no super anything Batman hands down beats most. The guy already goes up against super powered people and he's already just a guy.
@Cer049
Жыл бұрын
Batman is 6'2" and 210 Lbs Goku is 5'8~5'9 and 137 Lbs I get it Seth that would be a boring and very short video, but if they're nerf to normal human bodies, no amount of techniques is breaching that height/weight gap for Goku, and batman is more skilled anyway. It's hardly a debate
@hakaishinkage9899
Жыл бұрын
Batman has mastery over a bunch of martial arts and can mix them effectively. Goku has mastery over one style of fighting and lacks grappling skills. Batman is effectively the greatest mixed martial artist of all time and is proficient in every facet of combat, and Goku's a traditional striker. Batmans also bigger and has the reach advantage. Batman rinses Goku with ease as far as I'm concerned.
@IsumiNath
Жыл бұрын
To be honest, there is a martial art that I think either Moks or the Chinese (correct me if I'm wrong) practice which MUIis based on.
@jerm70
Жыл бұрын
I am sorry but Goku would break Bane's back with ease. You are comparing a World Champion to a renowned martial artist. Goku would just be faster, stronger, and more adaptable than Batman could ever be. Goku in this case would be a humanized version of the Monkey King. It would be like saying Batman could beat Hercules in a fight.
@brownell947
Жыл бұрын
He only broke Batman’s back because he was weak and at the time of night fall And for strength for fat man lifting over 1000 pounds punching through bricks and punching people to walls punching through metal kicking a small motorcycle in half punching to Machines and robots And actually hold back his strength when he punch people to Kevlar
@Ebbystein
Жыл бұрын
starting off with The Batman theme is top tier seth..
@SasukeUchiha-eh1we
Жыл бұрын
5:38 can someone tell me what that epic music in the back ground is called
@imoneofthebestever
Жыл бұрын
i been wantin to know stuff like this for YEARS , like how niggas would fair wit just skraight martial arts skills , like I just wanna see that , hand to hand combat , no powers or abilities or Nan like that skraight HANDZ.
@steviegreenthumb4720
Жыл бұрын
Anyone who would like to know more in depth on the concepts referred to with Ultra Instinct, Go read Miyamoto Musashi's "book of 5 rings", with the 5th ring, "the art of no-thing" being the main focus
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