He is using base form superman because pretty much anything else is external help. Goku transformations on the other hand are HIS own powers not external help and that's where the Goku being more powerful (better durability and attack potency) comes from. You've got a point on the sensu bean but solar energy is pretty much sensu bean for Superman. Destroying planets is more impressive than moving one; I can move an object but that doesn't mean my punches can destroy it but regardless, we are talking about above universe level characters here so planetary feats are not impressive. Superman is powerful but without amps, Goku is more powerful while Superman will still be much faster, more intelligent, resistance to certain attacks and with better stamina. That is why Superman is winning.
@Crashboy757
2 жыл бұрын
I’ll still say super man is more powerful because him going all out is above multiversal and goku is barely even low multi
@L0L246
2 жыл бұрын
@@Crashboy757 but wasn't that with an Amp
@Crashboy757
2 жыл бұрын
@@L0L246 what amp?
@calvinkopp1735
2 жыл бұрын
Goku is stronger when it comes to Attack Potency and Ki Reserves and Superman is stronger when it comes to physical strength, speed, invulnerability and superior will.
@kingswayentertainment1548
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, I state that Superman IS far more powerful than Goku. Not the other way around. The creator whose content that we're reacting to has an opposing opinion. Evidence to what I state? Superman moves PLANETS with raw physical strength. Something never seen in the Dragon Ball universe. And no, we're not baseless. I make several points.
@mel-el5862
2 жыл бұрын
@@kingswayentertainment1548 the video made it clear he kept superman at base which is a nerf. and you're right superman is actually stronger by alot. I recommend you a solid scaling video og goku vs superman by a youtuber called Captain Forest.
@Divinemakyr
2 жыл бұрын
@@kingswayentertainment1548 The debate of Goku vs Superman involves beyond universal attack potencies and you're talking about moving planets? Mere planets?
@omnipresentl1316
2 жыл бұрын
@@kingswayentertainment1548 the Superman he's using isn't the strongest Superman he intentionally used a version that was physically weaker and explained why he still wins.
@ziggibear1920
3 ай бұрын
@@kingswayentertainment1548 just because a character doesn't do smth on screen doesn't mean they can't. But i understand since you guys seem to be casuals lol
@oliverainsworth232
2 жыл бұрын
THIS IS POST CRISIS SUPERMAN.
@izy4114
2 жыл бұрын
When he talks about the energy they use to blow planets, shouldn't they be able to use that same energy to keep inside their body to just move the planet aswell? Since it is their own energy and power not to say they have but iys not like they've had a reason to
@emastermet609
2 жыл бұрын
Dawg the guy that said moving a planet is harder than destroying one would get clowned so hard if he set foot in any of these guy's domain.
@Joan-jq5ho
Жыл бұрын
Funny enough, if you consider Newton's Law, moving a planet actually uses less energy than exploding one to obliteration
@4nnd711
Жыл бұрын
thats like saying moving or lifting a boulder is harder than destroying a boulder
@AmateurAnimations65
Жыл бұрын
It actually takes a lot more energy to blow up a planet than to move it. As a simple example, first try picking up a chair and moving it a couple inches, then try tearing that same chair apart. Chances are you'll have an easier time moving the chair than destroying it. The same logic applies here. But it doesn't even matter since Seth clarifies that the version of Superman he's using averages out at universe-busting strength, while the version of Goku he's using is multi-universal
@kingswayentertainment1548
Жыл бұрын
Actually, no it doesn't. It takes more to move. To destroy, all I need to do is fire a beam to pierce the core and disrupt the planet. To move, I need to be strong enough to go against the sun's gravitational pull as well as the weight of the planet. Nukes can destroy a planet. They can't move one.
@AmateurAnimations65
Жыл бұрын
@@kingswayentertainment1548 With all due respect, I find that claim hard to believe, because to destroy a planet you also have to destroy it beyond its gravitational pull. And the death blasts in Dragon Ball aren't just blowing up these planets, they cause destruction on the atomic level. It's rarely because characters pierced the planet, and more often a case of their raw power just ripping the planet to shreds on contact. So each and every atom of a planet is either disintegrated or ripped away from the planet's core gravity. Nukes could ruin the planet, but there's absolutely no indication they could destroy it on this level. Moving a planet however is comparatively easy. Yes, pushing or pulling a planet out of the sun's orbit even by just a little would be a monumental feat, something only Herculean beings could accomplish, but it doesn't require as much energy as vaporizing everything that makes up the planet. I just find that really hard to believe, though I can respect your differing opinion
@kingswayentertainment1548
Жыл бұрын
@@AmateurAnimations65 You are actually incorrect. To destroy something, you simply need to tear it apart. You don't need to atomize it. The Earth blows up, it's destroyed. Even if there are chunks of it floating through space, it's still destroyed. It's not a whole structure. That's common sense. Krypton has fragments floating through space, but we can all agree it's destroyed, right? What it boils down to is something I see very often, unfortunately. You just don't want to be wrong.
@AmateurAnimations65
Жыл бұрын
@@kingswayentertainment1548 I believe there is a misunderstanding here. You seem to be talking about planetary destruction in general, while I'm talking about how it usually works in Dragon Ball. I can believe that piercing the core, or even ripping it apart as you describe, would likely be easier than moving the Earth, I can concede that much. But that's not what's happening usually in dragon ball. Aside from Frieza intentionally striking the core on Namek for the sake of pressuring Goku and specific outliers like that, nearly every other case is simply their energy vaporizing these planets. We know this as there are multiple examples of ki blasts obliterating foes on an atomic level, such as in Trunks vs Mecha Frieza and SS2 Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell. These blasts erase things on an atomic to cellular level, and their raw power surpasses planetary thousands of times over. Such as when King Vegeta waved his hand and erased a planet and its moons. A minimum amount of effort from a complete jobber in the series and these things were reduced to nothingness. Not had their core pierced, not simply broken apart, these things were engulfed in ki and you can even see the chunks of the planet quickly being disintegrated, not even leaving dust where the planet used to be. Prince Vegeta even does something similar to the bug planet, and these guys at that point are hundreds of thousands of times weaker than the higher tiers of the verse, so it stands to reason this type of planetary destruction is an option for pretty much every character after the Saiyan-to-Namek Saga. Also, on a side note, whether or not moving a planet is harder doesn't matter because lifting strength is completely irrelevant to attack power. Moving a planet around is pretty much unusable in battle, while being able to delete the planet your opponent's standing on is significantly more valuable in a fight
@kingswayentertainment1548
Жыл бұрын
@@AmateurAnimations65 There's not. In the Namek arc in DBZ Freiza blew up the planet by shooting down into its core and disrupting it. That didn't atomize it, it just blew it up. Vegeta did something similar in the Saiyans arc before Goku came back to life. As I said. You just don't want to be wrong.
@ThuTran-bk7me
2 жыл бұрын
Holy fuck superman and goku (incredibly so for superman's case) was soooo nerf. This is really old, yeah I agree that superman would fold goku like fucking omelette but goddamn man
@too_official6194
2 жыл бұрын
U do know if they can blow up a planet they can lift it multiple times over galactus who eats planets can throw them like baseballs and he fights celestials who throw like 10 planets at Thor at once n he tanked it so that’s nothing
@sinister6925
2 жыл бұрын
Yo what Facebook group are you in I'd like to join it and id love to further discuss this exact topic with you in length and Many others
@tajultra6947
2 жыл бұрын
Bruh Superman doesn’t have any transformations and all multiplayers are external so it’s pretty dumb to expect Seth to use them so you saying that he is using super sayian for goku and that it’s unfair is kinda confusing to me
@kingswayentertainment1548
2 жыл бұрын
Superman One Million, Yellow Lantern Ring Superman, Black Lantern Ring Superman, Superman with yellow solar radiation armor. They say Base Form in this, which indicates no power ups. Which would include the Super Saiyan forms. And even with power ups, Goku loses.
@mel-el5862
2 жыл бұрын
torqausm vo and Rao are his martial arts and are not external amps. Seth took that away to give goku more of a chance. we know superman claps either way.
@L0L246
2 жыл бұрын
@@kingswayentertainment1548 but those are external power ups and not part of his normal powers
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