LCGs simply don't have a pressure to invest and stay invested that TCGs have. If you can either expect to always be able to find playsets of whatever expansion you want or essentially never be able to find them after they go out of print, it's very easy to take an all or nothing approach to purchasing products. If instead I get slow drip of game pieces you have both the dopamine hit of getting a new addition to your collection, but also the promise of another dopamine hit next week or even just by buying yet another pack. No one really trades LCG cards, instead you see whole collections (or sometimes sealed product) for sale so the barrier to exchange is relatively high and not appealing to a low-spend player. Buying that one card I need to upgrade my deck is much more approachable than buying someone's entire collection (net zero players added to the game btw) or having to buy an entire expansion to access a single card. Another factor is the status that comes with having a large collection in a TCG. Not only can you play a broader range of decks, but you passively instill envy in players who wish they had access to those cards. You can spin this in a pro-social direction by establishing networks of friends for card sharing -- each person both gives and gets value by having excuses to have social contact with other players and save each other money by lowering the cost to each individual. TCGs also naturally produce a model of evangelism and cult-like player retention. If I have extra cards that I will never use, I can feel good about giving those away to a friend to get them started. In an LCG, I simply won't have truly extra cards unless I purchase multiple copies of an expansion for some reason. The metagame of an LCG is almost exclusively based only on the deckbuilding and play skill of the population involved. In a TCG, there's also the element of "if I just bought this one card" which many players find much easier to understand than metagame analysis so you get a spending arms race rather than metagame evolution. As players invest more money in their collection, they also end up with increasing loss aversion about how much time and money they have spent on these game pieces. Add in the "but what if it becomes very valuable in the future" worry and you have further loss aversion even when players stop playing the game -- they hang onto their collection or end up with a story about how cheaply they sold out for years ago.
@teamcovenant
5 ай бұрын
This is an absolutely excellent comment. Love the write up and those are great points. I’m going to pin it to the top!
@Ghorda9
5 ай бұрын
a big problem with TCGs is that they're pay to win by nature, a decent yugioh deck for example can be several hundred dollars by itself
@joeldheath
5 ай бұрын
@@Ghorda9 I think of them more as "pay to participate" because there is an upper limit to the amount you can pay. You can choose to spend less and have a lesser (but by no means bad) experience -- like if you bought chess but didn't buy the queens. It's still a functional game that can be quite fun but if you play against someone who does have a queen, you're at a disadvantage and need a (sometimes impossible to achieve) greater skill advantage to defeat that opponent. "Pay to win" seems to be a more common perspective among casual players who have that one or two friends who out-spend everyone else. In the mid-to-high-level competitive environment, at least from my experience with Magic, you either are buying in enough to compete or you're not participating.
@Ghorda9
5 ай бұрын
@@joeldheath it's because the staples fetch a high price and are usually short printed even if they're common
@silentbob71190
5 ай бұрын
So happy to see MC back on the channel again! Hopefully this wasn’t a one-off.
@Roden4Sooners
5 ай бұрын
Y'all have so much fun playing the LCG's. Despite the struggle of getting back into the game. They are the most entertaining and funny videos to watch. I was originally following you guys on the Arkham streams and videos. Which got me into Champions when it came out. Most of my stuff came from the sub through TC. I laugh out loud, and love see you guys laugh so much when the game goes off the rails. Probably the content I enjoy the most. Champions, Arkham and now Ashes PVE. Thanks for playing Champions again! Will def be ordering this expansion from TC when I get a chance.
@Monkey_D._Elliott
5 ай бұрын
Great show. Thanks as always for the talk. For Sorcery, more than a strict Beta reprint, if I had my druthers, I'd love to see them have a perennial core set. Something that has the cores and whatever staples are introduced in each yearly set. Something that's kept on shelves and available year round at the retailer level. A consistent way into the game for new players. For me, my bottom line, is that it's really hard to sell a game that doesn't have physical product for stores six months out of the year. Doesn't need to be a new set, but something people can buy. (I suppose the starter set satisfies this, but next step product is important). I trust the team at Erik's Curisoa to guide the game how they want, and hope they find a great middle ground between players and collectors l.
@kevinlammers5833
5 ай бұрын
Lots of marvel champions content on KZitem.. you guys are still the best. Wish you could play more but understand there are a lot more games that justify your attention. Thanks for playing this week!
@Senjutsuka
5 ай бұрын
Steven and I share a similar grumpy ol man hipster sensibility. I like the same sorts of niche things he seems to. That said I heard a quote from Lorde that made me look at making things in a different way. It went something like this "Making something for a few people is relatively easy, they have a style and you focus there. Making something that appeals to a lot of different people is very difficult b/c somehow you have to find the common thread between so many different types of people." This was obviously about Pop music but I think it applies to something like MTG verse Sorcery. We're having our punk rock moment in TCGs, but it seems the pop bands are starting to launch to chase down the U2 that is MTG. Fascinating to see.
@sixformscg
5 ай бұрын
Another killer livestream. I love these business-related topics. 1000 true fans + purple cow + clear/non-confusing product > 100,000 customers + generic product + highly visible confusing product. The key is to stay cash flow positive until you reach 1000 true fans and not to complicate your product during that process. Not easy to pull off.
@WayOfHaQodesh
5 ай бұрын
Also, I'd love to see TC develop their own lcg or tcg one day, if y'all wanted to tread that road one day. I believe y'all got the experience needed to make a great game.
@Brekekekiwi
5 ай бұрын
I loved their grill game brainstorm podcast video.
@WayOfHaQodesh
5 ай бұрын
Another great TC show with a very interesting topic. Really enjoyed it. Awesome to see y'all streaming games again, which gives me hope maybe we'll see Arkham Horror lcg back on stream one day. Will there ever be a Scarlet Keys and Great of Hemlock Vale investigator boards? Really holding out for these boards to be made and even remade (would love the first Dunwich styled one with the copper patina) as there's nobody out there making custom boards and tokens like TC. Still love my initial Netrunner token set bought over 10 years ago. They're still mint! P.S. Jonathan's audio is sounding as crisp and clear as Steven and Zach's now.
@danielcarlsson615
5 ай бұрын
At last. Sooo I’ve been waiting…………awesome that mc is back ❤
@danielcraig6615
5 ай бұрын
1:44:40 Marvel Champions start. 😅
@michaelmcgee5467
5 ай бұрын
Was great to see you gents back at this for another 'Marvel Monday'. Was hooked on this game since your first stream back in 2019 and watched it religiously...always looked forward to it.
@thenostalgicnewyorker8183
5 ай бұрын
Fellas, this was hilariously good - I was watching and listening to you guys dukin’ it out with the 4 Horseman, while packing up my stuff for The Brandt’s AOA event on Friday in CT. Here in the Big Apple, the winds were howling on Wednesday night - nothing like a tornado watch; but still, was wondering if you made it home safe and sound. Forgot what a salve watching you guys playing MChamps was like during the pandemic. Looking forward to more one day…
@markoclix
5 ай бұрын
Like button smashed because I could hear John
@Direksone
5 ай бұрын
Excellent discussion at the start which is hitting home: I am seeing the company I work for struggle quite a lot the last few years all because the owner and founder has absolutely no business acumen and no strategy whatsoever. On top of this she also does not really allow anyone to do that for her because it's 'her' company. She believes exactly what Zach said: my stuff is better therefore it will be a success and the line has to go up every year, but there is absolutely 0 strategizing going on. I am just here to collect my checks at this point, but it is very frustrating to see nontheless.
@andrewwilson895
5 ай бұрын
Currently watching the Four Horsemen setup. I'm wondering when someone will realize they will be playing both WITH and AGAINST Archangel/Death.
@jdub-replicant
5 ай бұрын
I miss the hunger and open mind of team covenant circa 2016 and before. U guys can still highlight some great games that come across ur table despite not selling it or diving deep into every aspect of the respective game publisher and their origin story…. U guys have generally great taste but the number of collectibles u are driving is definitely noteworthy given ur early philosophy. Last Jedi was fine specifically because of its narrative shakeup.
@thenostalgicnewyorker8183
5 ай бұрын
Hot Damn - Look who’s BAAAAAAAAAACK!?1?
@peterpan5906
5 ай бұрын
❤
@SampleMehard
5 ай бұрын
Where is the FaB content. You two seemed like you loved the game and i enjoyed the tournament recaps and live deck testing. Seems yall quit out of the blue. Sry to post this on this vid. Its just your newest post
@plotinusreadinggroup
5 ай бұрын
Metazoo to the moon!
@zachbaudoin09
5 ай бұрын
Where’s this job posting?
@teamcovenant
5 ай бұрын
You should be able to find all three of them at the top of this page: www.teamcovenant.com/content/blog
@zachbaudoin09
5 ай бұрын
@@teamcovenant ahh can’t relocate to Tulsa! Happy hunting! More marvelous Mondays please!
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