i hate when people say you should've known better like oh yeah sorry i didn't hope into my time machine to five years in the future to see if my fav is gonna do something problematic then
@dreambrush7251
4 ай бұрын
also the people who say "stop putting idols on a pedestal, they're people like us" like ????? i'm sorry but expecting someone to not be associated with someone who was involved in molka is the LEAST decent thing you should expect from any person, celebrity or not wtf
@getem7640
4 ай бұрын
Its more like people need to stop worshipping idols and contributing to a fake parasocial relationship with idols, thinking they owe you something or need to meet your expectations.
@cvyyjg
4 ай бұрын
@@getem7640 I mean...the expectation of being a decent person is the bare minimum you could ask of someone. Not just a celebrity but anyone.
@kia6433
4 ай бұрын
@@getem7640 is it putting people on a pedestal to not expect them to support rapists? I think that’s a rather reasonable assumption
@emberyolremember9216
4 ай бұрын
Cmon, Hyuna was already a walking red flag, yall just chose to ignore it. You don’t need a time machine you need wisdom and common sense!
@jinn8339
4 ай бұрын
Hyuna was one of my favorite soloists, but DAMN. I don’t think my brain is even registering what has happened yet.
@coralskpopcorner
4 ай бұрын
‘Her fans should have know better’, please be real especially in the K-pop industry where every idol has a manufactured presence there is no way of ever knowing who is going to be ‘problematic’ and a bad person. HyunA fans are allowed to be upset with this, it’s heartbreaking for them as they didn’t know, they never would of if she didn’t show it off so proudly. It annoys me when people say this because how is this a gotcha moment for her fans when it’s just her being a bad person? Your fave could be a bad person for all you know, it’s never clear and we shouldn’t blame the fans for it It’s also a shame to see HyunA just burn the bridges of her career (i guess) down, her reputation now will never equate to what it was before and she has done a lot in her almost twenty (?) years in the industry, not defending her cause it was her fault but its sad to see her career just burn. I’ve liked her music for awhile, my bad i didn’t get into my Time Machine and go forward five years to see this happen lol
@milk.8793
4 ай бұрын
YES. like, they always say “don’t get attached “, “we don’t actually know them” yadayadayada.. but you’re telling me…. you’re going around and not allowing yourself to get interested or too involved in an idol’s media presence/ music career??? and always expecting the worst from everyone unless you personally know them, so you won’t get disappointed. and assuming every action, no matter how game changing is some fake ploy. and living every day of your life objectively, always in the grey area… of not knowing if you actually like the person who puts out music you like. no hun, i’m sorry, that’s just not living. 😭 that is some deranged, psychotic, apathetic, way of going about kpop or the music scene in general. society has made it hard to live that way, and pretty much our brains have too. but if they can actually say they aren’t even the slightest attached to the person that puts out their fav music, and don’t expect them to be at least some decent form of a human being… then… congrats…? 💀
@evenif7431
4 ай бұрын
It takes a lot of mental strength to accept that someone you admired and loved is not who you thought they were and to let go of them.
@Taejiu
4 ай бұрын
A lot of what I've seen happen to people with Hyuna is like what happened to me with Kanye West. Like I was such a huge fan of his for a long time, and then over the past few years he has, well said and done some incredibly distasteful things and I can't separate the art from the artist, so I've since stopped listening to his music, as amazing as it was. Sometimes it stings but you do have to peel that band-aid off. I was also heavily side-eyeing the people who just had to drop a video calling out fans for pushing their beliefs onto Hyuna, if she hadn't laid the groundwork for empowerment in her music prior? Like your first thought in this situation is making a video to attempt to capitalize off her fans being upset? That just felt, scummy to me.
@cleeks5549
4 ай бұрын
That second part irritated me so much. A k-tuber who shall remain nameless posted this smug opinion piece on how Hyuna's fans were stupid for putting a feminist label on her, and for being surprised/disappointed when she didn't live up to that. It's this knee-jerk contrarian position that takes what could be an interesting debate (Should Hyuna be held accountable for this situation by the public? Is she truly a feminist persona? Do fans expect too much from idols?) and ruins it because they only care about stirring up drama.
@dotcom3015
4 ай бұрын
@@cleeks5549 I could have sworn taejiu and the person you’re talking about were friends. But I get what you mean, having a different take is fine but they could have debated whether hyuna was a feminist any time if they were annoyed at the title, but why choose now to focus on that instead of what hyuna actually did
@sliverhalo9286
4 ай бұрын
I love your content!
@twoohoot
4 ай бұрын
Equating the things Kanye ACTUALLY DID AND SAID to a an Idol dating a shitty guy... That is the problem for me here. She didn't do anything malicious or bad... She started dating this guy and somehow now she is Kanye west wtf? The guy is not her personality or values and there still plenty of time for her to state what's going on and if she is going to support him further and this relationship further. She is only human.
@sliverhalo9286
4 ай бұрын
There is no way she didn't know what he did. Her dating him actually shows her true personality bc you realizes idols aren't what they are on screen right?@@twoohoot
@Chuu_Vault
4 ай бұрын
Me with Hyuna when the news broke: 🍑 you better be joking. Me with Hyuna she confirmed the news: I ROOTED FOR YOU, WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU, HOW DARE YOU. Me right now: she's a 31 yr old woman who has known this guys for over a decade, it's her life and the consequences of her actions, will be on her own 2 hands. Also side note: I don't think it's fair blaming A-Ing for this situation, yes there were delulu fans defending her, but i told several people on several occasions on several channels, that the only person to blame for her actions, it's Hyuna herself. And if people wanted to make sure that she was being hold accountable, it's dropping all monetsry support from her. If one of the Fromis_9 members did something like Hyuna did, i wouldn't blink my eyes twice or care that they're my ults of ults, i'll drop them more fast than Pledis drop Pristin.
@nayeonchantix
4 ай бұрын
honestly, I feel like it was easy to get swept up in the HyunA's Not a Feminist train, but, even if not for the same reasons, I've been a fan of people the public views as... disgruntled now. I'm at the point where it doesn't hurt too much anymore, but I remember it hurting like a bitch, so I will say HyunA's fans have impressed me with how fast they've abandoned her. Whether or not they were mistaken about her image isn't so important as how they've genuinely impressed me with their swift response. Many fandoms would try to hold on, yet I have not seen any fans of hers who aren't condemning her actions.
@gaslight.gatekeep.girlboss6476
4 ай бұрын
This is so real. I'm an A-ing, but as someone who also loves metal and rock (where a lot of the most prolific bands also have a very problematic past) I'm used to supporting the art and not the artist
@enzozzne
4 ай бұрын
people's misogyny is reaaaally showing through all of this. it's obvious everyone was just waiting for the perfect moment where they could finally have a justification to say all the horrible things they've BEEN thinking about her for no reason prior, and now are dumping it all; how some people "always hated her" before because of her appearance, her music, (fake) rumours about her, blaming her for things she never did and even implying she never had any impact and was always a filler (which couldnt be further away from reality). what she just did is bad enough on it's own, people have no business going all out and fueling this even more just for the sake of having the pass to freely hate someone.
@rimacho9741
3 ай бұрын
And i hate how they are putting Dawn in the conversation by saying hyuna destroyed his career. He was an adult too when they decide to go public and always defend and respect hyuna so using him to harass her is terrible. Also are the same to complain over his music being overlook because of his now ex but some probably only heard dawndidawn 😢. He's so talented, he deserve people to care for him and for the whereabout of her ex...
@bitterOrangish
4 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree more. As someone who's been an A-ing for around 12 years, disappointment is a completely valid and natural reaction. Acting like the expectation of your favorite artist not dating a criminal, especially with the crimes he committed, was too high of an expectation is absolutely insane. Us (former)A-ings have every right to have expected better from her.
@Hoshining
4 ай бұрын
i completely agree with the GOTCHA MOMENT like kpop fans always do this when any scandal pops up they are like “i always felt something off” i mean how and genuine question how can people know better you know only how much a person can show you and her fans believed what she put forward even tho i wasn’t her fan but a avid listener of music and i did see her as a female icon like the songs or the way she guided new jeans so this came at a shocker and even if she wasn’t a female icon or feminist people were allowed to feel how they did cause as i said people see what they show us even for the dating thing we only knew cause she posted if she didn’t we probably wouldn’t have so yeah that’s my ted talk thank you for reading lol 😂💗
@nicolegulino
4 ай бұрын
Even if H was obviously not a feminist icon, it's not ridiculous that her fans expected her not to openly date a sex criminal bffr. Let them grieve! Not everyone is losing sleep over this or destroying property. It doesn't mean that they're not allowed to be disappointed.
@enzozzne
4 ай бұрын
THANK YEEEEEW, people who say these are new into kpop and have no idea of who hyuna was and want to rewrite history as if she always constantly gave away clues that she might do what she did, that she was never about empowerment or feminism, or that she never stood/spoke up for important matters that other idols simply couldnt... those simply arent truth at all, she WAS a heavy cultural icon for a reason. maybe looking back ofc somethings will be viewed in a different perspective but before all this happened we just couldnt have known, but people just want to erase everything and pretend as if she was a monster all along and an industry flop.
@mandysaster
4 ай бұрын
I really liked HyunA , she was one of my favorite soloists in all kpop, one of the few of them actually, so it's frustrating to know that a singer you admired burnt the bridge and all her career on kpop is.... terrible. The singer that told me about self-love is doing now the exact oposite i imagined. I hate that.
@bbi2.052
4 ай бұрын
I so glad I’m not the only one who noticed the weird “gotcha” moment from K-pop stans. Even if I agree, we’re really focusing on that? Why are we blaming the fans for perceiving her a certain way? Even taking this whole thing a step further by pretending it Isn’t EXTREMELY weirdo behavior to date your friend’s, ex? (Especially knowing that she took her own life?) knowing that man should be a registered SO? I feel like we are so used to blaming fans for literally everything that we misdirected our anger. Yes we shouldn’t idolized idols, but like the name, it is quite inevitable.. like bro?
@chyane2314
4 ай бұрын
This is exactly why that one ktuber’s video rubbed me so wrong I was a casual Hyuna listener and even I saw what she was pushing out and saying and them basically saying oh she never did that you all lied to yourselves was such jarring gaslighting
@dreambrush7251
4 ай бұрын
It's actually kinda maddening how many in this community speak with such confidence on something they might not understand entirely and it basically come off just as you described :-/ not sure why people lack nuance this much
@deafbratzchannel888
4 ай бұрын
I hope you don’t delete this video cause this is a perfect example of disappointing as a fan with the details of why I feel grief. Same mind, great alike.
@stephanieb5120
4 ай бұрын
I’ll be honest I did do some ranting about kpop stans projecting when the news broke. I was mostly thinking about how people basically created a kdrama narrative about her where she betrayed her best friend Goo Hara (when it’s uncertain how close they were and people were conflating two different men Hara dated etc.) kpop is full of people using projections to wrap their heads around complexities and that often leads to the spread of misinformation and it really irritates me. After the dust has settled , I do really feel for Hyuna fans. They really didn’t do anything different than any other group of kpop fans. Also sometimes people can do good while going on to do messed up shit. Some of the most outspoken #MeToo victims would go on to be exposed as abusers themselves. Life is complicated and you shouldn’t get too wrapped up in a public figure but also … I feel like we are expecting people to be psychic and deeply cynical about everything and that’s no way to live either. I’m also really not amused about how it’s become open season on any idol that talks about feminist issues. “They’re just another Hyuna!!” I’m sure some of them do it for clout (although people really underestimate how much bravery it takes for an idol to talk about feminism in Korea where you can get your CDs burned if you’re spotted reading a feminist book!) But if the new order of the day is to dogpile on and hate any idol who talks about social justice issues … then don’t start crying if they refuse to weigh in on a social justice related event in the future.
@joannar2079
4 ай бұрын
your second paragraph about people doing good but then doing messed up things is SUPER true, i unfortunately feel like a lot of fans never get to this level of nuance. it doesnt excuse her actions but it shows that things are less simple than "she was never a feminist icon and always was against women in this way"
@ND-kh5yw
4 ай бұрын
@@joannar2079 thats right. Hyuna i think has been fighting demons her whole life. As lots of us do. Sometimes we succumb and ive had a bad feeling shes succumbed to something since breaking up with dawn, choosing someone like this guy pretty much confirms it for me.
@bitterOrangish
3 ай бұрын
This 100%. I absolutely despised the weight ppl put on the fact that she's dating Go Hara's ex as if that's more important than the actual crimes involved is gross. Hyuna's boyfriend's association with the burning sun scandal shouldn't come second to some petty drama like that.
@percyespeon
4 ай бұрын
i was never a hyuna fan/a-ing, so i can't fully comment on that side of things, but from what i knew of her, she did seem as this feminist icon, esp with people tweeting how certain songs were about her time in the industry and so on. i respected that of her, so it is heartbreaking for her to do this. i don't blame her fans for genuinely liking her in that way because of her feminism and feeling disappointment about this situation. i felt the same with many idols that i distanced myself with that i won't name here because that's not the focus rn. the main thing i wanted to comment on was the "gotcha" thing or just the sentiment of "you should have known better". i LOATHE.... and i mean truly LOATHE when stans bring that out. Like.... sorry that i don't think celebrities/idols are walking time bombs and that i believe someone is who they say they are/are good people. for most people, i believe people are just... people with good and bad things about them. my ult biases are my ult biases because i love them completely as people or at least the people they project themselves to be. idk, it's just too exhausting to believe that someone is secretly a bad person who is hiding who they truly are/what they truly believe. i just can't do it even for regular people so why should i do that for celebrities? and to those people (who are also stans of other people for the most part) who are like "i always expect that/think idols are secretly bad people".... then why do you stan them? why do you give them money/your attention if you think they are a walking time bomb of a scandal? if you know they will disappoint people, then why be invested? if you are that cynical, surely you wouldn't develop parasocial relationships at all? some might say "oh but i know MY FAVES won't" ...do you? do you truly? we don't know these idols fully so how are your faves any different from mine? that's how parasocial relationships work, you don't know the other person, you like the image they show to others just like how, in this case, a-ings did towards her. i'm really sorry you had to go through all this, esp with seeing people mock you and other fans for taking her values at face value. the focus should purely be on hyuna, not making fun of her fans for genuinely believing in the work she put out and for being a fan of hers. and most certainly the focus should be on junhyung, so that the things he was complicit in isn't forgotten like he's trying to pretend it is with his platform that he shouldn't still have.
@choujimi
4 ай бұрын
I agree! It seems like a pretty exhausting way to go about the world - believing the worst in everyone and always anticipating that they’ve done something bad I think there’s a healthy balance. It’s fine to assume the best in people who present themselves as honest, and it’s always going to sting when it turns out they’re not who you thought they were. Especially for fans who have followed HyunA for many years at this point, I think they deserve time to process what’s happened without being blamed for being surprised by it
@synovelle
4 ай бұрын
Now THIS is the proper take that had to be made.
@musicenthusiast96
4 ай бұрын
Followed her career ever since I was 14. Lol I'm 27 now. I was horribly disappointed by what happened. I just was so distraught, thank you for making a video about this.
@ImrdIstt.SH.
4 ай бұрын
i had discovered hyuna only a couple of months before this happened. i fell in love with her music and listened to it constantly. she became one of my favorite artists. i went to great lengths to get my hands on a particular poster of hers to add to my kpop poster collection. and then this happened. i feel so cheated
@KpopArsene
4 ай бұрын
Instead or being a gotcha moment or blaming fans and I think it kind of relieves Hyuna from the blame of the situation since she was never a “feminist icon” at the end we make the icons and idols, and it’s impossible for her to not be aware of this or know that she as an idol. Her relationship situation is so weird because is obvious, like how can you think that this is gonna work? Her fans had always being on her side, since she left the company and decided to continue her musical career freely, but man junhyung doesn’t get as much backlash because he is not that famous anymore I would say his fans… I simply don’t understand why he still have fans besides having some good songs. They will break up soon either way is unproductive and difficult to keep sucking and stupid relationship. And now is also when people come and said that she always gave them weird vibes and untrustworthy just because of her style but whatever.
@MikuHatsune159
4 ай бұрын
I feel for everyone who is disappointed in someway at people they look at as a role model/idol or simply respect for their craft. I'm unfortunately raised to not ever believe in what people represent and say, so I don't get affected as heavily, but not everyone has that bone in their body. You can be disappointed in someone and finally realize you never knew them in the first place. You can also hold onto the inkling of the false image, because it's all you've known until this point or still hope there's hope. It's a tough situation because there's only so much that you (as the fan or not) can do to rectify and solve the issue at hand, but only Hyuna herself can prove that to us. You are not at fault for someone else's actions or for falling for "a well-made trap".
@kazuverse_
4 ай бұрын
this is a great video but i literally cannot get past the fact you sound literally identical to my english teacher 😭😭
@choujimi
4 ай бұрын
😭😭 how old is your English teacher
@kazuverse_
4 ай бұрын
@@choujimi like 55 😭😭 love ur videos though 🫶
@choujimi
4 ай бұрын
@@kazuverse_ ..&,6:8:):&.),9/‘mdbsgdmasjsl
@Crown1923DC
4 ай бұрын
@@kazuverse_ Damn, your english teacher is a K-tuber? 😂😂
@albarr953
4 ай бұрын
I feel that people attacking fans for having had an emotional attachement to someone in an industry that foments and incentives having emotional attachements to people is kinda stupid of their part. Also, have they never engaged with any type of arts emotionally? People can and will feel upset if they discover that the person or people that made the art that they enjoyed and had a place sentimentaly in their lives has done anything like this, even if they acknowledge that logically you didn't know everything about them.
@lunisenlilja
4 ай бұрын
i feel like i've been let down so many times by people i've idolized that i just can't trust any celebs anymore. it has made me grow apart from kpop even tho i still listen to the music sometimes. it's heartbreaking to realize that you don't actually know anything about someone you've looked up to and loved for a long time
@ugh7813
4 ай бұрын
Ohhhh I needed this video!
@carolinesch.
4 ай бұрын
These comments about how hyuna was never a Feminist or anything like that are so crazy for me, like do we see the same Artist/music !? Like hello? It's insane to me to make this one of These "See? You can't trust artist Image and all this parasocial relationshis" moments
@dreambrush7251
4 ай бұрын
I feel like a lot of this discussion was hijacked by people who either are just a casual listener who haven't gone into her as much or people that only wanted attention because this is/was a trending topic, despite not knowing anything about Hyuna. I kinda hate the fact that the "Hyuna was never a feminist" argument is basically downplayed to "she never gone on march with other feminists on the street", like of course she's not gonna do that, doing this sort of stuff as a public figure in Korea is gonna ruin your career most of the time, look at that idol that was only reading a book on feminism and she got a lot of backlash for it from knetz. Hyuna was basically supporting women in other ways throughout the years. The argument is honestly comparable to "JK Rowling never said anything transphobic therefor she is not a transphobe" despite her praising and being associated with anti lgbt public figures and funding anti trans women shelters. You can be a bigot without saying "I hate the gays" word for word. Just as you can be a feminist without doing stereotypical feminist stuff.
@HectorH-M
4 ай бұрын
Hyuna knew where she was getting herself into
@Venaigrette
4 ай бұрын
You've expressed everything that has been on my mind as a long term fan of HyunA and Kpop at large. I was initially surprised at my response which was immediate grief/denial. But then I remembered HyunA was a very large part of that of my formative years, when I was very much an awkward girl. This one goes too far, it honestly haunts me that Goo Hara is unfairly related to this whole mess.
@sukaitodd2510
4 ай бұрын
Amazing work, Choujimi! Firstly, thank you so much for creating a safe space for former a-ings, like me. Because, I feel like as you said the image we came to known her for was somewhat of a female empowerment (or even feminist?) icon. And, I think it's wrong for people shame former fans, literally former being the key word for feeling hurt, heartbroken, infuriated, and betrayed (in every sense of the word, really) by her choices. I mean, I know she's a grown woman who is ultimately the only one who will face the consequences of her actions. However, it's still cruel to blame former fans of hers for her choices. It's not at all, a "gotcha" moment, as you said. It's genuinely a disheartening time in K-Pop. I'm not saying, some fans weren't a bit delusional but some of that can be contributed to her own projections in the industry and even speaking out about NewJeans and other situations. So, all in all, before the comment gets any longer than it already is. I agree. Great work. And I think we former a-ings deserve some lenience and a little more respect. Like, none of us are psychic. Let's be able to grieve this loss of a once amazing K-Pop idol in peace. Sorry for how long this comment is. Thank you to anyone who reads this comment. Stay safe and former a-ings, you're not alone. You're not the only one. (Spider-Verse quote).
@revolrtol
4 ай бұрын
the " you should have known better" type of comments are so unproductive and kind of puts the blame on the fans??
@hagpill
4 ай бұрын
hmmm in kpop fans don’t have much to go off of about their favs aside from mostly the art they make and how they act on shows or on social media. i can’t blame HyunA fans for painting her in this feminist limelight because shes expresses herself in her work in an industry where most people dont and has stood up for women before. we really should never assume too much about idols in this industry ig
@gyubadoobee
4 ай бұрын
It's just so weird that someone I've looked up to could do something like this.
@5autumndream
4 ай бұрын
I don’t have a lot to say I think everyone in the comments is way better at explaining, and I agree. I’m really happy I got to listen to your thoughts, her fans are the most disappointed if anything.
@crushedmilkshake6690
4 ай бұрын
i honestly hate the sentiment of "oh, fans should know better than to expect idols/celebrities to be good people" like yes, obviously fans shouldn't expect idols to be saints, humans make mistakes all the time but decent human beings? I shouldn't be made to feel stupid to expect idols or anyone in general to just be a decent human being. it's weird.
@joannar2079
2 ай бұрын
this tbh. i think the "we don't know celebrities, theyre just humans stop idolizing them" crowd has actually ironically gone an opposite direction with their critique? they keep emphasizing that we should not expect celebrities to be good people, but as a human, i expect fellow humans to be decent as a default. not the best people, but decent. celebrities are human, and fall into that- you cant put celebrities on a pedestal but putting all of them in hell doesnt make sense either, lol
@sheonyx
4 ай бұрын
thank you for condensing my thoughts into a cohesive ramble. it's incredibly hard to let go of the perception i had of hyuna as a teen, but at the end of the day she chose a vile and disgusting person over the millions who looked up to her, and i won't support her further.
@sophietessier8998
4 ай бұрын
i was super shocked at first and disapoited and just like icky feeling all over. But noww that i have digest the info, i kinda think this is too much hate onto hyuna. i don't support her anymore and what she did isn't okay and the guy is a piece of shit. But the way people have been talking about her lately isn't acceptable either. Like they don't care about the issue, they just wanna hate on someone and not look any deeper about what it mean about our socity and about hyuna legacy and message to young girl. In a way i wish the hate hyuna is getting would be given also to all the male idols who are friends and still hang out with the perpretor of the burning sun scandal but get not hate and no shade for it. Because they are "just" men and we expect better from women but this feel like an other type of mysoginy. Instead of talking about why it's wrong. People slut shame her and talk about cheating on her ex, while the real issue sould focus on the lack of justice to the victim of burning sun and lack of punition to all the culprid. And most of all how these guys are out there living their life without almost any consequence, while their victim is scars for life. When we speak right now seungri is living his best life dating multiple women and still has fan and supporter.
@choujimi
4 ай бұрын
I agree with this a lot - I think for a-ings, this is especially difficult to process because the criticism of HyunA *immediately* went too far, as if they’ve been looking for a reason to tear down who she was or what she represented for people
@hameedas4088
3 ай бұрын
If you f*ck around with a man whor* , despite knowing his character,you deserve the hate.I wonder if you would have the same opinion if you didn't idolise her too much.Would you date an literal ahole who hid a sex*ual off*ence crime??? Would you think that it's alright to not report r*pe??? What the hell is wrong with your moral compass???
@Jessi-44
4 ай бұрын
I totally agree each of these points. Let’s not go about this by acting like that both International fans and Korean fans of Hyuna weren’t absolutely blindsided by this. Honestly, not every celebrity/idol issue needs to be a ‘Gothcha!’ moment. Like it’s okay to be shocked and upset, and no you don’t have to pretend that knew all along because at the end of the day, it’s not going to change the seriousness of it all. Junghyun is utterly disgusting and is just as guilty as the rest of them, and Hyuna has destroyed her career and reputation by association. There’s no justifying it.
@Raptaria
4 ай бұрын
I don't think it's any more complicated than the contemporary state of Kpop fandom showing itself. The Kpop fandom landscape is very much susceptible to bandwagoning and brigading against "your disgraced faves." This is just the same dynamic you see everywhere else on social media. The way that boy and girl groups fandoms attack one another on twitter in smear wars, the way so called "fans" will be at both you and your idol's throats for simply existing in comparison/juxtaposition to their own. People are just ready to pounce on the "enemy team" to gain a false sense of moral high ground- when for all they know, their faves are equally problematic behind the idol facade. I don't expect civility, nuance, or any sort of media literacy from netizens anymore. This situation with HyunA is just another example of why. - thoughts of a fellow grieving a-ing.
@auliamate
4 ай бұрын
I could best equate the reaction to HyunA’s controversy to when a big KZitemr or person online is exposed to be a less than savoury person (or an outright threat to society). The constant “you should’ve knowns”, “why did you even support them?” and “how did you not sees” launched at former fans is insane! The thing is, WE CANNOT PREDICT SOMETHING LIKE THIS! No one saw Hyuna deciding to be with He Who Doesn’t Deserve To Be Named, much less try to lift him back into the K-pop zeitgeist from which he was thrown out for GOOD REASON. Just like how no one saw, say, Jonathan Majors being an alleged sex offender, or Ezra Miller being a pedophile, or the entire Burning Sun group chat EXISTING. We, especially fans, cannot foresee our favourite creators, artists, and personalities deciding to do bad things. I’d say only 15% of all “whoops! Turns out they’re actually a horrible person” situations actually present signs that something bad is cooking. It’s incredibly rare, and when it does happen, it’s incredibly hard to spot! I never really listened to HyunA (I got into K-pop via TWICE, EXO, and TOMORROW X TOGETHER, the only full time soloist I really listen to is like, one Taeyeon song (is BIBI K-pop? I listen to only The Weekend and MILLI Remix of that song) 😂 since TWICE solo EPs do not count here) but I don’t blame people who listened to her for not seeing something none of us could’ve. We’re on the outside looking in. TLDR HyunA said it herself, she’s not cool (I stole this joke off Instagram, but it lowkey slaps as an ending to my overly long tangent) Edit: she may have done something unacceptable, but she ate that choreography. Like I lowkey wanna check it out now but she’s been sent to K-pop turbo-hell 😂😂😂😂 so I think I’ll just watch the MVs for Super Lady and Panorama again 💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻
@typhonxyz
4 ай бұрын
Every time I hear someone say that Hyuna wasn't ever a feminist I'm reminded of that song she wrote about being taken advantage of by the people who were supposed to be furthering her career. Granted, she might not have been a feminist but I highly doubt she appreciates the way the world is and she has called it out before. That's enough for me to appreciate her career as it has been, but not enough for me to appreciate her as she is now. Maybe I've never experienced "true" love, but this is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen a kpop idol do. Not just for her career but for her whole image. Knetz probably hate her since the burning sun scandal is so hated, so I'm wondering how she plans to move about Korea without getting mobbed. But maybe I'm just too american 🤷♀
@dibidibidis3367
4 ай бұрын
Idk how to say this but I’m kind of waiting for ( or more so curious) In 10 or so years when stuff like this comes out about current big idols, I wonder how the same people who are hating on HyunA now would react when an idol they probably Stan does something similar or worst.
@tiredbylife.5589
4 ай бұрын
4minute was and will always be my favorite K-Pop group. They were the first group I followed since debut. Like I was there when Hot Issue was released. I saw Beast exist and I was so angry when Junhyung did what he did. I was there when he dated into Hara too. Now...I already wasn't sure about her after how 4minute ended (it was clearly messy) and for years Hyuna seemed to be the biggest 4nia, but it felt weird how they ended. Now, dating Junhyung is just ao weird and awful. Like, he dated your late best friend and it didn't seem like a good breakup AND he was linked to one of the worst scandals ever. I still don't understand why she chose him. Like why? I was rooting for her and stood by her along with following the other girls. It just hurts. After seeing so many 2nd gen groups reunions I wanted a 4minute reunion but...I can't. I can't support her anymore. I do art/artist seperation My comment is a mess but I felt like I could share my feeling here without people being like "jow could you have not seen the writing on the walls". Sorry that I don't know all of her personal life and who she is as a person 100%
@bagofcorn7434
4 ай бұрын
HyunA was an integral artist, I listened to her till I became an adult. She always had this energy about her which why many people did label her as a girls girl, which we now see isn't true. The good she did prior to this won't be ereased but her right now really is not it. This whole situation felt like such a low blow to her whole fanbase. I had to rip out the first few pages of my sketchbook it's all just her. I hope something good comes out of all of this and people at least learn a lesson.
@minnies-verse
4 ай бұрын
LMAO, I was kinda confused at first bc/ I haven’t seen/heard much ppl ‘blaming’-for lack of a better term-Hyuna’s fans. But wow, it seems that’s the common consensus on YT. And I think you summed up why this take is so annoying because, instead of discussing why it’s problematic to proudly stand by an abuser, they’re… talking about why fans shouldn’t be mad? Anyways, it’s normal and fine to have parasocial relationships (as long as you’re not getting obsessive lol) and ppl acting like it’s not are usually coming from a ‘holier-than-thou’ standpoint.
@Dissmiss2013
5 күн бұрын
She’s still my IDOL. Idk about y’all
@joannar2079
4 ай бұрын
well said. i still consider myself a fan of her music/artistry but i am not following her as an artist anymore and won't plan to monetarily support her substantially. despite me being disappointed in her, the slut shaming i see towards her now is rubbing me the wrong way ? "oh you guys thought hyuna was a feminist icon just because she sexualizes herself haha" is the worst take ive seen as of late. i wish people were less disingenuous. i also wish a bit more accountability was placed on junhyung, but overall im glad that we- her fans, former or not are denouncing what shes doing right now instead of brushing it aside. i think its stupid to pretend that there was some big clue about her that we as fans should have "known better." you can say that about a lot of things in life. we dont have time machines and we cannot read minds. we just need to take our knowledge right now and move on with it.
@siohead9021
4 ай бұрын
Also its truly unfair to people who were big fans because they are already hurting, so this is just piling on
@ArbitraryDPZ
4 ай бұрын
I think this the situation says more about Hyuna's judgment than her morals. You always want to believe that if someone you care about commits an atrocious act that you will cut them off completely... until it actually happens. That's when rationalization starts. She's known Junhyung since before the Burning Sun scandal. Who knows why she decided to date him after the fact? Maybe she thinks he's changed. Maybe she's willing to forgive him since he wasn't one of the direct purposes. Maybe she considers it a one-off mistake and thinks he's actually a good person. Maybe it's just raw infatuation overpowering reality. There are a multitude of possibilities. I don't know. What I can say is that if I were sitting across a table when she told me that, my reaction would be "are you really sure this the kind of person you want to date?" That's just my take though. I haven't really seen anyone saying that.
@chengetaimubaiwa2239
4 ай бұрын
Well i think this should be a learning experience in the sense that as fans, we ought to put some distance between ourselves and these idols. Coz at the end of the day, we don't know these people. We only know what they want us to know and see what they want us to see, and that's probably the case with HyunA. K-pop is built on selling an image. It's like what guys said. She built her image on Women empowerment and feminism but has she really done anything to advocate for women publicly outside of her music? But I'll be honest people should be disappointed in her especially when she's a public figure. Her even dating the guy is an insult to the victims of the Burning Sun Scandal. If she wanna date the brutha, then she is within her rights. But at least we know what we need to know and where she stands. I mean given how big the Burning Sun Scandal was, she at least knows about it
@Saraht4
4 ай бұрын
Make a video about the kpop group Blackswan!
@Proserpherity
4 ай бұрын
Ok I will be honest I was also thinking that we should not project these idols what they sing for but if someone is doing something for year will that person's work will never affect their thoughts the slightest? I know that feminism is actually seen as worst thing in sk but I can guess that these female idols can get sneaky with their works and image and can support it without claiming that they are feminist. I was going back and forth with this thought but I am now in full confirm that yeah I was wrong HyunA has a image atleast she should have really really thought of her fans what the heck will happen and she can't ask support for them (refering to her insta deleted comment for asking support.) And yes some of us can't separate the art from artists and that should be fine and respected.
@Steve-Daichi-Ishimatsu
4 ай бұрын
I was never a fan of Hyuna or any specific idol I was a fan of kpop as a whole but I guess I don’t see a problem with her dating this new guy who cares who she dates
@oohnada
4 ай бұрын
Hes a criminal
@vanillagray3367
4 ай бұрын
totally disagree. hyuna was NEVER a feminist icon. what exactly has she done for feminism and is it really feminism? you mentioned that she’s done a lot of things but exactly what? how does co writing hobogoblin make her a feminist?? she has never has come out as one. her art is separate from who she is as a person. this is what fans have projected onto her. if this is what we consider feminism, we have a long way to go as a society. read kimberly crenshaw’s books and you’ll see what actual feminism is.
@china6310
4 ай бұрын
Wait, what heppened to hyuna?
@my8O8
4 ай бұрын
she's dating a former beast/highlight member who was involved in burning sun scandal, he received videos of woman being r*ped and with his own words, he thought it wasn't a big deal and didn't said anything
@alcidesprieto1967
3 ай бұрын
She was dating a major figure in the burning sun scandel or something
@beepboop449
4 ай бұрын
this is exhausting. nobody knows anything about her relationship or anything more than the information release about her new boyfriend. a lot of this is based in pure assumption, speculation, and self righteousness. i’m gonna keep listing to hyuna and im not going to cry over something that doesn’t affect me.
@choujimi
4 ай бұрын
I don’t blame you at all for continuing to listen to her music, but what about this situation is assuming or speculative? We don’t need to know the goings-on in their relationship to make a judgment about this situation. I expressed this at 6:20
@pigeondance
4 ай бұрын
really nice genuine video that actually shows humanity and not "ooh your favs fucked up" "ooh my favs are perfect". I really liked that, it's raw and real. but I just wanna say, you shouldn't be speaking on hyuna's connection to feminism and women empowerment. as a man I assume or at least amab person you'll never feel what we feel or understand what's truly empowering to women. listen to what actual women say about it. thanks
@twoohoot
4 ай бұрын
Im sorry to everyone... But I will never leave Hyuna. Her music has been therapy to me for years... But the thing is... If she comes back apologize for her ways and state what was going trough her head. There is a redemption there? Hyuna can not end. And will not end just because of misdoings from a guy she dated..
@nuestfan5621
4 ай бұрын
i ued to like her a lot during 4minute and kept following her after the disbandment though with time i kept losing interest in her because i didnt like her new style but still rooted for her and dawn but after her new relationship nopp goodbye ps: i never understood how she was feminist most of her songs and choreo are very sexualized, making out on stage, twerk, shake her butt, having her whole body being touched by her dance partners (hyunseung) etc. she was an icon there is no doubt but she was never a feminist
@joannar2079
2 ай бұрын
... embracing one's sexuality isnt a bad thing and does not make someone NOT a feminist lol what, feminism supports the de-policing of women's sexuality to let them do what they want on their own terms criticize her but at least do it for actual reasons
@Raphael-2
4 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who doesn't care about who she's dating and all ? I mean I know I'm not the only one, her Instagram post has over 1M likes... but why do I only see people being upset or straight up hateful ? It makes no sense. She's publicly dating a guy that did something bad years ago. She's in love and she decided to share it, I think that means a lot. Like, seriously if you're not happy then be it but the least you can do is just trust her. Ahe wouldn't share about it if she wasn't proud and sure about the guy.. I feel like people are being extremely dumb over this situation. Just trust HyunA.. I can't wait for her new music and comeback. She's just in a bad pass like she did in the past it's not new people will get over it.
@Raphael-2
4 ай бұрын
@@user-ws5bs6nr2f I think it's a choice, I choose to believe, trust and support HyunA. If you're capable of thinking that she's simply that stupid and insensitive, maybe you could also imagine that she was being blackmailed into making their relationship official or something. Either way, there is surely an explanation for this decision of hers. Why would I suddenly believe she's stupid ? It makes no sense to me.
@Raphael-2
4 ай бұрын
@@user-ws5bs6nr2f I'm done with talking anyways. This topic is hot right now, but love is love people will realize it sooner or later. She just wanted to share her happiness. I don't like to share my age but I'm +20.
@beepboop449
4 ай бұрын
@@user-ws5bs6nr2fhe said that IN HIS APOLOGY, as in HE WAS APOLOGIZING FOR NEVER SEEING ANYTHING WRONG AT THE TIME. please read things correctly if u want to use it as a gotcha point
@beepboop449
4 ай бұрын
@@user-ws5bs6nr2fhow old are YOU?
@user-pi3ui6vs8k
4 ай бұрын
in my opinion, unless hyuna says shes a feminist then we shouldn’t hold her up to that standard. I feel like i see this alot ppl use the bare minimum to push a narrative of the idol. i dont blame the fans though.
@DanielRobertsxl
4 ай бұрын
why should she care what we think about who she dates? that's her buisness I assume.
@oohnada
4 ай бұрын
She is the one that posted the picture she wants us the fans to know that she is dating someone and we should be happy for her… she wants everyone to know that dating a criminal is no big deal
@emilyevans7642
4 ай бұрын
Uhhhh she's a grown woman can we as fans stop trying to act like overcontrolling parents? As fans too many people focus on her life when you like their music so just let them live their life even if you think Her relationship is wrong. As fans you should at least be supportive because what matters is she's happy so we should be happy for her.
@choujimi
4 ай бұрын
I would argue that this isn’t at all about wanting to control HyunA. Obviously, we can’t (and shouldn’t be able to) control what an idol does, but that doesn’t make them exempt from their actions having consequences. Especially as an idol, Hyuna no doubt knew an announcement like this was going to have repercussions both domestically and internationally. Blindly supporting her because “she’s happy” would reduce the severity of the burning sun scandal, in which people like junhyung deserve to be held accountable for.
@emilyevans7642
4 ай бұрын
@choujimi you do know he was sent the video and he never touched it? He apologized saying he shouldn't ignore it but there was also ignored reports you don't know if he actually did report it was just ignored it's not like he could just say I did report it was ignored. I don't listen to nig bang if you think I'm saying what happened was ok and I liked that group and their music I just don't see it the same anymore. All I mean by that is people pay too much attention to their lives and them as a person vs what they do which is music and as soon as something wrong happens they should be ruined no matter what. Like people being upset over Chan saying he was planning on getting married and they had a daughter that was due soon people wanted him to be kicked out.
@blossom6693
4 ай бұрын
@@emilyevans7642 he said that he knew but he thought it's not big deal,
@SianaGearz
4 ай бұрын
I was recommended this video without knowing the context, i'm not up on the news. So having googled up things yes i remember the club story, very vaguely... and yet, what gives you lot the right to police whom your favourite idol is dating or not? WTF is that, why do you even get involved in personal matters like that?
@choujimi
4 ай бұрын
Another person said something to this effect, and I’m confused why it seems like this is an effort to police who she dates? Very few HyunA fans ever had a problem with her and Dawn dating. I don’t believe fans should have *any* kind of control over idols. They should be allowed to do whatever and date whoever they want. That isn’t the intention behind this video. Is the problem that fans are upset over this, and that they shouldn’t be allowed to be upset? Given that the circumstances of this directly implicate her fans and supporters who feel strongly about the burning sun scandal, I think the outrage is justified. That’s not getting involved in “personal matters,” the burning sun scandal was a very public and social crisis. This has very little to do with the inner workings of HyunA and Junhyung’s relationship
@DianaRipra
3 ай бұрын
People are allowed to be upset because their favorite idol is dating a criminal 🤷♀️ and not someone who smoked weed or do something minor and get a case in Korea, no no, something more horrible so... Fans are allowed to feel bad about that
@getem7640
4 ай бұрын
If this was so deep to ya’ll, please go touch some grass. This really shows how obsessed ya’ll are about idols. It’s crazy to me how people depend on idols to better their mental health or project their expectations on (in order to feel betrayed). Like please, seek professional help.
@dibidibidis3367
4 ай бұрын
If an artist you’ve liked for years turns out to be a scum bag then your not gonna react well. I grew up listening to HyunA and she was someone I loved while in elementary and middle school, so seeing someone I idolized for most of my childhood doing something this bad is pretty disheartening to me. They have every right to react like this.
@getem7640
4 ай бұрын
@@dibidibidis3367 that’s the problem, people should not be idolizing anyone. Its fine to like kpop and whatnot, but anything more than that is ridiculous. These idols don’t owe you anything, and they especially don’t need to meet anyone’s expectations.
@dibidibidis3367
4 ай бұрын
@@getem7640 And I never said they did, idk you personally so maybe this doesn’t apply to you. But I think most people have had a celebrity or someone they’ve looked up to or at least enjoyed since they where little, now if you do have that person, imagine if that person did something absolutely terrible. Typically, one would be hurt by that. Even artist I listen to/like casually I still get disappointed when I find out they did something bad. For example Ive never been a huge fan of Super Junior, but I’ve always listened to and liked their music, but once things started coming out about all the terrible things the members have done it was sad to hear,
@SBBunny93
4 ай бұрын
Stop taking kpop too seriously. Stop feeding stories like this.
@choujimi
4 ай бұрын
I appreciate the comments you leave on my channel, but you always tell me I need to do something “better” in such a vague way. I can’t tell if you’re just mad at the things I say, or if you’re genuine in your critique? What would you have liked me to have done differently here? I didn’t start this discussion, nor did I move to exacerbate or “feed” the problem even further. I wanted to add my understanding of this situation in a way that I thought could’ve represented HyunA’s fans who were distressed in this moment, and I waited to post this until after the bulk of the controversy had died down. If you are just displeased with the way I discuss things, I’d like to ask you in the nicest way possible to please block or hide my channel from your view.
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