‘It is not a loving act to hold a child so tight you crush it’s bones’
@Caercutta30
5 жыл бұрын
It can be. If an attacker is snatching your kid do you let the child go when his arm breaks or do you hold on and keep fighting?
@db1416
5 жыл бұрын
Caercutta 30 how the hell do you break your childs arm by holding him from an attacker.its a metaphor mate
@rafeverao4105
5 жыл бұрын
@@Caercutta30 You don't hold onto the child, you grab the attacker. Crush _them_ with love for your child.
@MinTea14
5 жыл бұрын
It's a act of murder, actually.
@musiqal333
4 жыл бұрын
Powerful statement!
@Chiheb9
7 жыл бұрын
18:55 explains my experience to a tee. It all started finding out about my sexuality. I thought something was wrong with me, but the more I started to accept it, the more I started to reject religion. I started to see how it mistreated people and how inhumane it is in general. I still keep this a secrect from my family (at home) in order to protect myself, but one day I will truly cut my ties from it and be the free person I deserve to be. Religion (in my case Islam) caused the greatest regrets and fears I've ever experienced.
@TheraminTrees
7 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how things like sexuality can act as an anchor for reality. Once we work out there's nothing wrong with our sexuality - which sadly, of course, some don't - we're faced with the imperfection of the ideology that's been sold to us as 'perfect'. Glad you made it out, and good luck moving forward.
@McCaroni_Sup
5 жыл бұрын
I hope that some day you'll be able to take your mask off without fear of rejection by your society. I noticed that your profile picture is mishima from persona 5, I'd understand why you could relate to him.
@giantdad1661
5 жыл бұрын
@@McCaroni_Sup You too? I can see it too
@arandomuserofdeath2753
5 жыл бұрын
Same here, but with christianity
@NabPunk
5 жыл бұрын
Yaay! I got the hundredth like on such a nice and meaningful comment. I feel for you, even though in my case it was not sexuality, but plain old morality (eventually I had to reject morality all together, somewhat like a Nihilist, but I don't preach it as it is not exactly something that leads to happiness)
@noctarin1516
5 жыл бұрын
I remember, when I left my religion, it was because I had constant thoughts about death and afterlife at night, and what my religion might be fake. And when I went on their internet to comfort myself and make sure Islam is true, my questioning just went further and I was closer to atheism. It was inevitable, I just couldn't stop thinking about it each night. Now that I am atheist though, I never have those thoughts in hte middle of the night and I'm not scared of death anymore.
@jacobnoelle8428
4 жыл бұрын
religion mainly exist because of humanity fear of death
@Imayebrook
3 жыл бұрын
@Bold yup, islam needs to end asap
@sallykamarulzaman7993
3 жыл бұрын
same here! ever since I left islam, alot of my anxiety stopped and i've stopped being extremely scared
@mr.cup6yearsago211
2 жыл бұрын
I’m in this same boat, as well. Used to have horrific nightmares about dying and going to hell, which *mysteriously stopped* a short time after I came to the conclusion that there’s probably no such thing as hell to begin with.
@farahmaswadeh6245
2 жыл бұрын
I was born into a muslim family I completely understand what you're saying...our religion teachers were crazy and pervy and never even taught their own religion correctly which isnt..I used to have so many nightmares when they taught us about the torture that happens when u die after they burry you and how the coffin will keep tightining around you till you die again or some bullshit like that ..I just mourn the hours they spent it schools teaching us dumb shit and ingraining an unbelievable amount of shame in a child..im the only one in my fam whos an atheist..its pretty frustrating but im so glad I had the awareness later on to see for what it is
@fingerboxes
Жыл бұрын
My current roommate is dealing with the issue of having her parents mad at her because she "committed" to their religion as a kid so why isn't she following it now? All I can think when they send her paper after paper from her days in school talking about how much she loved God is that she would never have been allowed to sign a legally binding contract at that age because we all understand that kids aren't developed mentally and can't make informed major life decisions.
@TheraminTrees
Жыл бұрын
That's so familiar. My 'commitment' to Christianity was thrown at me when I revealed my non-belief in my early teens. This from people who, years before, had forced me to carry on attending church when I explicitly told them I didn't like it and I want to go anymore. I wish your roommate well in dealing with this parental doublethink.
@jmalmsten
8 жыл бұрын
I nnow this is slightly irrelevant... but I actually do like the X-design of the party logo...
@TheraminTrees
8 жыл бұрын
Cheers. Was playing around with various politically associated images including a crossed ballot box, then the parallel of the religious cross struck me and I went with it.
@ryanotte6737
5 жыл бұрын
Just now coming to this video, but I too like the design where the cross is rotated by 135 degrees, haha.
@Tunkkis
4 жыл бұрын
Be careful, that's how they get you.
@danielcontos5541
4 жыл бұрын
Me too. It kinda looks like a check mark. How it breaks out of the corner
@boboyamyams
4 жыл бұрын
You MUST like this symbol young one!
@BethanyKay
5 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY THIS. I wish my religious loved ones could stop making excuses for why their church is "different" than this.
@DannyConeHeadOnceLer
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Depressed_Spider
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cecilia-ky3uw Most religions are not different from what is talked about in this video though.
@jimmys6566
3 жыл бұрын
@@Depressed_Spider the video is ridiculous, and not one thing they say against religion can be honestly applied to Christianity
@Depressed_Spider
3 жыл бұрын
@@jimmys6566 TheraminTrees is talking from experience, so yes, it can be applied.
@jimmys6566
3 жыл бұрын
@@Depressed_Spider ah, that's anecdotal which is extremely weak evidence. Teaching your kids that there is no life after death is indeed the real child abuse; to allow them to think that humanity and our DNA coding came from nothing is ridiculous. Why do you think that are atheists more likely to suffer from mental illness than people of faith? It is because of the hopelessness they might experience in this life . . .
@5avan10
8 жыл бұрын
This week, after visiting with my deeply religious extended family, my teenage child thanked me for raising them in an environment free from indoctrination, where they were encouraged to use critical thought and decide for themselves what to believe. I did not have the benefit of such an environment, but somehow I broke the chain, even though it meant great facing disapproval from my extended family. It felt very good to know that my child recognizes and appreciates this fact. It made it all worthwhile.
@TheraminTrees
8 жыл бұрын
Wonderful to hear. Here's to more broken chains.
@mattharazin5578
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheraminTrees You are not free, since only the truth will set you free, and Christianity is true
@anastassia5822
2 жыл бұрын
@@mattharazin5578 don't you ever get the feeling of cognitive dissonance?
@mattharazin5578
2 жыл бұрын
@@anastassia5822 Sure
@anastassia5822
2 жыл бұрын
@@mattharazin5578 so what do you do about it?
@ConfettiCasket
5 жыл бұрын
Sooo that's a no to teaching my future children about how the flying spaghetti monster boiled for our sins?
@ConfettiCasket
5 жыл бұрын
@Time to Reason Eternal boiling for the wicked. Eternal delicious pasta for the holy,
@MinTea14
4 жыл бұрын
Only true pasta lovers co to heaven
@danielconnor8516
4 жыл бұрын
This doesnt apply. We all know the Flying Spaghetti Monster SHOULD be worshipped and the Flying Spaghetti Monster's words are pure and should be followed.
@dirtydan9785
4 жыл бұрын
This is, in fact, discouraged. lol
@magdalenazivkovic4173
4 жыл бұрын
this is completely unrelated but i really like your profile pic
@sketchditty1054
Жыл бұрын
I have such a different experience from people with religion. I never had a problem with it because the way I was introduced to it as a kid. My great grandmother asked me if I wanted to go to church, she didn't force me at all. Around 13 when I didn't like going to church anymore I was allowed to leave with no fuss. My great grandmother loved me just as much as she did before. Even though she was heavily religious she was one of the most open minded and friendly people in the world being one of the most immediately accepting people when my brother came out as trans. This is why I seem to have a differing view on religious people because my great grandmother and even the majority of people in the church were extremely nice and non judgemental. She's battling dementia at the moment, and I'm not able to visit her as much as I should, but I miss her a lot she was one of the biggest role models in my life.
@daniellemurnett2534
2 ай бұрын
I wish you and your family the best. I'm always happy to hear stories like this. Religion doesn't have to tear families and communities apart, and it's a shame so many religious people make it so anyways. Still, no group is a monolith, and I'm glad your community have been kind and accepting.
@cytos1694
8 жыл бұрын
a just society is one you would be prepared to enter at random im stealing this
@marquisdemoo1792
8 жыл бұрын
I too liked it but as a caution I wondered whether you would still enter the 'just society' if you knew it does not work and you would starve? What if there was a less just society where you would have an 90% chance of not starving?
@APaleDot
8 жыл бұрын
The question is nonsensical. In this case, the most just society is _defined_ as the one you would most prefer to enter at random. So, a society where everyone starves would not be a just society. John Rawl's project in "A Theory of Justice", is to balance incentives and equality, so the poor don't drag the rich down with them, and the rich don't leave the poor to die.
@BAwesomeDesign
8 жыл бұрын
I doubt you can steal what was freely given by Theramin Trees.
@marquisdemoo1792
8 жыл бұрын
APaleDot According to that definition, in that one would prefer to enter it, a society where some starve is more just than one where all starve. My point of course is that you cannot assume people would prefer to enter the most just society and the society that people would prefer to enter may not be the most just.
@BattousaiHBr
5 жыл бұрын
it's not his quote though, pretty sure someone else said it. edit: apparently it was John Rawls
@thulyblu5486
8 жыл бұрын
Missouri abduction defense logic: I wanted to protect my son from bullies punching him in the face, so I taught him to avoid it by showing him how bad it is: I punched him in the face every few days and I can assure you that he didn't like that and will avoid that situation whenever he can. Also, I think society doesn't realize just how dangerous nuclear power plant meltdowns can be, so in order to raise awareness I'm planning to ...........
@ARedMagicMarker
5 жыл бұрын
Reason: Missouri.
@historiansayori2089
3 жыл бұрын
Let’s make Chernobyl look like a children’s birthday party 😎 /s
@ekko6539
2 жыл бұрын
@@historiansayori2089 LMAO
@avamasquerade
Жыл бұрын
They're actually the cleanest, most efficient form of energy, but alas, we digress!
@KingRenYen
Жыл бұрын
@@avamasquerade Yeah. I agree "I dont think the world realized how dangerous nuclear war is, so I've decided to cause a riot in North Korea and blame it on the Americans."
@neomp5
8 жыл бұрын
the veil of ignorance thing instantly reminded of doctor who, when the zygons and humans were negotiating a settlement and the doctor temporarily wiped all their memories so they didn't know which side they were negotiating for
@TheraminTrees
8 жыл бұрын
Ah yes - I remember that! See, even the Doctor knows the power of the veil.
@neomp5
8 жыл бұрын
Tenth Doctor: "Any second now, you're going to stop that countdown. Both of you, together." Eleventh Doctor: "Then you're going to negotiate the most perfect treaty of all time." Tenth Doctor: "Safeguards all round, completely fair on both sides." Eleventh Doctor: "And the key to perfect negotiation?" Tenth Doctor: "Not knowing what side you're on."
@BagelIce
Жыл бұрын
I will most likely never understand the pains of being indoctrinated, but it burns my heart to know so many people had to go through this abuse and mistreatment that should've phased out a millennia ago. If anyone who is going through that abuse, I believe in you and I know you can get through it. There is a bright future ahead and I know you will find it one way or another. I know you will find your true home, even if you have to leave some people behind. I believe in you. I hope you will find salvation somewhere.
@Paradox_Edge
10 ай бұрын
You are currently indoctrinated into multiple things. You understand it perfectly well, should you just reflect on yourself.
@Domab.
8 ай бұрын
Indoctrination didn't work on me, because well... I'm an idiot. so honestly, I sat there in church, and I didn't listen at all, or care, it went in one ear and out the other. I just never took it seriously enough to build that foundation around it.
@uncannyplatypus2131
8 ай бұрын
That's hilarious
@snowarmth
8 ай бұрын
Saaaaamme. I was only there because they wanted me to be. I'll smile and laugh and sing but I legitimately did not give a fuck about it. All I cared about was my DS, Pokémon Soul Silver and my family.
@YEY0806
4 ай бұрын
Unfortunately for my parents, I was born as an intelligence user
@ARedMagicMarker
5 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to be indoctrinated by adults into all of their own religions since a very early age. For some odd-reason, my brain just doesn't let me take the bait. I always told them flat out that what they were teaching me made no sense. It took up till age 5 for me to catch on that this "god" thing they kept talking about was baloney because I just never saw him. I thought it was the adult's own grown-up "imaginary friend" that I just couldn't see because he was "their" imaginary friend. I was convinced that I was just not "old" enough yet and when I got older, he would reveal himself. At age 5, I started to see... that these people were one sammich short a picnic, and I told them as much straight to their faces, much to my own parent's embarrassment/amusement. Let's just say ..... the religious adults didn't like me. XD Today, it's the same, except adults are still trying to indoctrinate me once they find I am atheist. It's like they got wind about the one that " slipped through the cracks" and they must finish... by ANY and ALL means necessary what the hive mind started. They are convinced that I am just rebelling, or just was scared away by a few bad apples of the church, or just hate their god. The thing they fail to recognize is... I never was one of them. Besides, I can't hate something that doesn't exist. I was just born with certain family members and dragged to the party on occasion, because a family member saw a wild heathen-spirited child and wanted them indoctrinated post-haste. They saw I was different. They saw I had no fear of their god or their teachings. They saw that I could laugh, play, joke and be carefree and actually participate in being an actual kid most of the time. The more they tried, and the more it just didn't stick and I didn't take them seriously, the more upset they became and they even tried the psychological abuse, shaming, fear, gas-lighting, gang-stalking. They partook in the withholding of information, treats, supplies, playtime, hugs, participation and food, you name it. Sometimes, I was made an example of to the other kids that "this is what happens if you don't shut up and nod along to the obvious phoney baloney we spew." Then they tried to graduate to strait up physical abuse only to realize that might work on their kids... but I ain't their kid. Because I ain't their kid, I had no issue fighting back, kicking, pinching, biting, punching and throwing things like a little hellion like I was taught to do when an adult or anyone was trying to cause me undue harm. Sometimes, I'd just be sitting there coloring, doing homework, or playing with my toys, and they'd just be glaring at me, like "how dare she have fun by not doing Christian kid activities?" In my experience, Xtian kids, at least the ones raised in the more culty households, were boring as SIN. All they did was sit around, talk about the bible, color their religious themed coloring books, sing these creepy brainwashing songs in a circle, and watch these dry/cheesy xtian programing that made me want to kill myself from boredom. If they watched tv and some character was meditating or doing yoga, fiddling with some wee-gee board, or was wearing a yin-G-yang, or a "broken cross", aka peace sign, they were going to hell. Gleefully assuming who is going to burn in agony for all of eternity is seriously a fun game for xtian kids, because that's all they hear their parents talk about. Sometimes, the religious friends and family would visit my house, I'd be sitting there minding my own business, reading my "secular" books and playing my "demonic" video games and watching my "worldly" tv. They'd just stare, and stare and STARE at me with these glazed-over eyes like I was their prey that was behind a glass wall that they couldn't get to. It all came to a head one day, they couldn't be silent and kept away forever, and one aunt just came over harshly scolded me for playing with a "demonic" toy that she off handedly commanded that I "put down at once". I thought she was playing around, so I began playing with it again. Until she slapped me as hard as she could. (It was a large 90's Power Rangers robot. The Megazord one). Beetleborgs was also my shit, who basically were bug-Power Rangers, and she didn't like that either. She didn't even like Barbie, and though I didn't own Cabbage Patch dolls, she thought even they were "demonic". With everything being "demonic", it's a wonder most xtian kids don't just sit and watch a wall all day, but I guess even that could be considered "witchcraft" if you spin it right enough. Aunt Dorris was a distant, visiting aunt during a family lake trip, and she didn't quite get the memo that I was not one of those kids that got beat, and was not trained to just sit there and take it. So, with that being done, and as a reflex, I slammed the heavy "demonic" toy right in her face, chest and back of her head over and over again as hard as I could until she left the room. Let me tell you, when she slapped me, she slapped me to the point where my face ate the carpeted floor, my teeth bit into the inside of my mouth, and I felt my neck twist sharply and I was seeing spots. My personality is far more fight over flight/freezing up, and because I did absolutely nothing wrong, I just let her have it. She cried like a baby when my dad yelled at her and right in her face for assaulting me over a toy he bought with his own cash. She couldn't even make up a lie and say I was being "bad" or something. She just point blank told my dad she struck me because of a toy she didn't like that was demonic and was "not for little girls". Oh, yeah, xtian kids tend to be very, very, very segregated with the types of toys they can play with, the boys especially. Nothing pink for them whatsoever. She was in a complete frenzy, purple-faced, sobbing and shaking, and I couldn't help but question if she were the "demonic" one. Her anguish at getting hit back by a kid and having no one back her up, I thought she was going to start walking on walls and spitting pea soup, she was that hysterical. That probably never happened to her before to be honest. I will never forget how she stopped her sobbing and stopped short as if she had been hit with an arrow in the back when my dad said I was right to defend myself. My dad of all people was just not amused at their methods. Because the toy was heavy and it actually did do quite a number on her face, head and hands, Dad told me not to hit Aunt Dorris again, but instead to run and let him know if she did it again. Her slap did leave a bruise, and it was my first introduction to a thing called "makeup concealer" so I could cover it up. I could tell my dad thought me bashing my aunt over the head with a toy was funny, and he was only saying to not hit her again because my mom was listening at the time. He didn't like Aunt Dorris and Aunt Dorris didn't like him, because he was a "heathen" as well. Aunt Dorris of course ran and told everyone in her little church and anyone who would listen about the ordeal. Telling my parents that I needed to be beat, controlled, sent to a religious school and taken out of my schools I liked so much, that I was going to end up in jail, to spare the rod, pride cometh before a fall, "if she were my kid", this, and "if she were my kid" that. Well, I'm not your kid, thank jebus, and the universe. Thankfully, most of my family is not this way, but I've hung around lots of other people in my family to know that religion is NUTS. I want no part of it. My mom may not be perfect, she may be a narc, she may have some religious residue herself from her own family but I thank my lucky stars that I wasn't born to one of my many religious aunts and uncles, and that my non religious dad wasn't putting up with any of their nonsense. To this day, I can respect those who are religious... but most of the time, it always boils down to the predictable and the inevitable, they WILL try to convert me. Then the cycle starts aaaaaalll over again. I've learned my lesson, and as far as the very religious people go, I tend to just keep my distance. No good has ever come from me blending in with hyper religious folks. They pull some of the most outlandish, sinister, wtf things behind closed doors that most people not familiar with them will not believe, or will not want to believe. Heck, some of the people who witness this every day, or even have a hand in it themselves will try and shut you up, or say you are just "exaggerating". But I will tell you every single diabolical thing they pull is true, and it must be known, no matter how questionable their actions sound. It is 100% real. Some kids born into these religions and cults have been through more unbelievable, mind-numbing, over the moon stuff than you can even imagine, all in the name of some sky thing. When they say they are not of "the world", they mean it... they are clearly not on Earth, they're on planet Wackadoodle. Far, far, far, far away in a dimension where space is a purple ocean of space jam...orange flavored, planets are upside down sky-blue pyramids, and they rotate around a glowing block of cheese like a 90's computer screensaver. That's where they are, and they ain't coming back. Don't believe the smiles and the fluff, pretty songs, watered down Sunday school, occasional free food, the charity (which is mostly out to help their own), and "good news". Something sinister lurks behind all of that. I know what it looks like, and I will talk about it when I can, because some things need to be said about these kinds of people. The shit they have gotten away with, and continue to get away with is just too much. Stay away.
@SerDerpish
5 жыл бұрын
The Red Sterling Mc'Bae you are my hero. I am sometimes racked with guilt over how I allowed myself to be so complacent for so long (I am 34 years old) to the point where I feel I am overly complacent in all aspects of life, not just religion. I am just now starting to learn how to think critically again and often find myself wondering why I accepted so many things at face value until well into adulthood when the many flaws in them are so plainly visible to me now. I feel like a broken, useless cog in a wheel manipulated into wasting his life for the sake of making someone else lots of money and power at the expense of my youth, mental well-being, and credit report. It’s good to know you won’t experience anything like that.
@gastaprasta9596
5 жыл бұрын
I loved your story, heck, I chuckled a little!
@vwertix1662
4 жыл бұрын
That was a trip
@akshay4107
4 жыл бұрын
True Malad right here
@redpillsatori3020
4 жыл бұрын
@@SerDerpish... Same here
@jovi_monet
Жыл бұрын
For me, that conflicting idea was gender identity. I went through years and years of self-hatred, torment, self-harm, and even a suicide attempt. Five years later, when I informed my parents that I am a trans woman, they removed my bedroom door and spouted that I would be punished. The religion they believe in has a belief that *parents* will be punished should their children's beliefs not align with the church's. Two years after that, my parents and siblings are no longer in my life. A few months ago I sent them a letter asking them not to contact me anymore, packed up my bags, and flew 4,000 km away. It has been a hard year, but I have tasted real joy and love since leaving. I have moved in with my long-time long-distance partner. I know what I was missing, and that is equally painful and beautiful. To anyone reading the comments and watching this video not because you're already on the other side, like me, but you're unsettled and unsure and *fighting* with yourself, know that I've been there. Something inside you knows that something inside you is a lie.
@Yellowstable212
11 күн бұрын
You are a strong person
@michaelkornblum2917
5 жыл бұрын
I consider myself to be highly fortunate. I was born with cerebral palsy, and during my childhood, my parents had me undergo a program of rigorous physical and mental exercises that allows me the ability to function as an independent adult today. This program had to be conducted eight hours a day, seven days a week, and required volunteers from all walks of life. As a result, my first exposure to those outside my family, consisted of a truly beautiful and diverse group of people, not all of them coming from my own cultural background. The diversity I experienced in my childhood, however would have an interesting side effect that allowed my young mind to rebel against attempts of indoctrination. In yeshiva (a Jewish parochial school), I once asked my Rabbi, "if we (the Jews) were the chosen people, why did God waste his time creating everyone else?" You could imagine that didn't go over very well. I still consider myself to be Jewish, but I see it more as a conscious choice. I don't buy into the politics of my faith, and as an individual, I see some aspects of it's dogma to be just plain wrong. At the end of the day, all religions serve as a social construct that's needed in some human lives to give it definition. Provided that we can ferret out the abuses that some people engage in, while hiding behind scripture, it may be possible to live and let live ... with love.
@downsjmmyjones101
5 жыл бұрын
@Michael Freed My favorite question that I never asked until a couple years ago was "Why were we created at all?" or "Why were we given free will if we would be punished for using it?"
@kristinepinlac2796
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the insight, this really helped me out a lot! I've identified as an agnostic for almost 4 years now and I've been raised in a very religious and conservative household in an even more catholic and conservative country (Philippines). I can say with absolute certainty that for most of my life (even in my school) I've been heavily indoctrinated. It sucked tbh ahaha You're a wonderful human being and I hope you have a nice day/night ✨✨
@abba9265
Жыл бұрын
I’ve scrolled through all these comments, and yours has been the most (and perhaps only) nuanced take
@elijahhernandez906
7 ай бұрын
Holy hell, as someone with cp myself & had the privledge of meeting all types of people, it is wonderful to see someone like me here. Granted I was baptized catholic twice. I never had to be chained to a certain religion. Rather free to explore & learn as much as I could. I agree it is a social construct but I do think there is something out there good & divine watching everything. It may not be the god or goddess descrided by religion but there has to be something. Have you ever had any paranormal encounters?
@aldenheterodyne2833
5 жыл бұрын
My mom tried to give me her religion. My dad was rather 'meh' about religion. It was more of a social gathering for him. I remember being in Sunday school and learning the same things over and over. I wanted to learn different things. I asked questions, and never got good answers. I grew to despise the phrase "God works in mysterious ways" and so, being the stubborn 5-7 year old that I was, I threw a fit every time I was made to go to church. It didn't help that I was made to wear girly clothing to church at a time when I was just beginning to realize that maybe I didn't want to be a girl. My mom finally relented and went to church without me. Years later, as a tween and teen, they attempted to bring me back by doing Harry Potter themed activities when I was extremely into Harry Potter. I suspect my mom asked the Sunday school teacher specifically to do that for me- but that could be a little egocentric of me. Years later, in my mid to late teens, when I figured out that god was nothing more than adult Santa Claus, I discussed my athiesm with my mom. I didn't realize that she would abuse me for it. Fights every chance she got where she would attempt to guilt-trip me, ask me questions in bad faith, and then would never let me answer them. I wasn't allowed to give my reasons because it was "too upsetting to her that her only daughter was going to hell" and "where did she go wrong in her parenting that my eternal soul would burn forever". It was shocking to me. She hadn't gone to church in years, and yet she was suddenly acting like a Baptist fire and brimstone preacher. It took her several years to get over it, but we also learned never to bring it up around her. But all my subsequent, and more important discoveries about myself were kept from her after that fiasco. Athiesm was so unimportant to me- because it was so patiently obvious. But when I learned I was gay, when I learned I had anxiety and depression, when I learned that my mom is abusive, when I learned that I'm probably not a woman... Those things were all kept from her because of her reaction to my rejection of such a silly thing as adult Santa Claus. I didn't want to be bullied more than I had to be if I could help it. I forgot to keep my Autism from her. I was very excited about my diagnosis, because it let me know that most of the things I always hated about myself (and was always bullied for) was not my fault. It may have come up in response to mom bullying me for doing something autisic, and therefore something I couldn't control. (I think it was either my terrible hearing or terrible memory). So yeah. Long rambling story short, an indoctrination was attempted on me, and was partially successful, but was thankfully botched. I couldn't be more grateful that my area is fairly secular, that my mom's church is relatively open-minded, and that my stubborn child self won that fight. All of those things had to go right for me to break my chains.
@aldenheterodyne2833
4 жыл бұрын
@Time to Reason I am Autistic. I never said I was unintelligent. My Autism means that I'm more sensitive to light, sound, touch, smell, and flavor than neurotypical people. I can't read sarcasm well. I like acting because it's a safe way to practice social situations, and I'm good at it because I am always pretending to be a neurotypical. I like singing because it is repetitive, it is an expression of emotion, and the vibrations in my chest feel nice. Social situations are exhausting because they're too stimulating, and I must always maintain a mask of neurotypicality. Autism doesn't mean "unintelligent", it means "different".
@aldenheterodyne2833
4 жыл бұрын
@deadend Well, it depends on how you define "sex". If "sex" is defined as XX chromosomes, then sure, I concede the point. But "sex" is not the same as "girl". Tell me, do you pull down people's pants and make sure they have a penis before you call them "sir"? Do you check to see if they have breasts before you call them "ma'am"? What about children? Children don't have breasts. They don't have beards. How do you know they're a boy or a girl? Do you pull down their pants before you call them "boy" or "girl"? I don't have breasts. I don't have a beard. I wear men's clothes. Unless you want to pull down my pants- an action reserved for *only* people I like, and you certainly do not qualify- why would it matter to you what I was born as? With medical help, I could grow a beard. With medical help, a trans woman can grow breasts. With medical help, I could have a cock and balls. With medical help, a trans woman could have a labia and vagina. "Man" and "woman" aren't based on chromosomes. What does it matter to you if I'm trans? "Sir", "ma'am", "boy", "girl" aren't really based on anything biological. So why does it matter to you?
@manhathaway
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic post, thanks for sharing.
@snowarmth
8 ай бұрын
Thank goodness that you took such a strong note of what kind of person your mother was. You spared yourself so much pain. In my case, I was so in denial about my opinion of my siblings that I consistently self-sabotaged to see if I could ever get them to deviate from their ways. For seven years. There was just no way I was right..
@jonaharagon7710
6 ай бұрын
Sorry to burst your bubble but calling God the adult Santa Claus is a disgustingly hefty straw man and demonstrates an ignorance or simply lack of understanding on the subject. Billions of people don’t believe in something like Christianity over two millennia for no reason. On the other note I’m glad your family and church ended up being open minded and gracious enough to give you peace with your decision
@bradbadley1
6 жыл бұрын
"It's not a loving act to hug a child so tight you crush its bones." Excellent.
@angelvalentynn
5 жыл бұрын
My boyfriend is 18 and in failing to accept to dedicate his whole life to his family’s religion he’s being abused, punished and treated like non-family... sadly, this extends beyond childhood
@rain8412
4 жыл бұрын
Like I said when I was 5-years old, “If you’re gonna get punished for criticizing something, then criticize it! If you’ll get punished for criticizing something, then your criticism probably isn’t unfounded. Silencing critics just proves them right.”
@Kyle-bu3og
8 жыл бұрын
Holy crap! This video is awesome.
@JJ-wm6vj
8 жыл бұрын
As are the rest on his channel.
@davidk7529
4 жыл бұрын
My reaction
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
3 жыл бұрын
another eternally damned comment
@axel45823
Жыл бұрын
it is real and it’s terrifying. i have dealt with immense scrupulosity for so long and i have no way of easing it or finding support due to my family being the only ones who are in my life as they basically convinced me to ditch my friends for my faith and the family. now i’m left with nobody and i’m being called names, being gossiped about, having scripture used against me to condemn me. i’m glad you’re speaking out on this.. thank you dear
@ObservableFiction
8 жыл бұрын
I would love to start a discussion in here, but I really can't find anything I disagree with. Good to see you again!
@TheraminTrees
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@thetsarofall8666
4 жыл бұрын
@Michael Freed no, they're just saying they have nothing they feel is useful to add, such as an objection or a alternative.
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheraminTrees this video is the equivalent of being abducted and taken to a shed and stripped - and then told it was just a teaching lesson....
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
2 жыл бұрын
@@peppermint5117 Did you know that US Army Field Telephones are used for torture - one wire is put around the reproductive organ. Then a rubber glove is used to put the other wire in the mouth. This is taught by the CIA to US client states. Indoctrination does not just mean teach.
@stiimuli
8 жыл бұрын
I wish I could somehow sneak this into church services across my country and get the congregations to watch it and discuss it. Sadly, any hint that it might be in any way anti-religion, atheistic or simply something other than what they believe, would immediately cause many of them to shut down and turn off.
@ConfettiCasket
5 жыл бұрын
Dude, it's not that hard to "sneak in" to a church service and talk to people. Most churches I've seen just kinda let people in with open arms as long as you aren't an asshole or something. Of course there are crazy ones that you should definetely avoid though.
@hurbig
5 жыл бұрын
stiimuli I am religious and watching this
@videogamebomer
5 жыл бұрын
@@hurbig Do you mind me asking what do you think of the video
@updownleftrightinout
8 жыл бұрын
I was never taken to church or prepped on religion at a young age. When I was seven a priest was brought into my public school (but not the classroom) and our class listened to him, and then pocket bibles were handed out. I read a few pages of Genesis and dismissed the book quickly as fantasy but realized several of my friends had not only known and read it, but fully accepted what was in it. Yet, that moment clearly pointed me away from religion. It just seemed too fantastical to believe. My parents were non-practicing christians. Only doing cub scouts was I ever taken to church formally.
@TheraminTrees
8 жыл бұрын
When I was growing up, I didn't know that it was possible not to believe those stories - I just assumed everyone did. When I hear experiences like yours, it really gives me a sense of how crazy those tales would seem to other children who weren't immersed in the ideology.
@ryftedmage1404
3 жыл бұрын
I wish I had resources like this available to me when I was first escaping the abuse and indoctrination of Christianity
@Braeden123698745
8 жыл бұрын
I'm curious what people think about this. What if you're an atheist, and you teach your child openly about religion you teach them critical thinking, logical fallacies, the whole nine yards. What would you do if your child started to go towards a religion you knew wasn't healthy, a cult, like the Jehovah's Witnesses? Would it be just to let them go into it because they're acting on their own freewill? Or would it be just to prevent them from going?
@DeoMachina
8 жыл бұрын
That's a hard one, since cults like scientology and mormonism are demonstratably hurtful and run by evil people, but can we really say that mainstream religions aren't?
@Correctrix
8 жыл бұрын
You should discourage your child from making foolish decisions, like becoming a Scientologist, Catholic or drug addict. But absolute prohibitions are likely to be counterproductive, driving them to rebellion and a sanctimonious feeling of persecution. So, it's often better to ease off and let them find good paths.
@JaMaAuWright
8 жыл бұрын
Explain to them the inconsistencies in whatever it is they wish to join, and why that religion doesn't fit with a world view built upon critical thought. Show them this youtube channel.
@DeoMachina
8 жыл бұрын
***** I don't think that's fair to say, considering human beings did not evolve to think critically, it's not possible that we're all going to objectively weigh up every cult fairly 100% of the time. What if somebody falls into an existential depression (and I think 100% of the atheist demographic do at some point) and it just so happens in their moment of weakness they agree to come along to a meeting? It's the social element that has such a huge draw, and I think most of us are susceptible at some point.
@DeoMachina
8 жыл бұрын
***** I'm less than convinced, I'm under the impression that "free will" is a religious belief in itself. It's not yet known if there are any internal factors that predispose people into joining cults or not. That's just the point I'm trying to make.
@papadong8100
3 жыл бұрын
I was free thinking kid, I am so happy I realized, the evil and ignorance they were perpetuating on me. My Ah-ha moment was when the nun told me, that dinosaur bones were fake...I realized I could never stand behind something that would throw out proven facts. But that little time I was indoctrinated it has effected me psychologically and still gives me slight anxiety though I have gotten better. This happened when I was 10 was indoctrinated until then and I am now 30, this sticks with you for life.
@papadong8100
3 жыл бұрын
Oh btw how I got out of indoctrination, I would ask and state uncomfortable things, they ended kicking me out of the school, because I was making other students question there faith and I was danger to the studies, went to public school, because I told my Mother I would keep doing it lol
@Kontraleah
3 жыл бұрын
This channel is outstanding. OUTSTANDING. It’s empowered me to speak for myself and enter into a whole new world of personal freedom. 40+ years of indoctrination is difficult to overcome, especially without support. The content of @TheraminTrees has literally changed my life and given me permission to think critically and take necessary steps to reach my full potential. Thank you for sharing your talents with us. Always so eloquently articulated. 🙌 It is breaking my heart to watch children in my family being so cruelly indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalism. It’s such a helpless feeling. Grateful that pesky pebble in my shoe refused to dislodge. Perhaps the children will look to me someday and feel safe…it’s the only way I can attach meaning to any of this.
@ThiagoGasparino
8 жыл бұрын
It's great to have you back!
@TheraminTrees
8 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@bruhyeet1826
4 жыл бұрын
Your words in every video are so incredibly intelligent and have empowered me over time to become confident in my own beliefs, as well as talk confidently to others about why I believe what I do. I could rant for hours about how much I love the straightforwardness, understandability, and convincingness of all of your videos, but I’ll refrain and leave it at this. From someone whose worldview you’ve changed for the better, thank you for the content you create. I sincerely hope you’re inspired to keep making content for a very long time!
@boriskalashnikov489
5 жыл бұрын
When I was you, I would have to go to church, but I always thought that nothing I heard made sense, so I never really believed very strongly in religion and am strongly atheist now
@hitkid2456
5 жыл бұрын
Right, like Methuselah, who'd believe a human would live to nearly a millennium? Or Samson, tho I did particularly enjoy that story.
@AngelOrrandMore
11 ай бұрын
I fell victim to indoctrination but I didn't break out of it till recently this year (2023) when my mom told me to pray my Autism away. It would've done it when my mom didn't accept me as Pansexual but it didn't. I was convinced that Christianity was for me. But I realized that it wasn't the real me. I was in this false identity all the way to 18-19 years old. I'm 20 as of writing this. Now I'm an atheist and is learning to embrace it.
@MachFiveFalcon
8 ай бұрын
I have OCD, and I had a similar experience. So much of religion is based on blind conformity/fitting into the system/machine. For neurodivergent people experiencing doubt, conformity in to the machinery of religion is almost impossible!
@Super-BallSharp
3 ай бұрын
"Didnt accept as pansexual"- It is amazing to me, how for every question there is for whether a GSRM group is truly discriminated against, some crazy will come out of the woodwork to make it true..
@AngelOrrandMore
3 ай бұрын
@@Super-BallSharp What do you mean?
@Super-BallSharp
3 ай бұрын
@@AngelOrrandMore Its just shocking to me how people will want any slight deviency opressed. Like, how could one be unaccepting of pansexual or asexual people? I have a personal experience with this; some years ago there was a non-insignificant group pushing for the BDSM community to become part of the LGBTQ+, but i, as a memeber of that community, just disagreed. I couldnt see the reasoning. Until.. i finally saw how some people talked about us. I used to think the same thing about asexual people.. never again. If its unclear why a subgroup would want to be part of the LGBTQ+, it won't take much looking. Thats all the advics i have to say for anyone else who may be reading. And for those people, remember: you could very well be next.
@jonathonraist
5 жыл бұрын
12:57 "Beliefs that help to ensure compliance to any instruction have NO intrinsic moral value."
@adamj7254
Жыл бұрын
Blessed be those that are touched by its noodly appendages.
@skipperry63
5 жыл бұрын
There are varying degrees of the levels of indoctrination. In my own experience raised in Catholic home and attending Catholic schools, the morals and values taught were guidelines by which to live by and conduct ourselves in society. We were even free to criticize, question and doubt things that we thought were weird or contradictory. I’m very thankful for that! The teachers simply taught without using threats, manipulation or coercion of any kind. I think that’s why I remained. Catholic and a theist. But I do think that many kids are indoctrinated and it’s wrong. They should be free to think about things and research things for themselves. The Catholic schools and Church did a terrible job teaching kids to think freely. Religion should be a choice as should being an atheist or having any other belief. This video is great and I shared it with all my friends - both theists and atheists.
@nemesisurvivorleon
2 жыл бұрын
LISTENABLE VIDEOS! Thank you so much for making your videos usable while listening driving in the car. Driving and doing chores, I ONLY have ears. My hands and eyes are busy. ALL youtube videos should be LISTENABLE and not require LOOKING AT them! Thank you so much!
@walterwalter3365
Жыл бұрын
Well, KZitem is a platform for videos, so that's a bit of a tall order haha. You might find Spotify interesting!
@adnankhalid8457
11 ай бұрын
Brand new atheist here I'm from a very religious family and even get religion in my education system as an important part in my country if i fail it then i fail the rest of the year so the path is going to be hard but hopefully it will get better
@ernie39
3 жыл бұрын
there's a reason Christian churches preach that its members should strive to "have child-like faith"
@SnapThority
4 жыл бұрын
This channel needs more attention. This needs to be required watching for every human!
@erlrs998
5 жыл бұрын
There was a young man in late 19th century, he grew up in priest's family and studied in the religious school, then went to seminary. He also grew up in periphery of the very religious russian empire. And the thing I'm trying to say is humans sometimes support ideas they're not supposed to support 'cause this boi was Joseph Stalin.
@visser420
5 жыл бұрын
I knew it was coming when I saw your profile picture and 19th century
@AlphaTheSkunk
8 жыл бұрын
I have a legitimately curious question: every parent is going to instill in their children the vision of the world that they themselves hold, knowingly of unknowingly. In the analogy for political parties, this will also happen (and, in fact, it does). The morality principles and the way that they see the world working is what they know and believe and will teach a child. Even from an atheistic point of view, I think I would fall for the same indoctrination, but because that's what I believe to be the right thing to make a children be more free. So, my question is: how would anyone, religious or not, know what is the actual teachings that they should provide their children if they cannot trust their own view of the world?
@ethanhampl1520
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not an atheist, but god damn these videos are amazing and well made. Keep the work up TheraminTrees, even though you'll never see this.
@dutyandcourage
2 ай бұрын
I've taken to re-watching TheraminTrees every year or so just to refresh my brain. It's amazing how insidious religious indoctrination is.
@tylercross8877
Жыл бұрын
I use TheraminTrees vids to indoctrinate myself while going to sleep
@rapidmon17
3 жыл бұрын
You speak with terrifying precision. I wish I had that skill.
@john.d.rockefeller2538
3 жыл бұрын
This is heavily scripted and made by a man with a higher education (college) and he is a native English speaker, it would be rather strange if he did not speak in such a manor.
@shelleyfinch9697
5 жыл бұрын
I was a JW and this sends shivers down my spine because I've two children still being raised by their father who believes he is doing the very very best for them, to the point of saving their life and ensuring everlasting life
@Big_rat123
Жыл бұрын
I know were all suposed to be spiritual rn but why did i think that was Walter white and Skylar white
@touieg1211
Жыл бұрын
Came here for this comment.
@jurassicsmackdown6359
Жыл бұрын
I keep finding Breaking Bad comments and it makes me giggle every time lol
@carnsolus
3 жыл бұрын
it's right in the bible: Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.
@inezneal6917
9 ай бұрын
religious coercion has a factor of co-dependance and financial enmeshment to religious institutions making walking away without adequate education or social networks difficult.
@mikegreiling
8 жыл бұрын
he's alive!!!
@elvice3606
3 жыл бұрын
In mormonism we were always told that there was a life prior to that in earth where we had the choice to be born here or to reject the plan of god and join satan, this meaning that if we’re alive it’s because we already have chosen to follow god. Being born in a mormon family is considered an honor because it’s supposed to be a more difficult life that only the strongest and more diligent souls could live without losing faith, and that was god telling he trusted us, also granting us more gifts. That’s basically their way to convince you that it has always been your decision to be a mormon (a choice that, funny enough, you can’t remember ‘cause that’s how “god’s plan” works). This is how they keep you from thinking about the veil of ignorance and, at the same time, validate you for “your decision”. It’s so obvious they know what they’re doing and it’s really creepy to think about it. So glad I was able to teach myself critical thinking at a young age, but it’s sad to see friends I find arguably more intelligent than me that at their 20-30s are still so indoctrinated from our childhood...
@para_momal
3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I appreciate the separation of church and state so much more now. Thank you.
@nh5264
3 жыл бұрын
I found one of your videos a couple years ago. It was the pebble that broke through my religious barriers. Got stuck in my brain, and made me critical evaluate everything that was said in Christianity. Everything I was taught growing up. It has helped that I haven't stepped inside a church for a long time. That conditioning was starting to wear off.
@fluffypuppy4831
4 жыл бұрын
These videos are really enlightening. I feel betrayed and lied to by my family, but it’s good to know the truth after 15 years of indoctrination. I can’t wait to move out.
@ViableBurrito
Жыл бұрын
I'm seeing some grooming behavior from my parent to my own kids, like trying to sneak them a Bible and making it a secret between them. My parents, and especially my mom, would be mortified if I called this out as grooming behavior, so to keep the peace, I talk to my kids about it, but not her. But this is all going to come to a head very soon, as we need to reestablish some boundaries. I just know how bad this conversation will hurt her feelings and our long-term relationship... and it's making me realize how I've been trained to value peace over standing up for what I think is right. Is it worth it to have that difficult conversation, or do I just keep using it as a teaching tool with my kids?
@JRibs
8 жыл бұрын
New quality atheist content. I miss the old days. #MakeAtheismGreatAgain
@ThePuppyTurtle
8 жыл бұрын
Blame antifeminism.
@Utmoon
8 жыл бұрын
That is blaming the victim. I think you should be blaming the group that is trying to indoctrinate everyone into their ideology, not those that are fighting back.
@ThePuppyTurtle
8 жыл бұрын
Utmoon What do you consider to be the definition of "indoctrination?"
@Utmoon
8 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video? The definition was right there. Here is another similar one. "teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically."
@txdmsk
8 жыл бұрын
Aaaand, here we go. Feminists poisoning the last corner of atheist cyberspace that wasn't set ablaze by the SJW-war. sigh Leave this untainted place, mortal, go crush the patriarchy or something.
@sossololpipi9633
Жыл бұрын
loving these videos! they present me with new perspectives to view the world of beliefs from, and let me question my own easier
@simonkarlsen4912
5 жыл бұрын
2:50 i fear something like this might be happening in my country with an actual political party. I'm from Sweden and the party in question is called feminist initiative. The party leader recently had a child and made a post on Instagram where she said something like "our part has just gained a new feminist". I actually met this party leader once and she looked at me with hatred and i don't know why. It was at a political convention of sorts and I wanted to hear their opinions straight from the source and even if I don't always agree I had no intent to argue. I stod by smiling and talking to some of the other party members whilst my friend who loves this party got a selfie with her. But when she looked at me she looked extremely mad and I to this day have no idea why. I can always speculate but it's all guesses. But back to the party. They match in the streets screaming "no Nazis on our streets" and whilst I don't like Nazis myself I feel discourse might be more effective than silencing. The rabbit hole only deepens but I find myself relating alot of these videos about indoctrination and narcisisism to my home countries extreme left wing movements. This concerns me as one of my friends recently entered the revolutionary communists youth assiciation and has ever since grown more protective of his political beliefs. When I catch myself thinking this is indoctrination I start to feel as though im going mad since everyone is doing it. But I guess the promethian fire might bring more than purely sane thoughts with it.
@4nd3rzzon
4 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking that we are fortunate to live in such a secular country but this gender war is no better than religion
@someonewhobitthedust9124
5 жыл бұрын
I love how you deconstruct these nonsensical beliefs. Thank you for your work you do.
@melaniedamour8934
7 ай бұрын
Amazing! Beautifully put together and my own beliefs. Critical thinking makes you uncontrollable.
@wisdomwizard3620
5 жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest it’s kinda uncomfortable hearing you refer to a child as “it.”
@wisdomwizard3620
5 жыл бұрын
deadend I would just say “they/them/their”
@gregtate8368
4 жыл бұрын
I dare say it’s due to his clinical background. I’ve heard the term “the subject “ on many occasions.
@blaise931
4 жыл бұрын
Don't think OP was making any moral convictions, just commenting on how it made them uncomfortable. I feel pretty similarly on the subject, but understand that my reasons for discomfort aren't aligned with his reasons for referring to a child as "it". Edit: this isn't directed at the original poster of the comment, I didn't originally clarify that.
@larsswig912
4 жыл бұрын
@@blaise931 I wish I have as much formal speech capabilities as you but English is my second language and I hate writing essays xd
@gordonfreemanthesemendemon1805
4 жыл бұрын
i didn't even notice
@fredichini3
4 жыл бұрын
Man I love how eloquently you state your arguments! Thanks for making these!
@timothytimmins5119
5 жыл бұрын
3:04 You suspect that if politicians tried this there would be significant pushback? Your belief in that notion is misplaced. The scenario you described has played out in Hitler's Germany, China, the DPRK, and the USSR; to say nothing of the actual fusion between overt religion and politics in Iran after 1979. Religion holds no such monopoly after the 20th century.
@CallMeCatalin
4 жыл бұрын
It’s still happening today in US schools actually, lmao. Pledge of allegiance.
@Avocadotoast365
5 жыл бұрын
This is incredibly helpful to me. Thank you for helping me as I leave behind what has been so harmful to me.
@GullerudGallery
5 жыл бұрын
As I get older, my spirituality is more subtle, more and more private. But childhood indoctrination is fanatical when so enmeshed on a day to day basis. I totally understand atheists and agnostics and I possibly fluctuate within those worlds but I wanted to simply thank you for your videos because they're a needed balance. The certainty doctrines are crazed.
@Felarchy
5 жыл бұрын
I refuse to believe that all children do not have a stamp collector deep inside them
@ElevatorEleven
Жыл бұрын
Rewatching this again, the story about the political party indoctrination over the first three minutes is a lot scarier six years later and watching the people around me unironically continue to support Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump.
@gorillacapers
5 жыл бұрын
Why does this have so few views?! This video should be shared all over...
@jokergordon8446
5 жыл бұрын
🤔This has to be the best explanation of how people get sucked into religion, to the point of no return. 🤔
@LAnonHubbard
5 жыл бұрын
So powerful. I'm so glad I took a stand and withdrew my children from school collective worship and other ceremonies like hymn singing. Even had argument in the playground with CofE school headteacher who didn't honour my wishes. My partner isn't religious but she took some convincing that it was the right thing to do. Her mother is more religious and I know she would have them attending church and singing with her when her grandchildren visit if she could. Thankfully she knows that's not possible as I'd flip my lid. Anyway, what a fantastic video. I may show this to my eldest child who has just started secondary school. She probably will not understand a lot of the words but it'll be a chance to a) help her learn some new words and b) better understand why I kept them away from religious indoctrination.
@hurbig
5 жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up religious I’d say that it’s perfectly fine to pass your religion down to your children, just don’t force them to do/believe anything. Of course I am against abuse. There should never be any punishment for thinking critically. The church I am in and the christian communities I am part of all encourage critical thinking and there are no questions that are not allowed.
@graysonnobles7472
5 жыл бұрын
why am i not allowed to like this more than once?? i was heavily indoctrinated as a child. i was homeschooled and didn’t know any nonchristians until my freshman year of high school. during my sophomore year, i realized i’m gay, came out, and became an atheist. my parents tell me all the time that my “choice” to “be gay” won’t lead to rich life, whereas christianity will. i’m told i’m prideful for questioning the religion imposed upon me. at the dinner table, people who aren’t christian are referred to as foolish, wrong, or sinful. the indoctrination is damaging and abusive! call it what it is
@zachcharbonneau7732
2 жыл бұрын
I wish everybody agreed with this. I want this to stop because I was told "in this house, we go to church" I have seen first hand how pastors groom young kids to worship god and only god. there is a verse that says " trust in the lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight" proverbs 3:5-6.
@gabrielfranzini977
5 жыл бұрын
My mom was religious, but she created me to chose what I wanted to believe in, in short my creation was not biased and I never truthfully could enjoy the comfort of ignorance, i never accepted religion, to me it was stupid, an annoyance, I was never much social tough, church's where a place that I hated from the bottom of my soul, too many people and too much noise, as a child I hated music, any kind of music, I enjoyed silence, after leaving to another state in my country, an safer one, I started getting out, having fun, them I had friends, them I started to care about what people think, I started to openly admit my lack of faith, soon after I became depressed, got over it a little while ago, although my mom wasn't pushing religion on me when I was younger, she started doing so when I became problematic, I had already started to enjoy music, electronic tho, probably because my dad was an dj and my mom would listen to electronic, rock and pop in the car, I could only start to like it, today I only enjoy electronic and some rock and oud pop my mom would listen too, back to the pushing religion into me thing, I rejected it, my relationship whit my mom witered very quickly, I started being even more rebellious, I lost 2 school years because of this, I started to hate school, I always didn't liked it, but I had to "make my mom proud", at this point I wasn't in good terms whit her, I started to work, even tough I wasn't very social, working was very pleasant, soon I was working officially as an Baker helper, I thought helping to pay the bills would help, it did not, in the end i had an discussion whit her and went to live whit my dad, I started training capoeira and attending to school whitout one day lacking, it's easier to bear it now for some reason, I'll enjoy my last year as an teenager and try to graduate at high school, I hope to do so watching your vids :3, keep up the good work. Ps: I was always very smart, being one of the top students of the class, but for several reasons including bullying, my parents divorce, my mom being very strict (I only said she didn't force religion on me), and others, I started to hate and avoid schools, I only lost time, go to school kids, and try working at some summer jobs, working is an wonderful experience.
@gabrielfranzini977
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if I lack the concept of faith completely.
@Braeden123698745
8 жыл бұрын
I'm also curious, TheraminTrees, do you have a theramin?
@TheraminTrees
8 жыл бұрын
Sadly, nope. Closest I've got is designing a couple of synthesised ones in my music studio - Logic Pro.
@Estorium
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheraminTrees I have ways wanted to build my own theramin to be used as a midi controller in my DAW (some kind of analogue to digital converter). That has been a personal goal for... years.
@bootedbuilds
3 жыл бұрын
O_O. After I found your channel two months ago, I've been slowly watching your videos and boy, this one is a gem! The comparison is brilliant.
@wamlythecrabgod2199
4 жыл бұрын
Idk why, but these animations feel really surreal. I like it, really hammers home the point.
@RedLove224
11 ай бұрын
From a young age I was brought with my grandparents to church. At first church was fun, as in the preschool/kindergarten levels we didn't talk much about religion. For a long while I didn't go back to church until I was able in 4-5th grade. All of a sudden everything was involving god or Jesus, the coloring pages, quotes, artworks, books, everything. The first and last day I was there, the only thing we did was read the Bible, and all I could do was question things within my head because a lot of what it was saying just didn't make sense to me. Luckily, my family was not heavily religious and didn't idoctrinate me. I was absolutely a science kid, I read every science book possible starting at a very young age and watched every show I could about the subject. So when I was faced with the idea that this "all powerful god" made the earth in just so many days, of course I went to my common sense and didn't believe it. I am a atheist, and though I do not believe in any religion, I still respect them. However, something I do NOT respect is indoctrination of a child. It literally takes all choice away and can lead to the child developing all types of issues! Not to mention the extremists out there who literally abuse their child. Thank you for this video, I am so glad someone talked about this topic in such a in depth way, and not only that, but present solutions!
@cassinipanini
2 жыл бұрын
My parents raised me like Society B. They said I could learn about any religion but could not pick until I was 18. I am eternally grateful for this. It's not that I am atheist or agnostic, I simply never think about religion (a privilege I recognize I have as a white woman). whatever internal conflicts religion solves for others have never bothered me. I experience a Sense of freedom in this way, though at the same time I have trouble comprehending religious faith as a personal force, instead seeing it only as a tool for or consequence of oppression. I would not even call myself spiritual. To me the only thing that matters in the universe is the transference of energy. Without that there would be be nothing, from the smallest atom to the largest galaxy.
@Morg8685
4 жыл бұрын
i do so enjoy your videos, well made in regards to quality and you have quite a lovely voice. soothing, calming, trust worthy
@TheraminTrees
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@ashleycrow8867
5 жыл бұрын
"we didn't choose our religion" - well not always but there a a lot of people who did or chose not to have a religion at all
@davespriter
Жыл бұрын
i love this channel. the comments always suck, but the videos themselves are always helpful.
@applicableapple3991
3 жыл бұрын
I think the reason why many people think that the idea of stopping dissent is a strawman is because most religions and groups always have a set of questions that they expect and answer. Examples of this are catechism booklets that I was given when I was a Christian. This gives the illusion that we are allowed to question absolutely anything, which isn't true.
@KILLRXNOEVIRUS
Жыл бұрын
Damn that's a cult
@jacquelinehicks4536
Жыл бұрын
I can relate. I have met many narcissists in Christian religion. I'm what they call a black sheep. I enjoy being a critical thinker. Being my own person. Not religion! Only spiritual!
@tagtraumerin5077
4 жыл бұрын
There has always been a high pressure to be a good religious girl. My parents never gave me a choice to not go to church on a Sunday or important Christian holiday. Whenever I asked uncomfortable questions, they became really angry and started shouting at me. I was only allowed to ship church when I was extremely ill. And still, they are very happy they have such a religious girl. Obviously I'm an atheist or nihilist. Im 20 years old, moved out two years ago, have mentally chosen my faith but I am still afraid to tell my parents I don't want to chose a partner based on his (or her) religion. Both of my parents are conservative catholics but I still need to go to therapy because of emotional abuse. Religious indoctrination is abuse.
@cade8986
3 жыл бұрын
All of this happened to me. I was born into a Pentecostal Christian family. Went to a Christian school. And currently attend a Christian university. The internet saved me, and now I attend university as an incognito atheist (the university is accredited and my degree will be in psychology). I’m working on getting my brother out now, he’s still indoctrinated.
@glenmoody-elias1040
5 жыл бұрын
Early on, I had a single thought experiment. You have one ball, in one of three cups. Obviously, one would pick randomly, and the ball is only assumed to be under one cup, that's what we're told. The allegory would be the ball to paradise, and the cups to varying religions. Just because you were born to a cup, and it was the wrong one, shouldn't mean you aren't deserving of a paradise. That single thought caused a lot of skepticism, and it's something I like to think back on.
@chazizphat
8 жыл бұрын
great vids pleasure to watch
@abigalerose1410
5 жыл бұрын
I remember a time for mw not to long ago actually when i would've played banning this kind of childhood indoctrination off as society getting weak, but now that ive actually looked at how my life has been i was indoctrinated i now realize how harmful indoctrination is and can be, thank you for giving really great points
@turtlenecker223
2 жыл бұрын
This video is so relevant rn
@micosstar
Жыл бұрын
23:41 YES "We need to put an end to this inexcusable practice of grooming"
@jenna2431
8 ай бұрын
Anyone who's ever had a 2yo knows that kids have to coerced to comply.
@CryoCoffinVampire
Жыл бұрын
There’s a key difference between teaching a child one’s culture and teaching a child one’s religion. I am glad to say my dad succeed in the first while allowing me to make my own choice in the second.
@CoffeeAddictEvan
Жыл бұрын
I think far too often the two are conflated. I was told my religious heritage was my cultural heritage, despite my mother being a first generation JW. I had no other culture passed onto me, so why would I ever give up the only thing I had?
@CryoCoffinVampire
Жыл бұрын
@@CoffeeAddictEvan although it may seem like the United States (I assume that is where you are from as that is where Jehova’s Witnesses are most active)has no culture, but it does. Things like sports, food, and consumerism.
@CoffeeAddictEvan
Жыл бұрын
@@CryoCoffinVampire no, Canada, but my point was that there was no effort made to impart any other culture on us kids, except for being JWs My mother is Latvian, my sperm donor was native, and I know anything about those cultures
@Very_Silly_Individual
Жыл бұрын
@@CoffeeAddictEvan yeah, JW's are a cult, so that makes sense.
@Very_Silly_Individual
Жыл бұрын
@@CryoCoffinVampireCanada is basically the USA, so you get a pass, I think.
@enjoythemoment8973
5 жыл бұрын
My new favorite channel!
@peanutbutter1966
5 жыл бұрын
What's sad is that, growing up and as an adult, I've heard Preachers and adults, openly use the term, "grooming", or "groom", in reference to their raising and shaping of children and adults.
@Rev_Buttmunch
4 жыл бұрын
As someone whom of which grew up in a very religious (chiristianity) household in the midwest and homeschooled with a religous curriculum, it has been very hard to shake the guilt of not believing what my parents have forced onto me my entire life. Even now as a 26 year old, watching these videos have been a major relief in my life. I have been estranged from my parents and when I do visit my parents once every year or so, I feel very uncomfortable around them. They judge me in every aspect of my life and always press me about my "faith". Your videos have given me some solice and have given me a renewed strength to take control of my own life and have given me hope that life can be free from their omnipresent oppression. Thank you for your videos, they have given me freedom.
@vuducanh2k5
2 жыл бұрын
I'm from Vietnam and your story reminds me of my own country
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