What do you think of the “Growing Threat” precon? Any cards we missed? Any cards we suggested to take out or add that you disagree with? How did you feel about the smaller budget for the upgrade guide?
@plasnania
Жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm the minority, but I'm a bit disappointed that you reduced the budget. I was hoping to see the cool cards you can select with the freedom of the previous budget for this deck, and I'm seeing a lot of weak cards that I likely won't be adding. That aside, I still love the production value and all of you lovelies. ❤
@JamesSamson487
Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised Skrelv’s Hive didn’t get a honorary mention. Its low mana, creates Phyrexian Artifact creature tokens that have Toxic that die really easily (cos people will chump them as opposed to poison), and can give the Incubate tokens lifelink if Corruption is on.
@huntressskyfire
Жыл бұрын
@@plasnaniaabsolutely! I waited excitedly to be shown junk... Even budget commander Timer did 30
@randywright7764
Жыл бұрын
Brimaz doesn’t say when a phyrexian dies, proliferate, it’s an end of turn trigger. Totally differenr
@JamesSamson487
Жыл бұрын
@@randywright7764 My point is you're almost always guaranteed to have a Phyrexian die on your turn at least. Plus, they're useful sac fodder.
@flurifiction
Жыл бұрын
So basically: Cards to add: Myr Convert Scholar of New Horizons Costly Plunder Spawning Pit Chronomancer Annex Sentry Mite Overseer Phyrexian Walker Everflowing Chalice Inspiring Statuary Cards to remove: Soul of New Phyrexia Shimmer Myr Psychosis Crawler Ancient Stone Idol Scytheclaw First-Sphere Gargantua Orzhov Locket Shattered Angel Coveted Jewel Duplicant Expensive cards to consider: Mondrak, Glory Dominus Resourceful Defense Door of Destinies And my own suggestions :) Replace Phyrexian Rebirth with Sunfall Phyrexian Arena
@jonathanstead5135
Жыл бұрын
I'd keep phyrexian rebirth because Brimaz cares if it dies, not exiles. I would add sunfall.
@flurifiction
Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanstead5135 its a boardwipe tho... what exactly are you going to proliferate
@jonathanstead5135
Жыл бұрын
@@flurifiction the existing incubation tokens, some of the cards they've mentioned or yourself. Phyrexian rebirth gives you the monster upfront if going for the creature whereas you have to still pay for sunfalls creature
@AlphaDraconis369
Жыл бұрын
Bring back the precon battles !
@bryannunez5502
Жыл бұрын
I second that motion! 😀
@trizkit995
Жыл бұрын
Think it was the star city guys who did the precon face off.
@KingRorix
Жыл бұрын
@@trizkit995 They used to battle precons against each other on Game Knights (it was back when they were only released once a year), but it's been a long time since they've done so.
@domthompson7992
Жыл бұрын
I like the ones where they face off the upgraded precons
@makeup9972
Жыл бұрын
They did with brothers war just wait for the new set to fully come out
@jakegorelick4660
Жыл бұрын
I'd prefer the upgrades to stay in the 25-30 dollar range. Or offer.both options.
@chickennoodles4491
Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure this budget is unique to Murph, so I wouldn’t worry
@rwmj_7569
Жыл бұрын
Plus he went ahead and showed three much more expensive cards if you want to spend more. So we basically did get both.
@bassfingas11
Жыл бұрын
I don't. Whenever they talk about a card, that card jacks up in price.
@lobbynotlob
Жыл бұрын
i guess the neat thing about the living weapon cards is that the germ is a 0/0, so as soon as you unequip it you can get your commander's trigger. it provides the body and the sac outlet for it in one, while leaving something behind.
@PanicBlade757
Жыл бұрын
Disciple of the Vault is also a great upgrade if you’re going the sacrifice-artifacts route!
@AC_DriftCaster
Жыл бұрын
A couple cards that I thought worked really well in this deck that I added to mine were from the main set of March of the Machine: Norn's Inquisitor and Attentive Skywarden. Norn's Inquisitor makes your Incubators transform into Phyrexians they get an additional counter and when the Attentive Skywarden deals combat damage to a player (it has flying) you can transform an Incubator for free.
@madskil72
Жыл бұрын
Love the change to $10 upgrade, especially with Precons getting more and more expensive
@hunterransom2594
Жыл бұрын
I wish they did a - optimized upgrade for those that do not have budgets. Let’s just see how crazy we can make it
@thenextchicken
Жыл бұрын
@@hunterransom2594 Edhrec is your friend
@jeffreylong1478
Жыл бұрын
Just add in the honorable mentions, duh lol
@saltyalters
Жыл бұрын
@@hunterransom2594 It would be probably include the same old crap you see in every other deck with a high price tag.
@jacobalbert2603
Жыл бұрын
@@hunterransom2594 I don't necessarily need a budgetless upgrade, but I'm definitely not a fan of the $10 limit change. I feel like that is too restrictive.
@NadavLevintov
Жыл бұрын
I was really excited for this one and when the list was spoiled I got sad . I just ordered the commander and built this as infect. Works great :)
@Deli_Dan_The_Salami_Man
Жыл бұрын
2 additional cards that seem to work pretty well in this deck, one budget and one more expensive. Budget - Aron, Benalia's Ruin Expensive - Wurmcoil Engine
@CaptainTempest1
Жыл бұрын
I have to say, I love when Murph is on because of his End Step segments. His passion for retro gaming is infectious.
@rgeraldc80s
Жыл бұрын
I think $25 upgrade is better than the $10
@CompleatedMagic
Жыл бұрын
Yeah $10 upgrade is a joke.
@narfidy444
Жыл бұрын
Especially in a deck with booty cheeks reprint value
@minine6508
Жыл бұрын
I think when the deck itself costs like $30-$35, $10 is a great budget
@Zombi3NinjaKing
Жыл бұрын
Hot take right here
@devin5297
Жыл бұрын
@@minine6508 30-35? Where do they cost that?
@rwmj_7569
Жыл бұрын
I find it odd that we can't get something like door of destiny in a clearly tribal deck, but the knight Eminence deck gets a vanquisher's banner.
@theinvisiblegentleman1142
Жыл бұрын
It seems like teshar and moira and cards that support it really hurt the deck. On the other hand, it was easy to choose what to take out when you upgrade it. When I was setting out to update the deck I just got all the mite cards from the last set. They're artifact creatures that are ALSO phyrexian. They can be sacked to just about any outlet, trigger Brimaz's proliferate, AND give poison counters. Pop in essence of orthodoxy from the Jumpstart start set and you incubate 2 for each mite you create. Put in mondrak, glory dominus (which is thankfully only $20 now) and you double all the tokens you create.
@chaoticzer0688
Жыл бұрын
This was my train of thought for this too and then looking to add some of the Preators, Gix for draw and hopefully stealing some stuff from people, original and new Sheoldred for graveyard stuffs, and original and new Elesh Norn I took out the golem support too because for the most part they don’t make phyrexian golems which won’t help with Brimaz’s second ability
@theinvisiblegentleman1142
Жыл бұрын
@ChaoticZer0 I believe they have been errata-d to make phyrexian golems, but it's not the strongest sub theme, so no big loss either way. Except maybe the darksteel stitcher.
@stratavosstuff7575
Жыл бұрын
I think that "growing threat" has a lot of the components that are wanted by the "Corrupting influence" precon :p edit: thank you Rachel and Murph, this was a fun episode :).
@bryanbishop8559
Жыл бұрын
Preferred the larger budget. I found it reasonable and there are other channels doing lower budget content.
@denisderbuc8654
Жыл бұрын
I am always looking forward to your upgrade guides. Especially this time since I bought the knights deck. Please don’t tell me you are only doing 10 dollar upgrades guides. I would definitely prefer the regular upgrade guides.
@ericbell7
Жыл бұрын
It would be interessting to have a small category where you try to find fitting cards in all the 10cards you took out of other precons. Maybe they can find a better spot in a deck.
@mega2009man
Жыл бұрын
Definitely building Brimaz with a phyrexian center (Phyrexian tokens mostly). Also Splicers cuz they're Phyrexians that makes twice as many tokens. Throwing in Mites for that extra kick Although I was tempted to combine Brimaz with Necrons since they're artifact creatures
@ThatBlondeKid95
Жыл бұрын
I was listening to this on my way home and I had a gut feeling that Murph would say the Saturn. One of my favorite consoles of all time. Much respect, Murph.
@wpmer
Жыл бұрын
I like the show and tell segment at the end!!
@ericbell7
Жыл бұрын
I love the timestamps! Thanks
@leemiller6977
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, 30$ for the upgrade guide seems like an awesome spot to be.
@ayreon213
Жыл бұрын
You might say this budget upgrade was 'compleated' brilliantly
@mikepetrangelo5396
Жыл бұрын
I love out of time for this deck. You use your tokens and everyone else's creatures to phase the board out for 3 mana. The pay 2 to animate your biggest incubator. So so so strong.
@maguszanin5296
Жыл бұрын
The regular precons are the same cost as the 40k decks now? 😮
@nilsmine5213
Жыл бұрын
command zone always delivering
@jokerES2
Жыл бұрын
For a $35-$40 deck, $10 doesn't seem like enough. If anything, this seems like it should be a $25 or $40 upgrade.
@alexanderson6961
Жыл бұрын
Surprised the new Elesh Norn wasn't mentioned -- she and Brimaz seem like a match made in -Heaven- Phyrexia.
@TheRoonage
Жыл бұрын
Its very good, but its a very expensive card for a budget upgrade guide
@jacksona9260
Жыл бұрын
I thought Graaz, Unstoppable Juggernaut would be fun to add in as a finisher. turn all the 0/0's with counters into 5/3's with counters.
@phobiawitch835
Жыл бұрын
I doubt it would run very well, but I am thinking to maybe mix my Ixhel deck (which is an upgraded Precon that includes both pre-MOM Vorinclex, as well as Phyrexian Vraska). It’s a Poison heavy deck, and Phyrexian tribal as well. I feel like Brimaz would work amazing with such a deck, since between Token generating when I create my Phyrexians, and proliferating when one dies, you can use him to really slam up the poison counters even more. Pair that with Mondrak, you have hordes of Phyrexians willing to kamikaze themselves so that they can spread their oil further and further.
@drfuzzy3977
Жыл бұрын
prototype artifact creatures from brothers war work really well with brimaz you can play them early and late for value
@Unkempt_Whizard
Жыл бұрын
My skrelv deck is evolving into this!
@danlong3050
Жыл бұрын
Soul of New Phyrexia with Nevinyrral's Disk. Board lock for the win.
@marlonabelsilvarios2566
Жыл бұрын
Interesting deck. Kinda dissapointed in how it was built, but its the one I´ve been most excited to upgrade and main (though I have a phyrexian bias :b)
@MaximumDoog
Жыл бұрын
I think I'm going to add Ria Ivor Bane of Bladehold to the pre con along with some of the upgrades mentioned
@BurgerManStan
Жыл бұрын
Yo, where's Josh and Jimmy? Don't get me wrong, love Rachel and Murph but I miss my boys!
@DevourerDragons
Жыл бұрын
42:55 have you considered that a 0/0 token would just give you a proliferate for 2 mana? It's not much, but I'd say it can be worth it if you have a few other things on the board
@jareddumke5300
Жыл бұрын
Yeah right because as soon as you flip it it would die because it has zero toughness
@TheHonestCritic777
Жыл бұрын
Remember friends. 3 cost mana rocks are fine. They don’t work when you are getting into full competitive/highly optimized play, they aren’t bad. Just don’t work in certain games. Keep your minds open and don’t listen blindly
@Drakelis
Жыл бұрын
It’s absolutely shameful that a significant part of the reprint value is in the plane cards and only ONE niche card above 5? That we know is going to go down in price? This would have been an ideal place for esper sentinel, blind obedience (thematic!), All is dust, arcbound ravager, Wurmcoil Engine? Kaldra Compleat? There were options.
@filippocacciotto3890
Жыл бұрын
Throw in a Throne of Geth fellas!!
@jakestromberg9128
Жыл бұрын
When is the MOM game knights episode going to come out?
@joeferreti9442
Жыл бұрын
Finally a deck to make use of that "Phyrexian Walker" that I have lying around since Visions. . . . (It's not a good card. It never saw play anywhere in all those years since the 90s.)
@drakko95
Жыл бұрын
Not sure how many sac outlets there are in the deck, but Rusted Slasher is a Phyrexian sac outlet for artifacts that can protect itself and even sacrifice itself in a pinch. Since Brimaz makes artifact creatures from the Incubators, you can freely sacrifice them once they flip to maximize the proliferate value
@drfuzzy3977
Жыл бұрын
shouldn't filligree vector be considered a 4 mana 2/2 cause it can use its ETB to self target
@09419
Жыл бұрын
I would recommend phyrexian marauder over walker. It's an X cast so when you return it with scrap trawler triggers it is 0 mana. Dies right away and both creates the incubator token and triggers brimaz.
@robonoaware
Жыл бұрын
Bloated processor does the same job as Phyrexian ghoul but in a way that is way way more useful to what this deck wants to do. I've been having fun upgrading this as incubate tokens are my new fav generated artifacts.
@bugg6597
10 ай бұрын
Talking about ramping into casting the commander, he is assuming you’ll have your commander out to help cast your commander… 36:56
@danielgoldberg2129
Жыл бұрын
I believe I have about 35 Sol Rings. (I even have one proxy alt art version because I thought it was cool looking. 😊)
@IamXSublime
Жыл бұрын
should have added phyrexian rager to the list that card is sweet here
@charlieblocher7456
Жыл бұрын
Did the video mention Idol of Oblivion? It'd be perfect card draw for this deck.
@Powerslide15
Жыл бұрын
Sweet, I have most of these cards to add.
@craig1287
Жыл бұрын
Showing Despark when talking about Inspiring Statuary cracked me up. You can't use Improvise to help pay for Despark, it has no generic mana in its cost.
@gabrielamaro1470
Жыл бұрын
I think I would rather build this deck by just buying the commander and buying the singles. Too much chaff in the precon just for tribal synergies, which is bizzare considering how amazing the knight deck is
@ronmcguire9045
Жыл бұрын
I feel like thran turbine would be a good but possibly slow budget fit in here. It’d flip an incubate token each turn or help pay other ability costs :)
@florianvandermoolen4853
Жыл бұрын
About the reprint value, also the decks are getting more expensive everytime, i think the reprint value should represent that as well.
@laughinggiant8845
Жыл бұрын
Maskwood nexus would go well with this deck as well only for the artifact creatures or additional changes where your constantly getting that phyrexian proliferate when they die.
@cameronpowell1864
Жыл бұрын
I am pretty high on ancient stone idol in a precon power level. That's a really big dude that leaves you with a pretty big dude if he gets killed. A lot of decks really struggle to deal with a 12/12 trampler coming at them.
@theotherguy4478
Жыл бұрын
I was surprised not to see Skrelv, Defector Mite get mentioned, if not added to the deck. Getting other creatures through with toxic will help with the proliferation of poison counters.
@chefboyardee851
Жыл бұрын
$6 card in a $10 budget
@ramenkingcruz
Жыл бұрын
Skrelvs Hive is a dece pick as long as it stays on the board.
@theotherguy4478
Жыл бұрын
@@chefboyardee851 First, Skrelv is $3.50, not $6. Second, I said "mentioned, if not added..." $30+ cards were mentioned, but somehow mentioning a $3.50 card is somehow bad? There is nothing wrong with my initial comment. I stayed within the parameters provided by the show.
@krimson459
Жыл бұрын
@@theotherguy4478 The cheapest copy of Skrelv is currently listed at 5.99$ USD on Card Kingdom and about the same on TCG Player...
@theotherguy4478
Жыл бұрын
@@krimson459 Card Kingdom (CK) is overpriced. I have never bought from them for that very reason. I just looked up Skrelv on TCG Player, and the market value is $3.86 for the lowest price, which has gone up since yesterday. Some are going for $3 right now. For many players, it fits in their budget, while CK doesn't. I can get a better price for the card at my lgs.
@GameSharkie
Жыл бұрын
We'd have love to have seen The Ozolith as a reprint Wizards £15
@mibbzx1493
Жыл бұрын
Early game: Vat of rebirth, Skrelv, esper sentinel Mid game: Ria ivor, Braids, Kaya to double token, tocasia’s welcome, skrelvs hive Finishers: Marionette master, completed Vraska
@olivierdebilde4292
Жыл бұрын
Prototype cards are also decent budget upgrades if you go for the artefact build. Provides both decent early and late game and adding flexibility. I wish they kept their full mana value on the prototype cast for this commander. Too bad.
@talonjansen8926
Жыл бұрын
Shout-out to Panzerr, wooot!❤
@CraftySloth
Жыл бұрын
So I love Rachel, she's great. But is this just her channel now..? She's in every video at this point. 😅 Love hearing her perspective though?
@CompleatedMagic
Жыл бұрын
This week on the “Rachel Weeks Command Cast”…
@GamerX13X
Жыл бұрын
I can only assume they were trying to avoid the deck becoming another orzov aristocrats-reanimation deck, but that cast from hand requirement is brutal. Can't even use a bolas' citadel or something to cast from the grave.
@scottirvine3861
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately my upgrade isn’t budget. I spent like $60 on 13 cards. For my upgrade I used: Wurmcoil Engine, Blightsteel Colossus, Sensor Splicer, Splicers Skill, Phyrexian Splicer, Elesh Norn/The Argent Etchings, Merciless Repurposing, Traumatic revelation, Essence of Orthodoxy, Norns Inquisitor, Phyrexian Awakening, Sunfall, and Sculpted perfection. The cards that I took out were: Path of the Schemer, Filegree Vector, Ichor Elixir, Duplicant, Fractured Powerstone, Bone Shredder, Cataclysmic Gearhulk, Vulpine Harvester, Scrap Trawler, and Keskit, the Flesh Sculptor. I decided to take a heavier incubator role with the deck than Phyrexian or Artifact. Then I have Elesh Norn to act as the primary win-con, and Blightsteel Colossus as a Reserve/Backup.
@originalink644
Жыл бұрын
Help, please!. I have a ton of old phyrexian cards. At time stamp stamp ~44:00 you said Phyrexian Walker counts as a phyrexian. How do I know if an old phyrexian card counts as a phyrexian creature type or not?
@leemiller6977
Жыл бұрын
Some cards have been "eratta'd" to have different sub-types. Not sure where to look for the changes though, sorry.
@scottricks1676
Жыл бұрын
im super amped to make a incubation edh deck. Might go new atraxa and just do all the good stuff!
@t-dogg9556
Жыл бұрын
Great in depth video
@stratuvarious8547
5 ай бұрын
I like 36 lands and 14 ramp/rocks.
@glowingmonster
Жыл бұрын
You said there's alot with the commander. There isn't. You just need to run artifact creatures and phyrexians, sac and reanimate. It's black white Korvold, that makes bodies.
@chellieisnerdy
Жыл бұрын
Thinking of getting this deck or the connive one....please cover it next if you can. Love your content!!
@rynebillings2226
Жыл бұрын
Do you mean convoke?
@orvar7035
Жыл бұрын
This deck looks like a COMPLEAT CATatsrophe .....because Brimaz is a...cat...phyrexian.....
@herbhaley5895
Жыл бұрын
The big question is: Will the Game Knights game featuring MOM use cards from the precons and $10 upgrade, or will players significantly swap out cards and blow through the $10 budget?
@c1dv1c1ous
Жыл бұрын
I'm taking that invite seriously, I always wanted to play PDS but I never got a chance.
@Anew522
Жыл бұрын
Not what you did for the deck but sundial of the infinite is pretty great with Moira and Teshar. Will probably either buy the precon or just Moira and Teshar and build a deck from that instead.
@Lordlesatg
Жыл бұрын
When you have a 4 mana commander, you want 2 mana ramp so you can cast them on turn 3. First ramp added plays on turn 2, activates on turn 3 to give you a tapped land you can use on turn 4...Am I missing something?
@alexanderforbes1452
Жыл бұрын
Argh, I'm torn, when I saw the decks spoiled I knew I wanted one to get a set of planechase cards because I really want to try it. My problem is none of them are very appealing to me, but of the group I thought this one might be good, I could use the etch foil card as commander and put the normal one in my Urza deck, maybe cannibalize some other cards from it too. But when I was playing the Urza deck I realized I had a lot of token decks, and when I'm putting counters on those tokens it just becomes too bothersome to keep track. These two creatures have three counters on them because they came in last turn, but this other token, which is identical, only has one, these four creatures are artifacts so they get +1/+0, but all my creatures get +1/+1, but only on attack. Boards like this are the rule, but the exception, and this kinda looks like the same thing is gonna happen. So I don't know, maybe I should just get the planechase cards by themselves.
@sweatybetty1776
Ай бұрын
I know these people probably know alot more than me so pls let me know if im wrong but wouldnt the 0/0 phyrexian from walker still come in and hit the board, triggering brimaz for 2 generic mana?
@Threeve703
Жыл бұрын
Black (or Orzhov) artifacts is a super cool theme and while i think the face commander is interesting, this precon is really disappointing. Edit: as usual, great recommendations for upgrades.
@dyjost
Жыл бұрын
someone wanna yell at Maro or Gavin and ask why spawning pit doesn't make phyrexian spawns? its from darksteel and calls out new phyrexia by name. seems like it's a phyrexia card to me...
@AlejandroValravn
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know… this deck seems weird to me. Great job with the upgrade because it’s the first time that I’ve seen a deck practically unplayable out of the box. The other 4 precons look way better 🤷🏻♂️
@aokiji99
Жыл бұрын
can filigree vector put +1+1 counter on incubate token while its still an artifact?
@nicksternyr8728
Жыл бұрын
The budget budget upgrade
@89qwyg9yqa34t
Жыл бұрын
I mean realistically you can buy $10 of bulk and get an EDH deck that's more interesting than that precon.
@christophercomeaux8005
Жыл бұрын
25 dollar budget is much more interesting
@overtone55
Жыл бұрын
Bane of progress goes burr against this deck
@jarzz3601
Жыл бұрын
I think it might be literally impossible to print sol ring into the ground :D
@themrretro9730
Жыл бұрын
The Rachel zone again just give her the channel at this point guys
@MichaelCastorano
Жыл бұрын
This video has been incubating
@billygregory1547
Жыл бұрын
This video was so incubating that it should be able to tap like a black lotus when u put a +1 +1 counter on it
@huntertreadway4390
3 ай бұрын
When hes explaining brimaz'es abilities doesnt brimaz turn into a 4/4 on flip if the mana value is 3 because brimaz gives a +1/+1
@drekarus8113
Жыл бұрын
Charge counters are counters for noncreature permanents so wouldn’t they be used for the incubate tokens?
@XaldinOfWind
Жыл бұрын
vector charge counters are for the trigons
@derekwilliamson2118
Жыл бұрын
It’s pronounced “Anne X Sentry”
@GrinningFeline
Жыл бұрын
If you transform an incubator with 0 counters, does it dying trigger Brimaz?
@therealax6
Жыл бұрын
Yes, as it is a creature when it dies.
@bashlindsay7618
Жыл бұрын
When is the new episode of Game Knights going to come out?
@charlied8284
Жыл бұрын
10$ does absolutely nothing to upgrade
@zaphodbeebs2486
Жыл бұрын
Rachel I'm wondering what is on your sweatshirt and where did you get it? It looks super cool
@johnpalombo4023
Жыл бұрын
How come you guys never mention the new cappena commander precons when comparing value?
@OverlyCriticalAnime
Жыл бұрын
Duplicate isnt that bad since it exiles the creature and you can take something big
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