You were perfectly entitled to defend or not defend. You had track position, so it’s your choice. In F1 would Max make it easy for Lewis, or vice versa? No. Did Alonso make it easy for Lewis recently? No. Whether you have pitted or not has no relevance, it’s for position. Some KZitemrs and Top Split drivers, have a certain arrogance about them. They think it’s their right to be in front of “lesser” drivers. Well done for standing up for the little guy/gal. 👍
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't want to be pushed over
@SimRacingKnightmare
2 жыл бұрын
I have seen the arrogance you refer to. I even got blasted for calling Kie out about it in one of his videos. He and a lot of his followers find him to be pretty much faultless. That's their choice. Like I said in my first comment to this video....since those guys are "top split" drivers, then I think it's up to them to find a way around. After all, if they are THAT good it shouldn't be a big problem for them to get by someone who 'isn't as good' as they are.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
@@simpleboy3457 you came into my stream after this repeatedly saying BLUE FLAGS
@SimRacingKnightmare
2 жыл бұрын
@@simpleboy3457 I don't dispute that it slows both down. But this example was ONE CORNER. If Kiereth had been staying in the way for 4 to 5 corners then I would see a valid complaint coming from Kie and his followers. However and again, Kie is a tip split guy. Kiereth is not quite there (no offense Kiereth) and with that being the case, then Kie should be good enough (which he was) to get past without much trouble. The reaction to one corner was completely overblown and not necessary.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
@@SimRacingKnightmare none taken!
@justcaino9176
2 жыл бұрын
Kie is good but sometimes doesn't see when he does wrong.... But if the situation is reversed, he'd be calling u a dckhead or an idiot in his chat. Humility isn't his strong suit tbh guess that why he donated to make it up mate.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I think he is slightly more on the edge and that makes for entertaining streams
@justcaino9176
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth he just expects people to move out of his way mate. No lie if he has a strategy and someone gets in the way he will say something..... Its a race mate deal with it :) Been watching him for at least 3 years now it's a recurring pattern not ur fault mate
@noboruryuu4345
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly why I don't bother watching or supporting kie25 channel
@justcaino9176
2 жыл бұрын
@@simpleboy3457 over 2 years and haven't seen it? I don't believe you mate Similar to what happened between him and Digit 1 or 2 weeks ago, dis you see that either? :o
@rolirolster
2 жыл бұрын
Okay, I've watched the incident now. You were completely within your rights, it's called racing for a reason, you have your race to run, Kie has his and you were both trying to do your best. At the end of the day people get too invested into the guys they watch, so they'll give you shit because they want their guy to win. Just ignore them, good racing and funny pleb moment!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Verified Pleb Moment!
@rolirolster
2 жыл бұрын
@@simpleboy3457 I think you're missing the picture. As Kireth said they met at a point whereby he would have lost loads of time by letting him by, don't forget his tyres were already worn. There would have been no slip as it was on a chicane.
@brianaarts7620
2 жыл бұрын
@@simpleboy3457 I think his frustration may have been not ending in first though, looking for a reason that's not his fault? With the Swedish person ending up way in front, even though there was still a couple of seconds of a gap (with Kie25 in the lead) after that one corner. Sounds like an overreaction to me (even though I personally haven't played this game, nor have I seen content from Kie25)
@griff_the_boxer
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think anyone is arguing he’s not within his rights. Of course he CAN race this way…it just doesn’t make any sense to lose time defending against P1 when he isn’t even really racing for P1. This isn’t a life or death issue, but it’s just important to understand that there’s a difference between saying it makes no sense to defend there so you shouldn’t have done it, and “you CANT defend there.” No one is saying he CANT, just that it makes no sense.
@griff_the_boxer
2 жыл бұрын
@@rolirolster he wouldn’t have lost “loads of time” by taking the wide line and not defending. I’ve literally never heard someone claim they would have lost time by not defending. That doesn’t even make sense.
@shaunluckham1418
2 жыл бұрын
I am subbed to Kie’s, yours and Rory’s channel for the racing. I don’t care who wins where. It was just a daily so no big issue. Nice racing at the start, shame about the tire disaster😀
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Genuime pleb moment 😅😅😅
@goldenbotto
2 жыл бұрын
Tyre change was my fav 😂 About the kie’s take over, I did spot only good racing, you were entitled to defend, both of you left space enough for corner, and then you let him through, no harm done to anyone.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
That was my thinking!
@an-dt7129
2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter if you're in first or 19th, if you are the car in front of anyone else, you get to take the line you want. The person behind you doesn't get to dictate what your line is, they only get to figure out how to pass you, cleanly.
@MrHDot1997
2 жыл бұрын
it's kind of embarrassing that top split driver's don't like hard racing, especially when it's a daily race that frankly means nothing in the grand scheme of things (except maybe a few dr points). sim racers already don't get taken seriously by some people, and if we show them the fastest drivers they'll see people whining about having to earn overtakes against drivers they know are slower than them? on top of that, the game's at the end of it's life cycle, and we have an EXHIBITION series as the final fia season, so dr and all that stuff doesn't even really matter anymore. we should just enjoy racing for the sake of racing at this point man
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I think they like hard racing but not when us plebs get in the way perhaps?
@MrHDot1997
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth that's a really weak mindset to have as a top driver to be honest; how will having everyone let you pass even benefit you as a driver? like seriously it's a race man, the winner should be the guy who had the best race and made the best of any situation that arose between the start and finish imagine if a real life pro that regularly races in top flight series turned up to a club level race and complained about having to actually set overtakes up...
@nm-1-m159
2 жыл бұрын
Gotta find a clean way past not just expect people to move
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
100% karting strat
@DAS--71
2 жыл бұрын
I watched this in Kies stream, that's racing, can't believe the crap that went on afterwards. Oh and thanks for showing Kies car, I did the livery 👍
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Nice livery!! What was the reaction like in Kie's stream?
@DAS--71
2 жыл бұрын
Just the usual people making mountains out of mole holes by jumping back and forth between yours and Kie's Stream, telling tales, Kie jumped on them telling them not to. "It was racing" 👍
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Ah fair enough. Personally I don't think it helps then that Kie deleted his stream
@x-FunkyMonkey
2 жыл бұрын
Without watching the video, Let me say this first. You should never pull over and wave top split aliens through . (unless you want to). They have the experience to pass you with a clean overtake .... Doesn't matter if you're p1 or p19. Now i will watch the video and see happened.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Please let us know!
@x-FunkyMonkey
2 жыл бұрын
And now after i watched, i dont know what the fuzz is all about. 1defence in 1 corner? Dont question yourself Kireth, did nothing wrong.👍✌️
@wombleleaderracing6455
2 жыл бұрын
I came into this vid totally oblivious to the incident having not seen any of either stream and well.....talk about a nothing burger!! Personally I didn't see the point in defending given the circumstances. On the other hand it is for position despite the strategy differences so you are entitled to do so if you wish. One thing for sure you didn't deserve any grief for an incident that at most cost kie 6-7 tenths and lasted 1 corner. Also disappointed on the pit incident....I was expecting death by pit wall with a reset to the track 😁😁 Il go check out both streams and see what went down!!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I'm massively surprised by the fuss. At the end of this race I didn't even know why he would be so worked out by it. Let me know what your thoughts are watching his stream
@sweed_zurich1845
2 жыл бұрын
🤣 I just feel sorry for kie! Please don’t do that again, let the little kid win.
@x-FunkyMonkey
2 жыл бұрын
This weekend you heard the only right answer. "Toto, its called a Motor Race."
@Niesaki
2 жыл бұрын
You were legitimately the leader of the race at that point. Your focus therefore was your race and your strategy. Weather you choose to take a particular defences line or, let him by and follow is entirely 100% your call if it is in alignment with YOUR race strategy.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking!
@jodysisk3871
2 жыл бұрын
So basically if your on medium tires you have to get out of the way of everyone with soft tires because their faster...wait...that makes no sense...
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a concurrent time trial
@r4mhamilton
2 жыл бұрын
If you still need to make a pitstop it’s smarter to not fight, it ruins your tyres and just costs a lot of time
@jodysisk3871
2 жыл бұрын
@@r4mhamilton true. But we have every right to put up fight
@fondfarewell2
2 жыл бұрын
@@jodysisk3871 sure you have the right to, but it doesn't make any sense to do it. You are only losing yourself time to others that are near you.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
What if I enjoy the racing and don't care too much about losing 2 tenths?
@Jimmie92
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand Kie’s problem here and I’ve known him since 2010, all you literally did was defend your line, no contact, no last minute blocking at all.
@ironmanTetsuoTV
2 жыл бұрын
One corner? Totally blown out of proportion. Top split racers like Kie get lonely out front all the time, they forget other people are racing too.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Hey we exist too!
@RealFatBan
11 ай бұрын
i may be 2 years late but what steering wheel is that? looks quite good
@s420gaming2
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe your plan was to hold up kie for Rory. :) Also some folks would have made it a hell of a lot harder to get past for as long as they could. Certainly zero in the race to rage about other than the tires. You, Ollie, Rory just keep the positive vibe and have fun. Some of us prefer Gentlemen racers!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Sssh that plan is secret!
@ZachNovak
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing in the defensive move, both of you kept respectful distance to 'race' and he got through cleanly on the 2nd corner of attack. Seems like a nothing thing... but hey, I found you and you got a new sub 🤣
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Well something good came out of it I guess! 🤘🤘🤘
@cjfee
2 жыл бұрын
It's up to the faster driver to find a way past. It's far safer for the car in front to stay predictably on the racing line than to make unpredictable moves off the line that may cause incidents.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Yep this is how we approach things in karting
@supercededman
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth yup. Ask Ollie about his last lap tangle in the iRacing Suzuka 6 hour. Could have been more patient. Ended his race when he collided with car he was lapping on last lap whilst holding 4th. In a SIX-HOUR!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Dang! Sounds a bit like ours in the Suzuka 12 hours 😅
@supercededman
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth or your crash on top of the mountain in a Bathurst endurance race with Team ROCK. Ouch.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
We got crashed into twice by the same guy 😅😅😅
@MrPejoha
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand the fuss. He has to get past you, right? You were clean and fair (didn’t run him out of road on the exit). End of.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I was very surprised by the fuss. He may have fixated that this lost him the race
@stevengaudette3436
2 жыл бұрын
Man I don't know the other guy but probably just salty he didn't finish 1st lol you were racing clean and hard and that's what everyone wants. Keep up the good work and cheers from Canada!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Wow hello from London!!
@glassbackdiy3949
2 жыл бұрын
When you stopped the vid and said 'that was it' I was like.. eh? If Kie was upset about that because of his reputation, he definately earnt a "Ronnie Pickering" nickname right there lol
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was a reputation thing 💁♂️
@Tiburon_Odyssey
2 жыл бұрын
If you're quick enough to be in that lobby, then whether you're a big name or not, you have as much right to be there as they do. It's as simple as that. How much time you spend playing, or whether you do it for a living or not, doesn't give you some divine right to be ahead of what you might deem a lesser driver. You fucking earn it. And if you can't get past, take it on the chin and accept it. Respect doesn't come into it. Anyone using that to denigrate your performance knows they have no argument against how you drove other than their favourite youtuber was on the receiving end. As for this incident specifically, yes, you were in different races, but it's not a blue flag situation, and if a rule isn't good enough to be written, it doesn't deserve to be followed. I'm not a fan of unwritten rules in any sport.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Whoa my man going in HARD
@Twi5T
2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, you probably lost more time defending on that hairpin because he had such a huge speed advantage on you. It's just seen as bad etiquette to defend guys who are pretty much running a different race than you. You don't have to lift and let them by, but defending aggressively will usually lose you more time than just taking that time loss on a single corner. You actually end up battling him into the next turn after the hairpin resulting in even more loss in overall pace. Having said that, you're definitely within your rights to make a defensive move there. It wasn't dirty so Kie will just have to suck it up and move along. People often forget that we're just trying to have fun playing games and focus on every mistake and imperfection. I think you ran a great race overall(minus the pit lol) and I enjoyed this video.
@santhanmoodley5692
2 жыл бұрын
Hi kireth. Thanks for the video. So... Here's the rule I follow, You are in the race - Too Race ! It doesn't matter what position you are fighting for. You are entitled to do your fastest strategy. I'm also not a very big fan of lapped cars being asked to move aside but that's a conversation for another day.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
We're there to race!!
@SophieAeronwen
2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see the Lindt livery still in use 😁
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Worth those extra tenths!!
@ElectricTSL
2 жыл бұрын
Hey kireth, you were in the lead so crack on and defend.you were nice and clean so no worries. great racing!! Love the channel👌🏻👏🏻👊🏼😁😎
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Message received my man!
@andrewbedford3362
2 жыл бұрын
Would Hamilton move over for Verstappen or vice versa if they were on different starts? Absolutely not and you definitely did not have to move. I understand Kie's point that you maybe cost yourself a bit of time but that's your choice to race how you want. It wasn't as if you were being lapped and holding him up, you were in 1st! Also, if during his attempt to get past you, he dipped a wheel on the grass, span and lost 30 secs, then you have gained yourself another place. Why should you have to move over just because someone is perceived to be faster than you?
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Should we pull over when they start from the back?
@andrewbedford3362
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth - Absolutly not! Only time you pull over is for a blue flag IMHO
@Tyler-dw4zy
2 жыл бұрын
Fair move, well within your rights to make it. It may have cost him 2 tenths of a second, it isn't as if you've spun him out or anything. Also, I find it incredibly hard to believe he would be saying something had he beat PR1 Fire. Sounds like this is a "mad cuz bad" situation.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Possibly!
@SimRacingKnightmare
2 жыл бұрын
It always cracks me up how arrogant some of the top guys can be. So...just because he is faster then you are just supposed to pull bow down and pull over? Well...as far as I am concerned, if they are truly that good then they should be able to find a way past you without much trouble. You have every right to defend your position.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@SimRacingKnightmare
2 жыл бұрын
I will pout it this way...if I ever found myself in a race with Fraga I KNOW I am going to get my ass handed to me. But if he starts behind me, I am definitely NOT going to just let him by without at least trying to make his life a little difficult. To do otherwise wouldn't be in the spirit of competition.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
@@SimRacingKnightmare 100% agree
@TheMrCasual_
2 жыл бұрын
I think you had the right to kireth. Tho I will say under no circumstances should anyone be attacking someone else because you don't like what they have done. We as a sim racing community can do better and should do better 💜 #BEABETTERPERSON
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
#beabetterperson
@ElectricTSL
Жыл бұрын
1 year on and I still love this video👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@CwtchDuck
2 жыл бұрын
If you've earned the right to be there then you earn the right to race. I used to watch Kie but haven't for months now after seeing terrible moments, even shouting at his kids for walking into his room. The guy is aggressive and brings that aggressiveness into stream, even bullying maybe. So it's his problem that he needs to sort out, not you moving over
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I think he is a bit more on the edge and maybe you need to be to be that fast
@CwtchDuck
2 жыл бұрын
@@Groundtoahalt I was on Stream when it happened. That was my last one
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
@@LukeBattersby19 very fair comment. I find in karting you can't really get heated up as you'll fog up your helmet!
@HuntyPlayzz
2 жыл бұрын
So essentially what's happened is how dare you defend your position and race.....in a racing game and not let them through....your P1 you get to dictate the pace of the race....kie just simply couldn't hack that concept as his attitude is everyone should just let him through.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised it's so controversial?
@fuatdomanic
2 жыл бұрын
You were in front, you were in 1st (first…) position for univers sakes!!! Which means; You ABSOLUTELY had the right to choose any -racing- line you like which you did gracefully. Anyone who disagrees with that FACT should rather attend to soup kitchens but not to racing… There is a reason that it’s called “racing” which means this not a place to offer donations for no reason except the blue flag which ironically even the game’s arcade software doesn’t bother to comply… If a real “champion” would make such a complaint -openly- in real life, he/she would not be considered a champion from that moment on and would be ridiculed to death!🤦🏻♂️ Thanks for the fun and useful videos.🖖
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
No worries Fuat!!
@yautjayarrington1732
2 жыл бұрын
I think its up to you, personally i would try and be as fast as i could and if fighting was slowing me down then i would make an opening, but it is up to you how you want to race and everyone should respect that.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Very fair comment 👍
@bernardausterberry6174
2 жыл бұрын
If you're a lap down give way. If you're leading defend and make them work to get by. Behind the wheel, ( IF YOU'RE CLEAN ), everyone is equal no royalty in racing. No freebies or handouts.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
We are racing after all
@Coloccinilegend
2 жыл бұрын
Lol was waiting for this big incident or him sitting behind you for the full last sector. Bit over hyped really! Just racing, I'd have moved over because it's kie and I know he's faster and generally I'd lose time by battling. I think your point on not losing time is valid, but really you did it for the lols and cos its racing. Think at the time you thought it would be good to put on a race, gets a vid out with lots of views (let's be fair, that's why I'm here!), grows the channel. Lots of comments too. I say well done you sir!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Future KZitemr right here! 🔥🔥🔥
@Coloccinilegend
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth haha watch out for cousin_cal starting up a channel!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
👀👀👀
@psimmoaz
2 жыл бұрын
I dont think you did anything wrong. It looked very fair - no contact and room given. The closest ive been to this is when youtubers or A++ drivers start at the back to try and get to the front in a a/a+ lobby. They often fly past me and comprise my race. I mostly try and let them past but this was pushed past a few times last week in the s's at suzuka which cost me loads of time. When im fighting to keep around 40000 this often means im guaranteed to lose a position to someone with 80000 . I love the content you, Kie, Rory , Ollie and Tidgney create. I wish you would still find time to do your Sunday open lobbies.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
We'll be doing some more fun lobbies for sure!
@VirtuosoGT
2 жыл бұрын
Spicy bit of drama for a weekly race lobby 😂 No idea what Kie was crying over, if you have track position, it's totally your choice. Sure, it may not have been your race at that point in time, but the guy is fast enough to put a move on fair and square. If it was an FIA race, I could understand a little bit of frustration, but to throw his rattle out the pram for defending your position in one corner which probably lost him two tenths? Nah. Don't get me wrong, I have mad respect for all of you guys, Kie included, but damn 😂
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
This drama took me massively by surprise!!
@DEAJP10
2 жыл бұрын
Storm in a teacup, mate. Nothing wrong with what you did. Kie fanboys just get a bit blinkered which is good in a way as they clearly are loyal to Kie (awww), but that means they are prone to confirmation bias. Don’t feel bad - he’s had way way worse to deal with and as such got way way angrier. This doesn’t register on the scale, believe!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
We race on!
@prvics
2 жыл бұрын
I think when a top split driver “better, faster” driver can’t overtake you while you driving and defending by the rules does he really better then you?
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Asking the real questions 😯😯😯
@chrisskinner2325
2 жыл бұрын
This is a major problem we have in the sim racing community........."Elitist mentality". That Kie25 is a big streamer doesn't mean you have to get off track for him. You had every right to defend even if it wasn't the best decision. Keep your head up buddy @Kireth Kart
@ALS_HRZN
2 жыл бұрын
Well actually what you did wasn't wrong or prohibited, as you said you were in P1 and you could do whatever you wanted to (as long as it stays in the racing etiquette, and you did). The point is that you were in a different race, he was fighting for P1 while you were fighting for a different position. Generally in situations like that it's not recommended to take a defensive line, since it's gonna slow down both you and kie in the main strategy and in the overall pace. It's one of those rules that are not written anywhere on rulebooks, but drivers applies it anyway. But still, with everything i said until now, it was still a daily race, something made for fun and entertainment. I guess kie was really focused on the race and was really trying to beat PR1_Fire, taking the whole race on a competitive level, while on the other side you were just having fun without any kind of expectations, you know. I guess that was the reason of his reaction, maybe a bit too harsh but understandable as the race was just finished and the adrenaline was still high for him. To be honest, this clash is nothing that couldn't be solved and clarified with a nice talk! :)
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the considered opinion here!
@laok007
2 жыл бұрын
This is the response agree with 100%. In the end, it's just a daily race. It will be forgotten by next week by main parties.
@supercededman
2 жыл бұрын
Using Kie's strategy would surely have to take into account that you may have to fight ur way back to top posn, possibly having to find ur way thru drivers who have not yet lapped. I'd never expect someone to just cede a track posn. If I were way slower, yes, but Kireth was not. Spot on, Kireth.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
@@supercededman absolutely!
@TheDarkestOne
2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly justified racing defending kie. He wouldn't have let you by if roles were reversed. The massive sends up the inside of the first lap or two were pretty aggressive. I think if they weren't so spacially aware or if they didn't back out of it, it would have been carnage a few times.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Very fair point, one at the hairpin was well at or over the limit
@binglefish_6742
2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you on this one. You have every right to defend your P1. Some of the corner sends earlier in the race however are debatable.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Fair comment!
@famtastic6367
Жыл бұрын
It’s completely up to him to find a clean way around you at that point! I’ve watched that kie a few times he always wants people to give him space but he never gives anyone space himself and cuts people up all the time I wouldn’t worry what Dominic littlewood has to say for himself 🤣
@rolirolster
2 жыл бұрын
We love the drama!
@mikethomson2178
2 жыл бұрын
If I was watching this video with no information as to whether or not there was an issue I would have guessed there was no drama! I am a big fan of Kie and watch just about all his streams but I have also watched some of your content and I can honestly say I don't think you did anything wrong here.
@Randy_W_retro_gamer
2 жыл бұрын
You are right.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
💪
@sandilemkhwanazi9144
2 жыл бұрын
Kie never moves over for others,dont know why he would throw a tantrum that you didnt easily move over for him.He must fken chill!!
@jdevlin1910
2 жыл бұрын
Because he's a hypocrite mate. He can do what he likes but the second you don't let him past you're being dirty lol.
@sandilemkhwanazi9144
2 жыл бұрын
@@jdevlin1910 Yes true
@fanaticracer1202
2 жыл бұрын
Kie is a crybaby! He would do the same in this position! You can defend your position at all times! Amen 🙏
@GT5ProBob
2 жыл бұрын
If that incident caused Kie to cry, bitch and moan I'm not surprised. The guy cries about anything but will do exactly the same himself. He's done it against me whilst I've been watching his stream. In my opinion, which I'm allowed, he is a "Privileged" KZitem streamer who believes that everything he does is right and as long as you get out of his way you're OK, how dare you defend P1! I've no respect for "men" who bully others online or offline and shout and swear like he does at his little girl whilst streaming 😡 You're doing a great job dude, keep the content coming!
@supercededman
11 ай бұрын
I'm coming to this video a year after it was posted. You've grown as a racer since then, but in no way were you in the wrong. As you said, you were holding P1, and it was NOT a blue flag situation.
@Kireth
11 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@usernametakenGT7
2 жыл бұрын
Kie25 is abusive to his stream. I got banned from his channel for liking PR1 Fire.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Huh?
@usernametakenGT7
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth kie always uses abusive language in his live streams. I got banned because i said let pr1 fire past him. At the time kie was 12th and was slower. Pr1 fire is a driver i like but by saying what i said i was called a troll and blocked from his channel. I was subscribed to kie25 for over 3 years. I only watch Tigney and Digit now because i find kie has angry vocal problems and lashes out in an overly aggressive way.
@usernametakenGT7
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth watch Guyz SRT channel you will understand exactly what i mean.
@hyunckleracing4410
2 жыл бұрын
You are on the same lap as him and you are the race leader. You have all the rights to defend your position to the end no matter how slow you are compared to him. As long there is no blue flag, that position is yours. If you ask me, i would say you were too easy on the corner, should have defended even harder. Good luck mate :)
@matt200769
2 жыл бұрын
Off topic but great choice for backing song, love pendulum :)
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
This or blood sugar!
@matt200769
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth I revisit hold your colour every so often such a great album
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
🤘🤘🤘
@JDub_GP
2 жыл бұрын
You had track position 100% and can drive defensive. The whole point is, that by defending you are slowing his best lap for tyres, thereby giving yourself an advantage when you pit and change tyres. But you needed to box at end of that lap to enjoy the advantage of defending. You did nothing wrong.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought! Bit surprised by all the reaction at the time
@jsimracing8319
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth having listened to Kie, he himself says you had every right to do what you did. The part you need to understand though, and Kie is correct, you woukd have been better off letting him pass as you were effectively 20sec behind even though you were in p1 because you hadnt pitted yet. If you let him go and then stayed in his slip stream, you would have been in a better position overall at the end of the race. So you are both correct, but he is trying to help you get better. Its not that you should just move out of the way. The trolls had a bigger issue with it then him, he is just passionate when he drives.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
What if that's the only evening of the week I can race on GT Sport though and I don't care whether I finish P13 or P16?
@jsimracing8319
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth then do as you did, and enjoy battling instead of placing. I find it more interesting to fight then place. Like i said originally, you didnt do anything wrong.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
🤘🤘🤘
@crazygoat457
2 жыл бұрын
You were racing! Defending a turn in P1 is the correct move. He got by cleanly. You saved time....you are not in the wrong.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
My thinking!
@High.on.Life_DnB
2 жыл бұрын
Fighting is what makes racing fun, this was fair fighting, you don't gain positions by demanding the guy in front to let you pass....
@hyperlane5289
2 жыл бұрын
Woahhh if that's seriously all that happened, that's a pretty silly thing to get angry at.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
100% but he was in a race with Fire so I get why he was upset - to get so angry was a bit much though
@michaelhorton9506
2 жыл бұрын
I think the point is you didn’t need to defend,you weren’t racing Kie. A situation where just because you can defend dosent mean you should. Also disagree that you saved time by defending. No need for the ‘little guy’ narrative this isn’t what it’s about.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Fair comments and I appreciate them 👍
@lukepitts5774
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a new sub for both you and kie I don't see anything wrong with what you did. Great content keep up the great work and great driving
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Just hard racing!
@ronway6222
2 жыл бұрын
You had the track position. It was your corner to defend. Nice racing, Keith.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron!
@vqsryan1807
2 жыл бұрын
Well you gotta understand that technically what you did wasn’t really necessary since you weren’t really in the same race
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I don't disagree with that. But is it wrong?
@barra333
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth Nope. It was a really clean defense, and you left him room on the outside. I think is was dubious from a tactical standpoint, but I also understand your view that Kie would have parked it on the apex to make sure he ruined your momentum.
@vqsryan1807
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth technically it’s not wrong I agree. But wouldnt you be annoyed if you were put in the same situation as Kie where a slower driver is trying to battle you on worse tyres and isn’t even fighting for position and is just ahead because of a pitstop. No disrespect I’m just giving my opinion as a former top split driver
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
@@vqsryan1807 I'd 100% be annoyed but forget about it 2 corners later - would you bring it up at the end of the race and tweet about it in all honesty?
@vqsryan1807
2 жыл бұрын
@@Kireth well no I would not bring it up in post race chat and tweet about it I’d just say some bad words about the situation and move along with life
@CharlieRosco
2 жыл бұрын
Well tonight on twitter I found out that because you probably aren't going to win, the onus is on you as the lead car, to get out of the way and not hinder the progress of the faster cars who are likely to win. So based on that, I'm sorry mate, but I guess you're in the wrong?
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Our next iRacing 24 hours has become SO easy!
@eesar4032
2 жыл бұрын
Mr Rosco Goated
@RA-Redacted68
2 жыл бұрын
Principle Charlie. What you don't see is how kie performs on the track when he does the exact same thing, then calls them every name you can think off. I think what Kireth done was not malicious, he defended his race, even though he had not pitted yet, he still had his race to consider. So why should Kireth have to move for a guy who has pitted and has fresher tyres ( especially when real racing drivers don't when they race) when he can pass when it is necessary to do so. And after the hairpin left, kie passed Kireth at the next corner, so what is his problem. And if you look at how much of a time kie lost to Fire, then Kireth was not the mistake, but his own. kie is a hypocrite and a cry baby. Always wants his way on the track. And his attitude stinks that much that you will see that he has stopped his live stream from last night from being published. He knows what he has said, and it isn't pleasant mate. Dam right disgusting!
@eesar4032
2 жыл бұрын
@@RA-Redacted68 bad I think Mr Rosco is taking the piss lol
@CharlieRosco
2 жыл бұрын
@@RA-Redacted68 sorry for the confusion mate, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek 😜
@jerrybrown1283
2 жыл бұрын
Fully entitled to take racing line. Not a lap down. All good fella
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Keep calm and carry on 🇬🇧
@evanmay7390
2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing Kie's argument is that you hadn't pitted yet, therefore were not really racing him and cost you both time? That seems like one perspective and a position you could have taken, but you didn't. You're in the same race (BOTH top split!), not being lapped and it's entirety your perogative to defend or not. I'm subbed to Kie too and he's an intense driver and competitor. Nothing wrong with that but hopefully next time it just stays on the racetrack. Cheers and take your time with those tire changes 🤣
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Yep 100% and I would be annoyed too - thanks for the opinion!
@Dissposable_Hero
Жыл бұрын
100% in the right, you can defend until the cows come home, you didnt make multiple moves in the braking zone, then you wouldve had an issue, you took one line and stuck to it, its his obligation to try and get past you, it is not your obligation, when fighting for position, to move over
@TCR_710-Cap
2 жыл бұрын
I have that funny feeling that you got a bit nervous/lost your rhythm in the 20-30 seconds before the hairpin, even ran on the grass with your right tyres, so you made it easy for Kie to catch up. And why not defend? After the hairpin you didn't make life hard for him, as you knew you would have to pit anyway, so, I don't understand the drama. And the fact that you were racing in that lobby is a true sign that you belong there. To what was Kie referring with his "Really?" question? Maybe to your 1 minute penalty? Happy racing ~ Purple-in-Lap2 aka Seven-Ten Cap!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Very astute analysis!!
@iWizardzZ_x
Жыл бұрын
Honestly that was so minor i have no idea how that stirred up so much drama. You defended for one hairpin and made it clear where your line was. You didnt swerve around and block him or run him off the track. Its a weird thing to call out because if it was Kie25 he probably would have defended that too.
@Kireth
Жыл бұрын
💁♂️💁♂️
@sonicworm8249
2 жыл бұрын
in that situation you are under no obligation to let him past or make it easy for him
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
That's what I think
@jasonrussell2974
22 күн бұрын
You raced clean. Nothing untoward.
@LightspeedVideo
2 жыл бұрын
Let a long standing feud commence! Could be bigger than Jake Paul vs Tyson!!!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Ummm Tommy? 😅😅😅
@richardleech9477
2 жыл бұрын
I can't see you done anything wrong, it was you position to defend. Shame about the tire blunder 🤣
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't cancel it!!
@thommcneil3108
2 жыл бұрын
Why , does Kie25 own the game or something ? I watch and enjoy both your streams , but find yourself and a few others to be in it to win , but fair fun is the name of the game . (Unlike some other former team rocksters)These type are in it to be “somebody” at all costs . Stay on it and send away mate . I’m with you on this one .
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thom!
@madstar876gaming6
2 жыл бұрын
It was your corner simple and it's a race 🏁
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
We are racing drivers!
@DuffPharming
2 жыл бұрын
Serious 😮??!! That was it?!?! Defending for a corner when you are racing for position is just normal. I understand Kie may feel somewhat entitled to pass you as he is on a different strategy, but GT does not stand for Gentlemen’s Teaparty. Part of racing (yes, RACING) is for him to …. erm……. race you, right? When you introduced the video I thought we were about to see two laps of blocking from you! But one defensive corner? Get real! Well done.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I think it's because I was "interfering" in the battle for the race win!
@VVGNismo
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with what you did with Kie. I would’ve done exactly the same. And nice one with the double softs haha 😂
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@gdavies1103
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with taking the defensive line at all, I really don’t understand what the issue is here. You have track position (no blue flag) and that’s key regardless if other drivers have newer tyres, different compounds or whatever the other driver thinks. He doesn’t have a divine right to be in front of you regardless of his/her standing. it’s racing and your opponent simply has to deal with it.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
That was my thinking
@mysteryincracing
2 жыл бұрын
Over the last year I’ve changed my attitude to kie, Rory, Steve and Ollie, all are so up themselves, any inside the they blame others and not look at they actions, you defend ok in my opinion and why not make him fight for the place.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
It's a motor race!
@RA_Vencher26
2 жыл бұрын
Think you both have good points tbh, I can see both sides of it. It's the reaction that has gone ott not necessarily the incident itself.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Very fair comment Steve 👍
@flo_h_96
2 жыл бұрын
I think generally there is no need to let top split drivers through, but it all depends on the situation! The discussion if you had the right to defend is the wrong discussion, because obviously you have the right. What we should discuss is if it made sense to defend. I think it would have been better to not defend, as your tyres were already pretty bad at this moment and Kie had completely fresh tyres, he wouldn't have slowed you down, if you would let him the inside, I think both of you would have lost less time. I mean look at F1, if someone from the midfield is in Front of a top car, because of a totally different strategy and with old tyres they always let the top cars past without defending. And Kie also said, if you both were on the same strategy you could have fought him as hard as you want. But what went on afterwards was definitely over the top, and completely unnecessary. I mean it wasn't such a big deal to let it come that far!
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your considered thoughts!
@NightWanderer31415
2 жыл бұрын
Lol at those qualy times, it took me hours to get mine down to 1:35.800 😁
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
It's a really tricky combo! Another video coming up on jt
@thepubchaser9664
2 жыл бұрын
Kies built a reputation on acting like a complete clown. He's delusional mate.
@eyeceman6995
17 сағат бұрын
He got pissy over that? Pssssh, dude needs to.learn how to chill. Like you said, you earned the right to be there, so you earned the right to race. You were perfectly fine to defend your position 💪
@nikbear
2 жыл бұрын
It's called a race for a reason, you had track position, you have every right to defend it! What so called racer worth his integrity would expect other racers on track to 'move' over? WTF?! 🙄😬
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
After you sir!
@dakingrocco
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Kireth, You earned DR by good races, by winning races,... So you have as much right to be in these lobbies like the others. It was 100% your right to defend,. I never get why people make such a huge drama out of a game.... 99% of us play this for a hobby...
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
100%, for most of us it's a way to unwind and we actually don't care too much about DR
@viscousvenom4602
2 жыл бұрын
Thats just Kie25, no one can annoy him in the slightest but he can do whatever he wants. I was expecting a punt or something like it, but this was nothing he lost maybe 3 tenths at best.
@JakeLoeppky
2 жыл бұрын
Every right to be defensive but you know you're not racing Kie so it's not as sportsmanlike... You're just slowing yourself down in the process as well. Every right to do it though...
@phippsa3
2 жыл бұрын
Your under no obligation to move aside, you have to race your own race.
@thewidowmaker4037
2 жыл бұрын
When you pointed out the incident, i was like is that it....if Kie lost his **** over that incident then thats precious even by his standards, It doesn't take much to get Kie at it. It certainly wasn't a blue flag issue you had track position. He just needs to grow up and act like an adult and not a self absorbed entitled manchild. I think he was just jealous of your livery.😂
@kurtschnippel1053
2 жыл бұрын
You defended in a clean straight line, gave him room on the exit, what was the issue? That was the cleanest racing move, especially as Kie has a history of shoving others and then blaming them, as mentioned his tiff with Digit a few weeks ago
@draconiceon2638
2 жыл бұрын
I think you probably should have let him go, knowing your tires were cooked and he was on brand new tires though you were well within your right to take that line and you had to make a choice and a decision based on what you think would cost you both the least amount of time.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Very fair assessment 👍
@woody1760ify
2 жыл бұрын
What a lot of bol___ks. The fuss i mean. One corner he was held up. Up to him to pass slower car who in this case was leading.
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it was just one corner
@mojojoji5493
2 жыл бұрын
You’re in the right bud a race is a race and you did hard defending That is a part of race craft
@jeroen.TCR_JR_RACING
2 жыл бұрын
I think you did the right thing!!!!!!racing love from holland
@Kireth
2 жыл бұрын
Hello from London!!
@chunkyribena
Жыл бұрын
Just seen this an honestly did not think that would have been the issue, you picked a line, stuck to it and was clean racing in my view 👍🏼
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