This was real Trek. Whoopi and Sir Pat own this scene. I miss it so much.
@Chadlton
2 жыл бұрын
Was just going to say the same my dude. Damn we lived in a golden era...
@danieldickson8591
2 жыл бұрын
Whoopi Goldberg has publicly stated that working on TNG was the best experience of her career.
@Nyx773
2 жыл бұрын
Since they are the only 2 people in this scene, who else could have owned it?
@mattbuchanan2580
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nyx773 When an actor "owns" a scene they become the character to such a degree that you forget it is Whoopi or Sir Pat. It's just Captain Picard and Guinan.
@PR--un4ub
2 жыл бұрын
@@mattbuchanan2580 They became real. It truly is that simple.
@amandadonaldson8748
5 жыл бұрын
I love that even after Picard yells at her, Guinan will not take back her reference to Hugh as a person. A big moment of growth for two people with a grudge.
@mikeymcmikeface5599
4 жыл бұрын
Picard and Guinan do not have a grudge.
@Twilii3
4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 I think she means against the borg they do
@mikeymcmikeface5599
4 жыл бұрын
mhm
@PeteSanctions
4 жыл бұрын
That and she is completely unwavering in the face of anger/conflict
@andrewtaylor940
2 жыл бұрын
And all those moments of character growth. Of the whole theme of the show that we can be better. Thrown away by current year hacks for shock value. :_(
@lancebaylis3169
5 жыл бұрын
Whoopi may not have been a regular cast member and her character may have only appeared a handful of times, but her presence was powerful. Any time she appeared alongside Sir Patrick Stewart, her acting not only stood toe to toe with his, maybe the only cast member who could truly do so, but more often than not she forced Sir Patrick to actually improve his performance to match hers. She is absolutely one of the best actors in Star Trek.
@JackgarPrime
4 жыл бұрын
They had excellent chemistry. Whoopi was at the point where she was a big star already, but she wanted to do the show because of how much she loved Star Trek. So it was a passion project for her, and it shows in her always bringing a strong performance.
@Transmedal2
4 жыл бұрын
Too bad she has taken a leftest agenda now days because she could make a great 1 actually black and actually female president
@julianaylor4351
4 жыл бұрын
Whoopie actually asked to be in Star Trek so this role was created for her.
@JanetStarChild
4 жыл бұрын
@@Transmedal2 Star Trek is a "Leftist" franchise, you stupid pillock. Why the fuck do Right-wing dingbats like you even watch this show? Fucking seriously, answer me that. Everything that the Federation of Planets stands for is inline with left-leaning ideology, and Earth in Star Trek's timeline is a leftist utopia where everyone has equal rights, Capitalism is dead, social hierarchy is dissolved and everyone is a secular humanist.
@Transmedal2
4 жыл бұрын
@@JanetStarChild well your not a crazy person :/ ive been a star trek fan for a long time and the only leftist star trek is startrek discovery. And its the lowest rated startrek ever made and will probly barely only last 3 seasons. Did the word leftist trigger you?
@bmeeker2
4 жыл бұрын
"it" vs. "him" echoes of the episode 'measure of man' where Data is referred to an "it" until Maddox gets to know him and says "he"
@landonletterman831
2 жыл бұрын
What really impressed me most about Whoopi Goldberg playing this role is her clothing. It is so odd, and yet she wears it so well that you never stopped to notice that, and if you do you don't notice it nearly as long as you do the grace and command in her performance
@borninvincible
Жыл бұрын
I always thought that too !❤
@normanred9212
Жыл бұрын
She's basically wear east african slave trader outfits lol
@testy462
9 ай бұрын
Her clothes were almost a part of the character
@landonletterman831
9 ай бұрын
@@testy462 Q was mostly perturbed by her fashion sense, lol Imagine if he snapped his fingers to throw her back in time 1000 years, to get rid of her, and she walked right back in the door a second later like, "Nice try!"
@jaymike3302
8 ай бұрын
Boring.
@kadindarklord
4 жыл бұрын
When the person whose species was almost wiped out by the Borg, is telling you to reconsider using a Borg to destroy them, that tells something about the power a chance encounter can have.
@normanred9212
Жыл бұрын
This is also a tv show, and in real life they would have wiped the Borg out with any means necessary.
@Pulsar359
4 жыл бұрын
I've always liked Guinan's character. She was like the sage of the crew.
@danieldickson8591
2 жыл бұрын
She would have made a better ship's counselor than Deanna Troi. At least a more believable one.
@Shiirow
2 жыл бұрын
too bad Whoopi is nowhere near as "sage-like" and neither is Patrick as "intellectual".
@PR--un4ub
2 жыл бұрын
@@Shiirow ^Found the right-winger.
@SirCraigius
2 жыл бұрын
@@danieldickson8591 She basically was, at least an unofficial one. Even in the 24th century, people still like to pour their heart out to their bartender :D
@John-wg6xw
4 ай бұрын
Me too except for her silly huge hat.
@harvestercommander3250
3 жыл бұрын
Guinan, easily the most interesting character in Star Trek: The Next Generation. She’s the oldest person on the Enterprise, and the wisest too.
@loge10
5 жыл бұрын
This special relationship has moved me and even more over the years - a relationship "beyond friendship, beyond family". There is much of this series I think hasn't aged well, but this has, especially in this age of Facebook and Twitter. Can you imagine Picard and Guinan on social media? Both Picard and Guinan were different - she had been around for 400 years, highly empathic - had picked up a few things over the years. Picard was highly intelligent and sensitive - and a dynamic leader of people. I like to think I had one of those relationships, but I sadly lost her in 2014 to leukemia and I still grieve, especially in this era. At least at the time of TNG, society was relatively sane.
@FrauIndian
2 жыл бұрын
I am not sure Guinan would engage in social media. Sorry for your loss.
@caintheconfused
5 жыл бұрын
One nice thing: This scene does a bit to establish sentiments and positions Picard would take later on, during First Contact. It's easy to see him as angry and seeking revenge on the Borg when just a hint of it gets through in this scene, and others, in this episode.
@Sunburn2007
4 жыл бұрын
It's a moment that has a significant impact on Picard. Hearing what he's hearing from Guinan, whom saw her entire species, which includes her family and everyone she ever knew, annihilated by the Borg, was not something Picard took lightly.
@nodozhit
4 жыл бұрын
Like it was all a moral question of preserving life; observing life; reserving life; and serving life in a manner of what deserves to exist. So, instead of crushing the Borg like a bug, he opted to just remove its stinger.
@mikeymcmikeface5599
4 жыл бұрын
Assimilated.
@Sunburn2007
4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Same thing more or less. The El-Aurian culture ceased to exist for the most part. They may exist as cybernetic beings now, but they are no longer El-Aurians.
@r0bw00d
4 жыл бұрын
"It's not a person, damn it; it's a Borg!" I wonder how that mentality would have worked out had Riker taken that stance a year earlier.
@CeltycSparrow
4 жыл бұрын
Or if Janeway had taken that stance with Seven.
@robertdevino4109
4 жыл бұрын
It's the same stance Whoopi has on a fetus! She is all for killing them even after they are born! She is a disgusting animal like the rest of her democrats friends!
@ZantherStone
4 жыл бұрын
@@robertdevino4109 lol. Someone's triggered.
@PaulineLovesPhysics
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZantherStone Yeah, really. Ha ha ha. This person actually referred to really toxic false information- i.e. fake news that's been floating around on the internet for years. There's actually never been a case where doctors or politicians decided to kill a newborn, especially in the name of abortion. In fact, a lot of people who are pro-choice are not even for killing it after a certain point in pregnancy unless it was shown the pregnancy could kill BOTH the mom and the child. There's a lot of nuances to this issue, just like a lot of issues. I'm not going to start a debate here. In fact, I'm not even going to tell anybody here where I stand on this issue or where I stand on the political spectrum. I'm honestly sick and tired of seeing political discussions on videos that have NOTHING to with politics. This is a clip from a wonderful show called Star Trek: The Next Generation.
@MikhaelAhava
4 жыл бұрын
@Evil Scientist there’s actually a bill that allows it to do so in certain scenarios, I’ve read it several months ago, and yes, some states want to legalized abortion till the third trimester up until birth, or they want to pass a bill for it. Anyways, some people like to abort since they just don’t want that baby. I’m a simple libertarian, don’t kill innocents. Of if you do, my conservative side would say, give a fair trial in court, including babies.
@SteveSilverActor
2 жыл бұрын
This was TNG at its best. The writers were not afraid to tackle weighty issues like ethics and morality. Is it wrong to destroy and entire race of humanoids because they pose a mortal threat to you? The beauty of science fiction is that it allows writers to explore these kinds of fundamental questions. Add interesting, dynamic characters and excellent actors, and you have a damn good episode.
@aaronboothproduction
4 жыл бұрын
This is like, the only time Guinan doesn't seem to have all the answers. THIS is great writing. putting aside that this fits with Guinan's backstory, They could have made it any character thats grappling with this problem, but that fact that it was Guinan - smartest person in the room two steps ahead of everybody else - really solidifies what a difficult moral choice this was.
@chrispeplinski7306
5 жыл бұрын
A great scene between picard and guinan.
@wfow1448
4 жыл бұрын
It's an even better scene when you realize that Guinan, more than anyone, had reason to truly despise, and want to destroy, the Borg. Sure, Picard was assimilated, but he was at most Borg for a matter of weeks. Guinan's entire race was destroyed by the Borg.
@maxdamagusbroski
4 жыл бұрын
@@wfow1448 Kind of. I mean you can have your whole family and people raped and murdered and escape otherwise unharmed, but actually being raped and beaten is no less immense a perspective, no matter how "long" it lasted.
@RolandThePaladin1
4 жыл бұрын
Picard's growth in the 25 years between this scene and him embracing Hugh on the captured Borg cube is astonishing.
@RolandThePaladin1
2 жыл бұрын
@Screw KZitem It's really frustrating how so many people can mix up opinions with facts.
@marclawyer2789
2 жыл бұрын
@@RolandThePaladin1 Yes it is...Picard and STD suck because few people want to actually watch it, including myself, an original Trek fan (the original series reruns are more popular than these shows). And yes, if you're born after 2002, you were born into a different world...
@JuniorWarburton
2 жыл бұрын
@@marclawyer2789 Wow this is incorrect. The oft-lauded Voyager is most streamed show. TOS typically rates lowest with Trekkers. Stop gatekeeping
@marclawyer2789
2 жыл бұрын
@@JuniorWarburton Which is it? Popularity by streaming, or popularity within a community? If it's the latter then STD is a disaster, if the former then it's only a failure: same applies to Picard.
@Quoxozist
Жыл бұрын
@@JuniorWarburton ...except he didn't say that TOS was the most streamed show, or that voyager WASN'T the most streamed show, but rather, he said that TOS reruns are more popular (ie. get higher ratings) than nu-trek. Maybe work on that reading comprehension buddy
@joshuacollins9346
4 жыл бұрын
Picard's hate and pain associated with his assimilation into the Borg was some of my favorite parts of TNG. Tremendous writing and acting.
@JT-qw1cn
4 ай бұрын
Great lightning on Picard's face showing remnants of Locutus and the darkness the experience put in him.
@brendandax
4 жыл бұрын
Who knew we'd be revisiting this story thread 29 years later?! Amazing!
@GabePlaysYT
2 жыл бұрын
"I haven't talked to it" "Why not?" "I saw no need" The way Picard says that is like he's almost trying to convince himself not to see him. He's scared that if he does, he knows he'll be convinced to stop.
@YD-uq5fi
4 ай бұрын
When Guinan gets in your face to talk, that hat certainly helps as the brim hits the other person on the bridge of the nose.
@Zeakthecat
5 жыл бұрын
and thats why every ship needs a person like guinan. you can't go wrong with such a person, because they won't be afraid to speak up, and they are wise, often beyond a wise captain. the only reason why the borg still exist is thanks to people like guinan, sure the borg are a war race of cybernetic cyborgs built to take peoples technology and assimilate entire planets and races, but its not like the persons assimilated are the cause. the individuals in each borg cube, sphere, or probe didn't ask to be assimilated, they were forced to by the borg themselves. there is countless races in the borg some probably were way more advanced than the federation was, and still got conquered, and the lore so far probably has only touched the surface of the possible millions of species the borg have assimilated over the time they've existed. to exterminate the borg would be to exterminate possibly millions of species, and thats why this scene plays a big role in picards decision overall. guinan realized after seeing hugh that he too, was a individual, who never asked to be borg, and now hugh is coming to terms of his individuality, the same with seven of nine, she never asked to be borg, but was forced too along with her parents.
@nodozhit
4 жыл бұрын
Well said, but then there's always a flip side. Captain Picard could have just infected Hugh, as he intended, and he would be the war hero who saved billions of the other non advanced lifeforms from the Borg's imminent threat of decimating ecosystems and annihilating every organism that crosses its path. Guinan's gift is like divine wisdom. Guinan was able to tactfully persuade Picard into reconsidering his gut instinct to permanently end the Borg. But Captain Picard's strength was he always made the right decisions, even if he had to challenge the terms of the objective.
@FlamingLily
6 ай бұрын
I love that you can tell, when Guinan first says "If you're going to use this person..." she probably didn't even think too hard on the wording, just said what she was saying. But when Picard erupts over it, she realises two things: she's been convinced that Hugh is actually a person, and that Picard has too, but he won't let himself accept it. And so, she says it again. This time, she knows what she's saying. She's directly challenging Picard.
@haydnplaysgames
2 жыл бұрын
Was there an Emmy nomination for either of these outstanding actors for this episode?
@ilcugginocanadese
4 жыл бұрын
That hat is actually a landing pad for the space micro fleet in Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy.
@classicgunstoday1972
4 жыл бұрын
Il Cuggino Canadese we called her “Pizza Head” because her hat looks like a pizza pan stuffed into a big sock and put in her head
@jimmyyu2184
2 жыл бұрын
What a great moral (dilemma) scene, and I very much enjoyed that eyebrow "twitch" by Guinan, a la Spock. I sure hope to see Guinan/Whoopi in Picard Season 2. Oh, please great bird in the sky, make it so!!!!
@mastershredder2002
10 ай бұрын
This is the only instance that I have heard where it actually made sense to use "it is what it is".
@kalospantarkes1861
7 ай бұрын
People need to give more credit to producer Rick Berman. After Gene Roddenberry's death, he took over and was the showrunner (did they even call it a 'showrunner' back then) for ST:TNG, DS9, Voyager, and the TNG feature films. After Nemesis, he seemed to have just vanished from the Trek world.
@jws1948ja
5 ай бұрын
I remember this one. The final decision was gratifying.
@LnPPersonified
4 жыл бұрын
2 minutes and 43 seconds of TNG is better than the whole of STD. Dear god, I miss this kind of Trek.
@benre
4 жыл бұрын
and better than star trek picard... -.-
@E_y_a_l
4 жыл бұрын
@@benre Unfortunately...true.
@ivandovranic1001
4 жыл бұрын
2:00 George R.R. Martin was listening and memorizing, and a good thing that he did.
@joet7136
9 ай бұрын
A top 5 TNG episode for sure.
@alexanderjones9572
5 жыл бұрын
And this is why TNG didn't really need Troi (no offence to Marina Sirtis)! Guinan was the bartender but also did counselling (better than the 'official' Counsellor!) Oops, I forgot, Troi's important function was being Riker's on-off girlfriend and the lover of any young male who visited the ship! That was why they needed Guinan to do counselling!
@nodozhit
4 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@Nocturne22
4 жыл бұрын
I like how Marina herself knows how shit the character was. She did the absolute best she could (and earned every dollar of her paycheck) but Troi's function and character made no sense and was, frankly, sometimes just demeaning.
@nodozhit
4 жыл бұрын
@@Nocturne22 her big -boobs- sex appeal was a part of the tradition of Star Trek franchise. And she played her role well.
@gunkyzip
4 жыл бұрын
All that chocolate onboard wasn't gonna eat itself. Needed Troi for those special missions.
@danielyeshe
2 жыл бұрын
I wish they had made her the diplomatic officer instead. She basically fills that function anyway.
@JH-su9vl
5 жыл бұрын
God just these scene alone is better than the entire season of STD. This is real trek
@ransom182
4 жыл бұрын
J H DIS (as used by MemoryAlpha) or DSC (as used by the studio). Choosing to be classy doesn’t cost extra.
@FolsomC
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure J H appreciates the sanctimony of offering a tut tut a year later.
@Glitcher2000
4 жыл бұрын
I think everyone hates STD's. **shudder**
@ransom182
4 жыл бұрын
@@FolsomC Hopefully. Acting like a 14 year old boy is embarrassing.
@mikeymcmikeface5599
4 жыл бұрын
@@ransom182 You are pathetic trying to stand on a high horse by putting down others.
@SuperGorak
8 ай бұрын
Guinan always agreeing 100% with the authors and the narrative. She is their stand-in.
@ArisenMind
4 жыл бұрын
Despite my current dislike of Whoopi's current stance on politics and such, she was fucking awesome on Star Trek TNG and her interactions with Picard were always top notch. I just love love this show.
@strangeworldsunlimited712
4 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly certain that Whoopi's "current stance on politics" has *always* been her stance. She just rarely, if ever, expressed it until she had the proper forum to do so.
@ArisenMind
4 жыл бұрын
@@strangeworldsunlimited712 how are you certain? If by your own admission she has rarely made admission of it, then where exactly are you pooling data from to arrive at your conclusion? Secondly, I typed "current stance" because I had no idea of what her previous stances on politics and other matters of public opinion were before.
@strangeworldsunlimited712
4 жыл бұрын
@@ArisenMind Rare, not never. She's occasionally backed Democratic candidates. Spoken at or about more liberal topics. If you pay enough attention you pick up these things. She's pretty much always had the views she expresses on The View.
@ArisenMind
4 жыл бұрын
@@strangeworldsunlimited712 Okay chief
@mikeymcmikeface5599
4 жыл бұрын
@@ArisenMind go away
@natesummer6408
2 жыл бұрын
Such a powerful scene!
@ASMRMuzz
4 жыл бұрын
My favorite part is where Picard and Guinan were talking.
@stevieboymkii
4 жыл бұрын
Remains totally calm throughout, understanding why Picard is angry and letting him be that way without rising to it. It's no surprise that their relationship is strong and that he always considers her point of view when it's shared.
@Scottlp2
2 жыл бұрын
Has it occurred to anyone that their plans for Hugh were not that different from what section 31 did using Odo?
@FrauIndian
2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@dlc1119
3 жыл бұрын
After 'Picard' Season 1, this is even more 'important'.
@Transmedal2
4 жыл бұрын
That is the biggest hat ive ever seen 0.0
@classicgunstoday1972
4 жыл бұрын
Transmedal2 we used to call Guinan “Pizza Head” because it looks like she’s wearing a pizza pan stuffed into a big sock on her head.
@RtRoth33
4 жыл бұрын
"It is what it is" -- a good 15-20 years before the saying became commonplace . . .
@warrenreid6109
3 жыл бұрын
Because Picard didn't do his job Janeway had to bitchslap them on their home turf.
@Retronightvintage1993
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent scene love how it connects to first contact.
@rambb22
2 жыл бұрын
Picard was definitely clapping Guinan cheeks on the low
@Scioneer
5 жыл бұрын
"I'm a person and my name is Anakin!"
@justanotherlikeyou
8 ай бұрын
The "invasive program" was convincing the Borg that it was an individual
@danclark1348
4 жыл бұрын
Guinans hats are very similar to the 1940s here on Earth. She was wrong this time. Had the invasive program enacted, the Borg soon rendered inoperable. Neglecting one of Starfleets purposes- to defend all its members of the Federation.
@natesummer6408
2 жыл бұрын
How ironic that Hugh saved Picard!
@HCBailly
9 ай бұрын
That reminds me of a question someone asked about Picard Season 2. "How did we defeat the Borg in the alternate timeline?" to which someone replied, the same technology we created in the main timeline. They were just more willing to use it.
@cdowg187
4 жыл бұрын
He who passes the sentence should swing the sword
@jonathancineus6424
2 жыл бұрын
A fit younger Jean-Luc Picard in a robe with a deep V-neck, chest hair showing, having a drink in his bedroom before bed…. Guinan was looking for trouble.
@danieldickson8591
2 жыл бұрын
If that had been the case, something tells me Picard would have been the one in trouble.
@ThroatSore
2 жыл бұрын
How amazing does Woopie look in that outfit?
@iwannaseenow1
7 ай бұрын
It's these types of scenes that were a major impact on how amazing TNG was. EDIT: I assume picard knows guinan's ability to transcend linear time. this may be why her warning had a great impact.
@djjoe214
2 жыл бұрын
1:51 haha
@Siyko
2 жыл бұрын
Someone out-wisdom's Picard
@clementlee2121
3 жыл бұрын
“Fine, but if you don’t talk to him at least once, you may find that decision a lot harder to live with than you realized”. Guinan doesn’t say anything or pay a visit at night for no reason. She always has a point.
@Arkylie
3 жыл бұрын
It's also possible that talking with Hugh wouldn't change his decision, but would still make the aftermath more bearable. Picard wouldn't be so tormented by "what if" if he'd already explored possible alternatives and found them unacceptable, but he could well be tormented if he had chosen not to pursue them at all.
@Shakespearept
9 ай бұрын
Powerful scene
@EmeraldView
8 ай бұрын
Love when Picard and Guinan get in to it. Two very wise people having a go. Though ultimately Picard knows Guinan is the wiser.
@MichaelBrookham
2 жыл бұрын
Something I saw the other day makes me think this is somehow linked to it: In the Star Trek TOS episode "The Menagerie", there are parts shown with Captain Christopher Pike talking to his Doctor Phillip Boyce. Dr. Boyce brings a drink to him and tells him that people usually tell their bartender more than they will tell their doctor. Did the idea of Guinan being a bartender giving advice derive from that? It is actually an interesting concept to think about.
@richardgriffin9676
2 жыл бұрын
I was happy when that asked woppie to play more in Picard I was over the moon
@SmackheadGaming
6 ай бұрын
I think this is a good example of having too much empathy and getting your ass bit because of it.
@moboutmen
8 ай бұрын
Clash of Heavyweights. Great scene.
@rosePetrichor
4 жыл бұрын
There's no right answer in situations like this, which is why plots of this kind still work even though they've been done a million times. Show mercy that may put those you care about at risk, or take decisive action to eliminate a potential threat and risk becoming that which you seek to destroy. Picard's moment of compassion for a single Borg drone cost millions upon millions of lives, but how many lives does it have to be before the single one you measure against it is worth it? No good answer.
@jsb331
2 жыл бұрын
Must have good soundproofing in that floor so 10 Forward doesn't wake him up lol. His quarters are directly above it.
@rscfitness293
Жыл бұрын
This a great scene between two great actors the dynamic of this scene is powerful! Guinan's entire race borg! Captain Picard, trust diamond, and they highly respect! she is one of the few people that can talk to captain Picard as an equal! And yet she’s a celestial being, who is a bartender! Captain Picard trust her judgment so much that he did go and talk to the borg young person Hue
@lucacornille83
2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how this entire scene now foreshadows the divided sentiment of the Federation and the rest of the galaxy towards the Ex-Bs in Star Trek Picard
@frankclark7039
5 жыл бұрын
I guess the borg saw this clip and gave it a thumbs down
@danclark1348
4 жыл бұрын
I hoped that these philosophical episodes weren't just meant as a commentary for viewers to ponder, that those acting and saying the lines, they to would ponder the messages and hopefully use it in their lives. I have.
@VEBlessed1
7 ай бұрын
Guinan is responsible for the best Star Trek NG movie; First Contact!
@BlueShift24
Жыл бұрын
I need Picard-style loungewear.
@defiy2921
4 жыл бұрын
Badass acting right here
@murrethmedia
9 ай бұрын
"It's not a person damn it, it's a Borg!" Oh, so you weren't a person when you were Locutus?
@johnchristen1404
Жыл бұрын
This episode was Whoopi's finest performance as Guinan.
@rhysellis928
4 жыл бұрын
A great scene from a great episode. Personally I prefer the fencing moment they had earlier - i think that was better as they weren't explaining their beliefs, they were acting them.
@basilrose
5 жыл бұрын
The Best.
@raahgeer7840
4 жыл бұрын
Love Guinan !!!!
@VincentGonzalezVeg
4 жыл бұрын
its like Frankenstein ants sorta but with homids and eletronics created by them
@CzechMirco
3 жыл бұрын
Picard has an inadvertent point here. We humans are hardwired by instincts that have evolved way before our species did, to like things that are young and look young/cute (which in biological terms is called a "neoteny"). The examples are all around us, from the love of certain breeds of dogs to the love of anime. And this is exactly what clouds the judgement of some in the crew when it comes to the young and probably fairly cute looking Hugh.
@speculesgorgoth4055
2 жыл бұрын
Whoopi perfect role
@martinhodge921
4 жыл бұрын
Patrick Stewart asked whoopi, on The View, to appear on Picard in season 2 and she said yes!
@tjj300
4 жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake ever made in Star Trek. You NEVER sacrifice untold billions for one individual, no matter how nice, kind, intelligent, or attractive that individual is, or how unfair. They answered this question CORRECTLY in "The City on the Edge of Forever". Gene never would have let this air had he still been alive.
@kdum8
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@fredocarroll
8 ай бұрын
I disagree. First of all, the core problem in "TCotEoF" was the restoration of the timeline, and the need to sacrifice a life for that. It wasn't a more general point about killing one to save countless others. You'll note that they didn't take a boat over to Munich to kill Hitler. Second, the use of Hugh is only partially the point. The deeper question is whether you can justify wiping out an entire species in a war. Seeing Hugh as an individual is part of that, but only a part. Dr. Crusher had already addressed the topic when she pointedly asked about the meaning of "total systems failure" earlier in the episode. And I would look back at "The Survivors" from early in the 3rd season, when Roddenberry was still alive, to see his take on that question. The Husnock were apparently a monstrous force, and yet Kevin Uxbridge was utterly distraught over what he had done to them in his moment of rage and grief.
@michaeljorgensen790
2 жыл бұрын
Guinan eventually did get assimilated... By the women of "the View" They did not even have to tell her "resistance if futile" She didn't even resist.
@The_Notorious_N.O.E.
3 жыл бұрын
If they had gone on with the plan to use Hugh to destroy the Borg I wonder how the Trek timeline would have changed. What events would have been different from what we already know? That could be an interesting novel if written right. Kind of like a What If
@cparle87
2 жыл бұрын
Well, Voyager would've never gotten home, since they did strike an important deal with the Borg to do so. Also the Dominion War would've gone much worse if the Federation hadn't been upgrading and researching new weapons to fight them. The Defiant, for instance, was originally intended as an anti-Borg battleship.
@The_Notorious_N.O.E.
2 жыл бұрын
@@cparle87 🤔 Dang, you're right
@dennissimpson2830
2 жыл бұрын
Well at least somebody got the guy part right.
@ChipsNCellos
2 жыл бұрын
Just watched the scenes from the new Picard season with these two, and man the acting/dialogue in the new shows is nowhere CLOSE to the quality and dynamic emotional substance these old shows delivered (this I, Borg scene as an example). Mining old gold for nostalgia purposes is such shit.
@michaelh2001
2 жыл бұрын
I love both of their characters, they’re fantastic! But why they are so close has never been explained. I hope ST:Picard explains it…
@amyjordan195
2 жыл бұрын
Watch stng Times Arrow. Two part. Not sure which season but it explains.
@michaelh2001
2 жыл бұрын
@@amyjordan195 no, Times Arrow does not explain why they’re so close.
@ADeadlierSnake
4 жыл бұрын
I miss actual Star Trek. In Kurtzman's Star Trek, Picard guns down Romulans in cold blood without any hesitation or remorse. In real Star Trek, his values and morals are put to the test, and he must undergo an intense inner struggle about which path is the correct one. But I guess that's considered boring now. Now Picard just shoots people without asking questions. Much more exciting.
@trentb3148
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it was still Berman's Trek when Picard was gunning down Borg like an over-the-hill action star. Can't really blame Kurtzman for that.
@ADeadlierSnake
4 жыл бұрын
@@trentb3148 I said real Star Trek, not the movies. If you think First Contact is real Star Trek or real Picard, you are sorely, sorely mistaken.
@shauntempley9757
4 жыл бұрын
@@ADeadlierSnake It is actually. Because Final Contact proves Picard's points in this exchange. Which very well may be the fact that he had the chance in I Borg to end them is why he turned the way he did in that movie. In many ways, First Contact is Picard having his very own In The Pale Moonlight scenario, and in the open to boot.
@SethBrundleify
4 жыл бұрын
Guinan has been visiting humans since the 1800's
@BlackChapters
4 жыл бұрын
Of fucking course Geordi named him. This is why he gets his ass kicked so much.
@erichidalgo8153
8 ай бұрын
Imagine the lives that could have been saved by eliminating the Borg during TNG...then again what would the writers of the show do for an enemy.
@ZantherStone
4 жыл бұрын
Guess they just let anyone come in and visit highest-security Federation prisoners. I can't imagine a prisoner that would be higher value that Hue in the entire Federation at that point in time...and some civilian can just waltz in and chat him up...
@matthewcorcoran2891
4 жыл бұрын
Borg aren’t a race, they assimilate and destroy races. I’ve counted that mistake from characters twice now in this episode, and it’s disingenuous of them to say so. The Borg are an amalgamation of races that they’ve assimilated and preyed on, they’re like parasites. I agree that Hugh went past the point of them morally being able to use him in such a way, as he became an individual and aware again. However they shouldn’t be giving credence to the Borgs existence, by classifying them as a ‘race’ It’s wrong full stop, and it’s a good example of where human morality can lead them to fool themselves. That always bugged me about this episode.
@moabman6803
4 жыл бұрын
That's the great thing about tng. The plot gave lots to debate and think about. The characters walked you through their decisions, and gave much to think about.
@matthewcorcoran2891
4 жыл бұрын
Moabman that is very true. They would look at both sides as well, it was (usually) intelligently done.
@woodyallen8997
3 жыл бұрын
Patrick Stewart: I hated that scene bc I was in my robe and vaginan looked at me like she wanted to disrobe me. (Vomiting).
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