The left hand just don't talk to the right hand, that's why it's always a mess🤦🏻♂️🙄
@Calvin_Coolage
3 сағат бұрын
So there are a few people at GW with functioning brains after all. I don't play Deathwatch but I really hope they give them some much better rules.
@activatewindows2305
2 сағат бұрын
As a Deathwatch player who has had almost 10,000 points of his army essentially invalided thank you brother, someone needed to say it. You can't just create a faction army and abandon it a few years later. Some people, like me invested heavily into the notion of a all Deathwatch army.
@DisasterLord
2 сағат бұрын
@@activatewindows2305Man that's harsh, I really hope they do them justice in the rules
@BuddyWithTheSideburns
2 сағат бұрын
In all honesty, if the solution is just to return to the Blackspear Detatchment we had before, I wouldn't be disappointed. For all the folks who talked about it being "weak," it was one of the more interesting and unpredictable ways to play Space Marines. Teleportarium shenanigans were fantastic to use (and damned infuriating for many opponents), especially when it came to nabbing secondary missions. Ammo strats were pretty deadly when you could bounce 'em off multiple kill teams. Mission Tactics giving your whole army Sustained or Lethal hits for a turn was wonderfully deadly when deployed right. And the Deathwatch Kill Team, even in current form, remains one of the most versatile units in the Imperium rosters. You can spec 'em towards melee, shooting, or assault/run around and cause trouble. With max shield spam they can be surprisingly durable. They also have access to some of the more interesting special weapons in the game. Could this all go south? Yeah. But, as I like to say, making bad rules work out of pure spite is a long-standing Deathwatch tradition. I'm content to be optimistic for now.
@skilledwarman
3 сағат бұрын
If there was any proof Imperial Agents flopped I'd say its how quickly they responded on this... Oh and also that ALL 3 BATTLEFORCES are still in stock online
@DisasterLord
2 сағат бұрын
And I thought I was lucky to find a local shop with the Ordo hereticus one, I can't remember a time when something like this happened.
@yhormthemidget
Сағат бұрын
Tbh 'random killteams shoved in a box' is not a great sales pitch. Like most, I just looked at it and laughed. Sure man, i will buy an expensive box to get some exaction squads and henchman...
@takasunmc
Сағат бұрын
Yeah, there are like 16+ boxes for each order on Firestormgames.
@angelx9724
Сағат бұрын
As someone who started the army with the kill teams, I'm like... why can't we just make AotI the place where DW lives, but also we didn't randomly rip out the literal gimmick of the faction?
@johnj.spurgin7037
56 минут бұрын
Maybe if inquisitorial agents weren't crap...
@ryanwaits6733
2 сағат бұрын
I hope they can simultaneously help the Deathwatch and Agents. They both need help
@DisasterLord
2 сағат бұрын
I would appreciate buffs to the Arbites too, Subductors are fun but the exaction squad and vigilantes could use more help. Ordo hereticus in general could use some improvements to be more flavorful. In short I would love to have an excuse to field 120 cops and 12 dogs on the field but the rules for it aren't that great.
@onlyadonis3936
Сағат бұрын
Yeah help iinto the garbage, help cut out of the game beyond just a few characters to add to imperial armies, maybe
I wonder if this rules update has anything to do with the imperial agents battleforce boxes are still available for sale through out multiple retailers including GWs own website.
@Shredow2
2 сағат бұрын
GW rules makers suddenly realized DW featured on SM2 and a video being made by Bandai and figured out that they should be capitalizing on that hype.
@jordansmith4040
2 сағат бұрын
that animation was directed by the guy who made the inquisitor animation a few years back. Nice to see, and the action is well paced.
@Pentanex8
2 сағат бұрын
TY to everyone that kicked up a stink about it
@SethScapesGaming
2 сағат бұрын
Especially the ones who didn’t but responded politely as GW would have actually listened to those.
@thunderwarrior2459
Сағат бұрын
celebrating a little early this is gw they can still make things worse
@Pentanex8
59 минут бұрын
@@thunderwarrior2459 Watch them just un legends the primaris killteams in imperial agents, not add the astartes keyword to any of them and call it a day haha
@JimH.
4 минут бұрын
I'd seriously wait to see what it is before thanking anyone.
@FlameStormer2000V2
3 сағат бұрын
GW incompetence is expected but it really is comical at times. Deathwatch got their biggest exposure ever in SM2's intro less then a month after being squatted into Agents.
@Waagghhboy
3 сағат бұрын
It's not comical, it's disrespectful. They literally don't care about the community
@zanemcpheat2047
2 сағат бұрын
I mean they nuked the old world right before warhammer’s most popular game franchise could bring in thousands of new fans, sense has never been a strongsuit
@cristhianmlr
Сағат бұрын
You can't really say squat anymore
@scurvy786
Сағат бұрын
not as bad as them killing all of warhammer fantasy then the Total wargames comming out right after :D
@stripeybag6977
2 сағат бұрын
And they're going to give AP to the Bolters and make their Damage 3 Thunder Hammers standard?! :D
@oscarandreas1431
Сағат бұрын
Were AP for pulse and kroot rifles?,
@mercier390
2 сағат бұрын
Maybe since Space Marines and Deathwatch are both in pain they just roll them into core space marine as their own detachment and try to print some new units to get both space marine and death watch players to drop money. Say like in some kind of Christmas combo box!
@zustomx
2 сағат бұрын
As a now previous Deathwatch player, I feel as though it is a little too late to be changing their minds so much. I have stated the process of repainting all my generic space marines as blood angles as I'm tired of them doing this and changing weapon loadouts and now fully removing the amry and then a weak attempt at appeasement to fans buy mostlikly putting us back where we were at the start of the edition.
@nomassgoer8350
2 сағат бұрын
I just watched this, and if revers don’t get a glow up they will have missed the mark.
@GueVesaGuy
2 сағат бұрын
As a Deathwatch player, GW's handling of them over the past half decade has pushed me to learn Grime Dark Future. At least in that game, they don't take your units away, or make weapon load outs on your units illegal. GW needs to get it's head out of it's ass if they want me to stick around...
@kronksstronkstonks6360
16 минут бұрын
Illegal weapon loadouts is some absolute BS. When the GSC codex dropped and they split the Acolytes into demo-charge/hand flamers or mining tools/autopistols, I was staring at my 3 units of 10 Acolytes with hand flamers and mining tools... 27.50 for 5 models. £165 made invalid. And for what? A cheap way to force more sales of a common unit since mining tools and hand flamers were the most common options (before demo charge exploitation became popular anyway). I will forever be salty about that...
@SilentButDudley
2 сағат бұрын
Deathwatch deserves really good treatment from GW. Range refresh even, going from Primaris Kill Teams to more options overall, and updating the Deathwatch Paulson attachment to fit Primaris marine kits.
@drunkenastarte5243
2 сағат бұрын
If they get their rules fixed and made playable again, that'll be enough for now. 1kSons & World Eaters desperately need a huge wave release before Deathwatch get updated kits... Grey Knights look beyond stupid at this point their scaling is so out of whack... Dark Eldar can't even purchase almost half their range anymore... Oh, and Votann still waiting for the other half of their army Let the poorest kids get some model attention! (...most of whom haven't had more than a model or two in 8-10+ YEARS!) As long as Deathwatch players can use their collections again & continue kitbashing the massive Space Marine range, they'll be fine on the model front!
@thearmoredbugger9344
3 сағат бұрын
Deathwatch Players: "Give us back our army you passive aggressive asshole!" GW: *sigh* "Fine."
@jaydeeg3240
2 сағат бұрын
Imagine the hundreds of dollars you spent on harlequin models to build a 2000pt army. Not to mention the time/money it took to paint such an intricate army and then not even be represented, what a bunch of bullshit
@kidninja8331
Сағат бұрын
I mean at most I'm expecting they just reinstate their index or maybe give them back a few kill teams, whatever it is though their original death killed them to me and I'm sticking with my Custodes now, at least they're a little more likely to stick around
@bensal106
Сағат бұрын
I think them releasing an index:deathwatch basically making them rules wise a divergent chapter like the wolves and angels while keeping the imperial agents stuff is probably the best way to go, you get a way to field them as a larger dedicated force or smaller allied squads. Now is this balanced? To answer that, since when the hell has james workshop cared.
@adept5500
2 сағат бұрын
Just a note that I’m in the “they should never have been a full faction” camp. It was a bull*t way to make people buy 7 kits to make 1 reasonable unit.
@Beta-f8e
3 сағат бұрын
Good that they're doing this, but feels a bit unfair as a Harlequin player!
@BuddyWithTheSideburns
3 сағат бұрын
As a long-suffering Deathwatch player, I encourage you to keep makin' noise. Hope they come around 👍
@FuddgeOff
3 сағат бұрын
As long as I can still use my new Blackstar with my knights I’m happy with this.
@brandedone5188
3 сағат бұрын
I'll be honest, its too little too late for me. I've been systemically selling off my marines (especially after the hype from Space Marine 2) and pivoting into playing Guard with some vets and/or knight support. If they broke the back of the full army deployment once, it will happen again. I don't trust that they won't do it a second time.
@SethScapesGaming
2 сағат бұрын
“Varying degrees of politeness.” - they tend to pretty much bin and ignore any which aren’t polite and moaning rarely does anything so these much have been positive and polite for them to consider them.
@benjaminfrancis8274
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I’m ngl, I was heavy deathwatch, then they did all this crazy stuff, so I stripped and am repainting everything
@DarthCasus
2 сағат бұрын
Drukhari just sitting there like :|
@ronpaul5319
3 сағат бұрын
Bro does NOT sleep 😂 I respect the grind I wish I was this consistent
@TheAtomicSpoon
3 сағат бұрын
Scheduled uploads.
@kolosmenus
45 минут бұрын
I've watched that Deathwatch animation yesterday, and tbh, the animation quality gave me big vibes of a video game intro cinematic from early 2000's
@nicboi9803
2 сағат бұрын
2:48 "death watch seems unpopular right now" man I wish there was something I could point at that explains it
@mk-ultraviolence1760
Сағат бұрын
Turns out using tourney results to determine which armies to axe isn't good idea.
@jacobfarias2335
3 сағат бұрын
I just started space wolves because they got rid of deathwatch and now they mite bring it back gw got me going crazy
@John23149
3 сағат бұрын
You can do both
@angelx9724
3 сағат бұрын
Learn this First: ignore GW. Make Warhammer your own. They cannot contain this universe, no matter what they say.
@alecatnight1540
3 сағат бұрын
Same boat actually. Lmao.
@AzkuulaKtaktu
3 сағат бұрын
You kids wanna buy some Deathwatch? This stuff is cracked. Is it an upper, a downer, a hallucinogenic, or a diuretic? Won't know til you take it.
@erwohs
2 сағат бұрын
It would be nice if they balanced codex space marines like ultramarines, they make a game focused around them so new players can join the game only to find out they have the lowest win rate in the whole game
@Artecius92
17 минут бұрын
GW also recently put out a battle report on the WH+ app with a heavily customized deathwatch army.
@onlyadonis3936
Сағат бұрын
Uhhhhhhhh its fucking OCTOBER. How can ot be a SURPRISE with two months of warning?
@BuddyWithTheSideburns
3 сағат бұрын
*Happy Deathwatch Noises*
@PooberryPancake
3 сағат бұрын
I know people hate it when GW makes data slate changes/rule changes, but there are so many factions that are still mid or straight up boring that it needs help badly
@christerprestberg3973
54 минут бұрын
Giving back an updated Blackspear Taskforce to space marine, and actually giving a shit about balancing the mixed killteams or getting rid of the mixed but giving them normal SM units with some spicy rules would go a long way
@anneliseolsen6896
3 сағат бұрын
Personally, I don't play Deathwatch, but I can totally see why Deathwatch players want new rules and minis. The Indexes are all getting a bit, eh, stale by now.
@ryanwhaley5041
48 минут бұрын
Seeing how GW has been putting the units for this wave of Kill Team in limbo before release has me fairly sure Deathwatch is getting the Vespid/Tankbusta treatment.
@neonhearts4811
3 сағат бұрын
don't get me wrong I'm glad they are giving Deathwatch some love however, it should of never come to this. I don't think I will ever understand why GW just ignored Deathwatch for so long. When death guard and Leagues of Votann were performing poorly they got some attention and improvements. But Deathwatch needed love and they ignored it for most of 10 edition. GW seem to just be flopping their way through 10th edition and it just feels bad. However I'm very glad Deathwatch players are finally getting some love and attention its about damn time
@lukelloyd8976
Сағат бұрын
Well, given the response to those streaming SM2 to the question "who are these cool guys?" Was "oh, that's yhe Deathwatch, don't worry, GW just crushed them" (or similar); something needed to be done I suspect it'll be an update to the Imperial Agents rule, possibly in a GSC Brood Brothers % of the army style
@stoneosborne9247
35 минут бұрын
Depending on how this pans out, Ordo Xenos minus Deathwatch might be the first army I ever sell.
@crucibleuser2807
2 сағат бұрын
Yes! We are so back!
@DartmoorAR
2 сағат бұрын
4AM GMT schedule upload! Truly, he knows his audience isn’t just UK based.
@JasperXoR
3 сағат бұрын
Fixing Death Watch or Agents or both ?
@PooberryPancake
3 сағат бұрын
That’s a good question
@thefloridaman41
42 минут бұрын
If they were smart they rush a Killteam box set with them vs whatever Xenos they were working on next. Hell just make a sprue that turns Sternguard, Bladeguard & Terminators into a Kill Team version of those models and make one new Watch Master Leader. They already have the Shoulders molded and you could honestly just throw in a few basic heads with DW iconography. That alone combined with a special rule that allows squads of 5 to take all special weapons in the box would make them feel elite for minimum effort. Give them a 6++ to signify how elite they are as DeathWatch veterans and bar the army from taking scouts. Then just replace First Company Task force with the Deathwatch Detachment so everyone can use it if they want because the FC detachment has never worked right.
@jimbob4447
33 минут бұрын
Inquisitors Agents must have flopped HARD for GW to have an attack of sanity like this and so soon.
@johnj.spurgin7037
Сағат бұрын
Honestly just add the pure veteran (bladeguard, sternguard, vanguard), the legends killteams updated with modern options like infernus pyroblasters, characters, and vehicle units to the deathwatch's roster and they'll be mostly good? It's an issue of limited options. Ordo Xenos is gunctionally just renamed blackspear, so there's not much need to change the detachment.
@TraceofHatred
Сағат бұрын
GW should just take this common L and restore Deathwatch as it was, or allow it to be used interchangeably with non-chapter space marine armies.
@Medicae131
Сағат бұрын
Fan outcry clearly played a big rule in this, but I wonder if Space Marine 2's prologue being one of the best and coolest parts of the game has any hand in this at all. Probably a lot of new people coming into shops asking about DW and finding out they kind of don't exist on their own.
@wonderstag5405
33 минут бұрын
if i had a nickel for everytime GW canned something right before a video game made that specific thing really popular id have 2 nickels, its not a lot but it is very funny
@Medicae131
12 минут бұрын
@@wonderstag5405 What was the other thing?
@jarekIM
2 сағат бұрын
deathwatch are my favourite flavour of space marine but with there lack of rules I just ignore them and make my army based on what I wish was supported in the rules, needed lots of conversion and 3d printing though.
@Bifstak
Сағат бұрын
I already sold my DW because I was moving, just before the horrible rules update. I hope my customer has fun when the rules DO drop.
@shakyrob6512
2 сағат бұрын
Sadly I think it is going to be as bland as all the times an Inquisition White Dwarf "codex" drop. So a cut n paste of the last index minus rules.
@Damnedlegion40k
Сағат бұрын
3 DW detachments 1. Killteams only 2. Allied Killteams 3. Full SM army.
@jamesbaird128
12 минут бұрын
The bare minimum they need to do is just reinstate the original 10th index with the online updates. If they want to be nice keep the points down like in legends currently. If it's better than that I will be pleasantly surprised.
@Damnedlegion40k
Сағат бұрын
Add a comment...😢 GWs treatment of DW is maddening 🤬
@TuShan18
2 сағат бұрын
So they can accept criticism and change things. (Blink twice if you’re ok GW). I don’t know how good they’ll turn out, but at least it’s happening. Now give them proper kill team rules. You know, they are the birthplace of the name.
@cawsking555
Сағат бұрын
It doesn't help that are to many cook's in the 40k kitchen. Most of them don't want to add things
@marcokrauss5320
43 минут бұрын
Somehow imperial agents combat patrol pdf is still not available to download.
@vinnythewebsurfer
3 сағат бұрын
This entire saga for imperial agents is going to be the biggest “what the fuck?” moment of the entire edition, isn’t it.
@nomassgoer8350
2 сағат бұрын
They were trying to make imperial daemons, and failed miserably.
@NVS_Videos
Сағат бұрын
I just want new Grey Knight models 😭
@Dementia55372
3 сағат бұрын
Cool. Now do Harlequins
@Dragonage2ftw
3 сағат бұрын
They don’t sell. Not gonna happen.
@BuddyWithTheSideburns
3 сағат бұрын
@@Dragonage2ftwPeople said that about Deathwatch, but noise has been heard. It's worth tryin'.
@sketchpledge2653
3 сағат бұрын
crowd goes mild
@Dementia55372
3 сағат бұрын
@@sketchpledge2653 oh boy yet another barely distinguishable variety of black armored space marines. How original!
@seanbolster7603
3 сағат бұрын
Careful what you ask for. I doubt what we get for dw is gonna be worth the pixels in the download.
@mattleak666
15 минут бұрын
Worse think they could do is go full primaris deathwatch would be no different to every other marine army keep deathwatch firstborn
@sagacity1071
17 минут бұрын
Yet they keep printing monopose... so some of our demands matter fuck all.
@johaadganor1684
Сағат бұрын
They need to be in Killteam already
@jaegerbomb269
2 сағат бұрын
Thank the Emperor! Complaining does work!
@brianwalsh1339
3 сағат бұрын
It’s gonna suck. And if it doesn’t I’d be genuinely surprised
@jcmsaucey6555
3 сағат бұрын
I'm gonna hold the vain hope that all the index armies will get a second detachment like Drukhari did along side a new Agents/SM detachment for Deathwatch. Knowing GW though, it's probably just gonna be a PDF of legends datasheets...
@TheTobaccoman
Минут бұрын
I find it insulting they said how rare it is deathwatch mobilized fully. So how common is it for custodes to hit the battlefield in force ? Get over it GW. Even space marine forces would be rare compared to other combat groups or eldar etc. a group being rare hasn’t mattered in forever.
@TheSaultiest
3 сағат бұрын
It’s probably legends.
@OniGanon
3 сағат бұрын
They don't need to wait 2 months. Just give Deathwatch the Adeptus Astartes keyword (not faction, just keyword) and you've solved most of the problem. They could do it in 5 minutes.
@crono252
2 сағат бұрын
Well that and the codex sucks + they lost a lot of datasheets for it. If they get their own faction again and can use space marine codex again they'll be in at least a playable spot as space Marines + watch master
@peters6345
2 сағат бұрын
Well that is a bit exciting I hope will be good. Don't trust Gdubs.. but let's see what they do
@thebreadbaron2027
3 сағат бұрын
so we can update death watch but not harlequins? you're joking. actual bs
@user-kz9zi7rv9p
Сағат бұрын
Because space marine players are massive cry babies and gw loves them.
@breadguytv
2 сағат бұрын
Just make the rules online for free.. I would get so many more models for small 1k games if I didn't need all the extra fluff
@plasia
56 минут бұрын
I am prepared for lazy incompetence
@Zenny1220
2 сағат бұрын
So Deathwatch live?
@SafetyBriefer
2 сағат бұрын
I want to believe.
@hayhay2640
2 сағат бұрын
Man i feel slightly bad for anyone who immediately sold there deathwatch
@viewtifuljoe4412
2 сағат бұрын
This is why selling stuff is a bad idea for non meta players (those guys will sell stuff regardless)
@mk-ultraviolence1760
Сағат бұрын
I would advise my fellow deathwatch players to not hold their breath, but that is pretty much second nature at this point.
@DavidVanCleef
2 сағат бұрын
Followed by a year of trying to make Agents work again standalone without Deathwatch inclusions.
@bazkass1
3 сағат бұрын
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Do I trust GW to do the right thing by Deathwatch. Not in your life.
@sofaking1627
Сағат бұрын
Sweet.
@andya9899
2 сағат бұрын
they did it?.....THE DEATHWATCH PLAYERS FUCKING DID IT?!?!?!?!?! great job guys, don't know what you did but congratulations
@thekrispiestkreme5609
Сағат бұрын
Nice! All 4 and a half deathwatch players are sure to be overjoyed for this
@AzkuulaKtaktu
3 сағат бұрын
See, it works!
@Damnedlegion40k
Сағат бұрын
Bring back Killteams 🤬
@richardjohnstone1374
Сағат бұрын
Rare Dub by GW... more of this and the player base may not hate you as much
@matthewheather6911
3 сағат бұрын
nice
@falsehero2001
Сағат бұрын
GW? Listening to fans? Isn’t that one of the signs of the apocalypse?
@Waagghhboy
3 сағат бұрын
Marines cry bam get anything changed Xenos go die for a year and then get minor buffs lol
@SilentButDudley
2 сағат бұрын
Issue is we literally lost armies we made, not made them less viable. I literally had a 2k point deathwatch army I was working on and bam, can’t use 75% of the units I bought and painted. Hasn’t really happened to any army besides Deathwatch at this stage
@drunkenastarte5243
2 сағат бұрын
@@SilentButDudley *Glares in World Eaters ...geez, I wonder what it's like to have more than 3 viable options to choose from? Nothing stopping DW players from just using Codex Marine rules & allying in a few Kill Teams. Meanwhile, WE's can't even take a fething Vindicator because... "reasons!" >.
@markberghel275
3 сағат бұрын
The best thing they can do for Deathwatch is remove them from the game :D :D :D
@niccolomiglio6996
58 минут бұрын
"Surprise" is a good way to say "bland ass balancement update so that you DW fans shut up" . We all know it's gonna do jack, right ?
@ThorOdinson
Сағат бұрын
Cool. Now how about erasing that stupid Custodes retcon.
@miguelperez9906
3 сағат бұрын
Next give the sang guard there wings back and I’ll be much more happy
@jaywebb3607
3 сағат бұрын
First
@The_Duval
47 минут бұрын
havent yet met a "deathwatch player" that wasnt insufferable. Nothing of value was lost!
@sbeaber
2 сағат бұрын
Man. Click bait. I thought Reivers were getting new rules ;)
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