You have no proper use of multicore utilization, you have no portal culling. You are an unoptimized source port that has been twisted by particle effects and botched voxel rendering into a crude mockery of John Carmack’s perfection.
@p00tp0t
2 жыл бұрын
Cope. Seethe. Dilate.
@radial8955
2 жыл бұрын
@Nic-Usor poor optimisation in a source port isnt an excuse to be transphobic lol
@radial8955
2 жыл бұрын
@Nic-Usor I dont even live in America lol
@radial8955
2 жыл бұрын
@Nic-Usor not British either, but I do find it funny that you will refuse someone (the developer in question) basic human respect because they worked on a sourceport you dont like
@twixtechtweaks
3 жыл бұрын
Everyone be like "CAN IT RUN DOOM" But nobody be like "CAN IT LAUNCH GZDOOM".
@floatingbeans
3 жыл бұрын
ZDoom on a calculator :flushed:
@SleepyLongRiver-jd2xb
3 ай бұрын
> blames brutal doom for GZDOOM not running well WITHOUT brutal doom
@drakespamer8193
2 жыл бұрын
The funnier part is it advertises itself as having "limitless modding potential", and then they sit chatting shit about anyone who tries to make a decent mod in GZdoom
@normanred9212
2 жыл бұрын
Yet there are thousands of good ones and games being made with it sooooooooo
@basedSkeleton
Жыл бұрын
Limitless modding potential but for half of the shit you do you have to do the most random convoluted hack possible because they didn't bother to include a decorate function to do something as simple as teleport.
@anticorn6635
11 ай бұрын
We don't talk about the automap, the main example of graf and his bullshit
@FluffyNuo
7 ай бұрын
@@normanred9212 that doesn't take away from the issues with it
@Sgt_Ham
Жыл бұрын
>hardware acceleration and OpenGL/Vulkan rendering support >”omg you’re not supposed to use it to run anything beyond Doom! omg you’re literally Sgt_Mark_IV!” And I thought texture filtering by default was their worst decision.
@J0rdan912
6 ай бұрын
I once saw a couple of comments like creator of GZdoom is A-grade ahole and forcing his own bindings, settings, etc by default. Not sure if it's true, but I do know from a personal experience with communication and participations in those projects that almost every single creator of popular mods, emulators, source ports are indeed an aholes because they can't handle all that fame and popularity of their job.
@Nega-Tim
6 ай бұрын
@@J0rdan912Fuck GZDoom. Use literally anything else.
@Damian_1989
4 ай бұрын
Rachael and the other mods aren't here to cover for your crimes, *Marisa.*
@Damian_1989
4 ай бұрын
Oh and good luck trying to have your partner "track each and every single one of us", bozo.
@MUSiCK9
Ай бұрын
@@Damian_1989 ..are they actually tracking people down for revealing what that creep did?
@abhinandanil7775
Ай бұрын
@@MUSiCK9What happened?
@ikagura
Ай бұрын
@@MUSiCK9 Mind telling us about what happened?
@MUSiCK9
Ай бұрын
@@ikagura The guy who was nicknamed "Marisa Kirisame" creeped on a child and from what I gathered, the mods on ZDoom is protecting him instead of banning him by banning anyone who mentions what he done. Sorry I didn't reply sooner! I was busy with IRL stuff. Also OP pinned his comment to shame the guy.
@iennefaLsh
3 жыл бұрын
0:13 Uh, okay. 50 fps. What's wrong with that? 0:18 Okay. 30 fps. Still doesn't look choppy. 0:30 ...oh. OH.
@nifiga_prikolno
2 жыл бұрын
fun part that lots of stuff in original game has been designed to be played on 35/70 fps lock, so anything below is actually bad
@hugarada7156
2 жыл бұрын
Idk, I had a pentium G3 with no Graphics card and it run min 30fps flawlessly, so the video producee is either lying or had tons of programs opened
@iennefaLsh
2 жыл бұрын
@@hugarada7156 I guess what they're trying to point out here is that it couldn't reach 60fps?
@hugarada7156
2 жыл бұрын
@@iennefaLsh I presume it was an FPS lock
@minignoux4566
5 ай бұрын
@@nifiga_prikolnoi believe ZDoom dissociated the game logic from the framerate, so you can run it as high as you want
@wumpus976
6 ай бұрын
“It’s optimized to play Doom” So why does my computer’s fan sound like the thing’s about to explode whenever I play vanilla Doom in GZDoom?
@Zdexium_Doomer
5 ай бұрын
LMAO
@Artyomann
Ай бұрын
My laptop runs GZDoom with no mods in 30 FPS, it runs horrible without mods through Delta Touch, it lagged on my old computer which I used to play GTA 5 and a bit of Doom Eternal. This engine is comedic
@Grezzo2fan
Ай бұрын
i played gzdoom 4.3.3 and runs 5 fps,while zandronum and lzdoom runs very well,what the fuck
@JustGarbo14
5 ай бұрын
"It's optimized to play DOOM STUFF" "So you can play with mods?" "Hell no, are you crazy? If you run GZDoom with mods you will get a lot of problems" "So... Why i will prefer GZ over any other source port, any source port can run Doom very well, with mods" "You're not supposed to use GZDoom to play with mods" "If I don't want to play with mods then i will use steam version or any simple source port" "You're banned from the discord server, pal"
@SireForseti
3 жыл бұрын
they managed to make a game that runs on a printer, various calculators, a fridge, an ATM machine and a fucking pregnancy test require military grade PC builds in order to hope getting more than 40 fps
@Nitro2275
Жыл бұрын
I KNOW RIGHT
@Water_White053
6 ай бұрын
It now also runs on gut bacteria
@roadkill_52
6 ай бұрын
The pregnancy test was fake, dumby numby
@someman7
6 ай бұрын
@@Water_White053 It's not running on a pregnancy test, and it's definitely not running on gut bacteria. It only uses those as displays, and the gut bacteria one is 0.00003 FPS
@burpo9
Жыл бұрын
Friendship ended with GZDoom Now Woof is my best friend
@pajamas720
2 жыл бұрын
What really gets me is a lot of the people saying gzdoom isnt being used "as intended" in the video are themselves very popular mod authors. Beside, if i wanted to play doom as intended without any mods, id use dos box or prboom.
@clarkwolfang9779
2 жыл бұрын
"it is optimized. it's optimized to play Doom" One of the main advertisements on their web page: Limitless Mod Potencial!
@pajamas720
2 жыл бұрын
@@clarkwolfang9779 yeah exactly. yknow what else is optimized to play doom? chocolate/ crispy doom, and those at lest have vanilla accuracy.
@critlv972
2 жыл бұрын
Come to our side, use choccy doom. 35 fps lock master race
@dylanbasstica8316
2 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert myself but I have a newer prebuilt pc running an i7, 16 gb ram and rtx 3000 and I can run some pretty hefty load orders with no frame issues, I also have an older pc with an amd fx6300, gtx 760, 16gb ram, and even on that I really have no issue unless I'm trying to do some really heavy graphics mods, it seems most of these issues just stem from people not reading mod descriptions or having terrible load orders. Always used gzdoom and barely had any problems that stemmed from bad mod development, just me being impatient 99% of the time lol
@pajamas720
2 жыл бұрын
@@dylanbasstica8316 gzdoom isnt that bad in all honesty, its actually done a lot for free gaming. Buts just not optimized for lower end hardware anymore. I typically run doom on a gpd win max, which is similar to your older build but with integrated graphics, and it runs smooth most of the time but i have to turn graphics way down and occasionally still deal with lag spikes and crashes (mainly on larger maps). I think the main gripe people have is the fact you need this kind of hardware at all when doom is almost 30 years old and gzdoom is almost 20 years old at this point.
@EpicMario1
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine having your TC be compared to Brutal Doom because the source port it's running on needs next gen hardware to run above 60 fps.
@flashn00b
Жыл бұрын
I think even Sgt_Mark_IV is trying to avoid that sort of buggery with Brutal Fate. IIRC, the system he's using to build that game has an Intel i5 that's a couple generations old and GTX 750 Ti
@DashsChannel
Жыл бұрын
Sgt. Mark IV's spaghetti coding is the stuff of legends. The single best reminder on how NOT to script a mod..
@zebos2432
Жыл бұрын
@@DashsChannelstill better optimized than project brutality tho
@DOCTOR_DEWEY_HILL
4 ай бұрын
@@zebos2432I shit you not my phone's screen fell off because my phone keeps on overheating when running pb 3.0 and ended melting the glue holding the screen in place
@Jo-uy5vf
Ай бұрын
@@DOCTOR_DEWEY_HILLi mean, you're playing it on your phone so this time its on you
@VaerosTrash
Жыл бұрын
Doom can run on literally anything, except GZdoom.
@Sam-oq7rb
3 ай бұрын
bitter irony, eh
@AndroidFerret
Ай бұрын
My whole channel is based on gzdoom mods. Thousands running on phones. What are you talking about ? This hatred against others I making me sick. Both sides! .. Get your sh.. together and stop fighting. If all the doom modders and developers for the engine and source ports would come together, think about the possibilities. But you all rather being self centered introverts not capable of communicating without getting offensive when someone disagrees. Talking about all the people who think it's ok to bash others for their hobbies, having fun or asking questions. And since that's absolutely BOTH sides .. I'm happy I'm not one of them. I enjoy all doom source ports .. And. Btw. If GZDOOM is sooooo unoptimized. Why are the most mods made for that port? And especially the most insane and feature packed ones? Ashes, unreal RPG 99, total chaos, the crypt, venturous current, Budapest, brutal doom Platinum, dragon sector, postal gz, dozens of Half life,quake, duke and other demakes brought into gz. Sure, zandronum is awesome. And lzdoom too. But those have only a fraction of the mods I can get for gz. I've collected 50.000+ (240gb). And uploaded 14gb of universal add-ons if you're interested.
@Kostnice75
22 күн бұрын
@@AndroidFerret Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Android port of GZDoom run on GLES? If you use OpenGL ES instead of the normal OpenGL on the PC version of GZDoom you'll see a huge performance boost in more advanced mods but a few of the fancy graphical improvements might be gone.
@TsukiZer0
2 жыл бұрын
Voxels: Zdoom: "I can handle it, no problem!" Zandronum: "I can handle it, but there's some really minor issue. Nothing serious." ... ... GZDoom: "I can load it, maybe I-I-I-I ca-a-a-a-a-a-a-n hand-d-d-d-d-d-dle i-i-i-i-i-it!"
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
GZDoom: oh hey, voxels *agressively explodes*
@iennefaLsh
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quiver333_real award-winning reply
@w0lf667
2 жыл бұрын
Wait where can I get ZDoom?
@superdan333
2 жыл бұрын
isnt gzdoom supposed to be "zdoom but better" i know absolutely nothing about doom modding though so if im wrong please point me in the direction of a good source port
@TsukiZer0
2 жыл бұрын
@@superdan333 It's supposed to be "ZDoom with OpenGL rendering", eventually it became way more than that with added features such as floor-over-floor (3D floors), ZScript. By itself GZDoom IS good (and is the definitive source port when it comes to being feature-heavy), but the problem is that it's not all well-optimized for the new things it brings to the table.
@aanproduction1516
6 ай бұрын
GZDoom people with their ''optimised'' engine can't handle a map from 2009 properly because 10 000 enemies on the map
@stonedbluebutch
3 ай бұрын
The day that another engine supports slopes, 3D floors, colored lighting along with other quality of life changes [maybe minimal ACS implementation] that is also fully compatible with demos, I'll switch over. DSDA recently got updated to support UDMF, MBF21 format is highly capable of custom things while also being demo compatible, and Odamex supports that same level of demo compat along with full color software rendering and some more advanced features (like MBF21 and Hexen format! Hopefully UDMF soon). Honestly I'm perplexed as to why "PrBoom with 3D" floors doesn't exist yet, considering recent advancements.
@aceedcath
3 ай бұрын
Потому что prBoom делают люди, которые не заинтересованы включать в порт новвоведения по типу 3d floors и всего остального. Им достаточно lr.
@disturbly
2 ай бұрын
Eternity engine afaik has it all except for 3D floors (which can be worked around to an extent using portals) and runs better from my experience but in no way as well as prboom+ and its derivatives
@papasrod
3 ай бұрын
Zandronum completely mogs GRAFDOOM simply by being more optimized and able to run megawads without frames dropping every second. What's more it's a decade old source port that's based on ZDoom.
@vladthelazyslowpoke7222
Ай бұрын
Zandronum can easily run a multiplayer server That's already enough
@clarkwolfang9779
3 жыл бұрын
The million flags, values and event handlers: move, see, shoot, move, see, shoot
@jasonmartinez5116
3 жыл бұрын
GZDoom is so damn poorly optimized because it's single core, EDuke32 (Duke Nukem 3D source port) is the same exact thing. LZDoom is much better performance wise, but that doesn't save it from being a fork of GZDoom
@juanchol21
3 жыл бұрын
prboom+ is single core too
@Catonator
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think the CPU is the bottleneck in Doom's case. 3GHz should be enough clock cycles to run a game from 1993 that was built to run in software rendering. My uneducated guess is that it doesn't batch draw calls correctly, leading to a lot of downtime when the CPU and GPU need to sync (Ion Fury did that as well, it managed to bring PCs to their knees at launch)
@jasonmartinez5116
3 жыл бұрын
@@juanchol21 prboom+ at least runs good because it's mostly just vanilla Doom. It's just the nature of the Doom engine being CPU reliant and single core
@QWeRTY-vf4ly
3 жыл бұрын
Eduke32 runs smooth as butter on my PC whereas GZDoom can't manage a stable 60 with no mods.
@boden_staendig
3 жыл бұрын
@@Catonator It actually is with the more demanding maps and mods. It is so CPU-dependent (1st CPU thread) that it couldn't run certain maps properly even on a CPU from the next century if the IPC didn't get much higher from what they are today (and we've long reached the practical limits of transistor technology, mind you). Graf Zahl actually wrote on the forums that reflections and some other calculations are done on the CPU, so even the fastest GPU won't help you much if a map has the CPU loaded already.
@yolo-oy1qb
Жыл бұрын
John Carmack's brain is rolling around in his futuristic brain robot right now
@thecoolestdaniel4554
6 ай бұрын
Okay Fine it's not made for mods You're telling me I'm using gzdoom for nothing then What's so great about gzdoom if I'm playing vanilla lol
@aceedcath
3 ай бұрын
I am playing gzdoom mods and games about 13 years, and have to say that is not funny, its more sad.
@joeilya
3 ай бұрын
GZDoom has been in this sad state for a long time. A good 13 years ago when I was looking into source ports, out of Zdoom, Zdaemon, Skulltag, Doomsday. The only source port that ran poorly was GZDoom, no matter how much I've played with the options, even on plain Doom 2 it was chugging.
@aceedcath
3 ай бұрын
За то это неискончаемый кладезь мемов, начиная от самого порта и заканчивая его разработчиками, более никакое сообщество не может таковыми похвастаться
@ziomccall4085
3 жыл бұрын
First time i've seen GS3's requirements i was like "ANDREA,ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!!?"
@dibberz-v1z
2 жыл бұрын
gotta have a million unnecessary 3d models all over the place
@dibberz-v1z
3 жыл бұрын
inaccurate you didn't show them calling anyone who dare asks for better optimization a fascist
@mikemacdee6390
2 жыл бұрын
Not hard to get called a fascist in their community, tbh, even when not talking about optimization.
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
Their discord server is snowflake cringe that's for sure, check out the rules section
@bl1tz533
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quiver333_real remember kid, keeo your interactions to strict business.
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
@@bl1tz533 keeoing interactions to strict business of discussing adding another useless feature to GZDoom and dogpiling everyone who brings up obvious optimization problems? Good idea, but nah...
@dibberz-v1z
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikemacdee6390 well yeah, most wokeist think anyone who dosen't worship them for being sickos or bums are fascist
@random-km3xy
4 ай бұрын
Using VkDoom, problem solved
@KayX291
5 ай бұрын
Some map packs also run horribly on GZDoom during some moments. In Ancient Aliens for example once ya reach the level with UFO ships and ya just look at em, your fps dramatically drops and yet in PrBoom+ it runs just fine. Another thing is Holy Hell Revealed, just a slaughter map with buttloads of monsters to kill, you run it in GZDoom and it goes at 5 FPS. Run it in PrBoom+ and ya have 60+ fps.
@Dondlo46
3 жыл бұрын
GZDooM more like JizzyDooM
@boden_staendig
3 жыл бұрын
In German, it's "ghey-tsett Doom." Reminds me of the post-war (i.e., installed by the winning side) abbreviation for the Nazi concentration camps, KZ (khuh-tsett), instead of the original K.L. for "Konzentrations-Lager." (They chose it so it sounds "harder." Can't make this shit up.)
@hooligan410
2 жыл бұрын
Introducing the Terry Wad Sourceport.
@Zdexium_Doomer
5 ай бұрын
More like "GayZDoom"
@FigFelix2009
3 ай бұрын
>Has got a cheap "decent" ahh laptop (1920x1080 res, 4GB RAM / 32GB Storage, Intel Atom-ic bomb, enough to run Prboom+ pretty good) >GZDoom with some touches can't go more than 24 fps, but with heavily minimal changes goes clear 60 >Eduke32 runs almost better w/ minimal changes "Yeah, def it is gamechanging"
@juanchol21
3 жыл бұрын
Le no chicken
@nuthinbutnyxem
2 жыл бұрын
Salty Member
@ThunderStruck115
Жыл бұрын
When I can get much better performance with Zandronum, yes, GZDoom is poorly optimized
@Leo-wx2wv
3 жыл бұрын
This sourceport is so well optimized that my old laptop (i5 5200u or some shit like that, and 4gb of DDR3 ram) got more performance than my new one (GTX 1650, Ryzen 5 3550h and 16GB of DDR4 ram)
@lod4246
2 жыл бұрын
Is it because you were using an older version when you used the old computer, or is it really like this?
@bauul.
2 жыл бұрын
@@lod4246 GZDoom, like all Doom source ports, is limited by the clock-speed of the first core of a CPU (because the engine was created before multi-cores were a thing). Of the two CPUs listed above, a quick Google search suggests the i5 5200u has a base clock speed of 2.2Ghz, while the Ryzen 5 3550h is only 2.1Ghz. Therefore it would make sense that GZDoom would run slower on the weaker hardware.
@nithrakfiranahk3342
Жыл бұрын
@@bauul. I don't even think GZDoom is able to run on more than 1 CPU thread, lol. congrats GZDoom dev team on making a game engine in the 2030's run even worse on more powerful hardware architecture and not even use any hardware acceleration. This is truly the pinnacle of software innovation.
@eneco3965
Жыл бұрын
@@nithrakfiranahk3342 Damn didn't know we were in the 2030's already, time sure flies
@kellymountain
8 ай бұрын
@@nithrakfiranahk3342someone made a version that could run on multiple cores but got harassed out of the community and never released it
@J0rdan912
6 ай бұрын
I remember when Blade of Agony was released, devs tried to avoid and dodge performance problems for years, until they finally realized that the best answer is recommend to basically turn off and lower every possible graphics settings on modern high-end PC and enjoy 25-45 fps because it's normal even at static corridor scenarios 🤣 P.S. Brutal Doom is insanely optimized tho for all that mess and chaos that is happening on the screen, especially the latest version given the maniacal level of passion from it's developer. And even better optimized with Brutal Doom variations and forks, so another horrible example by those gzdoom forums smartazzes.
@DatGuy12345
6 ай бұрын
Also, Sargeant Mark made an amasing optimization for bd v22 where if the enemy count is way too big the game lowers particles and enemies projectiles quality to improve performance.
@J0rdan912
6 ай бұрын
@@DatGuy12345 Yeah, I guess I was talking about this one. There is a video comparison how much better it performs and detailed breakdown how it was made
@BomberBlur07
2 жыл бұрын
this is a certified gzdoom moment seriously gzdoom is the only source port i have that lags noticeably lmao
@minignoux4566
9 ай бұрын
0:52 yeah, sorry no, lzdoom actually RUNS on old pcs, unlike gzdoom
@StrikerTheHedgefox
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly why there needs to be a fork of GZDoom that sheds all of the technical debt. A "fuck previous mod compatibility, but get this thing running like a beast" fork.
@kjullthedemon
Жыл бұрын
LZDoom
@shlokshah5379
Жыл бұрын
zandronum especially older versions have amazing performance but many modern mods dont load.
@darkzeroprojects4245
11 ай бұрын
Or make a engine that is basically a mishmosh of GZDoom,Eduke32,and maybe Quakespasam but with cleaner code and not have a Gpl License.
@CaptPatrick01
7 ай бұрын
VKDoom ditches OpenGL and its translation layers for pure Vulkan, but loses OptionsMenuSimple support and some other stuff. (Couldn't get ucminimap to load, haven't yet found what its looking for that the sourceport doesn't) It also doesn't handle viewport or resolution changes at runtime, at all, so get used to manually editing .INIs for changing settings.
@cartoonhead9222
6 ай бұрын
@@darkzeroprojects4245 No GPL, no contributions
@slemur7358
2 жыл бұрын
GZDoom being one of the most popular doom source ports with one fatal flaw that their snowflake ass server makes fun of because people have a legitimate issue with the fact that one of the most optimized games ever was turned into a super difficult to run source port with the intent of running tons of wads at once then saying everyone uses it wrong like then how do you properly use GZDoom????
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
Can't agree more
@mantrabeeg
Жыл бұрын
Explain it to me like i'm 5
@slemur7358
Жыл бұрын
@@mantrabeeg GZDoom no run well
@mantrabeeg
Жыл бұрын
@@slemur7358 ah of course. it is clear to me now
@KingLich451
8 ай бұрын
i hate discord circlejerkers, even if they were right, and they're not, this attitude literally makes me lose all respect for these closeted 'communities'
@Gage-bk7cn
5 ай бұрын
As a hideous destructor player im unfortunately stuck with it sadly
@vladthelazyslowpoke7222
Ай бұрын
So am I I play DoomGals
@conkkerxd
9 ай бұрын
this is so fucked considering people are having problems running doom 3 gs higher than 50 fps yet the first quake runs above 2000 fps with a rtx 2060
@ananon5771
2 жыл бұрын
GZDoom is so cool with its mods,but even with my beefy PC,the fps it sometimes gets is honestly unacceptable. its one of the main reasons im gravitating twords DSDA for anything i can run with it,instead of GZDoom.
@ErrorNV
Жыл бұрын
If you think that's insane, I installed one too many Voxel Model mods and BSOD'd KEKW
@mr.m2675
11 ай бұрын
maybe you forgot that single core performance is important, and not what modern marketing says about more cores is better fps on everything
@ananon5771
11 ай бұрын
@@mr.m2675 even in single core it's no slouch, and from what nexxtic (selaco dev) has said, even just a bit of optimization adds 40% more performance.
@death_sh3ll
3 жыл бұрын
that explains why I have frozen screens while playing brutal doom
@AngelloProduct
3 жыл бұрын
I have an rx580 and a ryzen 7 gen 3 Cpu that the final level on winter's fury went to like 30 or less fps, causing me to lower my resolution.
@mr.m2675
11 ай бұрын
maybe you forgot that single core performance is important, and not what modern marketing says about more cores is better fps on everything?
@handlessuck589
2 жыл бұрын
*laughs in gmod*
@erykzysk3330
2 жыл бұрын
Can get 200-250 FPS on Half Life 2, get 30-45 on Gmod whenever *anything* happens
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
@Eryk Zysk I get like 2 crashes in a row + corrupted sounds when ANYTHING on sever happens
@erykzysk3330
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quiver333_real LMFAO, Gmod moment
@xevenxaver4759
Жыл бұрын
@@erykzysk3330 >800 subscribed addons moment
@EpicTyphlosionTV
Жыл бұрын
I remember actually testing this to see what people said was right. The first PC I used had a 1st gen i5 with a 1050, and it got nearly 1000 fps on entryway. The second had a 9th gen i7 with a 2060, and it got around 800. Both were tested with the Vulkan backend and at 640x480 in fullscreen. I don't care what the developers say about optimization, any program shouldn't run slower on newer hardware.
@go4our
3 жыл бұрын
finally it's best content on doom community in common
@reg4me716
3 жыл бұрын
+
@opshredderytp
2 жыл бұрын
As a GZDoom user I can confirm this
@Nikko2I
2 жыл бұрын
*"Can it run GZDoom?"*
@mrdreamy1747
Жыл бұрын
"No."
@disturbly
3 жыл бұрын
*Graf Zahl lags your path* "Heh, nothing personnel kid."
@TsukiZer0
Жыл бұрын
Legends says he lags so hard that Zandronum kicks him out for "Ping TImeout (180 Seconds)"
@duagrentia
Жыл бұрын
Using the latest hardware to run a 30-year old game engine with a decent frame rate is downright frustrating and head-scratching. I'm glad that more people are aware of this. And don't get me started about the Doom forum drama queens and their new GZDoom versions using new syntax codes that limits custom content when using it with old Doom wads (the "A_FireMissile" function now replaces the "A_FireProjectile" code that makes it unfriendly for custom projectile coding). This is why up to now, I still only use LZDoom and I think I will switch to Zandronum in the future if I feel like it.
@Slavka_Pmckashka
Жыл бұрын
Lol, launched a modification with a lot of shit while not being optimized and still accuses that it's to blame GZdoom
@augustleded
7 ай бұрын
i did find it really weird how simple lighting mods didn't work super well on gzdoom. like dude, it's doom, it barely changed anythig
@theraymunator
3 жыл бұрын
Never forget the time I tried to play splitscreen with my friend Steve on GZDoom using a couple of cvars and then my computer fans turned on after like 15 minutes. someone help me setup doom legacy i beg of you
@mr.m2675
11 ай бұрын
get a cpu with a high single core performance, search for something under 8 core cpu's
@theraymunator
11 ай бұрын
@@mr.m2675 Thanks dude. I actually managed to snag a PC with a quad core and now it runs wonderfully. Graf Zahl should still focus on optimizing the game. I know GZDoom is known for fancy graphics but it's a bit shameful that something like that can sometimes not run very smoothly because of poor optimization.
@eightcoins4401
4 ай бұрын
@@theraymunator "Known for fancy graphics"? by default its *stretched* to 16:9 and has texture filtering that makes everything look like mush. I was shocked how good Doom actually still looked when I played it in a real source port like prboom+
@theraymunator
4 ай бұрын
@@eightcoins4401 True, but people make really nice looking stuff with GZDoom mods, like that Castlevania TC.
@taeliantalittia612
2 жыл бұрын
Tried gzdoom 4.6 non-vulkan version on my pentium T4400. OpenGL mode doesn't run good, at most 10 fps. 640x480 in software mode yields 35 fps straight, but struggles with lightings and particles. Lzdoom on the other hand... It's like day and night. Fullscreen 1366x768 in OpenGL 1.1 at 60fps and runs brutal doom with minimal gore and decals.
@idogaming3532
2 жыл бұрын
Try the latest GZDoom with OpenGLES. It should fly, but you can't use the software renderer. Advantage: latest GZDoom features. Btw LZDoom is unmaintained unless a critical bug appears.
@KingLich451
8 ай бұрын
@@idogaming3532unmaintained but still performs better.
@DeepCurve300
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the Doom community can really suck. That's why I just play and never reveal how I play to people. The elite crowd can leave a bad taste in the mouth.
@underplague6344
2 жыл бұрын
"Use GZDoom like a normal human being " - Decino =-2021
@K-kof2000
2 жыл бұрын
Bruh, you are strangely dramatic.
@KwadDamyj
2 жыл бұрын
I worked on a mod team for a long while. I still fondly remember the great job we did, but afterwards I realized how sketchy some of the people on the team were, and they were people I actually got along with in the community! Between that and the Blade of Agony shitstorm, I quit. I don't know if it was always like this and it just never surfaced, or if once-decent people lost their marbles.
@xevenxaver4759
Жыл бұрын
@@KwadDamyj Mod team as in "moderation team" or as in "modding team"?
@bleach186
Жыл бұрын
All gaming communities are full of scum nerds man. I never go near them.
@future8772
Жыл бұрын
Still relevant
@guest6777
2 жыл бұрын
lol, i have been banned on forum ZDoom because i exposed this engine because of lags
@gaminggamingtm
2 жыл бұрын
Banned for telling the truth
@Bridgeburner56
3 жыл бұрын
*laughs in 130,000 linedef gzdoom slaughter map*
@bl1tz533
2 жыл бұрын
PrBoom+ chads report in
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
DSDA Doom, Woof, PrBoom+UMAPINFO, Eternity Engine chads bust into the door
@seawarshark6674
2 жыл бұрын
Where is my crispy bros!?
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
Jval's source ports gang reports
@xX_Lol6_Xx
2 жыл бұрын
Hi :)
@KwadDamyj
2 жыл бұрын
DOOM RETRO chad here!
@SneakyGreninja
Ай бұрын
le no chicken strikes again
@johncaulfield8935
11 ай бұрын
Too bad it’s the only source port that can support mods
@jessemarkham6887
7 ай бұрын
no its fucking not
@tammid8423
7 ай бұрын
@@jessemarkham6887RECENT mods
@AJIsUnbreakable
2 жыл бұрын
that's why i use LZDoom.
@iennefaLsh
2 жыл бұрын
wzdoom
@Metal_Slug_Lover
Жыл бұрын
Me too
@garufis_dx
2 жыл бұрын
**OpenGL ES breaks out the chuckles!**
@coldnessinmyheart.
2 жыл бұрын
GzDoom is very poorly optimized but it's the modders fault ... Now I understand why Everyone prefers Zandronum or LZDoom.
@doel9289
Жыл бұрын
GZDoom, horrible backwards compatibility, doesn't properly emulate complevels 2, 3 and 9 (even under "strict"), very poor multiplayer performance, and recording demos is out of the question Only good for heavy mods and total conversions but even then complevel 21 is catching up DSDA-Doom is the new king on the block. if it ever gets multiplayer C/S asynchronous for casual play and synchronous for demo recording, it'd be the perfect source port
@kellymountain
5 ай бұрын
woof has multiplayer with crispy doom and chocolate doom. it also supports dsdhacked and mbf21
@Quiver333_real
2 ай бұрын
There's also Odamex, whoch is perfect for client-server vanilla multiplayer
@MARK-fz5ui
10 ай бұрын
To this day I'm still getting 20 fps. 💀
@samsum4525
3 жыл бұрын
Why hasnt this gone viral in the doom community yet
@bepisman6268
Жыл бұрын
Why do I need OpenGL 3.3 just to play a 30 year old game lol Thankfully LZDoom exists
@Metal_Slug_Lover
Жыл бұрын
That’s why my project brutality dosent work on gzdoom
@blueslight2848
2 жыл бұрын
that explains why my pc ran horribly, I have a potato pc and believe me it suffers with gzoom, I used gzdoom because it was what I used since I started playing doom, recently I switched to prboom Plus and it's another world
@KlazGuy
2 жыл бұрын
You could use Zandronum, too. Pretty much the middle-term of ZDoom and GZDoom with much (ironically) higher performance.
@darkzeroprojects4245
2 жыл бұрын
I like the Versatile and uniqe modding features of GZDoom and Eduke32... But tbh I rather have made or someone make a Custom engine thats similar but ya know... Able to handle such high modd shit?
@ribba23
Жыл бұрын
Sorta like what Bethesda did with the unity ports? I know some people didn't like that but I think it's a smart idea to keep the game more compatible with modern technology
@darkzeroprojects4245
11 ай бұрын
@@ribba23 Not exactly that imo.
@HotWario4Life
2 жыл бұрын
I tried running Reelism 2 and it works really well but on really big open maps where a bunch of enemies are constantly spawning the game slows down a lot. I'm glad to know that it's not like PC acting weird or something. I also recommend playing the Reelism 2 mod its a lot of fun.
@KlazGuy
Жыл бұрын
The only map i can actually fucking play are Waterloo Waterpark, that port of the MK64 Battle Course, and and literally the simplest map in the mod.
@vaiyt
11 ай бұрын
Oh god, I'm glad somebody else has the same problem. Reelism 2 runs like absolute dogshit in my computer.
@Wicked_Fox
Жыл бұрын
GZDOOM also doesn't save your settings that well or have settings that were off turn back on automatically
@JosephJoestar-xu8fz
Жыл бұрын
Yeah like every time I have to change the resolution to 1080p because GzDoom's newest update makes it 320 × 200 for some reason
@Ren-bo7bj
2 жыл бұрын
Well built and stable? Well... kinda, yah. Optimized? Hell no.
@idogaming3532
2 жыл бұрын
It is optimized, it runs on my craptop decently. Check my comment for my specs.
@lilit905
Жыл бұрын
certified GZDoom moment
@MulekeTrairao
2 жыл бұрын
I love GZDoom, but I also love this video, lol.
@The_Red_Zealot
Жыл бұрын
Switching from OpenGL to Vulkan solved all my problems
@madkvideo
4 ай бұрын
Same here
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
Жыл бұрын
Tbh, I only downloaded that shit so I could play Doom. Though I was very very briefly considering trying my hand at making a mod for this, but this is making me reconsider. :/ Call it luck, since the thought has only lasted 10 minutes until I saw this video. :D
@TDRR_Gamez
2 жыл бұрын
I can watch this video a hundred times and still laugh like the first time lol
@Protog3n_pd2
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the only balanced gzdoom version is 3.8.2 Still use it
@frog-girl-68000
2 жыл бұрын
getting anything less than 35fps on e4m1 on any computer built after 1998 should be a crime
@samsum4525
3 жыл бұрын
Zandronum FTW
@sovereignone1900
2 жыл бұрын
Just on a surface level, is there sth Zandronum can't do that GZDoom can?
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
@@sovereignone1900 multiplayer
@xX_Lol6_Xx
2 жыл бұрын
@@sovereignone1900 ZScript
@JoesGuy
7 ай бұрын
Pushing the boundaries..... of making basic Doom modding require Nasa super computers. Hell, even vanilla Doom can handle the Nuts mod better than GzDoom.
@vibemasterkorosu2469
6 ай бұрын
Because... it uses modern features, unlke V.Doom? Hello?
@JoesGuy
6 ай бұрын
@@vibemasterkorosu2469 Wow! Modern features like basic lighting and AI overhauls that run like shit with pixel graphics. Neato.
@vibemasterkorosu2469
6 ай бұрын
I'm not claiming that GZoom is the most optimized thing ever. But if you would just go download the latest build and not go playing something as crazy as NUTS, you won't encounter lag.@@JoesGuy
@JoesGuy
6 ай бұрын
@@vibemasterkorosu2469 Way to completely miss the point, genius. Bravo!
@vibemasterkorosu2469
6 ай бұрын
@@JoesGuy Instead of trying to seem superior, how about you show actual proof?
@hirunabi6421
Жыл бұрын
tfw it's "optimized to play doom" and it has really bad frame drops/crashes on monster-heavy maps even in vanilla
@reddy64
Ай бұрын
i think my machine can run gzdoom well enoigh
@rokim2194
5 ай бұрын
Say fellas, what y'all think of VKDook as an alternative to GZDoom's godawful performance? I had good luck with it so far, but I dunno about GZDoom mods compatibility.
@Quiver333_real
2 ай бұрын
Brutal Doom V22 Beta 3.7 runs so far, so I guess that says something
@user-ix3ne4bn6g
Жыл бұрын
Gzdoom is like crisis, doesn't even care about multi threading
@rockid7970
5 ай бұрын
Running Psychophobia with GZDoom makes many parts of the episode 2 unplayable
@alby1529
3 жыл бұрын
gzdoom runs fine on my shitty laptop
@Jadg.pz.kpfw.CC64-2M-Jumbo
Жыл бұрын
MFW Freedoom app has no Zscript: :-(
@ultracosm1370
Жыл бұрын
"gzdoom isn't a real doom because can't be running in everything 🤓'' Mmm actually is true...
@hooligan410
3 жыл бұрын
Real.
@neobranco1
3 жыл бұрын
what edit: after years of confusion i finnaly got the joke
@jareds9863
2 жыл бұрын
I have a way shitter setup than that and I can still get a relatively consistent frame rate of 59-60. Cut back on some of the graphical settings and cut fov to 88-92. I dig pixel artwork so I always keep textures unfiltered. Looks better a lot of the time though with some games I'll keep it on a little bit. I can even have dynamic lighting but on a very low setting
@jareds9863
2 жыл бұрын
My rig can't go any higher or I would. But for smooth play this is what I gotta do. A lot of these retro shooters have the goal of being able to be played on weak setups if needed. I think that's super cool but definitely will upgrade at some point. Cheers
@totallynoteverything1.
2 жыл бұрын
I only play it with the voxel mod and black gloves cause the original look of the gloves makes it look like Doomguy has weird skin creases on his wrist
@totallynoteverything1.
Жыл бұрын
aaaaand now it freezes when loading in OpenGL/OpenGLES and Vulkan, forcing me to use softpoly, putting my resolution to the 2 lowest settings fuck you Graf
@sireffortlessgarbage7922
2 жыл бұрын
My mac running gzdoom “Shows doomguy”
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
I tried Blade of Agony and fps basically shits itself down to teens on the second mission... What can I say except GZDoom Moment
@TsukiZer0
2 жыл бұрын
Abysm 2 - Infernal Contract: Facing the town: 30 FPS Facing the ocean: 60 FPS GZDoom really makes no FUCKING sense.
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
@@TsukiZer0 I guess the only solution to this for now is OpenGL ES rendering
@clarkwolfang9779
2 жыл бұрын
•map has one mirror texture and I am facing at it• Framerate: Adios
@Razumen
2 жыл бұрын
@@TsukiZer0 It doesn't make that facing an area with more detail will cause more lag? What?
@TsukiZer0
2 жыл бұрын
@@Razumen Since the town has a LOT of 3D floors, GZDoom shits itself.
@pajamas720
2 жыл бұрын
As a person who runs gzdoom on a gpd win max (low per core speed and integrated graphics), multicore support would help, especially with making it crash less.
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine
2 жыл бұрын
Sure, *just* rewrite an entire single threaded engine to multithreading, hope you're ok with rewriting compatibility for 20+ (actually almost 30) years of content which everyone expects to be able to run problem free.
@pajamas720
2 жыл бұрын
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine uhh lilith would like a word with you. Theres also mods like exp doom that just dont support the latest gzdoom anymore. Also also i dont think dividing instructions onto different cores actually changes compatability, you arent rewriting the sourceport from scratch or removing script functions. But what do i know.
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine
2 жыл бұрын
@@pajamas720 Wasn't Lilith made to intentionally exploit an old bug which the author discovered? That's quite an edge case.
@pajamas720
2 жыл бұрын
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine you mean theyre both edge cases. Exp doom uses consoles functions that are no longer supported either. In either case it shoes gzdoom isnt highly concerned for compatability with every mod.
@luisuacmarine5991
Жыл бұрын
i remenber this one time i was trying to develop a mod and when i tried to use a mp3 sound file for one of the weapons sounds suddenly the game got slow as hell
@burpo9
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure MP3s are a universally slow format for sound effects in games. Part of the reason why so many AAA games are huge is because OGGs and WAVs are still being used.
@agrubohub4009
2 жыл бұрын
Graf almost stopped the development of this source port because of a wad that exploited its glitches. What a spineless idiot. With 90% of the mods being all centered around this port these days you would think it might have some better devs open to criticism,right?RIGHT? Now it's true Brutal Doom is poorly optimized but I played mods that had some addons like gore and whenever I got close to it the framerate decided to go to hell.
@Quiver333_real
2 жыл бұрын
As far as I know Graf is in his mid 40s, so that's actually kinda shocking that Lilith.pk3 made him go off the rail so hard
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